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i as i me okay, welcome to the strain. been yeah, banga y, nina was a celebrated canyon journalist, writer and activist. he died in 2019 age 48, but a new anthology of his work is now out. it was published in september. it is called how to write about africa. this anthology gives us an opportunity here on the stream to talk about been yeah, banga y nina, as celebrated literary and legend. these to tell us in school that when the missionaries came to came, smiling and hugging the bible and died behind them, came the guns and the power soon a sudden sense. i feel like the world of humanitarianism, a made in africa, is designed to keep people passive, dependent, and allow power. here to talk about in your anger, we have melissa at show, and yvonne say good to have all 3 of you with us. melissa. tell me your connection

to been your van. get, hello audience, your connection. introduce yourself to our viewers around the world. thank you. my name is melissa, may, may, i happened to be his youngest sister. oh, he likes to see his baby sister and i'm connecting from kenya. yet to have you actual it's so lovely to have you on the stream always. this is a new role for you, so, so excited to have you reintroduce yourself and tell our audience your connection with the subject of today's episode of history. lovely to see if maybe i'm a brother, i'm in my address in india though i live in bangalore. i'm a writer, so maker and a public health artist and my connection to this is that i edited a collection of essays and sha stories that i was going to talk about boxing because i admired his reading, but mostly because he was a very close friend of mine over the last lot 70 years my life i get to had here and yvonne walk into the street. please introduce yourself to our audience around

the world. tell them your connection to being of anger. why nina? thank you for me. oh, well, i'm yvonne. i be on bull war. i'm a writer. i'm connecting from nairobi, kenya. oh, be a banga, was my friend, my brother, my mental i would not have entered into the world of writing if it had not been for him. i say good to have you. all right, so all of our guests have a story and have stories about you have been of anger. why nina? i'm sure you do to why you like his writing. what would you like to ask about his writing? i do chip comment section. it's open right now, please do use it. be part of today's show. i'm actually going to ask you about the story about the 1st time that being of angers writing got to be known beyond kenya. and that was something to do with a cane africa literary prize. and he had an argument with the people who were

running the prize because he wanted to put in a digital piece. and they told him what the loss actually is exactly what the said. so when yeah, i was in kenya, he had written this wonderful story memoir called discovery home, which was about returning from south africa to kenya after a long period to way he'd already written a little bit by that time and was semi famous, i would say. and he really wanted to enter the came prize. this newly instituted prize for african writing instituted out of oxford university at the time. but he couldn't find it new to publish his writing except for a short lived internet on the magazine called g. 21, which has run out of new orleans by a remarkable african american, colorado. a man who paid every contributor, $100.00, even though he himself was not very rich. he was just interested in literature. so

being of anger published discovery born in g tried to run, or just in time for the game pro submissions sent it in and they immediately wrote back and said, what are you doing? this is a serious price. we only accept cedar citing insidious publications. and so he fired back to them and said, listen, over the last year, there's not been a single ontology of fiction or nonfiction, published on the african continent. where do you expect to get a priest from? cisco state elected the backtracked, he won the pros. i said when of anger, he complain about some young in any that's exactly what he wants it on. go ahead feeling jump in the conversation. no, no, i'm saying that is that he that is vintage being of anger. i sometimes i used to call him diana. she kind of breaks down the imaginary barriers and you know, by is that do exist, but suddenly because he shows up they, they become imaginary. and it is that he's his characteristic. i got to published

a my award winning prize. i won the prize the year after him, simply because he was that event that been around for a for whom there, you know, there are no limitations. so yeah, that is vintage been of anger. when this is what some pictures of family pictures of you and your big brother, i'm gonna stop at one picture at festival because i want to work out which one is you, i think i know. and which one is your big brown. so let's have a look here. what are you wearing, melissa, so reconstruct you. well, i'm the tiny one at the front. oh, good there. and which would have been your banga? been banga is 3rd from right in the obviously next to my mom. he was my boy i, let's look at some more pictures because i'm wondering that often the way that people remember being of anger was the confidence and how creative he was. but as a big brother, what are the qualities that you knew that maybe other people didn't?

yeah, i mean, you know, he was larger than life to be very honest than he was very opinionated, sometimes too opinionated, but it was all in his way of love. that was his love language is love, language was all about living. life being vivid. he's the one who made me go to my fast bar. he made me have my 1st drink. he's the one who dressed me up in healed. hadn't he would let me go on beads and say, you know, my says days kind of hot. so that's typically been vanguard for you. i've got to bring in some guy who we spoke to a few hours ago, and she remembered an extraordinary meeting when you're vanka. this is her story and an actual have a listen to the story. and i want to know the 1st time that you met in your anger, his phone guy festival. i 1st met by the way,

992011 launch of his book in london. and so i kinda wanted to purchase a copy of the book, but once i got to the front of the line, all the copies had sold out. but he still baby to his agent and a copy of the book you merge the final copy of the book you merged and he graciously offered it to me for 3 and autographed it. and i think that's an example to me of what been stood for. and one was an intergenerational kind of conversation, bringing in younger people into conversations about narratives, about african shifting those narrative i took, i had your 1st meeting i work primarily as a public health activist that i am a dormant writer. and at one point many years ago,

i used to be able to do both things at once. and i wrote a series of articles with a friend of mine in johannesburg. and i lived at the time i worked at a trade union on a nightclubs in a, in south african townships. i and i also stripped tubs in inner city. janice bo, on the colleague, i wrote it witless. cameroon, in living in joe berg, who is now a benedictine monk and rome. i'm so sort of unbelievable all around. we didn't think anyone would be interested in the stories and then i got an e mail out of the blue from being a tango i read this and a common friend of us had been trying to connect us. i think he knew. but i think he might have literally been the one person in the world who read the stories of quite obscure. i was thrilled, he had already written how to write about africa at that time. so it was a minor celebrity i was hearing from and i was delighted. i met him for the house and united states and then subsequently in london. and the 1st thing that i, i recognized instantly when i met him, i think is that this is going to be

a dangerous relationship. i will suffer from the lack of sleep. i just, we had so much to say to each other so much to say that i knew unless i, you know, unless ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha to extricate myself from that i might never sleep when i, when i meet him and i would prepare myself actually for days and weeks of sleeplessness, every time i met it because it just seemed like we had too much to talk about. and it was literally almost to the point of being dangerous, but it was just unbelievable. i've never, i've never met anyone like that. i think where i've instantly known that i could talk to him for the rest of my life without being booked. if there was one conversation that comes back to you, sometimes when you miss someone and you're thinking how, how is that one time? and we talked about verse, what is the conversation that comes back to her at shell, that, you know, he said out way too late to half, but he will never forget. no, this is a very strange one in 2014, a bit of anger wrote an essay called i'm

a homosexual mom, which is not in the collection that you all in your hands for me because of the, the collection that you hold is the 1st half of his writing career and this is for volume to whenever that comes out. ok. but this was an essay that, that stunned the world he wrote it published it in an african magazines and to we're in south africa in africa as a country. and it really stop the world in its tracks. it was quite amazing. but the night before that we had a conversation for about 8 hours on paganism and spirituality and homosexuality. which is something that i was interested in and he was very interested in a. it was the most profound conversation that we had ever had, i think on something serious because we didn't often get to talk about serious things. but it was eye opening in a way for me. and for him, we both been interested in this but hadn't actually discussed it with each other

because we thought we were, i think both a little embarrassed about it. honestly. oh, that be because reason we decided to sort of let all the walls down and talk about it and it was fantastic. and i went to sleep at sort of 4 in the morning. and then somehow you also found the time to write. i'm a homosexual mom. publish it to the game. it was even a human being. i have no idea how he did it on when i, i was reading this and full a day of been your bank as early work. what occurred to me was that he was writing for africans. he didn't explain things like i was reading part of this and i was in job but and he, i was even pap quite often go back in there was a lot of been this book and he doesn't tell you what it is. and if you don't know, you have to go and find out, but there are lots of little like treasures and gems that as an african, as a canino in the south african when i jerry and that you appreciate that he is writing for us for africa. the canyons,

he's writing us and if you're not sure what it is sometimes explains it. sometimes he doesn't. i you love that. how about you? you know what be no did for us or it beyond just the writing. he exploded the space a kind of the literary burdening that you saw on the continent was primarily because of the, the madness and craziness of the bigness of this up. this daring and unusual and an absolutely loving human being. and he's a, he inhabited the continent in, in the right to his marrow or without apology. and the idea of story is a way of seeing not only ourselves, but using story to see the world and, and speak, speak back to the world, but speak the world in the, in, in this, in,

you know, to use his own words in this kind of a book independent creative and, and 3 kind of way as you know, i, i don't think we will ever be able to do enough justice to the meaning of what he provided for us by just simply telling a story on by simply showing the fact that the story is we needed to tell what the stroke, you know, were our stories. you know, when the 1st, when, when, when, when quality 1st emerged, a lot of the gatekeepers referred to our generation as naval gazes because we're writing about ourselves. we're reflecting about ourselves. we were, you know, you know, reflecting on the landscape of our being that were beyond the, the, you know, the particular narratives that were, you know, unfortunately floating all over the world. and i think, i think it was because of the kind of we felt kind of shielded unprotected by just

just the strangeness and marvel that was, are being a bugger. and connie, if you look on my laptop here, is an ditch to online resource for writers. and this is something that big of anger set out with his prize money from the came prize. i. i'm going to be this out here, melissa. get your brother cook coconut milk. i was not expecting to find recipes like property in an anthology, split coconut in half remote coke, not water set aside. remove flesh from shell, he writes about food as beautifully as he writes about life in africa. hit your brother cook, i'm guessing he kick as he loves fit. he was magic in the kitchen. i actually remember one time, my folks were on a trip and we had run out of the flies as sibling sometimes do. i think we had like

half a loaf of bread like my 2 or noon. and i keep saying that he made this amazing salad which actually included curry powder and sold it. but i remember very horrified periods calling long distance. i'm hearing about the the salad we had, which was filled with white bread sold to carry out that. but yeah, we could, he could cook with any kind of ingredients and i think he even took it up as that as a challenge. can i make anything with these look like that? of these foods that are hanging in my, me buzz, you know, tree and garden. so yeah, he was fantastic. but it was also just, he's, he's way of creating beauty. he, he, he, he was really good at creating to anything he did anything he touched. he was all about centering that around our african stories, he was very good at giving us the mundane african, everyday life. just giving

a handle vitality and vividness. and i think that's what the one was saying was quite magical. helping us also just connect with our them. so self in a sense of identity that so often has been taken away from us or spoken for us in many ways that are also they denny greta and put us down. and he has a way of just bringing it back and language for him was my theory. he stretched it and made it into what it is he needed to be to communicate that beauty. i am going to bring in a new voice. if on you go 1st go 2nd you can say yes, i absolutely. melissa love what you said you will, you will be new. wrangell was vulnerable to beauty in a way that i find very few people in the world to be and the vulnerability to

beauty. need and look at us and look at, look at especially look at the africa as a particularly and spectacularly beautiful and, and, and to use story and language and words to it, to create an entire glossary of our particular beauty. which allowed him then to, you know, you know, throw back the ugliness that, that the ugly words that had been directed at our particular wonderfulness at the creators of those particular, those particular ideas. yeah, i, yeah. he was a man. absolutely vulnerable to beauty. yeah. i'm going to bring in the writer here, lorenzo talks about how she was inspired by the way, been your van guest saw the world. this is what she told us earlier. i remember

this is time and content. his work i was reading where need him kinda in 2010 and there was so much coverage. emotion. any g a is the way he communicates the way through. busy about and above that, right, when i became a trouble, right. and i knew that i would start writing books about africa. i was very intentional about ensuring that i do know to ride from lenses through a type that was very intentional, about infusing humor and energy. and emotion into my own writing. so that the way that i re present africa would really be genuine and authentic. i tell. so that's the legacy, right there on you. like we, we all that already knows for us that the fact that we want to be better at writing because of the way that many of anger wrote. that is your legacy right there. actual, i know you've got ready some think for us because this anthology is called how to

write about africa, which is more in the general sense because many of anger wrote about africa in such an extraordinary way. but he also went viral before viber was really insane. with an article which is sarcastic and complained about how africa was often portrayed it got, it went so vital that people study to tap in your banga. have you seen the article, how to write about african hair? like i run days, would you know, would you read a little bit of it because every time i hear it, every time i see bits of it, i say, i say, oh my goodness, this is still relevant, agile. the the honest place i love to thank you. sorry i just have to get this off my screen here. second. please never have a picture of a well adjusted african on the cover of your book or in it unless that african has won the nobel prize. and you get 47 prominent ribs naked breast use these if you

must include an african and make sure you get one in marcell zulu dog andras in your text, treat africa as if it was one country. it is hot and dusty with rolling grasslands and hue tubs of animals. and dalton, people who are starving or it's hot and steamy with very shop people who eat primaries, don't get both on the details of precise descriptions. africa b 54 country is 900000000 people who are too busy starving and dying and worrying and emigrating to reachable still, i were still like when nothing but when nothing for right he has because that is still so true is something that seek who mentioned as we were talking about been of anger and his legacy in this particular article that everybody knows enough so much . yes, yes. they see that he wrote how to read about africa letter that she wrote decades back is that it still sort of entity as it was at the time he wrote it. but also

it's relevant not just for global media coverage of the continent, but africa, media coverage to the same as your tapes on preview in global news media then tend to dominate a news media on the continent. and this points to a big challenge, which is actually that of money and power and influence because african media houses are usually under funded in the, to the extent where they need to replace it to rely on global media houses for their coverage. when i am thinking of a time when thing of anger came on to the screen, this is back in 2015 and we were all so excited. and we were doing a show about things that you don't really appreciate about the african continent. before i play a clip, i think it's really important for us to just stop for a moment and just appreciate how much he was a steward or other people's writing how he spent time and nurtured them and encourage them. and he did that to you. can you briefly tell us how we encourage you to write a he he saw me as

a writer long before i recognize myself, was that i wrote the 1st to the 1st work of fiction that i ever produced. the way to whispers which ended up winning. but the 2003 came prize. i actually wrote it to get been of anger, of my back. all right? yes. all right, so you ready to get off his back in. so he was there he was, there was your mentor. so in 2015, i asked in your anger very specific question because whatever he's reading, that would be good for us to read as well. let's have a listen to that entity back in 2015. at this time of a crazy girl's an increase of an invention. i think it's very, very important that we spend more time listening to ourselves and telling ourselves our own story, right? so being of anger a, if you could recommend one book fry international audience to read what would be that one book dust by even the war. it was my favorite novel,

althea nice, didn't even, but i never write or call the warner war, wrote a great novel called dust. i have been the right that you will cry. you will laugh . you are again. you allows you will love. wow. ah, he knew ah, doesn't that just some something of anger? why 9 or up better? that's a long we have ah, we have, i'm going to let you during that interview, i read it because he wasn't always polite about your work. the 1st i missed and you showed you his work. he said it was, was not good. ha ha. but he is, and i was that's in vocabulary to say that young people who are watching right now actual very quickly, we've got 30 seconds to do this. what do you think that then your rank is still now

can communicate to young africans in a single sentence? what would that be bigger road better than anyone else? because he lived better than anyone else? honestly. all right, so should have on the way. yeah. a young audience who's watching right now, which of answered very that was a question that you had answered to you and she just got to live better than any one else. you've been talking about being of anger y, nina, and the anthology, how to write about africa. and he's now in buck stops. enjoy. ah, a sense of belonging to walk down any street and cocktail. he can feel the presence of its been community. and the everyday heroes keeping communities together. logos overs, logos uh, just 0 visits at the veteran community to want to canada,

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