tv Up Front Al Jazeera October 21, 2022 10:30pm-11:01pm AST
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opposition parties called a coup, but later accepted him as interim leader marmott debbie promised an 18 month transition to elections wrought over 1st. he announced the vote would be pushed back by 2 years, angering the opposition and many others. our teenage chest grandmaster hans neiman is suing rival magnus colson for liable or the cheating allegations. human is seeking at least a $100000000.00 in damages from the wild champion and online platform chest dot com calls and considered the greatest player of all time lost to niemen in september and then accused him of cheating. niemen says carlson's had it that he's launched a smear campaign against him and is trying to get him blacklisted. ah,
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now a quick look at the main stories of following italy's far right leader church and maloney's officially been named the country's new prime minister. and the 1st woman to hold this roll, she was asked by the present surge. rome are to relative form the next government. despite tensions in her right wing coalition, malone is conservative, block one, the parliamentary majority and elections last month and will be italy's 1st far right lead government. since the end of the 2nd world war law delegates finagle ortho. the delegation led by heads of groups and presidents of all the political forces of the center road coalition, met with president mother ella, and agreed on the need to give this nation a new government in the shortest possible time. because the urgency is we, these are many, nationally and internationally. here you case, former leader boris johnson is setting the stage for a political come back as the ruling conservative party prepares to elect a replacement for prime minister less trust. so far former defense secretary penny mordant, is the only one to formally announce
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a candidacy. a former finance minister rashid soon arc is also thought to be in the running. whoever wins will be the case, 3rd prime minister, in less than 2 months. your queen in russia, accusing each other of planning to blow up a dam as forces from both sides prepare for its turning out to be one of the most crucial battles of the war. ukrainian president laudermill zalinski says that russian forces have planted explosives in the novak a hot cut down in harrison wanting that its destruction would be catastrophic, but a russian installed official and harrison is also accused ukraine of striking the down with missiles neither side is provided evidence for their claims and the congressional committee investigating last year's attack on the u. s. capital, as formerly issued a subpoena to donald trump and as demanded, he testified by november 14th. the january 6th panel says the former u. s. president was the central cause of efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. so also as trump for several documents,
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including communications with members of congress and far right groups. so those are the headlines this our up front is the program coming up next? taking a closer look at the american legal system. i'll be back with more news after that . ah, the u. s. state of oklahoma is set to execute 24 people by december 2024. that's nearly one person a month. for the next 2 years. this we got up front. we take a closer look at the criminal legal structure in the us. we ask why the death penalty is still legal and explore the flaws in the system that lead to thousands
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of wrongful convictions. who, with 2400 people on death row and executions up in the last year. the debate on whether the death penalty should still exist in the united states in the 21st century is back in the spotlight. supporters of the death penalty argue that it is the only way to deliver justice against those who commit the most heinous crimes and can be carried out in a humane way. opponents say that it is unfairly applied and that it cannot be carried out without violating the constitution's ban on cool and unusual punishment . so can the death penalty ever be justified? and is there really a way to execute someone in a humane way? joining us to discuss this is sister helen, pre john anti death penalty activist catholic nun and spiritual advisor to those on death row. she is the author of the books, dead man walking the death of innocence and river of fire. sister helen,
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thank you so much for joining us on up front. 11 people have been executed in the united states so far in the year 2022 this year with at least another 8 scheduled to die before the end of the year. you spent more than 3 decades counseling, people sentenced to die. you've accompany people to their executions and your view, what determines who was put to death by our criminal legal system. when you look at and look at the deaths in 2021, it's solely up to a prosecutor to an attorney general or even to the president in the united states. that's what basically fundamentally broken in the way the supreme court set up the death penalty in the greg decision in 1976. they said we're going to set the criteria to kill people that the government can take their lives. that it's the worst of the worst murder, which has been impossible to know, who knows the difference between a quote,
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ordinary murder and the worst of the worst. and it was coupled with complete discretionary power to prosecutors to see death from square one. so when any crime is committed, when any murder a prosecutor is never hash to seek death and then along the way during the appeals, it is up to them to see it through and to see that the person dies. it's a fundamental flaw in the way the supreme court said the death penalty and that when we look now, most of the united states has shut down the death penalty bound state, louisiana. that in the eighty's killed 8 people in 8 and a half weeks had had an execution in 20 years. we're shutting it down, but there are pockets. yeah. where we see killings like in texas because the discretions up to the prosecutor. and then when you, when you look in those states where this louisiana, texas, mississippi, alabama,
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it's not just the state, it's who in those states is being executed. it's whose death is being a green lit up through the discretion of the prosecutors. i'm thinking specifically about poor people, things specifically about black and brown population. this isn't a universal death felony crisis. seems to be one of particular populations. why? i mean, the legacy of slavery is with us. it's written in every institution. we have more, but definitely in the criminal justice system. and when you look at the over 1500 people have been executed in this country, 8 out of every 10 of them were killed because of the killing of a white person. a victim has to have some status in society and it plays out and race big time, and black on black murder, hard to gives a blip on the, on the prosecutor's radar strain. because race matters who you care about and whose death you care about matters in this country,
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most people will never actually witness an execution in their own life with their own eyes. executions are carried out quietly. there's little information about the process itself that is made public. some states limit the number of witnesses that can be present at executions. and even they are typically shielded from a large part of the lethal injection process with an actual curtain that they put up to prevent people from seeing it. but what can you current you've been there? what can you tell us about what is like a company, someone to their death torture in the united nations convention against torture is defined as a mental or physical assault on someone rendered defenseless. and that's a really big thing about when you're going to be executed. that you're rendered completely defenseless. and imagine these are human beings, imaginative, conscious. human beings, when you have consciousness and imagination,
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you anticipate dying, you die in your dreams and nightmares a 1000 times before you drive because you anticipate it. there is no way the killing of conscious imaginative human beings can ever be humane. yes, i've been there. i've been there with 6 human beings have been killed, about 3 electrocuted 3 lethal injection. lethal injection is every bit as terrible as electrocution because they're the supreme court allowing states to experiment with ways to kill people. oklahoma right now with the people they are blind up, one is richard glosson. he said 3 last meals and almost killed 3 times, snatched away from debt. that too is torture. there is no way you can say you're doing this humanely. my big thing and being with human beings who were killed in front of my eyes, was to tell them, look at my face. you have a dignity,
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no one can take from you. i will be the face of dignity and love for you. look at me. when they do this, but mark, it's such a helpless feeling. there's nothing you could do. so that's why i'm a voice out there. yeah. and it appears that part of why so much of this is shrouded in mystery, is so that people can't see the brutality of it. they can't see the torture because they are proposed to the definitely who would say, well, the reason is not torture is because this can be carried out humanely. they say that a person being executed does not need to endure needless pain and suffering while being killed. now again, you've been an execution witness for 3 decades. you are very familiar, intimately familiar with the u. s. as execution process. is there a humane way to execute somebody? absolutely not. it's always going to be torture. and i gotta tell you more. this was the talking point i had in my dialogue with the catholic church,
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specifically with pope john paul, the 2nd who came before frank pope francis. then i took him there. i said when i'm walking with amanda execution, any shackled hand and foot surrounded by 6 guards, who can walk 30 steps, be strapped down to be killed. and he whispers to me, please pray god, hold my legs. where is there any in viable dignity to the human person being rendered defenseless and kill? it was a telling point i was part of a discussion on one the only one that influence the catholic church. but when pope francis and 2018 changed the teaching of the church about the death penalty, it was precisely the point of the vital, the dignity of all life, even those guilty of crimes. and we can never entrust over the governments that right to think they have the wisdom to be able to decide who should dot, which now aligns the catholic church. right with the united nations universal
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declaration of human rights. article 3, d. an alien bull. right to life of every human person because they are a human person, you can never take their life for me. that is political rhetoric spinning that or yeah, it's the only just punishment. look at with the victims of saw that completed a pack or see about victims. they're going to wait 17 years on average to watch a person be killed the eyes and that supposed to bring him peace. that's political rhetoric. that's not to reality. 19 out of $27.00 death penalties, faith, have secrecy, statutes on the books, and many concealed the sources of their lethal injection drugs. most states prevent witnesses from viewing at least some part of the execution. how is the secrecy legal? how can you have an accountability? it can you have any accountability?
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in fact, if everything is so opaque, that is by design that id secret. they are bend at least to court cases, tried to make executions, public, and they have all been defeated. the, the basic secrecy is it's done behind prison walls with only a few witnesses. they keep the curtain drawn like poor, don't be jealous. williams, he had an i q a 653 years after he was executed, the supreme court decided in atkins. you can't kill mentally cow, and people yell fine. it came too late for adobe, but they couldn't find a vein he was scared of needles. i couldn't be with him. i was on the other side of that curtain and he was taking too long to keep waiting, waiting. they tried to find it in one arm. okay. they got they even have it that you're going to have and to science cuz they don't want to glitch. they couldn't find it in the 2nd arm, they tried his leg, then they finally put the needle in his neck. and finally then,
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and it took about what 2530 minutes poor don't be there on the table waiting to be killed. so we got to bring it close to the people, we have to bring it to the p. and that's what my next workers can be about. how we the people are shutting down the deaf education, education, education, let the witnesses been there, get out there. but during the 2020 election, president biden promised that if elected, he would work to pass legislation to eliminate the death penalty at the federal level and incentivized states to follow the federal government. example. amnesty international points out that other than a moratorium of federal executions his administration has then very little to make good on this pledge. given that most executions a carried out in republican states and that any significant public policy changes would need to happen through passage from congress. what concrete steps should
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biden take to have some progress on its own? these promises? let's come back some slack because he's handling a lot of things. he absolutely, i believe is going to save life. do you know this was the 1st presidential election we've ever had where a president came out against the death penalty, even though mama didn't come out again to death. and he said there are some cases which are so terrible that you have to allow for the definitely want to allow that your laundry everything. and so he's got to take it step by step. i believe it's going to do the right thing. but he's got to do it with their 2 actions. got to happen, federal level, and the state level. we got to work at the state level with the people. but i do believe that the president that in the end will do the right thing and the right thing would be before he leaves office to commute all the senses on death row, that people will not be able to be put to death. well,
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we will certainly see if that happens style and thank you so much for joining us. thank you. great jim. from the death penalty, we turn now to another issue affecting our legal system. false convictions, back conversation coming up next on upfront. ah, innocent until proven guilty. it's a fundamental tenant of the u. s. judicial system and it's the backbone of the criminal process. however, at least 5 percent of the car, so population is wrongfully convicted. that means that about one in every 20 judgment puts an innocent person behind bars. more often than not, it's a person of color. there is now some recourse within the system, but exonerations are lengthy, complicated, and legal resources are not easily accessible. so what does this say about the u. s . criminal justice system? joining us to discuss is advocate and author anthony hinton. anthony was released in 2015 after spending 28 years on death row. falsely convicted for robbery and
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double murder in 1985. he's now community educator at the equal justice initiative . anthony, thank you so much for joining us on up front. you were wrongly convicted for to capital murders in birmingham, alabama. almost 4 decades ago. police falsely identified you. they then searched your mother's house. they found your mother's revolver and linked you to the killings without any other physical evidence. as a result, you spent nearly 30 years in prison talk to me about the, the specific factors that you would say influence your arrest and your conviction. well, let me 1st say thank you for having me. but all the toners often did not fan are gone and my mother house, i am the one who told them that my mother only smith weston handler. and i told him, because i knew that i hadn't committed the crown and now was brought up to always tell the truth. and then they are told the truth in little did i know that they
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would get to go tell a lie like the gone match. and it would cost me almost my life in this system is a system. they treat you better if you're rich and go take a poll to report them. so adam, have the mind to hi, decent defense. and therefore, the system, if you don't have the money, cannot convince you. but he can come pick 2 more easily. if you're born black in paw and when you have to rely on a state appointed turner, which i had to rely on. and so conviction was very easy for them to obtain incentives me to bear knowing that i was in the suit, they didn't make an honest mistake. they did it on purpose. this system is work in exactly the way it was designed to work. and it was designed to put me in the car
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behind the prison wall for many people. they can wrap their minds around a mistake. they can even wrap their minds around police, believing that you're guilty and being a little overzealous in closing the case because they noted got the right guy. but in your case, you're saying they just made the stuff up, they lied and it's not just your case. we hear about false confessions, ah, we hear about government misconduct planted evidence, this kinds of stuff all the time. it's hard for many americans, though many people around the world to wrap their mind around the idea that these things are happening wilfully, that these aren't just hard working. police officers who sometimes make a mistake or, you know, i can tell people that are coming to town. this is happened noonish from the 1800 to the 19 log back in 18. 1900. a white woman could say a black man all. ready long he was charge. what a crown?
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no. the dish. aw milam was lynch no elegance. and so we still have this modern day linton. we just have a different tool. we're starting to see the reports coming out as people look into these exonerating cases. and we find the kind of flaws you're talking about. now on a positive note, is that we're seeing more and more exonerations in recent years. ah, are we had it in the right direction? we shouldn't, we have to get to that point all briana zone rated. i've been exonerated in heaven not being offered or given. one painting have not even been offered an apology. all when i try and filed for compensation for 30 years of my life until that says, i was not found guilty about jewelry. i am not eligible to receive minute thing. so once the charges are dropped and it's been realised that effectively that you spent
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28 years in prison for something you didn't do and that the case against you was manufactured. what does the state say to you? do you do? he said they didn't apologize. did they say anything? they haven't said anything from? i'm will be honest with, you know, be only with i didn't hear him say these words when i was told, tell them going to be glad that we just didn't execute in there to handle that. just be glad we didn't execute him in him being the in word they use a legit allegedly that that is a a that that's a, that, that's an incredibly i mean i don't even know to say it's, it's overwhelming and that's the end of the journey. i want you to take me step back, they'll talk to me about the fight to, to get the conviction overturned. all it took brash themes in the it would just finished it 16 years to finally get a court united states supreme court to rule america. great. well, they granted me
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a new trial and goes back to birmingham, the state of alabama cosy and is a young or it is with great sadness that we inform you that we lost going on. and so while we thought man was looking for the going in the bullets which they trained, man, all, all they had actually old expert to come in and re examine the bullets and the gloom. the same man, the sand and mack started years ago. 30 years later, say the gone, do not match to wait the in the force. well, as you mentioned, you didn't receive any money. you didn't receive any reparations after your conviction was overturned by the supreme court. despite the fact that in alabama state senate up proposal, i was supposed to give you $1500000.00 of compensation for wrongful conviction as possible. but it's,
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it's night uniform. it varies from state to state. not to mention the process can be fraught with complications. as exonerates trying to access the, the money that they're do. how is it that somebody can be falsely convicted? it's been decades imprisoned and still has to go through so many hurdles just to get restitution. oh, easy. i will do to re live in the state of alabama and be black. that's easy to do now. you know, i saw quote for 30 years of being in solitary confinement. all i will know will look at you this camera and say that i'm 3. i'm just release ashley and go through all the all feelings in motion. oh really. and there's another execution i haven't been offered to see a psychiatrist psychology all day. just open the door and say, hey, all, try the liam the best life you can. but we mackerel helped you one way or another.
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i've sit on death row 28 years at witness scripted for me being executed. i have to remind myself that i was so close to the, i mean it is a trauma to, to what you're describing. so that it would sound like you need therapy, you need some kind of response to post traumatic stress from being in, in that kind of, in the kind of that kind of context for so long. so no, so when i think about bet and 1500000 and i'm, i'm sticking there just for a 2nd because i want to go to understand what you need there for. this isn't like you're trying to make a pay this. am i getting a lot of re last 30 years? what? what does that money necessary for it that morning necessary for me to get out and sign a decent doctor there can treat me and perhaps help me or if i need to be for i don't have all money tied up in his so security i was didn't put anything
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in his so security for 30 year or so there for why haven't that been coming out all i needed all to live on because who had some one they've been on there for for 30 years. have no computer experience. tale, nothing. and most people, there's afraid of you because you've been locked up, lack of a caged animal. this system is, was design associated to put manns of call. and we will help people to believe that we dealing with mass incarceration. we not dealing with national concentration. we are dealing with a new formal slate. there was a study by the american psychological association this year and found the 80 percent of exonerated people experienced at least one serious traumatic event. while incarcerated in more than half of their group showed significant signs of p. t. s d, what should people know about the trauma that's experienced by people who are
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wrongly convicted, imprison a people, sit no there when we could innocent means when women are special and therefore all at trauma is there. well, because we don't have the money to go out in the c k, qualify at all psychiatric onto training least kiddos back on the right role at some point it goal hits you and you will all just cry like a baby. little scream, michael, are so long. as chasing you, and so no one knows when i go to return, there's an execution in the state while about. all i knew exactly wouldn't it in made is going to rational exactly what has taken place because i was there for 30 years on this is something you can't turn off and turn all i do. we do this best and i can and i will more than in the same if the state of alabama gave me a 1000000 and a half dollars, it would come close to trying to make me whole. oh,
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it is just a shame that we have a balcony in this country and means women goals to death, row and stay for decade and allow a stay sag. you're free to go in there, see it. they all, you know, reparation. they owe you nothing. and they act as doting, giving you something, and they act is. so we doing your fable. we didn't execute that. you should be thankful that she should go home and be quiet. and yes, do i think that at any time they can knock on the door and say, i did something else they needed one time out of me. and so all of that play was, in my mind, even there, every day, all of these plays in you psychologically called uh, would they be it to you before? and so people see me, they see a hampton looking man, but they don't see this goss in a mil to the all they did is in south me,
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