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about critical infrastructure, and we're talking about the nature of china's political and economic system and the nature of a company like costco. i think we should be a bit more cautious, especially now in a post russian invasion of ukraine world. the fact that china doesn't allow similar investments in its own ports has also been an argument against the deal for some nervousness about the chinese think. here, germany's largest, katrina, ford showed company the fear that mistakes made will be made again. but so far, the business, in fact fail handbook fee and it would lose competitiveness against other european ports without cost goes investment the port was already struggling to attract enough business. sometimes discussions are a bit exaggerated because there is a concern and, and it's an understandable concern. what has happened in the ukraine. we take the
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concerns serious, but they are minor from our perspective instead of what we can win as a society. and of course, as an economy like the chairman ones, but the whole europe as well. but other european nations have accused germany of putting their own interests. first, when it comes to china. chancellor shoals plan to take a large business allegation to beijing showing. he may be looking for more deals, while the controversy over the cosco deal has yet to come down. steadfast and al jazeera hambert. ah, hello, this is al jazeera and these are the headlines. a number of explosions have been heard in the ukrainian capital q. so who government officials say there been at least 40 strikes on monday? knees attacks come to stays after a drone attack in crimea, which russia blames on ukraine. the turkish president, meanwhile,
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says his government is determined to keep the ukraine grain deal in place despite russia's decision to pull out of the un broken agreement. the u. n. to kia and ukraine have agreed on a plan now to allow 14 ships transfer ingrained to leave turkish waters on monday through the da silva has pulled off a political come back and brazil. he's won a tightly contested presidential runoff election against the far right incumbent jaya. balls nero. hullo, one with less than 2 percent difference from his rival, it's the tightest election was to 40 years. meanwhile, supporters of incumbent, both scenarios have expressed disbelief and disappointment at the results. the far right leader has not yet made a speech, conceding the election. the death toll from the bridge collapse and india has risen to at least a $141.00. hundreds of people fell into the river. when cable supporting the pedestrian bridge snapped up, the bridge had been closed for renovations. but recently reopened. south korea's
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president has joined mourners at a shrine to the victims of a crush in soles. it's a one district insecure and his wife laid flowers at the memorial. more than a 150 people were killed in that crowd, surgeon and saturday. well, those are the headlines, rob, we'll have more news for you here after inside story. ah, the long march to his lamb of ad hoc his downfall. the prime minister is leading a protest from the hall to the capitol, demanding an early election that 6 months after being pushed out of office. does he have a chance to come back? this is inside story. ah.
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had a very welcome to the program. i'm nick clock earlier this year, pakistan's been prime minister him run con, last a crucial no confidence vote in parliament. it led to his resignation. but since then he's been holding regular rallies as he wraps up pressure on the government to call an early election. pakistan's economy has been in crisis and people are struggling with high food and petrol prices con and his supporters are now marching on the capital islamabad. they began that 380 kilometer walk from the eastern city of la haul on friday. government officials say they won't be allowed to enter the capital con his facing allegations of corruption, which he denies. and he was recently bought from holding office for 5 years from ohio as more now from his limit. but m ron cons freedom module,
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heading toward the lama bod. they expect arrive in atlanta bod, on the 4th of november. and of course the government adults are not digging any. john says they said it or credible to get it to its lama bod. and our d. protesters and dog participating in a long march will not be allowed inside its lama bod, particularly the red zone em ron con. shore, the government and the country epic. god. that the freedom to protect a constitutional, he of gods will be seeking intervention of the bargain on the court in order for them to allow the march to come to some of the minister on the deck where the services of the to go to the board. but that didn't include the police and better military force in the government may also on the military to come in aid of
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the civilian administration. that is not unusual even by governments have called the military guard sensitive installation and islam abad. red zone. and did a law and order situation that did duration across the country. extend m. ron con, enjoyed tremendous the board and all the provinces, except for the province of then. and also balloon gets on and voted lama bodied under age. because the minute you get out of it, lama bought enron, con bar de rolling endorse particular province. said sir, it will be a big challenge for the government to contend long march. despite the fact that enron khan had said to alger data, there they will do nothing unconstitutional. there. there's always followed the law . and this is going to be a peaceful protest. it's my funded mental right to do a protest against these criminals who are getting rid of all corruption cases. it's
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unprecedented that you come into the bottom and you pass the legislation and then benefit from the, from the legislation. but every well you're going to get the billions removed. so therefore the small move to the larger movement for right. we do want bugs on foreign policy to be dictated from outside. we want people to dig the decisions to be taken while their benefits are. let's have a quick look at the marine cons career. he was a popular curriculum from anthropic and one that will the world cup against india in 1990 to 2 years later con, set up the 1st council hospital in pakistan. in 1096, he established the pakistan to be a political party. also known as the p t, i. 6 years later he was elected parliament and in 2018, his p t i party emerged as the largest block and the national assembly. and con, became prime minister. ah.
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all right, let's get into it. we can bring in, i guess in islamabad site because it is a full administer from brian cons pci party jody is on zoom. sheila's project packed on a political offense commentator. and also it is about we have a job, aid room and a journalist, and parliamentary correspondence for the nation. use paper, welcome to you all, job 8. i'd like to start with you. first of all, just to clarify how popular is con in pakistan right now. i mean, if, if there was a votes now and let sure right now when he, when the mandate of the people thank you very much. con is no doubt is a popular leader. and his popularity is you can save the disguise. the little landscape is top seater before last fund year. you can say off he was 40 doubt around to 5 and a half months before but his popularity good off. it's ok. you can see he's getting
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bored more popularity with each putting day. now, he has built a narrative, after voting out, it was, you can see that it was foster in the history of the parliament. he was 40 doubt is the 1st prime minister in this country. his popularity get off about his book, whatever to get off. he has started public meetings in different cities valve right now. the country is in a great wood unit, 3 princes. but given the circumstances he, he's a fair bill to his narrative that he was 40 doubt, bitter conspiracy. now he has started a long march. i will see it so distinct dream. no doubt he had, he has, he had public sport b does, and there is no rented, could all fit him. but we have seen many rented crowd on the market,
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but people are very much with him. now we will see the hall, he will, is this up on the demonstration of will he can what it was in a city, if his, if he thinks if, if he, if he thinks that he will convert in the demonstration into sit in ruling can leak have decided to impose article to 44 to 45, and goals are me add to tackle district and things like that. at that point, i'm just going to move on to now we can, we can get into all of this over the next 20 minutes or so if i could come to pick up ricardo. what's your center? you are a minister in iran towns party. i'm guessing from your point of view, you're pretty convinced that he would easily win an election. should it take place now and what do you think is going to happen as a result of this much?
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well, i don't think it's a debate. i think my colleague forgot to mention that we've just had to buy elections in german elections and been job in fact all over the country. we one widow with overwhelming majority both times the latest one i think was us only a couple of weeks ago. men would, there was about $68.00 bi election data which we ended up winning a seat and many other terming it other referendum. so i think there's absolutely no debate about who went the next election based on even the 2 bi election that i've just passed. it's just a question of how big is the majority to be. hence the government at the moment doesn't one snap elections that doesn't want to call for early elections at all because looking at the results and they're tried to challenge and twice. and these pulls that up just happened the past couple of months and seen the results. so clearly they're doing everything to count from disqualification to life,
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threat to corruption charges. you name it. there's nothing really left that they can tackle them on hands. the movement to the streets with the people's mandate and if at the end of the day that's all that matters is what the people of fox on one, not what any you know, what any other circle, country or policy want. it's what the people of fox on want to indeed. all right, well elections, not, of course, june until august of next year, august 2023. you say that the government does not want snap elections. shit has put out judge. you think iran con, with this march could change that he could force these elections to be brought forward if that conceivable. thank you very much for having me on your show. i do not know to be honest because in decisions are not meet, treat actually decisions are made behind the closed doors. why the military
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is the biggest political player been gone for the last year and in round came into politics and then he, his image was managed by the military again. and she, he came to power with the help of the military. he was the guy in brown con and the military somehow had c thinking and same util ideological or that actually they weren't pockets on the military. you want it centralized bucket bug with a strong center, strong army and religion as a binding force and the wrong can also be in the scene. so that's why iran and military one of those for a long time. but they broke up their relationship was spoil because iran
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wanted to point out a new army chief who is a part of next month on 29th of november. and he wanted someone, he thought he would go away and that a division between and the military. and now iran is challenging the military top ross who are in control. ok. so let me get a spin back to the question that i do think that by conducting it, by organizing this mass march, that he can create a situation whereby the elections are brought forward that there will be not relations. do you think the government could be forced into that position? i don't think so. even when i doesn't get it back in from i'm see, you know, force is that from that, i mean, it is the military and intelligence it is use to states,
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marches. but this time, i don't think so. and iran claim that it is means central key is that he wants the independence and freedom from london and washington. it's an oddity that iran was prime minister office. kevin, it was including our friend lucky because we're british nationals and was somewhat american nationals, and one of them, his national chief, national security advisor was working on the american military establishment. so today, the friend, a friend of both johnson and donor trump pakistan east that he wore independent from london and washington. okay. mr. because you need to come in the i think the call, i don't know the gentleman but where he is. i think it's quite an area, it is a long run, which really didn't random really come up to any of the answers that you're probably looking for the at the end of the day, like i said, it doesn't really matter what anyone really said. it's what the masses of bucks on
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one, if the mon han was removed from premier ship in bucks on, due to a no vote confidence which we as a party believe, was an into, was inspired by an international conspiracy. and there was a lot of horse trading that took place that people took on the street the same very nice number that i've never been seen before. unprecedented numbers. this was something that a part you can organize. it wasn't something that i could have done or i could have done. it was just organic and the people took the streets last 6 and a half months. you're seeing the biggest amount of numbers come out on the road, anti government, and even to an extent, upset with the army, saying that why haven't they intervened when they can see such injustice being done? especially when we go on about the cipher from the united states, which we thought was, was completely inappropriate, and it was threat issue to are sitting in better better. but it's interesting, it's already about to do. sure. as is point,
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it's interesting that given the power of the army and that the ice, i spy agency to take on the army. i in my kind of been very critical of the army to take on the army in the way that he has publicly criticize him. it's a bolt strategy, isn't it? what do you see? it's not the army that he is criticizing the uk in its entirety. my friend gave his best to bits into it. the only thing that he really was correct about in role was that he is that decisions and box on for far too long have been made behind closed doors by 4 or 5 people that are making decisions for wonder in 20000000 population. then not by the mandate of the people. now we don't mind if the current government, whichever government comes into power for that matter, as long as the people of boxes have elected them. so if there's no problem with any of the political parties, let us be political. let's leave the army aside for one second and say politically, if you're so confident, so strong, and you believe that you've done
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a good job and the people want you. there is no way you wouldn't one of the gentleman government because right now you don't have it. this political instability economy is crashing. you can't get a good economy with political instability. there's a prime minister who's only the prime minister around a 40 to 50 mile radius. ok? rest of it or you know, is all around home. i want to bring in a job to read moment and again, a journalist with the nation newspaper and americans criticisms of the army. and the ice agency did force them to come out and defend themselves. we had despite chief coming out and the fact that he did it quite unusual for him to do that shows that nervous about the situation doesn't well, as do, i think in on fun has opened different for france. and there is a contradiction in his narrative. right? now today he is contesting by election and 45 from them. and at the same time he
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is heading long, much toward islam, but for for snap boats. is it it isn't it contradiction? my colleague, my friend as a feeble, cloudy, vill onset about this. and other thing is that if you are really interested in by election gender election, you have to you have your enjoying power in the k b k. and also in punjab, if you choose to unblock resignation from ideas to prevent is there will be a situation that government has to an agenda election at on the i i'm, i'm confused, get it why iran card is not opting that option is if you were to come back the your look,
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as far as it goes for news branch is very genuine and legitimate question that why do we can test by elections if we're not interested in government? and we don't want to be part of the national assembly by the way, the election he just mentioned. now the one that's happening in current, the latest results are that we're 3 times ahead of any other party. so we want that cedar. but the point of contesting them is that if you don't, then what happens is that their majority in parliament, they will just keep going. just proving a point in ra hon made themselves from all the seats to a point that the country is behind hon. and if you throw any election towards us, we would win it, which we have done so. so this was just another seat which is now come up and we wanted again, and just showing that the country were continuously vote for him. although he said that even if he wins the election seat, he will be attending parliament and you hand in his resignation whenever he wants. but people are still willing to vote for him so that that means the nation is not
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going for the normal politics of constituency. politics that i want my m p to make me my dam on my better street roads. they're voting for him. ron hahn for his belief and his ethos as far as it goes for why do we not? why are we participating in the government in k p or and been job or g b for that matter and resign? it would cause general elections if we had a full belief that it would cause general elections the very next day or soon after we would have done so. but unfortunately in boxed on the dynamics are so twisted that the so much horse trading that when you, when you resign is very easy for people to linger through 2030 and piece from your side onward. and like to have the national assembly where we have resigned form. but right now they're in an assembly. i mean, just picture this there in a national assembly at the moment. all the parties combined except for the largest
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party in the entire country. just just image that the national assembly is running right now without p t i's representation at all. so the largest political party, or the only national party in the entire country, is not in the assembly yet. there is a government that's exactly our point. ok, yes you are the authorized, although we are not sure if we can come to you to to respond to that. and also do you feel that we're like to come to you? i'll come back to you in a 2nd job. but sure. first of all, respond to that festival and then do you think we are on the brink, potentially a big change here in the way pack is done is wrong. i find it very amusing what those people just being a bit. you know that school and living in a long time. he knows that in recent months, bitten has, you know, change of civil prime minister and they all were out of business because of no
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consequence move in on was not been out of the office. well, under a medically shape out of the way, i'm not, he was removed from office to a new comparative move and the majority work against p. so he worked for the move legally and the next election is due in august. but he is not waiting for that. he's not dissolving as my friend. it is not dissolving to promises. he has to come and he's, he's devoted to provincial assembly. gentleman lesson will be more likely, but in wrong hog why an election immediately. and he is using this to, you know, kind of state and this is not democracy in a way that you'll use for you use bar. and you say you don't regard when the prime minister, he was not willing to that much. he will not picking parliament if he will. he has,
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you're not interested in be involved on the bottom. and he is someone who believes in a single person which is on the stomach. he has said explore many 5 the prison military . and now he tells us that he is interested in actually does not believe in following the fall democracy i mr. mcarthur gonna come to you. it's a response to that in just a 2nd. but at 1st i missed from a job at rome and you want to come in well, will people come? he has just mentioned that to pakistan that he came south b t. i has no representation in national assembly, but i will correct him. 31 law makers are representing, are currently in national assembly, and one of them is upwards should opposition leader and other public account committee chairman, when they are, you can see it, they are decedent's,
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they are not to and and other 125 law makers who have 200 as the condition i don't to 5 or 5 months before national assembly speaker has called them so many times to come and verify. there is a condition by they are not going to it going to verify there is a condition. so there are many, if sand, but they are bad, they are did open on something that did is a pressures they, dear signatures are not incorrect on different conditions. so you can see that there is no representation in national assembly. okay? so i, because i, because you and also on that, but also on the point made by sure is that iran calm was removed from office legitimately. he is dictating what he wants. he's not being
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a democrat nova alarm for that quite easily. i mean, mister jarvis points some far more i think come relevant. look, mr. m. ron hahn is the one person that for 26 years or 24 years, has set up a democratic party in boxed on single handedly not handed down from his father or mother or anyone else. he's created it and so i don't think there's someone more democratic in the country he has. he has to, he has elections, party elections, from within. his always stood for democracy. he's never complimented dictatorship. he stood with general machine one time and a referendum after that, criticized it because he thought he was going to was dep democracy. so it's, it's a no debate about who's actually the biggest democrat, he's stood up in parliament many times on, on all issues and use parliament for the right reasons. as far as it goes, mr. job, it's point a look at the end of the day that people he's mentioning that are in
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assembly they did when they're election with under the amount hon and under my hands party. that's true. but like i mentioned earlier, this horse trading, the other gentleman mentioned about i think you had an issue with me being a dual national time now or not. but he had it and he mentioned england changing prime minister. so many times. if england was aware of any horse trading and money being exchanged hands for votes within the national assembly, people and parties would be struck out and not be allowed to participate in politics. her again, her could people that left us the representation that left us still sitting in parliament, all took money and they all took money and got paid and stayed in and stayed in the party. if they were so clear, why don't they resign and stand for elections independently on their own name? not on the name of them, ron. ha. okay stan, we're gonna have to leave that ticket. we're going to have to leave it there. thank you, will no doubt the coming days will be critical times in pakistani politics. thanks
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