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an end, and what does each side hold to gain? this is inside story. ah, hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully battle ethiopian government and rebels from the northern to gray region are holding their most high level talks yet aimed at ending 2 years of war. but fighting has intensified on the battlefield as both sides seek to strengthen the negotiation position. as he's hi agreed, earlier this year collapse in august, thousands have been killed in the conflict and many more have been forced from their homes. the african union is leading the talks in south africa with nigeria, former president, and was in general, bath, and joe and kenya's were kenyata acting as brokers international calls for an end
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to the war, have been mounting in recent weeks. the african union commission, chair wolf ocoee, welcome the start of the talk saying he was encouraged by the early demonstration of commitment to peace by the parties. he plays the african unions continued support for a process to silence the guns towards a united, stable, peaceful, and resilient. ethiopia. so how did ethiopia get here? while the to grand people's liberation front t p. a left dominated his politics for nearly 30 years until prime minister abbey ahmed came to power in 2018. in november 2020 abbey ordered a military operation against rebels into grey. he accused the group were attacking military bases. later that month he declared the operation finished in june. the t gray people's liberation front recaptured its regional capital mckelly by july. it had advance into the regions of afar and am herrera. on october, 11th ethiopian forces launched ground offensive and air strikes. a week later,
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the following month, the government declared a state of emergency after the t p. a left re took towns on a road leading to the capital, addis ababa. the northern region has been under a blockade for 17 months with no banking, telephone, and internet services, nor media axis. while human rights campaigners have warned of potential abuses by both size in the conflict. me one competencies, credible independent investigation into all outward cities committed in this conflict. so we want humana that an 8 i us as immediate as possible. and we want the international regional community to respond to that situation in a manner which is deserving of that. that gravity of this question the well let's bring in august now for today's inside
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story from addis ababa. and while in se journalists and political commentator from sun valley in sweden pick lie gibber, michael, associate editor to got a website documenting possible war crimes in to grey and from nairobi, william davis in senior analyst at the international crisis group. thank you for joining us on inside story today that we thought with you. and while i'm in the south, by looking at the big picture, how hopeful are you today that an end might being site to the war into cry. thank you very much for having me. i think the fact that both saves of agreed for this b stock is, or an encouraging and her as a positive signal that are, are the people both saves or whether they are to grants or the to e took out in general. or hoping for on this be stock, sir, because it will be or it could bring an end to suffering. gov to people not on
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integrate region but also in the neighboring gary osler and the whole country in general. so people are hoping that this would be an into her, to the suffering of her people who are ah, i've been going through a very severe challenge. and while i am, what are the parties disgusting? precisely in south africa. ah, in my opinion, the 1st her you should be about her ceasefire, and her ah, ah prob our leader demanded by from the government said would be in a med gender. ah, they want a t p a left to put arms down in her talk. and on the other side, the t p a lift made demand to r. ah, a be arrested for on the terrorist list in there to get some amnesty for it's really doors are, these are the priorities 80 gone down the desk?
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ah, before they go into the detail of what will happen after that, or what would be the fate of d p. i live and what would be their, ah region, sir, administration and how it should or are goin to normal transition and or just issues would be the next step in my opinion, a number of issues on the table. no dar take lie in sweden if i can come to you and looking at the big picture, andrew, alan says he's optimistic because the 2 sides are finally talking. what are the chances you think of bringing this conflict to an end to an immediate stop? do you think that we might see some, some genuine progress in south africa? thank you for the, for having me on. i'm afraid i don't sherry and i'm dollars optimism. the reason for my pessimism is the behavior of egypt and government. let me start by reminding you a statement that the issued one day before the talk to begun. and government said that the talks with an opportunity to consolidate about what to consolidate
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military, suppose military game that they had made over the previous couple of days in the joint operation with which i'm pushing or whatever. trying commanders basically commanding the courses they have missed something cautions. partly because the target posters had retreated from an area to avoid, to avoid urban warfare. and government seems to believe that the final solution is going to come when they control the capital city up to great. and indeed that would the sumption actually when they set up the talk, the assumption would that by the time to talks would begin. they would have controlled that they would have that would have put them in a position to demand that that's a grand total surrender. and when that became, when it became clear that that wasn't possible, then they found themselves in a very, very awkward situation now. and actually not in the negotiations in south africa,
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there had been rumors that the, the pete, the representing government couldn't actually commit to anything because they didn't think about. they would find themselves in the situation. so i don't expect anything positive is going to come. my government has always been clear that the thing about it wants to get from the the goal is to lessen the pressure from the international committee. the enormous pressure and put them to release funds have been withholding because they have been demanding. and the one bank and government should stop war before it could claim benefits. so i'm very, very pessimistic about any outcome from the trumps william davidson. and i will be your father is there today enough trust between the 2 parties that could lead to progress on the substantive issues? think perhaps what we are looking for realistically, from these talks is a sensation. a possibility is agreement that would be renewing the agreement that
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was in place this year between and the federal and take right government. and i think what we should recognize is that these are important negotiations because they represent the beginning of a formal african union, internationally supported process. and therefore they probably in the long run will be the way that they've completed. and that definitely the way that it should be resolved, but i do think we have a rather long way to go. as you are the get has made clear. i think the issue is under what turn could we have a sensation of hostilities? currently, we have active military compensation inside to great would be in federal army supported by the era trained army attempting to establish control over all federal facilities. as stated by, i just now wants to take great delegation. i said that they do want to station
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benefits. they have also said that they want advertise military to withdraw. busy from think right, and it is not clear that the 2 great governments and forces would agree to association of boston. it is, if the federal army keeps pushing forward with its era, try it out and tries to take complete whenever you are, who you say is in the stronger position right now. the strongest division, militarily, both militarily and the negotiations in south africa. what we know about the military situation is that the fighting has been going on since the 24th of august . over the last and 2 weeks, as tech, i was describing. the great forces have retreated from some urban areas the are trying to get the miniatures have pushed further into take, right. we've also heard in the last few days about considerable continued resistance from the take away forces, particularly around at the crossroads town of ad what and so it seems to be around a mic situation, although undoubtably,
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there was some mention on the therapy and retrans side over the last couple of weeks, right, let me come back to you. and while i'm in artis, what do we know is happening right now in the round figure? what's the extent of what we know? because of course, it's been very difficult to get information from the region. the federal government prior to the talks, had said that it would restore to communication services across to gray. did. did they take that action? did they restore services? is more aid going into the region to alleviate that the humanitarian situation that ah, yes i, we also follow those 3 posters from the government site and there are we, i've seen some pictures. busy of restoring electricity in delivering foot done or video on social media us on day or else we are a now the in the deer for the day to pair national defense sports as a ticket on throat. so our, we have seen source deliveries are being done by the government and now and we see
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on the ground what's happening as the william said, that the war is more of a day to repair national defense, more forces, more advancing in to the different regions of to gray and now are we heard that it is surrounding mckelly and ah, the assumption by many of the supporters of the to bang government is that the michaela would fall under day to penn national defense works probably before sunday or before the conclusion of the 1st round of the talk, so this is what is being observed in the, on the ground at tech lee. what, what do you think is happening on the ground? because the to grand position had been that they were not willing to sit and negotiate is negotiate with the ad is government unless essential services to the region where restored. has that happened as far as you know? well, no, that hasn't happened. and the reason is because starvation remains an efficient 40
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c o p c. i'm not ashamed to state that on, on the local media, they said that should remain a policy. and the way to achieve between integrate is by making the people suffer so that they could submit to the federal order. so i'm done to me completely wrong when it says that services has resumed in some parts of put, the government has been doing some sort of propaganda to say that area that is controlled because using the services. but that's simply the light on the how service has been cut, the total prompted, right. the government has also actually banned my tenant organizations complying to a great to deliver even basic medicine, nevermind at luxury items like food, food, integrate, and luxury. so nothing has happened in the way of presumption of services. and the reason the guy government had some delicate this to, to south africa is to literally a bag, international to me, to, to patient based upon government to relent on his potent located. so the,
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at the barriers put could start to, to trickle in, but i just want to emphasize that anatomy is completely wrong when i allow them to bond. and while i am your, your answer to that, i think my friend is very much fired for on. and he seems to be bored. sympathize with the p l f. and i just want to be to talk about to be as an independent and probably as i need to appeal and which can feel the suffering of pause if anyone knows, giving i or my motto. in my opinion, there is no reason there is no reason. there is no reason why the federal government will not deliver if there is available age in place. why they need to know that they freed those areas and their control. so say that ok previously because the l is controlled by t p and they may have challenges to delivered to state. but now if their control de
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ragsdale is ada available, why do they not deliver? okay, it doesn't make sense in my opinion. okay, i'll allow you to bring back william in to the compensation technique quickly your response. thanks my mother, my mother and my father live in an area supposedly treat by the tip and government . and i haven't been able to speak to them for 2 years. so that just gives you what is happening integrate. so what he's saying is complete like ok, william, i'm going to bring you back into the conversation to, to help us expand this and, and try to understand how you know, that the warring parties in each in ethiopia. they can reach a settlement. and as the tech li alluded to, there were not just talking about the t p 11 ethiopian government. they are the actors involved in this conflict. retreat, we know has sent troops in to help fight alongside the open government forces. they are, of course, the, the, the ramo liberation forces in the or more region as well,
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which is also putting pressure on the out is government. is there a settlement today, william, that can satisfy all the parties involved in this conflict? whether it's the federal government that to gray government hire a nationalist, it retrieve document. there's certainly no immediate prospect of us that someone's and indeed that you know the problem in there and with our a try or is it some of these differences almost seem are concise level, but it is absolutely right to highlight the role of eritrea in the complex we also have a situation where elements from harm region neighboring so great. they forcefully seized western pig right and still control it. and so that will be another very difficult issues. result was take great demands which would turn, including the return of the people. this is a very difficult situation, i think is progress is going to be made is going to incremental not as why the mediators will be focusing on 1st getting at least a sensational estimate is between the federal and the take right government. and
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then moving on from that to address the issue of about retry, right, do you think it's making a retread, william, a speaking of every tree? do you think that the president, very true as a sample or a key will accept any deal that would see the grey and leadership remain in place? and the understanding that the genuine understanding of the era try and position is that they are involved in this complex sort of heavily to see the complete eradication of the t p as a political force. and so that is essentially means removing the leadership and ensuring that they know can no longer a whole power integrate and take right to no longer be a threat to try. so really at the moment there is no sign that i ever try to leadership is interested, right? negotiated settlement office doing a military solution and quickly, you know, the relationship between i be a med and i say a soft working has been a complicated one. who's leading, who there? you think? i think that is an important question. undoubtedly they have a common purpose,
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a common enemy. and it's also at times that has been signs of strain in the relationship. it is assume the present as i, as was not happy with prime minister abby's efforts to stop the peace process and strike, to cease by was also the potential for rivalry in terms of regional leadership in the years ahead. and so was they have been allied during this war. there certainly is some tension developing between as mara and i just about and their leaders. alright, and well, let me just let me come back to you now. what do you see today as the biggest challenge to these piece talks can be made and the t p l f. leadership who brought back together in your opinion? i think it all depends on the intent of their meeting because are they forced to sit for this meeting, both sides? i mean, they took down government and des t p. i live out there for sit by
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a certain party to sit for this bit. soak all are they are for said to resolve the suffering of their people as that the major question that they should answer if they think that data is out of for said like if you, date of been government is forced to sit for mistook while it is advancing to makayla to capture capital as and it may not make sense for them to make a deal quickly to for to cease fire. likewise, if the t p life thinks that they have come to this the table because they're losing are cities and towers. and then this also does not make a solution for this, but we don't get solution from this talk p stuck as end of the day. so it all depends on the intent of their, their motive. that's why they went there. is it because of the influence of us and they went, or is it because of the suffering of the people that that's the major question.
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that plain my opinion. all right, take lay your, your thoughts. what's a solution line? can abby n t p l f? reconcile when there's only one thing that hasn't that has never been tried in terms of solution and everything has been tried and everything i stayed at. easement had been tried, threatening with sanctions without actually sanction has been tried. bobby's wanting that the international community hasn't tried. i'm did that is to actually sanction vietnam to impose arms embargo anti sanction era shop as well. and to support that to go to post cautious with wetlands and other munition so that they could be it, they could, they could defend to cry. and indeed, ethiopia, because ethiopia now is under the throes o arusha, so i can any serious thing, any serious on the want to cry has been very clear to support the grad depends poses the solution. but in terms of the topic, if you, if you would give me one minutes and say that the time difference courses,
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i'm actually every chunk commanders using it. and i've kind of what's happening on the idea that there are advancing to emit rec, plumps even from faraway places. so that's not happening. it was made that was used by the region to government funds to supported and also to make the international community believe that military victory was next door. so that there would be upper hand in the negotiations. but it's a complete mit, and it's just like that people like i'm trying to, to patch weight, allow them to respond. and also i'd like to hear your thoughts about what to take at least take a say that you know, the international community functioning, the to can government and functioning richer as well. what do you make of that? i think the, your guess does, but i thought solution you can solve the solution by, i mean, like, did you did the us to save?
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you came from being attacked by russia by supplying we put. so you are telling the same thing to happen in the integrator region. when you supply our list, that means you are allowing more suffering because you are you really and you are the people you are on the side of things that you're on saturday. only the purpose of those who surprise the way friends, who are their own political agenda and joe political interest in their agent and who are using t p. i left the trojan horse. so you have an open, my friend, what are you talking? you know, sort of the people being more trained, i've been able to, i'm sorry to hear you train. so it's kind of point. it's all right, go ahead. there's not a solution that you couldn't have been able to. the ukraine has been able to defend . it's a positive because it has received western support, and that is exactly what's happening to grow and actually there should be more
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support to to great because the suffering integrated much much what's happening in ukraine. i don't understand why the international community can't think of solution is similar to the one being applied in ukraine. all right, let's ask william in and i will be william. what can foreign diplomats involved in these talks do? what can important element be that the international community can bring to the table right now? i think that during the right thing, finally, in terms of a more concerted, more focused, more high level, an international response is absolutely devastating war we've, we've seen possibly 10000 competence die in the fighting in the last 2 months. and additions $100.00, the thousands that have been killed, partly as a result of the government located the federal government pay that is and acted on take ride during this war. so they focused on negotiations is correct, and it should be more forceful action taken if any of the belligerents here continue to use salvation as
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a weapon of war. they continue to target civilians and if they continue to prolong its complex but ultimately what is needed to be in an era, try an actors to understand that there is no military solution. here we are only going to see further suffering and then no, no matter how difficult and how entrenched the difference is all the way out of this is to begin to try and negotiate them around the negotiating table rather than on the battlefield. gentlemen, thank you very much for a very lively and interesting discussion on the island to say is take a good michael in sweden and william davidson in nairobi. thank you very much for being with us and thank you for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can of course, also join the conversation on twitter handle is that a j inside story for me fully back to bowen whole team here in doha. thanks for
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