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hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's a dan in after months of uncertainty and a long legal battle. the world's wealthiest man has now taken charge of one of the most influential social media platforms. but it's not yet clear want ellen mosque intends to do with twitter. it's already been a staffing shake up with mosque firing, at least for top executives and many on the platform. speculate hill reinstate ban twitter accounts including that of former us president donald trump. although mosque says no decision has actually been made. many right wing political figures see his takeover as a wind for free speech, while others are concerned. it may give rise to more hate speech on twitter. we'll bring in our gas in a moment. but 1st,
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this report from kristen salumi in new york. ilan mosque appeared at twitters california headquarters as his $44000000000.00 take over. the social media platform was beginning to sink in. musk who'd already changed his twitter title to chief twit confirmed the news in you guessed it, a tweet on friday morning. but it's how free the bird will be, that is of most concern to users. his 1st move was to fire c e o par agog, or wall and top executives. it's no secret that the tesla c o thinks there's far too much censorship on twitter. there are concerns amongst people that i spoke to that people or accounts that have engaged in disinformation or misinformation or forms of harassment. bullying may be allowed to stay on the platform in a way that they previously have not. must previously said he'd reinstate former president. donald trump,
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who was banned in the wake of the january 6th riots. trump responded on his own social media platform friday that he was happy. twitter is quote, now insane hands. but musk announced plans to form a content moderation council saying no major content decision, or account reinstatement would happen before they met. and appealing to advertisers must tweeted that twitter obviously cannot become a free for all health scape, where anything can be said with no consequences. must has pledged to follow the law of the land, but that is a concern. and authoritarian countries where twitter has historically resisted calls to take down anti government tweets. some of those rules are going to need that. so people in certain countries you have a very lot down version all, all twitter whilst others and have a much more free willing experience is going to be a minefield or him to, to operate after 9 years as a publicly traded company on friday, twitter. now under ellen mass val paperwork to have it shares removed from the
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stock mark by november 8th, the 1st official sab, to going private, while some employees were terminated on friday mosque has pushed back against reports that he planned to cut 75 percent of staff. but he has not denied that big changes are ahead resources. kristin, silly me al jazeera new york, or martha says he wants to reform twitter with fewer restrictions and create a digital town square. but in response to mosques, tweet that the bird is freed the e commission of the internal market here, the brit on tweeted back in europe, the bird will fly by our rules. under the e used digital services act, tech companies are required to take down a legal material including hate, speech abuse and incitement. among the many reactions on twitter, some were concerned about the functionality of the site itself saying it'll become a wasteland which will either make it more chaotic and addictive or unusable. and
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many tweeted about the possible return of former president donald trump. after he was banned for life, harry littman says must could alter the american political landscape and make chaos and turmoil reign down. and many, far right political figures are welcoming mosques. takeover of twitter. ah, let's bring in our panel now. we have in new york, suzanne nozzle, the c o of pen america, a leading human rights organization and author of dances speak. descending free speech for all in carlos, we have mat navarro, a social media consultant and former digital communications adviser to the u. k. government and also in new york. bradley task a co founder at tusk. venture partners and, and a junk professor at columbia. business school will welcome to you or if i could
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start with suzanne. so what do you think? will the editorial content and direction of twitter now change radically on the lawn mosque? look, all eyes are on mosque when he 1st began this transaction, he spoke very broadly about getting rid of all of the guard rails for content moderation on twitter, he seemed determined to correct what he saw as political bias, and he thought the way of doing that was to dismantle all the wrong. there are some signs as the deal has gone through. but he's rethinking that he may be learning, he said to advertisers, look, this can't become a free for all how escape he realizes that the genuine danger. and that is what would happen if you did away with all the rules wholesale. he has now that he's going to set up a council, something like perhaps the facebook oversight board that is going to bring together diverse voices to weigh in on content moderation decisions. so i think there are
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some glimmer of hope that it's going on, and this is far more complex than the bargain or, and that a one size sweeping away of all of the rules is not going to create the environment for rich discourse that you want that instead it would be a kind of tower of babel. we're just information online harassment features which we all would rate or i interesting mat, do you think then the concerns about becoming a haven for far right extremism hate speech and that this information that she was talking about. do you think that now maybe not much of a concern or not too much of a concern as it was a few months ago? think anything that involves little musket balls taking it with a pinch of salt because the man changed his mind that the weather you know, that he said you wanted to do it for a few months ago. i already started to change the 1st few days of this transaction
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going through. so i think we need to wait and see. but i do think that twitter is known to have issues with like many social media sites with harassment and bullying and abuse. and i don't think that's going to change any time soon. i think some of the suggestions that you know must makes. i think that the complexity of it and the impact it will have, i think he's underestimating and if you look to so i spoke, paula, and truth, social trumps, and platform and rumble. these are places that are a very profitable, be much fun to be around and see to stick around a great deal of time with a large number of people. so i think, you know, no one wants to hang around and i certainly know a large group of people at the size that twitter has to deal with this platform. so i think he's got his work out. it's going to be one of the biggest business challenges he's taken on here. all right, talking about business challenges, maybe a good point to read this tweet by guy vo, huffstutter. he's
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a member of the european parliament and he tweeted, so one man at ellen mosque now owns the biggest debate in the world. bradley, should people be worried about the influence of the wealthy. the super rich in this critical industry. perhaps for different reasons than we've been discussing so far on the whether it's where will become a house or you already. and regardless of what my price would be positive or negative, he's not know the impact of that much is going to come down to at least the u. s. new regulations that force change. but overall it seems to me that maybe one hidden reason why my son is doing this. we haven't really looked that much so far. busy is there is no person on the planet then. if it's more from hype around investing, that you on last capitalist work, $721000000000.00 market flows yesterday. the real value is probably 110th that and the rest of the picture, dustin high. but he is better than anyone else. and the machine that creates the
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most pictures of the most high is where so both for customer now and space facts and that goes public neural link. in all these situations, if he can control the mechanism to keep our officially booking the price of the shares, that may be why it makes more sense. so there is a big business incentive. susanne, how can one ensure that there won't be an unnecessary, shall we say overlapping of motives for how social media work and in this kind of case, you know, it's difficult. i mean, these are private companies. they're not regulated today. the idea that they'll be regulated in real time here in the united states. i think it is unfortunately pretty park patch. there are some regulations i would support. there's some regulatory proposals that i think go to bar. but the fact is, we have been politically hand strong, even though there's an extensive ball consensus across democrats and republicans
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that something needs to be done about the big tack. the minute you get down to specific proposals, there are deadlocks, and there has been no move. and the european union, as you touched on, is moving forward in a experimental way with putting obligations on the companies to moderate content to take down hateful speech. and this information and those obligations are serious. they bear significant fine. now when it comes to musk stability, to promote his own business interests on the platform that may not be swept up in europe and regulation, he may be quite free to do that. and so i think that is something we have to monitor the minute you have a public square of this size and scope, that is the demand for so much of our political discourse in the hands of one man. he's got saudi investors who are number 2 on the list now in terms of the most powerful backers of twitter. and so i think there are serious political implications. there is going to be
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a national security review of the transaction. although i think the consensus is that it doesn't really pose the issues because most because an american interesting while mat mosque says he's going to form a content moderation council. will that be enough? well, we've seen it. you have some, some levels of success with facebook scribble in the oversight board, but even then that's not without people. i'm having a lot of criticism of the panel in terms of what i am able to do capable of doing in terms of the scale of the, the operation for a big social media platform. ready and it still doesn't get rid of the, the problems or different regulations in different countries. people from different sides of the political spectrum, tv that one size i'm being heard and seen on the platform, the other. i think the, all of these problems are to continue to exist and there's nothing that must the i can see has got to can do. it's going to change that. and i think although he's been really successful with all of the other businesses,
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he's had in terms of space, x and tests, learn things. you know, they are very different businesses in terms of the, the mechanics of them. and the fact that it doesn't have this big human element in the middle of it, everyone has an opinion on. so i think that's going to be really challenging. and, and i think you come back to talking about regulation. my maker is good to see that you and you can are moving forward with some levels of regulation, but those are not in the u. k. are you seeing that progress being made without people? i'm so fighting of the weather actually now it's just a grab bag of all sorts of ideas and if she's overreaching in some areas and, and not to the ring and others. so it's still a long way to go in terms of regulation. but this is a guess on the big that he's going to have to tackle as well as things like what you do with countries like russia and, and other countries, more repressive regimes. when you look at it like that, i'm wondering, bradley is it now just a matter of time before we see mosque, self proclaimed free speech. absolutism,
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run afoul of regulators. are they on the collision walls? well, at least not in the us, because right now we really don't have any regulation. so whether musk is well intentioned or not, his counsel moderation or probe has an ad facebook or anything else. fundamentally can't work because the business model requires the out. twitter, facebook, any platform makes their money through advertising. advertising rates are based on the number of eyeballs, the number of clicks and whether, you know, we like it or not, toxic content, negative content drives breaks significantly more than positive content. so no matter how they want to try to moderate it to be good, it directly interferes with their economic incentives. the holiness model, bradley is then got a more content of controversial, potentially on flat mation and extreme speech. absolutely, unless we do something about it right to you as proposed,
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this is come up in the u. s, which is right now. the platforms are not legally liable for content posted by use . as a result, i can defame all of you all i want. you could come after me for damages, but odds are i don't have that much to recover. but you can't go after twitter can't go after facebook and go after picked up. once that changes, if that changes and a platform become legally liable for everything that gets posted and if they don't deal with it properly, they stand to lose billions of dollars in legal judgments. then all of a sudden you'll see real change. but just relying on the good intentions of the company, or quite frankly, the good intentions and ability of the government, the regulators, academic academics, none of that is going to do the trick mass. is it a did? that's the situation in the us. and i'm wondering it's a different situation in other places the digital services act is that actually tightening the rules and making social media platforms are going to make them,
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i think in 2024 to make them responsible for the content for hate speech, incitement, terrorism, child sex abuse and so on. it's quite amazing that we're still sat here in the year that we are in 2022 and we're only now just getting the so beginnings of regulation to these platforms, i think by anyone's kind of standards and of looking at what's going on in the last 10 years and social media is clearly got some questions to answer in terms of its negative impacts. but here we are, we, we've got something on the way and the u. k. is kind of an approach to with some more broadly similar, he was slightly further ahead in terms of where they are in terms of getting it installed. but it's still the big question like the u. k. for example. and one of the things is about having legal, but harmful content in terms of things are subjective in terms of where should they be? should they be down? and these questions are never, you're talking about re, to, you're talking about your case online safety bill, right? so that's a big question about how you, who defines what is harmful,
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even if it's not legal. it is, and that that's one debate that's raging, that it's actually been delayed in the last week in terms of getting passed through the house to get it to finally put into law. but there's also questions around like age and age protection. the kids, the children are still able to sign up to these platforms and then if you actually put restrictions on platforms, so people provide id for them, then it can cause problems in other areas. so use kind of like spinning plates and turning one key and another lock closes and is the most complex kind of business to, to enter into. and it's not that this legislation is going to change things dramatically, but it will finally put some ability on the companies. and recently in the u. k, we've had the case of molly russell who, i'm sorry, took our life. and in that case, it was deemed from the, the coroner's report that social media played a large part in that things need to change. but we've heard of this before. we're
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now still soaking up really close enough to getting it sorted. but all of this stuff and you know, you're going to have to tackle it. i think he's going to be shocked with how much it's going to suck up on his, his or his team's time. suzanne, i saw you a moment ago trying to get in on there. let me give you a chance to weigh in on this. yeah, i mean just to say, look what the both the you and the u. k. regulations primarily do is put the otis on companies to erect systems and methods to moderate content robustly. and if they do that, then they do still enjoy significant fields from liability. and i think that is, that is an effort to balance the, you know, what it is that we value about social media, you know, yes, it has many, dec, negative sides. and there are harmful types of content that spread. but there's also great positive social media as a tool for informing people for exposing human rights abuses for allowing people
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who are very isolated and cut off to connect and get their voices out. we can't lose sight of the ways in which social media is a vehicle at an enabler of free expression. and so what regulators are trying to do is, you know, do a kind of surgical incision that cuts away that which is so damaging and harmful while preserving that, which is positive. are they doing a good job? do you think, what is the regulators in places like the e u and u. k? what do you make a very it's really early days. i mean, this is terra incognita, no one even not even those who run these platforms fully understand how content moves, what the implications are for democracy. how to dial up or dial back the algorithms and, and what the ramifications will be. so i think we're going to be experimenting for a long time. something else to keep in mind is authoritarian regimes are experimenting to with more aggressive new laws, banning fake news,
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suppressing descent. and so it's, we can not be naive to think that all regulation is in this arena, is a positive thing. and if you had staunch regulation where there was absolute liability from social media companies for everything on the platform, you know, i do think that would be the end of the immediacy that we enjoy in social media, where you could put up whatever you want. it doesn't go through a lawyer 1st. if they knew they could be liable for it, that would change and then the, the whole modus operandi of social media and what it allows or in terms of communication, i think would be under cut. so these are typical challenges while we're still trying to figure out the content side of things, bradley, is it clear to you that long mosque is going to make a big push to try and increase the monetize ation side of twitter? the i think he, well i look, we should never underestimate him. incredible visionary, business person, but it is really hard to make twitter truly profitable if you were to stand by
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75 percent. could that do the trick? sure. but you're just totally weakening the business itself. so the 44000000000 you expect to buy and becomes worth a lot last. so look, might have a vision that none of us really understand yet. sure. he's done that before and benefit him. he probably just does deserve the benefit of doubt. but if you think about it right now, it's where it's already not really a profitable business. i do think significant regulations are coming. definitely europe, hopefully the united states that will limit profitability further. and so it really has to be the same before more of a means to an end to make money and other ways, like artificially boosting the share price of a hassle of a space, actually finding other ways to make them man, i'm wondering what do you make of the idea that twitter becomes the so per place for the exchange of goods and services, not just of comments and ideas. we're talking about social media at the
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moment with social media companies are in the u. s. and in europe, in terms of anti trust in terms of is that a monopoly say all there is that ability to compete. and so the idea that in the current climate, so someone like your masking twitter can start pulling together companies into one super app and, and kind of start to try and build a much more larger platform with more facets to it seems like a tricky class. and but, but aside from that, you know, the idea is to practice some is coming out of a long time ago in terms of which is probably the most well known super app, if you will, of multiple kind of different apps within an app. and that does more than just one thing that you can do, buying things and news, and, and shopping, and everything else. you know, in europe and in the us. some of the app social apps already are kind of part in that way. ready in terms of snapshot for example, i think the speaker has talked about pushing more towards that direction and we've
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seen better these apps. they often bloated in terms of how much functionality in people don't often use. and would we want to use twitter or any ap bio mass untrusted with a lot more lot of things or information to do more different and different transactions in that, in a climate where previously in data security or at the top of people's minds. so that is what is the logistical challenges of putting it together? i think it's, it's a tall order, but again, like i said a moment ago, a guy that makes it possible possible. sorry. all right. i get, we've got about a minute and a half left. i can see suzanne wants to weigh in on this. go ahead again, suzanne you know, just to say, look, i agree, we should not underestimate your mom for i think you're on mosque at the same token . must not underestimate the challenges of taking on twitter and trying to manage the public square. i think he has a great deal to learn. i hope he listens to people. i think the idea of the council
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as potential, but twitter is a global plot or you know, the bread, the voices that have to be represented, understanding linguistic differences, cultural differences, and how those color, what content means on the platform, what are per, whether a particular phrase is a valid warning or, and said, could be incitement to violence. those nuances are incredibly complex. and so i hope what we see is that he takes the time to listen to learn, to engage, and to move a measured way. because otherwise we could see a lot of damage. we have an election coming up in this country, you know, 10 days from now is going to be open season for people who want to with lead people about how to go to the polls and ask their vote. is that going to be a free brawl on twitter? you know, we don't know, but that's what we need to be watching for. all right, move in a measured way. i like that sentiment for us to end the show on. so let's thank all of our guests. been a beautiful discussion suzanne, also, mat navarro, and bradley task and thank you to for to you can see the show again any time by
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