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all right, your headlines on al 0, israel and lebanon ever proved a u. s. broker deal that lays out there maritime border and the mediterranean sea. the agreement allows both countries to conduct offshore exploration for gas and oil . they're still technically at war. so the deal was signed in separate rooms at a un base in the lebanese border town of nor cora, the stigma delete local you. this is a political achievement. it's not every day that an enemy recognizes the state of israel in a written agreement in front of the entire international community. there is still every day that the united states of france stand behind us and provide security and economic guarantees for the agreement is aveena hotter has more on this deal from the lebanon israel boundary in southern lebanon, vested interest, historic deal, but both sides insisting that it is limited in scope, it only involves alienating the maritime border. lebanon has repeatedly said that
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this is not the peace treaty. this does not signify in any way a normalization of relations and the foreign policy of this country will not change . the latest statement coming from the president seems to be in response to what the israeli prime minister said that this is a political achievement. and a de facto recognition of, of the state of israel. ukraine says, wet weather and difficult terrain are making its counter offensive in the southern her san region. more challenging must go back to authorities, have been evacuating civilians from the city as ukrainian forces advance. a funeral for prominence. pakistani journalist arshad sharif has been held in the capitalist loma bad. his body was returned to his family in pakistan from nairobi on wednesday . sharif was shot dead by kenyan police and what officials say, with a case of mistaken identity, people are protesting in sri lanka, mit ongoing unrest over the economic situation. they're also frustrated about the brutal suppression of earlier protests and the u. s. economy appears to be bouncing
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back recording growth of 2.6 percent in the 3rd quarter. the economy shrunk in the previous 2 quarters due to high inflation and rising interest rates. right, those are headlines on al jazeera. the news continues right here. after inside story, stay with us. ah, the 1st stop saying that ending the war in ethiopia is normally antique why region are underway in south africa, but fighting has intensified. so what are the chances of bringing in the conflict to an end? and what does each side hold to gain? this is insight story. ah
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hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully battle if european government and rebels from the northern to gray region are holding their most high level talks yet aimed at ending 2 years of war. but fighting has intensified on the battlefield as both sides seek to strengthen their negotiations position. as these high agreed earlier this year collapse in august, thousands have been killed in the conflict and many more have been forced from their homes. the african union is leading the talks in south africa with nigeria, former president, and was in general bass and joe and kenny as were kenyata acting as brokers international calls for an end to the war, have been mounting in recent weeks. the african union commission chair will suffolk, he welcome the start of the talk saying he was encouraged by the early
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demonstration of commitment to peace by the parties. he placed the african unions continued support for a process to silence the guns towards a united, stable, peaceful, and resilient. ethiopia. so how did ethiopia get here? while the to grand people liberation front t p left dominated its politics for nearly 30 years until prime minister abbey made came to power in 2018. in november 2020, i be ordered a military operation against rebels into gray. he accused the google attacking military bases. later that month he declared the operation finished in june at the great people's liberation front, recaptured regional capital mckelly. by july, it had advance into the regions of our fall and i'm higher up on october, 11th, ethiopian forces launch a ground offensive and strikes a week later, the following month, the government declared a state of emergency after the t. p l f. we took towns and i rode leading to the capital out is how about the northern region has been under
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a blockade for 17 months with no banking, telephone and internet services, nor media access for him. and rights campaign is have warned of potential abuses by both size in the conflict. the one who sees credible independently, investigation into all that what city is committed in this conflict? so we one your mind that an 8 i us as immediate as possible and we won the internet not and the regional community to respond to that situation in my letter, which is the being of that, that gravity of the station, the while it's bringing august. now for today's inside story from addis ababa and while in se journalists and political commentator from
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sun valley in sweden to lie gib, michael associate, editor at to got a website documenting possible war crimes. integrate and from nairobi, william davidson, senior year analyst at the international crisis group. thank you for joining us on inside story today that he thought with you. and while i'm in at is have about looking at the big picture. how hopeful are you today that an end might be in sight to the war into cry. thank you very much for having me. i think the fact that both sides of agreed for this be stuck is an encouraging and they're supposed to signal that the people both sides with their dad to grants or to definitely get around. hoping for on this p stokes. because it can be, it will bring to the suffering of the people, not on integrated region, but also the neighboring get as and the whole country in general. so people are
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hoping that this will be an into, to the suffering of people who are, who i've been going through a very severe challenges and wondering what all the parties discussing precisely in south africa. ah, in my opinion, the 1st sir, you should be about her ceasefire and her ah, ah, probably dead demanded by from the government say it would be in a med gender. are they want the t p a left to put arms down in her talk? and on the other side, the t p a liver may demand to, ah, ah, a beer is to forms a terrorist list in there to get some amnesty for its re leaders. as he saw the priorities id gone down the disk. ah, before they go into the detail of what would happen after that, or what would be the fit of the beer live and what would be there? ah, region, sir,
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administration and how it should or are goin to normal transition. and or last issues would be the next step, in my opinion, a number of issues on the table. no, dar take lie in sweden, if i can come to you and looking at the big picture. and while him says he's optimistic because the 2 sides are finally talking, what are the chances you think of bringing this conflict to an end to an immediate stop? do you think that we might see some, some genuine progress in south africa? thank you for the for having me on. i'm afraid i don't sherry in, i'm dollars optimism and the reason for my pessimism is the behavior of egypt and government. let me start by reminding you a statement that the issued one day before the talk to begun. and government said that the talks with an opportunity to consolidate about what to consolidate military, suppose military game that they had made over the previous couple of days in the joint operation with which i'm pushing or whatever,
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trying commanders basically commanding that poses. they have made something cautions, partly because the target posters had retreated from an area to avoid, to avoid urban warfare. and government seems to believe that the final solution is going to come when they control the capital city up to great. and indeed that would the sumption actually when they set up the talk, the assumption would that by the time to talks would begin, they would have controlled that they would have that would have put them in a position to demand that that's a grand total. it's in debt, and when that became, when it became clear that that wasn't possible, then they found themselves in a very, very awkward situation now. and actually not in the negotiations in south africa. there had been rumors that the, the pete, the representing a government couldn't actually commit to anything because they didn't think about.
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they would find themselves in the situation. so i don't expect anything positive is going to come. my government has always been clear that the thing about it wants to get from the the goal is to lessen the pressure from the international committee. the enormous pressure and put them to release funds have been withholding because they have been demanding. and the one bank and government should stop war before it could claim benefits. so i'm very, very pessimistic about any outcome from the tops william davidson and i will be your thoughts. is there today enough trust between the 2 parties that could lead to progress on the substantive issues? think perhaps what we are looking for realistically, from these talks is a sensation. a possibility is agreement that would be renewing the agreement that was in place this year between and the federal and take right government. and i
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think what we should recognize is that these are important negotiations because they represent the beginning of a formal african union, internationally supported process. and therefore they probably in the long run will be the way that they've completed. and that definitely the way that it should be resolved, but i do think we have a rather long way to go. as you get has made clear, i think the issue is under what turn could we have a sensation of hostilities. currently we have active military compensation inside to great with the federal army supported by the era try and army attempting to establish control over federal facilities. as stated by i just now wants to take great delegation. i said that they do want to station unfortunately they have also said that they want retrans military to withdraw. busy from think right, and it is not clear that that's a great government and forces would agree to association of boston. it is,
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if the federal army keeps pushing forward with it or try it out and tries to take complete whenever you are, who you say is in the stronger position right now. the strongest division, militarily, both militarily and the negotiations in south africa. what we know about the military situation is that the fighting has been going on since the 24th of august . over the last and 2 weeks as tech, i was describing. the 2 great forces have retreated from some urban areas the are trying to get the miniatures have pushed further into take, right. we've also heard in the last few days about considerable continued resistance from the take away forces, particularly around at the crossroads town of ad. what and so it seems to be around a mic situation, although undoubtably, there was some mention on the therapy and retrans side over the last couple of weeks, right. let me come back to you. and while i'm in artis, what do we know is happening right now?
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in the round figure, what's the extent of what we know? because of course it's been very difficult to get information from the region. the federal government prior to the talks, had said that it would restore to communication services across to grade. did, did they take that action? did they restore services? is more aid going into the region to alleviate that the humanitarian situation that ah, yes i, we also follow those 3 posters from the government site and there are we, i've seen some pictures. busy of restoring electricity in delivering foot done or video on social media us on there as we are a now the in a dear for they to pair national defense sports as a ticket on throat. so our, we have since aust deliveries are being done by the government and r o and we see on the ground. what's happening, as the william said, that the war is more a day to repair national defense, more forces,
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more advancing in to the different regions of to gray. and now are we heard that it is surrounding mckelly and ah, the assumption by many of the supporters of the to bang government is that the michaela would fall under day to penn national defense works probably before sunday or before the conclusion of the 1st round of the talk, so this is what is being ah observed in the, on the ground at tech lee. what, what do you think is happening on the ground? because the to grand position had been that they were not willing to sit and negotiate is negotiate with the ad is government unless essential services to the region where restored. has that happened as far as you know? well, no, that hasn't happened. and the reason is because starvation remains efficient, 40 c p c. i'm not ashamed to state that on, on the local media, they said that should remain a policy. and that the way to achieve between integrate is by making the people
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suffer so that they could submit to the federal order. so i'm done to me completely wrong when it says that services has resumed in some parts of put, the government has been doing some sort of propaganda to say that area is controlled because using the services, but best simply in life, on the how service has been cut the total prompted, right? the government has also actually banned my tenant organizations complying to a great to deliver even basic medicine, nevermind. luxury items like food, food, integrate, and luxury. so nothing has happened in the way of redemption of services. and the reason the guy government had some delicate this to, to south africa is to literally a bag, international to me, to, to patient based upon government to relent on his potent located. so the, at the barriers put could start to, to trickle in. but i just want to emphasize that anatomy is completely wrong when i
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allow them to bond. and while i am your, your answer to that, i think my friend is very much fired for on. and he seems to be bored. sympathize with the p l f. and i just want to be to talk about to be as an independent and probably as i need your pin which can feel the suffering of pause if anyone knows giving i or my motto. in my opinion, there is no reason there is no reason. there is no reason why the federal government will not deliver if there is available age in place. why they need to know that they're freed those areas and their control. so say that ok previously because the l is controlled by t p and they may have challenges to delivered to state. but now if their control de ragsdale is ada available, why do they not deliver? okay, it doesn't make sense in my opinion. okay, i'll allow you to bring back william in to the compensation technically or since my
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mother, my mother and my father live in an area supposedly treat by the tip and government . and i haven't been able to speak to them for 2 years. so that just gives you what is happening integrate. so what he's saying is complete like ok, william, i'm going to bring you back into the conversation to, to help us expand this and, and try to understand how you know, that the warring parties in each in ethiopia. they can reach a settlement. and as the tech li alluded to, there were not just talking about the t p l. f. in the philippine government, they are the actors involved in this conflict. retreat, we know has sent troops in to help fight alongside the beat up in government forces . they are, of course, the, the, the ramo liberation forces in the or more region as well, which is also putting pressure on the out is government, is, there is settlement today, william, that can satisfy all the parties involved in this conflict. whether it's the federal government that to gray government hire a nationalist,
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it retrieve document. there's certainly no immediate prospect of us that someone's and indeed that you know the problem in there and with our a try or is it some of these differences almost seem are concise level, but it is absolutely right to highlight the role of eritrea in the complex we also have a situation where elements from harm region neighboring so great. they forcefully seized western pig right and still control it. and so that will be another very typical issues result was take great demands which would turn including the return of the people. this is a very difficult situation. i think if progress is going to be made is going to be incremental not as why the mediators will be focusing on 1st getting at least the sensational estimates is between the federal and the take right government. and then moving on from that to address the issue of, of eritrea. right. do you think it's making a retread, william a speaking of every tree, or do you think that the president of every tree as
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a sample or a key will accept any deal that would see the grey and leadership remain in place? and the understanding that the genuine understanding of the physician is that they are involved in this complex sort of heavily to see the complete eradication of the t p as a political force. and so that is essentially means removing the leadership and ensuring that they know can no longer hold power and pick right and take right to no longer be a threat to retract. so really at the moment there is no sign that i ever try to leadership is interested, right? negotiated settlement office doing a military solution and quickly, you know, the relationship between i be a med and i say a soft working has been a complicated one. who's leading, who there? you think? i think that is an important question. undoubtedly they have a common purpose, a common enemy. and it's also at times that has been signs of strain in the
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relationship. it is assume the present as i, as was not happy with prime minister abby's efforts to stop the peace process and strike, to cease by was also the potential for rivalry in terms of regional leadership in the years ahead. and so was they have been allied during this war. there certainly is some tension developing between as mara and i just about and their leaders. alright, and well, let me just let me come back to you now. what do you see today as the biggest challenge to these piece songs can be made and the t p l f. leadership the brought back together in your opinion? i think it all depends on the intent of their meeting because are they forced to sit for this meeting, both sides? i mean, they took down government and des t p. i live out there for sit by a certain party to sit for this bit. soak all are they are for said to resolve the suffering of their people as that the major question that they should answer if
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they think that data is out of for said like if you, date of been government is forced to sit for mistook while it is advancing to makayla to capture capital as and it may not make sense for them to make a deal quickly to a cease fire. likewise, if the t p life thinks that they have come to this table because they're losing a seat is in dallas. and then this also does not make a solution for this, but we don't get solution from this talk p stuck as end of the day. so it all depends on the intent of their, their motive. that's why they went there. is it because of the influence of us and they went, or is it because of the suffering of the people? that's the major question. that plain my opinion. all right, take lay your, your thoughts. what's a solution line? can abby n t p l f. reconcile? when there's only one thing that has that has never been tried in terms of solution
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and everything has been tried and everything i stayed at. easement had been tried threatening with sanctions without actually sanction or has been tried. but there's one thing that the international community hasn't, i'm did that is to actually sanction vietnam to impose arms embargo, anti sanction era shop as well. and to support that, to go to post cautious with wetlands and other munition so that they could be it, they could, they could defend to cry. and indeed, ethiopia, because it down now it's under the throes. oh, for sure. so i can any serious thing, any serious of the wants of the right has been very clear to support the grad depends poses. so that is the solution. but in terms of the topic, if you, if you would give me one minutes and say that the time difference courses, i'm actually every chunk commanders using it, the pass code to kind of what's happening on the idea that they are advancing to
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emit rec, plumps even from faraway places, so that's not happening. it was made that was used by the region to government funds to supported and also to make the international community believe that military victory was next door. so that the upper hand in the negotiations, but it's a complete mit and it's just like that. people like i'm trying to to patch weight allows them to respond. and also i'd like to hear your thoughts about what to take at least take a say that you know, the international community functioning, the to can government and functioning richer as well. what do you make of that? i think the, your guess does, but i thought solution you can solve the solution by, i mean, like, did you did the us to save? you came from being attacked by russia by supplying we put. so you are telling the same thing to happen in the integrator region. when you supply our list,
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that means you are allowing more suffering because you are you really and you are the people you are on the side of things that you're on saturday. only the purpose of those who surprise the way friends, who have their own political agenda and joe political interest in their agent and who are using t p. i left the trojan horse. so you have an open, my friend, what are you talking? you know, sort of the brain people maybe more drain, have been able to, i'm sorry to hear you're trying to be scared of point. it's all right, go ahead. there's not a solution that you couldn't have been able to. the ukraine has been able to defend it's a positive because it has received western support. and that is exactly what's happening to grow. and actually there should be more support to great because the suffering integrated much, much what the suffering into crime. i don't understand why the international community can't think of solution is similar to the one being applied in your
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training. all right, let's ask william in and i will be william. what can foreign diplomats involved in these talks do? what can important element be that the international community can bring to the table right now? i think that during the right thing, finally, in terms of a more concerted, more focused, more high level, an international response is absolutely devastating war we've, we've seen possibly 10000 competence die in the fighting in the last 2 months. and additions 100, the thousands that have been killed, partly as a result of the government blockade. the federal government pay that it's and acted on take ride during this war. so they focused on negotiations is correct, and it should be more forceful action taken if any of the belligerent continue to use salvation as a weapon of war. they continue to target civilians and if they continue to prolong its complex but ultimately what is needed to be in an era,
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try an actors to understand that there is no military solution. here we are only going to see further suffering and then no, no matter how difficult and how entrenched the difference is all the way out of this is to begin to try and negotiate them around the negotiated table rather than on the battlefield. gentlemen, thank you very much for a very lively and interesting discussion on the island to say in at is take a good michael in sweden and william davidson in nairobi. thank you very much for being with us and thank you for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can of course, also join the conversation on twitter handle. is that a j inside story for me, for the back to boeing, whole team here in doha. thanks for watching. bye for now. ah .
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