the left, the electronic system of voting. and so this may be the one arguments for him to claim that the election was not fair. all right, we're going to put the both in our notes. right. we're going to put the boats in our report is on hold for now because we are still waiting for a response. at this stage nobody has been able to tell us whether there is going to be one this evening if so, what it might be. so there's a big question over over that was question mark over that. let's go back to the speech. what stood out to you and what he said. i think that the main commitment of foolish to fight against hunger. this was his men commitment before his 1st election. he also claim with a peace love and hope. so his main challenge is to notify a country bits deeply defied. that's what else did he say? well, he, in the end to talk about brazilian isolation and international relations president

both so now has just a few friends. he went to law school and it was changed for to live as reports. and then he went to hungary, where he is allied to prime minister victor or burn. but the hunger is not an important country for brazil. before in economic relations, he went to the united nations general assembly, then had only 2 meetings with the presidents of what the book, which are very beautiful countries in latin america, but with which brazil has not many relations, particular economic relations and hula ones. first, the restart relationship, the south america and ben, brazil was one of the leading nations in the fight, the government trying to try. all right, nelson nelson. there was,

if i can get you to address this briefly though, because we don't have a lot of time at this stage. the defense of the amazon forest was a big point of emphasis for la. yes, of course it is. lula participate in the name the negotiations of the of the parents agreements and before that on copenhagen. so brazil has been very active since that will summit to me in rio de janeiro, 1992 in, in an environment that wishes in more in world affairs. and most present bull sonata for we have his policy in relation to the amazon right for us. all right, brazil on might relation nelson. thank you so much. i'm sorry, that was unfair. i didn't give you a lot of time for what is a big topic will have a lot more time throughout the evening as you stay with us. but we really appreciate you being with us here on al jazeera as we continue our coverage of lu,

those victory in brazil's presidential election over outgoing president, j year. both scenario latest pictures of lula as he was addressing the nation just moments ago on al jazeera to stay with us up next in sight. story. ah, the long march to his lemma. that puck is down, full. a prime minister is leading a protest from the hole through the capital demanding an early election. 6 months not being pushed out of office. does he have a chance to come back? this is inside story. ah.

the head of air, welcome to the program. i'm the clock earlier this year, pakistan's been prime minister in run con, last a crucial no confidence vote in parliament. it led to his resignation. but since then, he's been holding regular rallies as he wraps up pressure on the government to call an election bucks. tons. economy has been in crisis and people are struggling with high food and petrol prices con and his supporters and now marching on the capital is lemme, they began that 380 kilometer walk from the eastern city of the whole on friday. the government officials say they won't be allowed to enter the capital. con is facing allegations of corruption, which he denies. and he was recently borrowed from holding office for 5 years from ohio has more now from islamic m. ron cons freedom. march,

heading toward the lama bod expect arrive in islam abad. on the 4th of november. and of course the government adults are not digging any. john says they said it are credible to get it right to it, lama bought. and the protesters and dog participating in a long march will not be allowed inside its lama bod, particularly zone, enron, con shore. the government and the country epic. god. that the freedom to protest states constitutionally he of gods, will be seeking intervention of the bargain on the court in order for them to allow the march to come get some of odd data minister on the requisition. the services of the to go to do for did, but i didn't include the police and better military for the government may also on the military to come in aid of the really an administration that is not unusual

even by the governments have called the military guard delusion and islam abad. red zone. and kid dated a law and order situation that situation across the country extend. iran con, enjoyed tremendous the board and all the provinces, except for the province of then, and also below just on. and therefore did lama bodied under age. because the minute you get out of it, lama bought enron con party, that a ruling endorse particular province, said, sure, it will be a big challenge for governmental content that long march. despite the fact that iran con, had said to your data there, they will do nothing unconstitutionally. there did always follow the law and i did going to be a peaceful protest. it's my funded mental right to do a protest against these terminals who are getting rid of all the corruption cases.

it's unprecedented that you come into bob bottom and you puzzle legislation and then benefit from the, from the legislation by everyone got up and get the billions removed. so therefore, the small move to the larger movement for, right. we do want to bargain on foreign policy to be dictated from outside. we want people to dig the decisions to be taken while their benefits are. let's have a quick look at the marine cons career. he was a popular cricketer from enterprise and one that will the world against india in 19022 years later, con, set up the 1st council hospital in pakistan. in 1906, he established the pakistan to the political party, also known as the p t i. in 6 years later, he was elected to parliament and in 2018, his p t i party emerged as the largest block and the national assembly. and con, became prime minister. ah.

all right, let's get into it. we can bring in, i guess it in his dilemma bad side because he's a full minister from in run cons pci party jody is on zoom. sheila's broucher packed on a political offense commentator. and also it is about we have a job aide from an, a journalist, and parliamentary correspondent for the nation. use paper. welcome to you all job aid. i'd like to start with you. first of all, just to clarify how popular is emron cod in pakistan right now. i mean if, if there was a votes now and let sure right now when he, when the mandate of the people thank you very much. hon is no doubt is a popular leader and his popularity is you can save it described to the little landscape. is topsy turvy for lost fund year. you can say off. he was 40 doubt around to 5 and a half months before, but his popularity get off. it's ok. you can see he's getting bored,

more popularity with each putting day. now, he has built a narrative. after voting out, it was that you can see that it was foster in the history of the parliament. he was 40 doubt is the 1st prime minister in this country. his popularity get off about his book, whatever to get after he has started public meetings in different cities. valid right now, the country is in a great unit, threes per winces, but given the circumstances, he his fair bill to his narrative that he was voted out with the conspiracy. now he has started a long march. i will see it so distinct dream. no doubt. he has, he has, he has public sport be does, and there is no rented, could all fit him. we have seen many rented crowd on march,

but people are very much with him. now we will see the hall. he will, is this up on the demonstration of will he can what it is in a city, if he, if, if he thinks if it, if he, if he thinks that he will convert his demonstration into sit in ruling can leak, have decided to impose article to 44 to 45, and goals are me to tackle district and things like that. at that point, i'm just going to move on to now we can, we can get into all of this as over the next 20 minutes or so. if i could come to, you saw your desk, bacardi, what's your center, your administer in iran tons party. i'm guessing from your point of view, you're pretty convinced that he would easily win an election. should it take place now? and what do you think is going to happen as a result of this much?

well, i don't think it's that debate. think my colleague forgot to mention that we've just had to buy elections in german elections and been job in fact all over the country. we won widow with overwhelming majority both times. the latest one i think, was a sony, a couple of weeks ago men would, there was about 68 bi election got which we ended up winning a seat and many other terming it other referendum. so i think there's absolutely no debate about who went the next election based on even the 2 bi election that i've just passed. it's just a question of how big is the majority to be? hence the government at the moment doesn't one snap elections that doesn't want to call for early elections at all because looking at their results and they're tried to challenge and twice. and these pulls that up just happened the past couple of months and seen the results. so clearly they're doing everything to count from

disqualification to life, threat to corruption charges. you name it. there's nothing really left that they can tackle them on hand, the movement to the streets with the people's mandate and if at the end of the day that's all that matters is what the people of fox on one, not what any. do you know what any other circle country or policy want? it's what the people of fox on want to indeed. all right, well elections. not, of course, june until august of next year, august 2023. you say that the government does not want snap elections. shit. has put out judge you think him run kong with this march could change out. he could force these elections to be brought forward. is that conceivable? thank you very much for having me on your show. i do not know to be honest because in decisions are not meet, treat actually decisions are made behind the closed doors. foreign military

is the biggest political player, been gone for the last year and in round came into politics. and then he, his image was managed by the military again, the machine. he came to power with the help of the military. he was the guy in brown. and the military somehow had c theking and same util ideological or that actually they weren't pockets on the military. you want. it's centralized bucket bug with a strong into strong army and religion as a binding post. and the wrong can also believe in the same principles. that's why in round on and military, one of those for a long time, but they broke up their relationship well because in rome con,

wanted to fight you automate chief who is part of next month on the 29th of november. and he wanted alon, he thought he would go, by the way, and that brought it division between hon and the military. and now iran is challenging the top ross who are in control. ok, so let me like, is it just been back to the question that i do think that by conducting it by organizing this mass march, that he can create a situation whereby the elections are brought for that. there will be not elections . do you think the government could be forced into that position? i don't think so. if it doesn't get it backing from the forces that from that i mean, experience the military and intelligence. it just be your market.

i don't think so. and iran con, claim that that mean central p a that he wants and freedom from london and washington. it's an oddity around public private. it's called kevin. it was including a friend lucy body with british national and was somewhat american nationals. and one of them, his chief national security advisor, was working by the american military stablish made today the friend of both john and don't and from funny that he was independent from london and washington. okay. mr. because you need to come in the i think the call, i don't know the gentleman but where he is. i think it's quite hilarious. it was a long run, which really didn't random really come up to any of the answers that you are probably looking for. the at the end of the day, like i said, it doesn't really matter what anyone really said. it's what the masses of bucks on

one. if the mon han was removed from premier ship in bucks on due to a no vote confidence which we as a party believe was an into, was inspired by an international conspiracy. and there was a lots of horse trading that took place that people took on the street the same very night number that i've never been seen before. unprecedented numbers. this wasn't something that apart you can organize. it wasn't something that i could have done or could have done. it was just organic and the people took the streets. last 6 and a half months. you're seeing the biggest amount of numbers come out on the road, anti government, and even to an extent, upset with the army, saying that why haven't they intervened when they can see such injustice being done? especially when we go on about the cipher from the united states, which we thought was, was completely inappropriate. and it was threat issue to are sitting investor. but it's interesting. it's already about to do sure. at this point,

it's interesting that we've given the power of the army and that the ice i spy agency to take on the army. i him or i can be very critical of the army to take on the army in the way that he has publicly criticize him. it's a bolt strategy, isn't it? what do you see? it's not the army that he is criticizing the uk in its entirety. my friend that gave me his best to bits into it. the only thing that he really was correct about in role was that he is that decisions and boxed on for far too long have been made behind closed doors by 4 or 5 people that are making decisions for warner and 20000000 population than not by the mandate of the people. now we don't mind if the current government, whichever government comes into power for that matter, as long as the people of boxes have the. so if there's no problem with any of the political parties, let us be political. let's leave the army aside for one second and say politically, if you're so confident, so strong and you believe that you've done

a good job and people want you. there's no way you wouldn't want to the gym and government because right now you don't have it is political instability, economies crashing. you can't get a good economy with political instability. there's a prime minister who's only the prime minister around a 40 to 50 mile radius. ok, rest of it or you know, is all around home. i want to bring in a job to have moment in again, a journalist with the nation newspaper said americans criticisms of the army and the ice agency did force them to come out and defend themselves. we had to spite chief coming out and the fact that he did it quite unusual for him to do that shows a nervous about the situation doesn't well, as do i think in on one has opened different for france. and there is a contradiction in his a narrative right now today he is contesting by election and

45 from quorum. and at the same time he is heading long, much toward islam. but for, for snapples is it, it isn't it contradiction. my colleague, my friend is a feeble, cloudy, vill onset about this. and other thing is that if you are really interested in by election gender election, you have to you have your enjoying power in the k p, k. and also in punjab, if you choose to and blog resignation from ideas to prevent is there will be a situation that government has to an agenda election at on the i i'm, i'm confused, kept it why iran card is not opting that option is if you wanna come back,

your look as far as it goes for brushes, very genuine and legitimate question that why do we can test by elections if we're not interested in government? and we don't want to be part of the national assembly. by the way, the election he just mentioned now the one that's happening in current, the latest results are that were 3 times ahead of any other party. so we won that cedar. but the point of contesting them is that if you don't, then what happens is that their majority in parliament, they will just keep going. just proving a point in ra con, made themselves and from all the seats to the point that the country is behind hon . and if you throw any election towards us, we would win it, which we have done so. so this was just another seat which has now come up and we wanted again and just showing that the country were continuously vote for him. although he said that even if he wins the election seat, he will be attending parliament and you hand in his resignation. whenever he wants, but people are still willing to vote for him so that that means the nation is not

going for the normal politics of constituency politics. that i want my m p to make me my dam on my better street roads. they're voting for iran han for his belief and his ethos as far as it goes for why do we not? why are we participating in the government in k, p or in punjab or g b for that matter and resign? it would cause general elections if we had a full belief that it would cause general elections the very next day or soon after we would have done so. but unfortunately, impacts on the dynamics are so twisted that the so much horse trading that when you, when you resign is very easy for people to linger 3rd, 2030 and peace from your side onwards. and like to have the national assembly where we have resigned form. but right now they're in an assembly. i mean, just picture this there in a national assembly at the moment. all the parties combined except for the largest

party in the entire country. just just image that the national assembly is running right now without p t i's representation at all. so the largest political party, or the only national party in the entire country, is not in the assembly yet. there is a government that's exactly our point. ok, yes you are the authorized, although we are not sure if we can come to you to to respond to that. and also do you feel that we're like to come to you? i'll come back to you in a 2nd job, but sure. i 1st respond to that festival and then do you think we are on the brink, potentially a big change here in the way pack is done as run. i find it very amusing what those people just looking for being a bit. you know that school and living in love went for a long time. he knows that in recent months they didn't have, you know, change a civil prime minister. and they all were out of the office because of no

confidence in running on was not been out of the office. well, under a military dictatorship out of i'm constitutionally, i'm not, he was removed from office to a new comparative and the majority work against p. so he worked with the move legally and the next election is due in august. but he is not waiting for that. he's not dissolving as my friend. it's all about these not dissolving tool promises . he has to come and he, he's, i agree, dissolved to prevent the family is done, the election will be more likely. but in wrong ha, why an election immediately. and he is using this to, you know, kind of state and this is not democracy in a way that you'll use for you use bar. and you say you don't regard when the prime minister, he was not going to the that much. he was not picking parliament if he was not

interested in the bottom of the bottom. and he is someone who believes in a single person, which is almost the prison military. and now he does that. he is interested in actually does not believe in fundamentally for democracy . i mr. car, gonna come to you. it's a response to that in just a 2nd, but at 1st missed from a job at rome and you want to becoming well when people come, he has just mentioned that to pakistan. dad, he came south b t, i has no presentation in national assembly, but i will correct him. 31 law makers are representing are currently in national assembly and one of them is about should opposition, leader and other public account committee chairman. well, d, r, you can see it,

they are decedents, they are not there. and, and other 125 law makers who have 200 as a condition, i don't to 5 or 5 months before national assembly speaker has called them so many times to come and verify it. there is a condition by they are not going to it going to verify there is a condition. so there are many if 10, but how bad they are. did open notes, are saying that to date is the pressures, dear signatures are not incorrect on the range conditions. so you can see that there is no representation in national assembly. ok? so i, because i becomes you and also on that, but also on the point made by sure is that iran calm was removed from office legitimately. he is dictating what he wants. he's not being

a democrat. no. go along that quite easily. i mean, mister jarvis point some far more i think come relevant. look, mr. busy m. ron hahn is the one person that for 26 years or 24 years has set up a democratic party and boxed on single handedly not handed down from his father or mother or anyone else. he's created it himself. i don't think there's someone more democratic in the country he has. he has to, he has elections, party elections. from within, his always stood for democracy, his never complimented dictatorship. he stood with general, mature of one time and a referendum after that, criticised it because he thought he was going towards the democracy. so it's, it's a no debate about who's actually the biggest democrat, he's stood up in parliament many times on, on all issues and use parliament for the right reasons. as far as it goes, mr. job, it's point a look at the end of the day that people he's mentioning that are in

assembly they did when they're election with under the amount on and under my hands party. that's true. but like i mentioned earlier, this horse trading, the other gentleman mentioned about i think he had an issue with me being a dual national time now or not. but he had it and he mentioned england changing prime minister. so many times, if england was aware of any horse trading and money being exchanged hands for votes within the national assembly, people and parties would be struck out and not be allowed to participate in politics. her again, her can people that left us the representation that left us still sitting in parliament, all took money and they all took money and got paid and stayed in and stayed in the party. if they were so clear, why don't they resign and stand for elections independently on their own name, not on the name of them, non. hi. ok, sam, we're going to have to leave the ticket. we're going to have to leave it there. thank you. no doubt the coming days will be critical times in pakistani politics.

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