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is it time for a new approach? this is inside story. ah. hello, welcome to the pergola. the whole rahman relations between democratic republic of congo and rwanda, have hit a new low. the colonies government has expelled, ruined, and ambassador. it's long accused. golly, of supporting the m 23 rebel group in the north keyvi province in the east. fighting between rebels and the congolese army has intensified in the past few months with fighters capturing 2 towns last week. the united nations is urged m. 23 to disarm unconditionally. in august, a u. n. report found evidence. everyone does military supporting the rebels, but the rwandan government has repeatedly denied the accusations. the conflict has

displaced nearly 40000 people in a week. well, don't require much. asked william, there was 1 o'clock in the morning when we heard gunshots after which fled, because the situation was getting so bad the shot, the museum boom. the m 23 fighters were raining bullets all over. i've been h. that's why we had to escape to stay alive. we wanted the authorities to find somewhere to live. we've got nothing to eat because they fled with nothing. and here we all with the children on the road. the conflict has triggered protests in the eastern con glee, city of goma and capital of north keeper. province people denounce the president of wonder and uganda, which is also accused of supporting him. 23 rebels and some coal for rushes. help saying gears of western interventions have failed them over because we need put in here and congo because we are disappointed with the united states for 60 years. we have been in the u. s, but there's no infrastructure. the army still wanted yesterday,

and infinitely did army. we are suffering. and is it was or was that we know how one constant so now we up on the march 23 movement, $2.23. as it's known as the congolese revolutionary army. it's a rebel military group based in the eastern areas of democratic republic of congo, mainly in the province of north key, through its leadership is made up of members of the ethnic group. they say that aim is to fight enemy groups sounded by hutus, who fled rwanda. after the 1994 genocide, the rebels merge with the congress army under 2009 p steel. but in 2012 they said the agreement had not been upheld and broke away. naming that group and $23.00 more than $100.00. 20 of the rebel groups operate in the region.

the well it spring in august in the rwandan capital k golly as get a net and garbo a lawyer and political analyst in london, a kito dongle, more president of the congress exiled government and internal burg in the netherlands. is felix the hinder research on conflict? peace and justice in africa's great lakes regional will welcome to all of my guests . can i come 1st to you, felix, into the book in the evidence to get a neutral view. what we've seen demonstrations against rwanda by people in congos city of goma. i mean, why are these demonstrations any different from those before them? i'm not quite sure where that would be very different. you have a lot of upside rhonda optimists in in come up with exactly which is very cold or not. and if we remember already,

some we had in early june. so for the last couple of years we had quite a number of strong demonstration. all of those leads to kind of activities going on . we have hard to activity funding impacted to governments with allocation of post, run to supporting and reach. so in the pocket when turning your box very good point on a truck. so these are very different. so i guess i look at these rather i and other oriented cycle of violence. we the closer the voltage in consequential order to be that population. well, let's go to london and, and to ocoee to toggle. i mean, if it is such another cycle of violence, mister turn go, well, how bad is the situation in the east of congo to the people that you're talking to there right now. thank you so much robin. this is very necessary to provide to mention it's very transiting difficult time for us companies. people

we've been so kind and welcomed or in a, in our country there. one days we welcome them to be but it must have been a big majority of upper run. the city then go out and really are willing to go back to the one that didn't. they're going to, congo it is, find a peaceful place to pay. well, i'll come generation of them and what is happening now. the government, especially poker graham, is using the british commonwealth every because remember the army now the trend of the people in the united don't be using those people now to kill it's holding always stitches and in conduct speaking. now more than 2000 people have the place from the house, they're going to have a country or some people live in a forest. just a moment. young people can go to school. we say criminal movement growing up by small group of people call them step m 20. pre everyone, be the government fully supported by government, run this army. they've been in a st. the quote, killing ordinary companies, people and a very thanks for this message development. and i believe the british people and

the people around the global one, using the in pretty and a power given by british for them to be member commonwealth, to kill civilians and a weak country, much as table political movement. one ok. let me, let me just stop me there. allow august in kigali get to nothing got to come into. you've heard what august in london has said that this is all inspired and supported by the british and it will pull, cook armies, fault. how do you respond? right, so that is speculation i want, i would rather not respond to that. speculation. and this type of rhetoric is what is fueling is a demonstration that you, that you mentioned you are looted. and also when this gentleman says that the d s was, will coming to london, refugees, he's the ease. ease is being disingenuous. the anthony 3 are not random.

and nobody welcomed the congolese. they leave on their asses to lance in the d. c. they live on these land for more than 4 centuries, and they are older than coal itself. as a country. these emily to be grouped, they are not random. they may speaking around, that they may look like rundowns. but when the borders were being divided in 1885, they suddenly found themselves as part of the congress country. they are not once they speak in iran, that they may look london, but they are comalies. now these amalgam, or saying that we work on refugees. these people where they are much, much earlier though, as early as any other indigenous community in the, in the eastern part of the d. s. and are fighting today because they because deaf got their comedians struggled to be accepted by the likes of my colleague who's speaking now and calling them refugees. that's why their family is not yet. and have lived in refugee camps in rhonda and uganda for 3 tickets,

not 3. the kids of the binding to return home demanded that i fell on deaf ears until now they were compelled to pick up arms to fight. so they can compel the government of the d i. c, and negotiate and allow their communities that have been lavish needed to come to the tunnel. okay, mr. darren. gov i, i'm going to go back to a felix the hinder in till bug because obviously the conversation of what's going on is multi layered. it's about as nicety, it's about geography. it's about language in its about cultures, certainly in this part of the world. and we will talk about that a little bit later in the program. let me just bring it up to speed in terms of the 2009 p steel that was reached that failed in 2012. what do you think the underlying issues there as to why the groups could find a p steel? mister the hinder but that it all sort of fell apart. why?

i mean much of it or it. if i was to pick one word in terms of why we keep having a sack of violence and i'm constantly repeating adjusted, i would really more talk about wants to reward being enforcement. most of it comes ready to enforcement, which has always been like if you have had quite very many, ah, in track on what is dialogue between the government and i'm groups many adverbs, by the way, keeps always being repentant. last 2 weeks. ah, that un did issue a report of human rights validation in all of is focused on provinces. it, tory enough people saw people wanting anika. aunt is a very important always to keep that in mind, that it, violet doesn't. human rights are very much multiple. in fact, and friendship re, was among the lowers according to that you read reports, which doesn't justify anything, but it's a very important point to keep in mind. so, but much of it really, whether we are talking about domestic issues, the government has hot arguing meetings in gama in 9 will be in that. the savvy

bowery, i'm to ropes. there were arguments that made but enforcing them. it wasn't post partially or never in force at all. that's one thing. on the 2nd is ready. the culpability is of the forcing your pot lay out lied and it will pull. it will read them. i'm part of the blame sometimes stamped a bit so quite an absurd, typically. still pockets. supposed it troubles i'm the combo and pongo. best gotten it to any government in place in congress as the responsibility to protect seniors or not provide for the basic mates. by that being said, that they have the issues of cooperation around a global community, the national guardian stand up edges of the un, russell regional campus. ah, depending on the politics of moment on the moment, thou always been weaknesses in enforcing any given arguments. a great. i'm because of that, then you tend to get always when your to violence renewed belligerently by diverse armed ropes, which

a diverse published by gender of many of the issues i've always remain constant over the last reading. there's more on it. how can i bring in a key to here, obviously the, the, the, the, the dfcs government to order the rwandan ambassador to leave. rwanda is stated as saying that they regretted, i mean, do they regretted his or is that any room for the new for in terms of tall king or all reports like this that also to by the u. n. a sticking point in any starting point for conversation. i think robert and he says very crucial point to be talking now my people and it is to my country. they've been a victim of a number of trustees. and what i had of, from a to, from run days, a very shame that somebody tried to manipulate the story in international media by fabricating things that know correct the history of clinical. but when you had independence, we had to monitor 850 to try the oh, well organized, try be we welcome far enough from the one run has been

a very his table countries. and he con no denied that we have a group all run these. most people want to go back now because the focus is still being up for them. people who call themselves democratic a for support. liberation for wonders is that i want to they are not willing to go back to congress. welcome to we have them in the country. and it is a story where one has been mighty black and international community like i had it from somebody from a lawyer, one those manipulating the story is a very, very heavy case. here we talking about people's lives in very serious allegation from somebody from the valley thinking international is just there are people who are listening. when do you have your point of view says so to focused in one, let me let me bring it. let me bring in, let me bring, gave me a story to say thank you for being on. no one didn't finish my point to go into

up the top is a very serious comment. you met in a to national television about misleading people with spectrum it's, you know, you don't have evidence of that. ok, you're going to go back to the history. we welcome to run these people. as a refugee, you'll be in a table nation for years. you're getting yourself, we've got history channel study in your country. we see people know like each other at the new set up, an equivalent we welcome you. we accepted you. that's a place you got a sec open. now you are using this on this choose a by killing companies, people you know, to talk. because you have a support from united kingdom. you can get in a sense of providing enough support including and it different training to all the groups. and, you know, you actually mentioned the british, i'm going to bring again, let's bring it to you but you know, but i want to bring in during golfer here to actually respond to what to go over said that, you know, you beat the ruined have been disingenuous. i mean,

poca got me has tweeted on monday that he's wants to hold discussions with the un security un secretary general antennae good terrorist. he too wants to discuss the ongoing rise intentions of to deescalate tensions. he says, what should we read that into this conversation between the secretary general and the president in kigali? many, both of you said one of them are, as you can see, my good it is trying to sanitize a group called he called horse of run the liberation if dealer now it is true, this area is it will be combo. and indeed, we've been pointing out that the d r. c government, the army is working alongside these group. and as you can see us from, i believe they believe this is a legitimate now do that in a group that difficult, that is trying to make legitimate is on the un least as of their organization is only everyone. some of these leaders are being tried international course. so this

is actually a group of people, remnants of people who commit the genocide in rwanda. where did she did? fled to the r c and continued to attract to the communities in the us and from my colleagues statement. indeed that he's willing to continue working with. and this is the primary quarter of that one that has with using the support of the d. s. c. these shells, bones owned, run them, $32.00. so run that keeps asking the d as in dog, calibrating if dealer which is internationally recognized as if there are genocidal organisms. okay, let me get i can see i guess didn't come into attending. come know what to do. you have to does the teacher said his mistake attended? as a very serious allegation. you one does have to talk about what to do with people was seeking protection in our country. you speak, there's an international committee to you speak to our lawyer. can you see how you people breaching the route you have to,

does city even an international community to minimize the value of another nation by imposing them or you want them to do as a serious allegation? those people don't want to come back to your country because you're targeting them, you're killing them. the majority and everyone has a track record, killing those people to including the to t. i was in court with many, one of these people, critical people. you really wanted to teach, we welcome you. we accepted you in our call. this is all you gotta do for people. how many years company people have to be killed. ok, because we are helping you. you've been given enough support from united kingdom and a common to up know you minimizing it's about you. if you're going to walk, you know, to how the countries are killing other people. and we, according come on to walk in clinic, british people to listen to this, the supporting the war, criminal country in the folk, the government, including yourself, contended. you don't see the value of protecting, you know what his goal is. people deserve a better life. and our mission of deliver the omni, you know, border you, can you do this cruises to kill companies you fabricated?

let me just bring, you know, let me just bring, let me just bring and see if you have a truck recall, let me just bring it in here to book. obviously you're hearing both sides. felix and it's very polarized each side, whether they are pro congo or pro wonder how their own point of view, endless cycle of violence at the media that the us has tried to mediate how difficult is its position. now if the, if the international community are not listening and not coming to the aid of the very civilians that are actually the victims and all of this on those border areas, it is very difficult to keep in mind. of course, it's a toys, very disappointed coma compared to mont allies. the discussions about security is on the l. c. keep in mind about the loss of others and probably you hot on this and channel. why around demonstrations against the un presence. i in that yasu, ah,

you ha, what one of the biggest you at present? so you, that the global globally speaking in his idea sapiens just in general. but he has been quite, very difficult to, to, to, to find a solution. because the issue isn't going to lead on many issues that require but to some kind of large investment, bad diverse actors at different levels to tackle the issue. i keep or saying that there is a need for really a comprehensive where's looking at different things. keep in mind to the fact that we are talking about is security in north keeble today, but that part of the country, beth, again on the report from the un there, which my rights board that i was quoting at the beginning of these composition least violations by several dozens of armed groups, which i feel very much active. so disarming, all of those groups, including and $23.00, of course, should be a priority for any arctic, including the companies that are post pro, so hot, not smooth, global,

regional ottawa. i'd be happy at luanda kind of roadmap for peace. the i've been in a row beach communicate which of us use the military and political solution. all of those, if they want to be taken seriously, won't be beginning little of finishes at least. but do you never have a solution when you address want to see were issues that are issues the hot been linking around for the last 30 plus years that needs to be address at the local level of belonging, identity, blonde related issues and belonging, but also got that all regional issues iran, as we are speaking of both rhetoric about rhonda jesse. but keep in mind that as we're speaking, that our brute force isn't in the hope that'll solve people operating. we then detention of the call is government and you got on force is operating again, it's ed yet. okay. all of these are a factor that you need to keep in mind in looking at the solution. how that even more comprehensive in bringing back last piece that moralist are your it's been for

our communities involved show good in those are moralist rejected. let me just bring in mr. tonga, there are many elements that in many issues to bring. let's just, let's just talk about the demonstrations. we've seen over the weekend, and about the approaches to international mediation. let's just take this conversation in, in a different direction as well. that as you say, you're not very happy with the british. the french in the region of also left in parts of marley and chad because of other relationships with our sub saharan africa . and we saw in the demonstrations that the weekend, the call for russia to get involved by some members of the public that were on the street. there. mr. tango, if you're not happy with western powers, and you're not happy with the un. is there a role for russia? i think that's not what i think people are in a congo to have no choice out of mom and they're looking away at all. but i can tell you how to finish this war is going to be to minute if for example, arson has done a stock of promoting to rhonda and

a british going to stop supporting grandara, giving them the arms and also supporting them as a member common to walk the end of the walk. we don't need to russia it to minutes . ok, i'm calling british people to listen. 1000000 people been killed because they are supporting the one that s all. and i'm very sorry i have to pinch disrupt that. when mr. content that mission, we have to recognize them on the, on the different type of both performing that to the one that's been in the center of killing kimberly's and also supporting m. 20 pre boats and as evidence. but he's a lawyer, i believe you know, to try to stop bolt if he never come up cross doc, i'll be more than happy to send him to get it. also, we hope to make it clear, what is the future strategy on it piece origin. the origin, our president, mr. up to 2nd, he has a try his best to find a way, a peaceful way to find a way for the school. it has never been a solution because of rhonda is still using the same for you. why?

because the final word to me, well, let me get you on the printer to get mr. garbo all his say he got all these comments. you know, it's a very heated subject, but i want to ask you whether international mediation is required to try and solve the problems between the 2 countries, between kigali and kinshasa. because obviously the 2 capitals need to start talking to each other, don't they? regardless of what's going on, it's obviously very heated, is obviously displacing thousands of people in the region. and the 2 governments need to talk to each other. don't they face to face me some more data that no, no, no can cheat. a problem between 2 countries or a problem with within countries is not so, but for in our interference, we have them. one is called there, which is made of several other countries. they haven't solve the problem. and also

this gentleman is speculating too much about the th street then france un and so by the problems of the d. c. and the solutions are of the i see a we did. yes. that did the month, a simple m $23.00 means means march 23rd, 2009. it's an agreement that says all come release speaking. hi, randa wayne refugee comes in uganda and randa dun, home peacefully. all soldiers of into the 3 must be mobilized and be integrated into go. what is i me and others, the movie nice community run look right. you under speaking communities that are actually gone, what is to come? what is citizens must be accepted and discriminated against? there has been lack of political, we did the as the, has been good skim coating. rwanda and i had to, wilma push the envelope to get a good thing. the pin and everybody,

what they really did. yes. is that remember what my colleagues, felix was trying to say is the following. when you see reports of human rights violation did yes, c, l 23 and a one does to deficit is m 23 is the least violent. the most violent group idiocy today is the common is andy followed by f dealer, which is a group medical journal said connected triggers that are working hand in hand companies. i'm not even big gay and you there communities, government accept that you can speaking. hi, rhonda luke, rhonda in actually be communities because they bought that when it was being divided. it was that arbitrary without considering where people come through and did. yes, he understands that there will have county and then oh good, good, good, wonder and obvious is good looking be you can't get one thing that he was in the young man and i listed there and god, oh, we do have to leave it because obviously this is a conversation that is going to go on for

a very long time. we can't solve it in half an hour, but i do appreciate all of my guests for joining us from k garley london until burg . thank you to gatti nevin garber or key twotango and felix to hinder. thank you as well for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website at al serra dot com and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter, where at ha, inside story for me to her robin and the entire team here in the or thank you very much for your time. and your company. ah, ah.

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