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compared to covering the event in a place idaho. ah, hi, as for me, okay, and your watching the stream will the parthenon, marbles ever return to greece. this is a question has been going on for a very long time. the original sculptures are removed from athens in the early 19th century by lord elkin, the british ambassador to the ottoman empire, greece once her national treasures back house in the british museum in london. as you can see here, what will it take for the pos and marbles to go? how you can join this discussion. it's been going on 4 o 200 years. at least you can jump on here into the comment section. be part of today. chef is a student classics in the $970.00 s. i believe that there were good reasons for

keeping reports and sculptures in england. first, they were integral li, acquired part of the british museums collection. certainly there was a for a traffic accident. apparently returning them has a terrible precedent for it. so i'm over right now, i'm a classics professor. i know that all humans are invalid. are very few objects of such iconic status. if they do, they to should be return. the times i do for the position is integrated on display of the partner, freeze on color and to read a whole marbles to the new methods. so they're not passing and sculptures in the british museum. janice tristan alleys don't get to have a fairly hey on the show you on this please sally to audience around the world. tell them who you are. what? 80? hello for me. hello everyone. my name is young. you sandwich so close. i think that you didn't want to pronounce my name because he's now yes, yes,

i don't. i had with i with you because of this discussion. so i'm the long in correspondence for a quick daily newspaper called danielle has been based in london for almost 7 years . and as you can imagine, i've been covering the bottom of mozilla. oh my goodness. of course i can imagine totally tristram. so nice to have you, please introduce yourself to our audience around the world. tell them who you are, what you do briskly. hello phoebe, i'm lovely to be here with you. i'm tristram, best of and i'm a retired u. k. museum director who is guilty guilty of returning material in our collections to the source community. and i'm, i now a freelance advisor and the help of the museums to do the same such a troublemaker tristan gets a hat here. hello, welcome to the show. please tell our audience here you are 180 briefly. hello everyone. it's likely to be here. my name is that the silence,

and i'm the vice president of the australian parking on committee and co founder of the acropolis research group. and we have been that, well, many in that committee have been active on the campaign for 20 to 25 years. i've been in the campaign for 10 years, and i'm just very passionate about the issue. so we also push museum to be part of this conversation and as they typically think they sent a statement rather than a past said, this is what they said to us. we will loan the sculptures as we do many other objects to those who wish to display them to the public around the world. presently they will look after them and return them any. if you'd like me to comment on that, please take the filter. well, what they failed to say in that sentence is that they require

anyone loaning to sign a waiver, an ownership waiver, which of course the hellenic government is well unable to do that. it's just not possible for them to sign an ownership waiver. so that's why it's not possible for them to be lunch to grace given and they had a lunch to come to the home a teach me same in russia. 11 pit pace was several years ago. but yes, it's the ownership waiver, which the hellenic government will not find just of i'm just amazed that we're even having a discussion about this. there is no debate anymore. is that even possible to be neutral on the path and sculptures and where they should truly be housed? well, i'm professionally as well as personally embarrassed that the british museum consistently refuses to enter into up constructive public dialogue. there has

been a sea change in museums right across the u. k. over the last 20 years or so. and the focus has moved away from sort of ownership of stuff to how does, how does the museum and what it holes relate to people to communities, either the communities who live around the museum or the communities from which to the material came. it's all about conversations, it's all about giving people a voice. and i'm, it embarrasses me that the british museum is so far behind the curve in having that kind of constructive dialogue. because having led it myself and manchester, where we had big diaspora communities for all over the world, but particularly from africa, i'm, what happens is when you give them

a voice and empower them in the museum, the museum start stirred sprout wings, and we learn so much more and the people who use the museum here, other voices, it becomes a more vibrant, interesting, and exciting place. everybody wins. so they idea that you've got this museum sitting in the middle of bloomsbury that holes, so much material from all around the world. but we're here specifically talk to talk about the parthenon. sculptures refuses to have that conversation. and i can explain in a moment why that is, is a matter of professional embarrassment. i was just tapping to that wouldn't say what, so, right now, the honest this is tom, tom flinn says no and m, how do you lung stolen goods to thy rightful owner? janet, what's a good point? and that's precisely why the breed government, because consistently of has refused to contemplate along solution with re sworn

some of those bug to be reunited about those with a restful thermometers permanent. you're not alone. and i'm slightly optimistic that we'll, we'll get there in the near future. why are you optimistic? well, i don't know yet received in the british museum stands. what i can see for sure is that sense of language. let me remind everyone of the president itself, the closeness of the british museum jaws. osborne says a couple of months ago that there is a deal to be done. so let's, let's build on that statement and try to reach a deal with the british museum. all right, and what is it like a somebody who's greek, to have your treasures in a british museum? what does that look like? well look, i think come, this is a 2 folk thing. there are a lanes like myself in the great diaspora and also phil helene in so

i don't think i don't think you can differentiate. i think phil helene, feel strongly about this issue as elaine's, but as a helene icons, i can say that it's m as as the famous molina, mccurry said, you know, they are our heart there are. so there our passion, i mean, we're very aware that we have a very long, a long history. they were carved and created here 2 and a half and go in athens and, and we as great, they were very strongly that they should be re, united, not just, not just they, they need to be reunited as, as part of the building. and they can't be on the building, but the next best thing, of course, is the acropolis, miss him to be as one at work. and i think fill her lanes around the world. agreed with that. can you tell people who are not? hennings, what and helene is well as lane, i guess it's someone that identifies the same great as great parents and ancestry,

great parents and grandparents. so calculus museum was built because the british museum said, well, in athens you don't have anyone suitable to put your own treasures in. so then the greeks built this incredibly beautiful museum. and then the visuals in still didn't give the treasures back tristan yet because of a 2 acts were which for both british music and to give away what's in the museum that they probably looted or stole all acquired an unethical ways. tristan, well i, i do want to pay tribute to greece for building such a beautiful museum. it is absolutely stunning. and at the very top floor is like a great big glass case that looks across the valley to the acropolis. and you can

see the parthenon with, as you walk around the, the sculptures, but just to go back to the point that any was making and connected with what are saying about relationships in this dysfunctional relationship between britain and greece, there are 3 players. there's a greek government, there's a british museum, and there is the british government. and the reason that the 2 national governments are so important is that by statute that was passed in 1963, the british museum is not allowed to divest itself of certain thing of anything in the collection unless it meets certain conditions. and that's why we have this merry go round of the british museum saying we can't discuss it because we're forbidden from parting with these,

this material by actor parliament. and the poem and parliament says, we can't discuss it because it's british museum business or you go round and round in a wonderful. i still like that just and surely that's going to be tailored. right. it's not a huge hugo happy. it's a built in an ad st yet could you don't have to return the path. and scott, it's a wall, it's a real, it's a know exactly. and if you, if you look me are the, what, what chris thumbs up describe is, is what we call in greece, a game of ping pong, are doing that with british museum and the british government. because the business unit says that because of the british museum, asked that we cannot give you the mob was back until the other hand, the british government says a bit museum is the owner of the models. don't talk to me, talk to the museum. and while this is technically true for me, now, is it in front of the british government that could introduce the necessary legislation to allow this cultures with then degrees. but the simply the thought

the want to do it, at least, ah, not for that. i'm being, i'm optimistic, these will sans in the future. i have to say for hats and had eyes at the chester as their look. are you guys asked us to mike a 2nd? my head i scat. well, thank you. i just wanted to say that there is good reason for uranus is optimism because there is precedent when the, when parliament sees something that is clearly not right and unjust, it has intervened in the past in 2004. 0, there was an actor, parliament in which museums were added, which allowed them and enable them to give back human tissue human remains, bones, skulls to source communities. because parliament regarded this as completely unjust, that source communities should not be able to reclaim their ancestors. so there's a precedent there that was in 2004 in 2009. and we had

a big scandal about nazi slowly ated, art that was in the british museum and in other museums and again material which had been stolen by the nazis and ended up in our national collections. was the subject to enabling legislation which allowed this to be returned. so that is good precedent for parliament stepping in doing the right thing when the right thing needs to be done. just talking about paul. and i was just curious about how many barish prime minister has said we cannot possibly return. it's interesting that we call them the path and then sculpture rather than the alga mardell law was i think that that shows a little bit of a public opinion change here. but i, i want to go back a few years. i went back to 1990, not having to pay on my laptop 1st and headlines about the path in the sculptures blair blots return of alga marbles. david cameron, jack's call to return,

passing the marbles to greece. we've got one from paris johnson r i p. boys johnson says british museum trustees must decide fate a path then marbles with kicking over to the british museum. and then one more from the very shortly after u. k. prime minister liz ross says she does not support we paint cheating the popular marbles to greet. so prime ministers doesn't really matter who they are or even what party therein. yeah, unless they don't seem to be behind the idea of these path and, and sculptures. going back to athens, are you getting something different from the british public? that yes laws. because because 1st of all, let me remind that run the gap. so you just read from horizontal as a prime minister said that to me in an exclusive interview with the a year ago. but we also reveal the last summer that when boys dawson was an undergraduate in oxford university,

he said exactly the opposite. that the mobs belongs to greece. and actually he provided proof that says that law document had stolen the models. so i think the best make says i'm in his current position, but, but yes, because humans young, the british public, there are a serious there's a series of opinion pause. so the latest one was released a few days ago, but says both overwhelmingly their biggest public supports. busy the unification of the path alarms, there's a broader conversation to be had not just about the performance sculptures or the alga marbles have, you want to call them. but what it really means to have art from another culture and another country shut up in a different museum of the other side of the world. his ga. gov is what she told us a few hours ago in a broader sense, proud of the contribution of the ancient greeks. but most relevant, the marbles are a symbol of the thousands of similar items and museums in the u. k. in germany and

france. items that in many cases were acquired through questionable methods and as to whether they should be returned. it's not a matter of if, but when obviously the british museum is worried about opening the floodgates and they should be items from in egypt, india, nigeria. we should be having conversations about all of the returning all of the ill gotten artifacts to their home countries. what a so thought about are going back to the country of its bus, the country, and the country men and women who created it any wise that a disaster? well, it will, it's not a disaster. i mean, look at it. i suppose it depends on the, on the perspective, if the that you're talking about is, is a little piece of a nation, a couch as history. then of course it's important if it's

a sculpture or a piece of work that he has. the instances is, is quite similar or is part of an assemblage. this is more common than, of course it's wait for that to happen. i mean, that's what purpose of the universe is, am is to, it's been wonderful things from heavier teeth all over the world and they are great repositories. we all love these museums, but there are at least a fax that a unique lack the popular sculptures. and this is the case that we make. they argue, nate, there is nothing else like them. they are not one single piece of work. no, you can't just take a river god from, from the pittman to say it's a statue. it's not a statute. the whole phrase and the whole pedant of the past and the metal piece.

they are one unified monument is way describe it, and they, they are right. joe robinson has called a show real of ancient athens, the mythology, the history of ancient athens. so you cannot take these paces out and assemble them and nor should they be in they, they need to be re unified because quite simply, it is a unique monument. and it is representative of a culture and of a history that goes back such a little way that the people that created it. and it's just really imperative that it comes together as one to christian. i'm just looking at a page on the british museum's web site core contested objects from the collection as just take a look here. it's really interesting the way that the british museum writes about how the prophet m sculptures ended up in the british museum. i think it's an interesting narrative that they chose into to share with the public, but we happening bronze is,

we've got human remains. we have an early show from australia, providence sculptures. is it possible that if the puffing of sculptures go back to athens, that then the pictures and will begin to lose what they value so much richer as well culture, an art that they feel? and they have actually said to us in a statement that they can make those connections between art around the world. and the british museum is the best place to do that. well, this is the universalist argument, and it has been made very strongly by various directors of the british museum. neil mcgregor was a great ambassador for that idea, but it is largely discredited now. and i wanted to come back on ellis point, and just to add to it, i agreed with everything she said, but what makes the parthenon sculptures so unique, is that the building from which they were hacked by, ah, the earl of elgin,

that building still exists. it is there, and that makes them very, very particular that they only comparative item in the british museum collections to that would be they beard of the sphinx got the sphinx estella in, in the desert of egypt. but um, i do want to emphasize the fact that these are a very, very special assemblage of items that as ellie says, they were part and parcel of a building. they were part of the structure of the building. and it's not a coincidence, but in greece, these sculptures are regard, are referred to as blocks because they are relief carvings on the blocks that form the part of the structure. el again, got local stonemasons to saw them off so he could get ship them back to britain.

and so they're called slabs in britain and that's because they've already be mutilated. and so you can see in the air form today that disco disconnection really from that wonderful building, which stands as a monument to classical ideas and principles that echoed down the centuries down the millennia. and it is a national disgrace that even they are arguing about it and give an example of what we some is sank right now. does, does the exam to the think, think of athena, regardless of athena, her head and head neck is in the acropolis museum one here, right breast remains to the british museum. does that make sense to you? no, nobody wants to have just one brass. all right, i came to share it if you will send alicia i had, i came to shy, taught is this

a little bit earlier? i think it really is aimed at the british museum who's not in this conversation, but we mentioned many, many times has happened. listen, this had a luck it's good news that the british museum has fire, willing to talk, but it shouldn't be a negotiation. the idea of alone, however long term it is, is only adding insult to injury. what the british museum and government should do. ready immediately is 1st, for example, sculptures. second apologize for keeping them for so long and 3rd, or with greek scholars on, on some mounting, an exhibition at the british museum that explains how these artifacts were acquired and returned. it's never too late. ready to the colonize the audience, who are watching right now. and where is the british museum in this conversation with talking about them, but they're not here to speak for themselves. i am wondering how long is this the

conversation this persuasion going to go on out one year, 5 years, 20 years, or do you think? well, of course it's actually been going on to 200 years. i mean, kiosa was the 1st that they requested, not long after the 1st great state was formed. but i guess the campaign in the last 3040 years has really been advocating very strongly. but i think the conversation is, danny said that the very beginning i feel, but there is a shift. there is a change. i think this last really has changed. and it just, it's picking up momentum. it's just, it's wrong on so many levels. and of course, one thing we haven't discussed, which i'd like to touch on is the, is the solution. you know, what is the solution? yes, they should just give them back and it should be a political, a political will. it should just be a decision made. but then you know, what can the solution look like there and, and it can, you,

can you the solution in one sentence because we're right at the very end, okay. show like what is what, ok, the solution. wrists are 3 d digital printing of the beautiful set of copies and, and, or a rotation exhibition of the wonderful out which the great government is prepared to give the loan. and as an exhibition, ok, and he's got the solution right here. why we've been discussing this for 200 years . we could have just asked ellen ellie tristram and yon as an all of us who, watching on youtube. i'm watching around them. well, joining us, i see you next time. take a ah .

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