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the anti racist research. a professor historian, scholar new york times bestselling author of how to be an anti racist than anti racist baby is new york mix fan. can't be good at everything. and also a girl dad. doctor a bram x candy. here to have you on the street. lovely to have you here. we're going to be talking about your work, the challenges of spreading anti racism and the tools you used to do that out. i'm going to start with a brand new book called magnolia flower, which is a children's book, which says so much, but also tells a beautiful story. how would you describe it? well, let me thank you so much for having me on this. this is a love story like magnolia flowers is about an, an afro indigenous girl in florida who is prevented from, from, from love in and finds a way to, to,

to fall in love and maintain her love. but it's also a story about nature that the love story is told from a mighty river to a dancing brook. and an end magnolias parents, one fled the trail of tears when native people were forced off their land and, and another fled slavery. and so she, there's this historical element as well, in this love story. there's so much in the book if you go a little bit deeper. i remember when i was reading kits books and when i re read them as an adult, i realized that there was so much vina phobia and jingo estate behavior that i hadn't noticed as a child. but when i read back as an adult, i was horrified. so what we give a young stick to read is going to be so formative. so what are the lessons that i little one is not going to notice immediately, but when they grow older, it's going to impact how they see the wild. i think what's striking about

magnolia flower is this girl grows up in what's called a maroon community. these are, were communities during the em, slaven era where black and native people who fled slavery, or even settler coils em informed their own sort of these islands of free, within this best sort of seas of slavery. and you would think during these arrows of enslaved men and, and subtler coil is on bed, everything was, was pain and bad. people did not find love. but what you find in magnolia flowers, despite the pain and the violence. magnolia flower finds love in its dead love that actually generates the resistance of people to those harmful and oppressive conditions. i am going to be talking to thought to if ram x kennedy about his work, his writing, his approach to anti racism. and you could be part of that conversation as well.

well on you chip where i live right now. the comment section is, are right here for you to jump into and be part of today's show of i am looking at some of the books that you have written. and for young people that's not even magnolia flower. but if we go back free, some of the other work good night racism, how to raise an anti racist stamps. the kate's racism, and to re simpson and you and it goes on and on. if you live in america, you realize that these titles might be triggering for some americans, and they get upset that with young people without she anybody. that there is a way to look at the world that says we can do better. we don't have to behave like this to each other because we look different. how do you cope with that push back to what you day. i think unfortunately, the pushback is,

is based on an idea that's been disproven. and, and that idea that i'm talking about is, is that young kids don't seek color, don't see, race aren't thinking better or worse about people because of the color of their skin that they're innocent in that way. and unfortunately, that's just not true. scholars have consistently documented all over the world that our kids as early as 3 and 4 years old, or already attaching behavior to skin color, already thinking that people have more because they are more. and so what are we doing to counteract those ideas and m m? that's one of the reasons why i am specifically writing for children because i want every child to know that there is nothing right or wrong about them because of the color of their skin. and if there is any quality, it's not because a particular group is superior or inferior. i want every child to be able to see

their skin color as part of the, the human rainbow and, and, and be able to see its beauty just as they see. the beauty of humanity only sights tracy back. so she's an old fat and a professor, and she made a comment about how you make it easier. the parents to talk to that children at that racism. hislip. i, dr. kennedy's work to shape the teaching of our children through the recent movement of parents willingness to unlock and re learn. dr. katie's work as, as by a parents to be more reflective and thought, oh about their own live experiences and how those experiences really influenced the way that they show up his parents. many parents are more open to have the hard dialogue about being anti racist. and to have those dialogues with their children, very different from the way that they were raised with their own parents. wow, and indeed that's precisely what i'm seeking and striving to do it. and if anything

i, i'm trying to encourage parents and give them the tools to recognize that just as it's important for us to, to actively teach our kids, to be nice to share, to actively teach our kids about stranger danger, to actively teach our kids to look both ways before they cross the street, it's also important to teach our kids to, to be anti racist and that it's actually protective for them to know and understand racial equality. so that when i do years try to convince them. otherwise, they can say no, that's wrong. i know we're all equals compensation on. usually that was sad. what anna is thinking and she says it's very naive to think that kids won't reflect their parents prejudice or they environmental prejudice. one example, if you say, i know we've all heard little children coming out with things or you think, well,

we know they had that from that parents. what if you have, what is the scene where i can remember my, even my, my partner, my, my wife city, her sheets. she tells a story when she was about 15 years old. and she grew up in albany, georgia in southwest georgia. and she was walking a long day in area looking for her dog. and she looks up at a balcony area and sees a child at about 2 or 3 years old. and that child is glaring at her in that child calls her the n word. and, and, and so, and, and, and so, and course i wish we could all figure out where that child not only heard the word, but heard who to say it to. and i'm only her who to say it too, but say it in a mean way. i mean, and our children are soaking up what we're doing or saying that's why it's important for us to be diligent about how we're modeling our in our certainly what

we're teaching. this is uses a phrase, the caea is unusual. she's watching us right now. she is, is a phrase which has got a lot of debate, can it's discussion around this phrase that you see as, as children ah, colorblind. well, unfortunately, scholars have shown that there's earliest 3 years old. our kids have what one scholar called in a don't like concept of a brace. other scholars have found that for instance, in the united states, our kids are attaching when they went there attaching sort of darker skin to ugliness, to it's honesty to other behavioral traits. ah, by 5 years old. oh, even more kids are doing so. so unfortunately, even though we like to think of our kids as color blind, scholars and scientists have consistently shown that that's just not true. yeah,

even little brown and, and black children see brown and black as a bad thing. oh, it had texture as a bad thing in a tiny little chinese. yeah. you have parents who of, of brown and black children who will tell you about that day when their child came home and said, i want to be white or their child co came home and said, i want blue eyes or their child came home and said, i wish my here was straighter. that's happening right now. and those kids are 345 years old. all right, so what do we do about this? well, we actually have to counteract these are, these are ideas like i think we've been misled into believing that a racist ideas just too complex. yeah. for our kids to understand. but you know, an idea dark is ugly. that's a very simple idea that even

a 2 or 3 year old can understand. so we have to actively teach our child. ah bet dark in light or beautiful. because unfortunately they're going to hear a different idea we want. the 1st idea that they hear is to is to be that anti racist idea. donald l calling for 15, profess at loyola university. and he, he told me that the complexity of the societies that we live in and how do we even tackle that hugeness of racism that surrounds us. noticing that you asked, but i am many parts of the well, this is what he told us area. good question. for you to day or so how you conceptualize term braces saw and how you suggested. since we all have races sauce, there were all close it somehow and the only terms of interpersonal air vigil races . but in the systemic racism, bastrop crossed millions upon millions of people over the last half of ammonia. so

how do we fight systemic racism? not just individual racism, but systemic racism when, how we're all compose them. something that really has an impact, mostly on people who are not might that's the, the, the, the very question that i was actually asking myself. and indeed, people were, were asking me what, which ultimately led me to really begin to emphasize to took people over the world . that we have to think about how we can be anti racist. what that means is, instead of thinking about, okay, i don't want to be racist. we should start actively thinking about how we can be anti racist. what i mean by that is, how can we go about internalizing ideas of racial equality?

how can we go about recognizing that the racial groups, despite the ways in which they may look different or even different ethnic groups that are racialize, may practice different cultures? how can we see difference as equals? how can we begin to see the problem is bad rules as opposed to bad people? this is enough taken an affirmative stance to begin to understand and internalize racially quality. and beginning to understand that inequity is the result of, of structural racism which then will allow us to focus on eliminating structural rakes racism as opposed to spending so much time looking down at different groups of people. is this an individual i a thinking is, is how it i set out my day and i, i approach my day in this way. this is my view point on the world to make sure that i'm being anti racist. or is this something that we have to ask of politicians and

governments and school buddies? actually think it's both. i think if we, as individuals are being anti racist, then we're gonna value people in positions of power who are being anti racist because for instance, if, if, if we are being anti racist and we don't look upon black and brown kids as intellectually inferior. and we see black and brown kids are not receiving as much resources as let's say white kids. we're going to see that as a problem. and then the next step is going to be like, we're gonna start asking people in the, on the school board and politicians and others. why this and equity and resources. so in a way, because we're, you, as individuals are being anti racist, we're going to compel people in positions of power are tend to be anti races to, oh, will woke him out. and he says he, some of the thoughts that happening online. and some people are saying that if you

are calling out racism you yourself a racist, i am sure that's not the 1st time that you've had that. what is the difference? that's equivalent to saying that a that a physician who has been trained to diagnose cancer and has utilized a whole bunch of diagnostic tools to be able to clinically diagnose cancer that that when they then go about diagnosing cancer, as, as a physician did with me because i had cancer that somehow they had cancer. no, i think unfortunately we don't 1st recognize that racism exists nor do we recognize that there are people who are. busy skilled and trained in identifying and describing in diagnosing indeed racism and. and so i think that there are, there are people who,

who imagine that racism doesn't exist. and that the real racists are those who are essentially, ah, speaking about something that doesn't exist. but unfortunately, when you look out at all a b inequities and disparities in our societies, that's proof of racism. they can't sass, as he's watching this conversation, are we still going to give power to the media? and can you on and on talking about race? it isn't a race issue in all caps. it's quite humbly, an educational matter. the media will continue to split us that blaming the messenger. well, i think that it's actually both in other words. so there are people who right now believes that let's say nations are asked nations in africa disproportionately impoverished because there's something wrong

with with african people. ah, that nations in europe disproportionately wealthier because there's something superior about our people in europe. and they believed that because of the media because of education because of what they have been told over the course of their life. and, and of course, we have to counteract that. we have to make sure that people recognize that europeans are not indeed superior to africans. and they say right, sent a question t just a few hours ago and she wanted to ask, well, where do we go? what is the point of the work that we do? if we are working towards anti racism hitches? the only thing wrong with black people is that we think something is wrong with black people. back to candy. thank you for your service. that quote, was a quote from your book stamp from the beginning that i used in 2020 came out. do come to you today through the lens of

a black mother who was an educator rating to joyful, peaceful, brilliant, powerful black children. when you think about your work and becoming the anti races, do you see that as the destination? or do you see that as an indicator towards the path of becoming pro black or for black children in all aspects of the work that we do? actually i see it as, as a weather station, i don't necessarily see being anti racist as, as the destination. i see it is almost a journey. and what i'm hoping is, as people move along that path, i guess black people strive to be anti racist. the more they are anti racist, the more they will value themselves, the more they will value black people, the more they will fight for the liberation of black people. and the more they will fight for the liberation of human kind. knowing that if they liberate humanity,

they'll liberate black people. you know, that is, that is the hope and, and indeed i'm, i'm thankful for, for, for educators like, you know, who are on this journey. i am thinking about where we are in the united states right now. i'm sitting in washington dc. i'm thinking about the u. s. and how in the past few months, the past year books have been a battle ground books with ideas, books about anti racism, books about being inclusive for all different kinds of children or different kinds of people and on the list of banned books. you your books papa quite regularly in january out as you did this report. i am, i'm just intrigued by the last comment. you're here in this report and just bounce off the back of the current atmosphere within which you are working. let's take a look at the report festival. a bottle is waging at school boards across the

united states. i'm sure we've got hundreds of people out there that would like to see those books before we burnham books deemed to be sewing division in the classroom by republican control. boards are being reviewed by authorities. some are being removed from the shelves. i don't know that any advocate has been working on ah, tracking or paying attention to the freedom to read. can recall the time when the same book was removed or targeted with such the tree all and haste. in so many places all over the country at once. ah, and then the involvement of politicians, state legislatures, governors. this is categorically differently. this is next level. it is, it is next level and, and indeed at the same time it's, it's indicative of other periods. and in american history, i can remember as the abolitionist movement in the united states started to grow in

the 18 thirty's. one of the ways in which enslavers responded to the growth of the abolitionist movement was the ban. abolitionist books was to ban anti slavery books was to prevent people in the south from reading about the horrors of, of slavery for prevent people from being inspired by abolitionist text. indeed, during the civil rights movement, there were efforts to ban books as well. and so, unfortunately, recently as we start to make strides towards equity and justice in this country, one of the ways in which there has been a reaction to prevent that, you know, has been the banning of books. that in some cases, at the source of those drives, well, i find educational and informative about your work is that it's backed up by

academic and scholarly work as well. you're not just writing your opinion, not just wanting your take as, as a man of color in america. for instance, if you go to magnolia flower at the back of the book as a historical note, and there's an all fist note. and it's something that common noticed when she wanted to ask you a question about your movement from one part of your work to another part of the work and how it informs the book. he says, doctor kennedy, in your book, you write about the shift making the shift from doing research for research to actually having your research be used to improve policy. could you talk a little bit about that transition and shift for you professionally? sure, i mean, as, as a, as an academic, as, as someone who, who earned a ph. d. in and to many cases, we are taught that the audience of our research or other academics

that we're seeking to really advance the field itself and simultaneously advance our careers in the process. but i realized that at least for me, that wasn't enough, that that i wanted to produce what i consider to be public scholarship. what i mean by public scholarship, is it scholarship that is just known by the public but, but, but scholarship that can literally impact the lives of the public and in order for scholarship to impact the lives of the general public and has to be accessible. you know, people have to be able to consume it regular every day, folks. and, and so i'm committed to that type of work. just looking at some of the events that you may not even speaking to people and talking to the public and reading your books and enjoying your work. what is that like to see people in a 9 waiting to hear you speak? what does that say about you as a professor?

scala historian, a go, dad. what does that mean? t? i mean, i, i, i try to, to focus on, you know, on the work. i am certainly honored that that people are interested in, in coming to, to, to hear me speak or to read my books. and i, but i'm also honored to be part of a larger community of writers and thinkers and scholars and activists. interest every like human beings who are striving to create a different type of a world, you know, for our children, for, for, for elderly people, for us. all and, and so i, you know, most, you know, is certainly, is, is, is, is touching. but at the same time it almost inspires me, you know, to do more. and it also causes me to remember that i'm just part of a larger community. i'm just one scholar, you know, who's just trying to do this work. that's abraham ex candy. thank you so much for

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