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a 149 people have died in a crowd crushed during halloween celebrations authority. so most of the victims were in their twenties. emergency workers from across south korea had been sent to the same welfare rushing as a journalist who was never seen at one point, we saw that by a brigade a trying to get through the crowd, which was very difficult. they were ambulances, police everywhere. i eventually police went on top cars to tell people to move out the way and to evacuate, and no one really understood why or what was going on. but clearly it's something terrible was unraveling out there is rob mcbride has more from south korea's capital. we are in the middle of each one is the traditional bar and then came a district of sole. if i stand back, i can you see the, this is the actual out of the way where this tragedy happened. and the whole of

each one is like this is a very congested area, with small alleyways at small streets. this was thronged by thousands of people out celebrating halloween. and this is where the president pulled it. it seems as though, for whatever reason that is being investigated, crowds converged on this one alleyway from different directions. russia says it's suspending. participation in the un broker green export deal with ukraine after tax and ships of crimea. yes, president joe biden says the move will drive starvation around the world. at least 50 people have been killed in a suicide attack in somalia as capital to car bombs exploded at a busy intersection. next several government offices has been of us how speak and nancy pelosi is recovering from surgery after being attacked inside their home in san francisco. on friday, the suspect center shouted, whereas nancy were beating 82 year old, poor pillows. he with a hammer head of iran revolutionary god,

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hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's a than in after months of uncertainty and a long legal battle. the world's wealthiest man has now taken charge of one of the most influential social media platforms. but it's not yet clear want ellen musk intends to do with twitter. it's already been a staffing shake up with mosque firing, at least for top executives. and many on the platform. speculate he'll reinstate ban twitter accounts, including that of for me. you as president donald trump, although musk says no decision has actually been made. many right wing political figures see his takeover as a wind for free speech while others are concerned. it may give rise to more hate speech on twitter. will bring in our gas in a moment. but 1st this report from kristin salumi in new york. ilan mosque appeared

at twitters california headquarters as his $44000000000.00 takeover of the social media platform was beginning to sink in. musk who'd already changed his twitter title to chief twit confirmed the news in you guessed it, a tweet on friday morning, but it's how free the bird will be, that is of most concern to users. his 1st move was to fire c. e o power a gog or wall, and top executives. it's no secret that the tesla c o thinks there's far too much censorship on twitter. there are concerns amongst people that i spoke to that people or accounts that have engaged in disinformation or misinformation or forms of harassment. bullying may be allowed to stay on the platform in a way that they previously have not. must previously said he'd reinstate former president. donald trump,

who was banned in the wake of the january 6th riots. trump responded on his own social media platform friday that he was happy. twitter is quote, now insane hands. but musk announced plans to form a content moderation council saying no major content decision or account reinstatement would happen before they met. and appealing to advertisers must tweeted that twitter obviously cannot become a free for all health scape, where anything can be said with no consequences must has pledged to follow the law of the land. but that is a concern and authoritarian countries where twitter has historically resisted calls to take down anti government tweets. some of those rules are going to need, but people in certain countries you have a very lot down version old or twitter walls. others that are much more free willing experience is going to be a minefield or him to, to operate after 9 years as a publicly traded company on friday, twitter. now under ilan mass val paperwork to have it shares removed from the stock

mark by november 8th, the 1st official sab, to going private, while some employees were terminated on friday mosque has pushed back against reports that he planned to cut 75 percent of staff, but he has not denied that big changes are ahead resources. kristin, silly me al jazeera new york, or martha says he wants to reform twitter with fewer restrictions and create a digital town square. but in response to mosques, tweet that the bird is freed the e commission of the internal market here, the brit on tweeted back in europe, the bird will fly by our rules. under the e used digital services act tack companies are required to take down a legal material including hate, speech abuse and incitement. among the many reactions on twitter, some were concerned about the functionality of the site itself saying it'll become a wasteland which will either make it more chaotic and addictive or unusable. and

many tweeted about the possible return of former president donald trump. after he was banned for life, harry littman says must could alter the american political landscape and make chaos and turmoil reign down. and many, far right political figures are welcoming mosques. takeover of twitter. ah, well let's bring in our panel now. we have in new york, suzanne nozzle, the c o of pen america, a leading human rights organization and author of dances speak defending free speech for all in carlos, we have mat navarro, a social media consultant and former digital communications adviser to the u. k. government and also in new york, bradley task a co founder at tusk. venture partners and, and a junk professor at columbia. business school will welcome to you or if i could

start with suzanne. so what do you think? will the editorial content and direct churn of twitter now change radically on the lawn mosque? look, all eyes are on mosque. when he 1st began this transaction, he spoke very broadly about getting rid of all of the guard rails for content moderation on twitter. he seemed determined to correct what he saw as political bias, and he thought the way of doing that was to dismantle all the wrong. there are some signs as the deal has gone through that he's rethinking that he may be learning. he said to advertisers, look, this camp become a free for all. how escape? he realizes that the genuine danger. and that is what would happen if you did away with all the rules wholesale. he has now that he's going to set up a council. something like, perhaps the facebook oversight board that is going to bring together diverse voices to weigh in on content moderation decisions. so i think there's some glimmer of

hope that he is dawning on that this is far more complex than he bargain or, and that a one size sweeping away of all of the rules is not going to create the environment for rich discourse that purports to want that instead it would be a kind of tower of babel were just information online, harassment, beatrice bits, we all would rate or i interesting mat, do you think then the concerns about becoming a haven for far right extremism hate speech and that this information that she was talking about, do you think that's now maybe not much of a concern or not too much of a concern as it was a few months ago? think anything of the little musket balls taking it with a pinch of salt because the man changed his mind. the weather, you know, that he said you wanted to do it with a few months ago. i already started to change the 1st few days of this transaction

going through. so i think we need to wait and see, but i do think that twitter is known to have issues with like many social media sites with harassment and bullying abuse. and i don't think that's going to change any time soon. i think some of the suggestions that you know must makes i think that the complexity of it and the impact it will have, i think he's underestimating. and if you look 2 sites like paula and 2 social trumps or platform and rumble. ready these are places that are a very profitable, be much fun to be around and see to stick around a great deal of time with the large number of people. so i think, you know, no one wants to hang around and i certainly know a large group of people are the size of twitter has to deal with this platform. so i think he's got his work out. it's going to be one of the biggest business challenges he's taking on here. all right, talking about business challenges, maybe a good point to read this tweet by guy vo, stats. he's

a member of the european parliament and he tweeted, so one man at ellen mosque now owns the biggest debate in the world. bradley, should people be worried about the influence of the wealthy. the super rich in this critical industry. perhaps for different reasons than we've been discussing so far on the whether it's where will become a house or if you already and regardless of what my price would be positive or negative, he's not know the impact of that much is going to come down to at least the u. s. new regulations that force change. but overall it seems to me that maybe one reason why must be doing this. we haven't looked at so far. busy is there is no person on the planet benefits more from hype around investing. that you on last capitalist work, $721000000000.00 market close yesterday. the real value is probably 110 fat and the rest of the picture, dustin high. but he is better than anyone else and the machine that creates the

most pictures the most hide is where. so both for customer now and space x from that goes public neuro link. in all these situations, if he can control the mechanism to keep our officially booking the price of the shares, that may be why it makes more sense for him. so there is a big business incentive. susanne, how can one ensure that there won't be an unnecessary, shall we say overlapping of motives for how social media work and in this kind of case, you know, it's difficult. i mean, these are private companies. they're not regulated today. the idea that they'll be regulated in real time here in the united states. i think it's is unfortunately pretty park patch. there are some regulations i would support. there's some regulatory proposals that i think go to bar. but the fact is, we have been politically hand strong, even though there's no sensible consensus across democrats and republicans that

something needs to be done about the big tack. the minute you get down to specific proposals, there are deadlocks, and there has been no movement. the european union, as you touched on, is moving forward in a experimental way with putting obligations on the companies to moderate content to take down hateful speech. and this information and those obligations are serious. they bear significant fine when it comes to musk stability, to promote his own business interest on the platform that may not be swept up in europe and regulation. he may be quite free to do that. and so i think that is something we have to monitor the minute you have a public square of this size and scope, that is the demand for so much of our political discourse in the hands of one man. he's got saudi investors who are number 2 on the list now in terms of the most powerful backers of twitter. and so i think there are serious political implications. there is going to be

a national security review of the transaction. although i think the consensus is that it does really pose of the issues because most because an american interesting while mat mosque says he's going to form a content moderation council. will that be enough? well, we've seen it have some, some levels of success with facebook equivalent the oversight board, but even then that's not without people. i'm having a lot of criticism of the panel in terms of like a, an able to do capable of doing in terms of the scale of the, the operation for a big social media platform. and it still doesn't get rid of the, the problems or different regulations in different countries. people from different sides of political spectrum tv that one size i'm being heard and seen more on the platform, the other. i think the, all of these problems are going to continue to exist and there's nothing that must the i can see has got to can do. it's going to change that. and i think although he's been really successful with all of the other businesses,

he's had in terms of space x and has to learn things. you know, they are very different businesses in terms of the, the mechanics of them. and the fact that it doesn't have this big human element in the middle of it, everyone has an opinion on. so i think that that's going to be really challenging. and i think you come back to talking about regulation. my maker is good to see that you and you cannot move forward with some levels of regulation, but for those that are in the u. k, are you seeing that progress being made without people? and so, fighting over whether actually now it's just a grab bag of all sorts of ideas and if she's overreaching in some areas and, and not delivering and others. so it's still a long way to go in terms of the regulation. but this is a guess on the big that he's going to have to tackle as well as things like what you do with countries like russia and, and other countries with more repressive regimes. when you look at it like that, i'm, i'm wondering, bradley is it now just a matter of time before we see a mosque, self proclaimed free speech. absolutism,

run afoul of regulators. are they on a collision walls? well, at least not in the us, because right now we really don't have any regulation. so whether musk is well intentioned or not, his counsel moderation or took a probe has an ad facebook or anything else. fundamentally can't work because the business model requires the out. twitter, facebook, any platform makes their money through advertising. advertising rates are based on the number of eyeballs, the number of clicks and whether, you know, we like it or not, toxic content, negative content drives breaks significantly more than positive content. so no matter how they want to try to moderate it to be good, it directly interferes with their economic incentives. the whole in small bradley is then got a more content of controversial, potentially on flat mation and extreme speech. absolutely, unless we do something about it right to you as a proposed,

this is come up in the u. s, which is right now. the platforms are not legally liable for content posted by use . as a result, i can defame all of you all. i want you could come after me for damages, but odds are, i don't have that much to recover. but you can't go after twitter can't go after facebook and go after picked up. once that changes, if that changes and a platform become legally liable for everything that gets posted and if they don't deal with it properly, they stand to lose billions of dollars in legal judgments. then all of a sudden you'll see real change. but just relying on the good intentions of the company, or quite frankly, the good intentions and ability of the government, the regulators, academic academics, none of that's going to do the trick mass. is it a did? that's the situation in the us. and i'm wondering it's a different situation in other places the digital services act is that actually tightening the rules and making social media platforms are going to make them,

i think in 2024 going to make them responsible for the content for hate speech, incitement, terrorism child sex abuse and so on. it's quite amazing that we're still sat here in the year that we are in 2022 and we're only now just getting the so beginnings of regulation to these platforms, i think by anyone's kind of standards and of looking at what's going on in the last 10 years and social media is clearly got some questions to answer in terms of its negative impacts. but here we are, we, we've got something on the way and the u. k. is kind of an approach to with some more broadly similar, he was slightly further ahead in terms of where they are in terms of kenya installs . but it's still a big question like the u. k, for example. and one of the things is about having legal, but harmful content in terms of things are all subjective in terms of where should they be up? should they be down? and these questions are never, you know, talking about re, to your talk about your case online safety bill. right. so that's

a big question about how you, who defines what is harmful, even if it's not legal it is an end, and that's one debate that's raging. that it's actually been delayed in the last week in terms of getting passed through the house to get it to finally put into law . but there's also questions around like age and age of protection for kids and children are still able to sign up to these platforms. and then if you actually put restrictions on platforms, so people provide id for them, then it can cause problems in other areas. so use kind of like spinning plates and turning one key in another lock closes and it is the most complex kind of business to, to enter into. and it's, none of this legislation is going to change things dramatically, but it will finally put some liability on the companies. and recently in the u. k, we've had the case of molly russell who, i'm sorry, took our life and, and in that case, it was deemed from the, the coroner's report that social media played a large part in that things need to change. but we've heard of this before. we're

now still soaking up really close enough to getting it sorted. but all of this stuff and you know, you're going to have to tackle it. i think he's going to be shocked with how much it's going to suck up on his, his, or his team's time. suzanne, i saw you a moment ago trying to get in on that. let me give you a chance to weigh in on this. yeah, i mean just to say, look what the both the you and the u. k. regulations primarily do is put the oldest on companies to erect systems and methods to moderate content robustly. and if they do that, then they do still enjoy significant shields from liability. and i think that is, that is an effort to balance the you know, what it is that we value about social media. yes, it has many, dec, negative sides. and there are harmful types of content that spread. but there's also great positive social media as a tool for informing people for exposing human rights abuses for allowing people

who are very isolated and cut off to connect and get their voices out. we can't lose sight of the ways in which social media is a vehicle at an enabler of free expression. and so what regulators are trying to do is, you know, do a kind of surgical incision that cuts away that which is so damaging and harmful while preserving that, which is positive. are they doing a good job? do you think whereas regulators in places like the u and u. k. what do you make very efforts? it's really early days. i mean, this is terra incognita, no one even not even those who run these platforms fully understand how content moves, what the implications are for democracy. how to dial up or dial back the algorithms and, and what the ramifications will be. so i think we're going to be experimenting for a long time. something else to keep in mind is authoritarian regimes are experimenting with more aggressive new laws, banning fake news,

suppressing descent. and so it's a, we could not be naive to think that all regulation is in this arena, is a positive thing. and if you had staunch regulation where there was absolute liability from social media companies for everything on the platform, you know, i do think that would be the end of the immediacy that we enjoy in social media, where you can put up whatever you want. it doesn't go through a lawyer 1st. if they knew they could be liable for it, that would change and then the, the whole modus operandi of social media and what it allows for in terms of communication and i think would be under cuts. so these are typical challenges while we're still trying to figure out the content side of things, bradley, is it clear to you that long mosque is going to make a big push to try and increase the monetize ation side of twitter? the i think she, well, i thought we should never underestimate him. is incredible, visionary, business person. but it is really hard to make twitter truly profitable if you were

to stand by 75 percent. could that do the trick? sure. but you're just totally weakening the business itself. so the 44000000000 you spent to buy and it becomes worth a lot last. so book might have a vision that none of us really understand yet. sure. you said that afford and benefit him. you probably just does deserve the benefit of the doubt, but if you think about it right now, it's where it's already not really a profitable business. i do think significant regulations are coming. definitely europe, hopefully the united states that will limit profitability further. and so it really has to be, as i was saying before, more of a means to an end to make money and other ways like artificially boosting the share price of a hassle of a space acts finding other ways to make them man, i'm wondering what do you make of the idea that twisted becomes the so per app, a place for the exchange of goods and services, not just of comments and ideas. we're talking about social media at the

moment with social media companies are in the u. s. and in europe, in terms of anti trust in terms of is that a monopoly say all that is the ability to compete. and so the idea that in the current climate, so someone like your masking twitter can start pulling together companies into one super app and, and kind of start to try and build a much larger platform with more facets to it seems like a tricky class. and but, but aside from that, you know, the idea is to practice something is coming out of a long time ago in terms of which is probably the most well known super app, if you will, of multiple kind of different apps within an app. and that does more than just one thing that you can do, buying things and news, and, and shopping and everything else. but, you know, in europe and in the us, some of the app. so she wants already are kind of part in that way already in terms of snapshot. for example, i think on the speaker has talked about pushing more towards that direction and

we've seen better these apps. they often bloated in terms of how much functionality in people don't often use. and would we want to use twitter or any ap vital, most untrusted with a lot more lot of data and information to do more different transactions in that in a climate where privacy and data security are at the top of people's minds. so that is what is the logistical challenges of putting it together? i think it's a tall order, but again, like a guy that makes it possible possible. sorry. all right. i think we've got about a minute and a half left. i can see suzanne wants to weigh in on this. go ahead again, suzan you know, just to say, look, i agree we should not underestimate your mom for i think you're on mosque at the same token. must not underestimate the challenges of taking on twitter and trying to manage the public square. i think he has a great deal to learn. i hope he listens to people. i think the idea of the council

as potential, but twitter is a global plot or you know, the bread, the voices that have to be represented, understanding linguistic differences, cultural differences, and how those color, what content means on the platform, what are per, whether a particular phrase is a valid warning or, and said, could be incitement to violence. those nuances are incredibly complex. and so i hope what we see is that he takes the time to listen to learn, to engage, and to move it a measured way. because otherwise we could see a lot of damage. we have an election coming up in this country, you know, 10 days from now is going to be open season for people who want to with lead people about how to go to the polls and ask their vote. is that going to be a free brawl on twitter? you know, we don't know, but that's what we need to be watching for. all right, move in a measured way. i like that sentiment for us to end the show on. so let's thank all of our guests. been a beautiful discussion suzanne, also, mat navarro, and bradley task and thank you to for to you can see the show again any time by

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