overall, he'd believe this is the right way to open up the system to everybody, all the very 5 users and get the thing. and his main thing is to just going to get, let it be a free for all town square. one of the problems with twitter is it's a great service for everybody except for the company. they're not making money, it has a revenue problem. it has a monetization problem. so i think the money needed to be made somewhere, and this is the right approach. he needs to see if it works and people will come back. it's a very popular platform, people who matter people who wants to stay and engage in a dialogue. i think they will come back. so initially, lot of appreciate people dropping out coming in there is going to be some pluck. there's going to be some movement around in the next few months, call it, but then the dust will settle in the end, the platform's power will come out and he will been out in the long run. but of course, the counsel, the moderation counsel that he's setting up that needs to be effective with a lot of things that need to be done. but the depth is right,

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. 8 to fight and 22 rebels that comes after the un mission withdrew its troops from a major military base in the east, where the rebels are trying to advance protest. is that fine to you? and vehicles in the city of m. 20 rebels voted you offensive in october and cease control of 2 major towns on saturday. and you can watch more on that story from the inside story with me on the other side of the break. and i'll be back with more news again in half an hour to stay with us. a weekly look at the world's top business stories from global markets to economies and small businesses. to understand how it affects our daily lives in counting the cost on outages in the democratic republic of congo has expelled the rwandan ambassador. it accuses kigali of supporting rebels in the east . fighting has displaced thousands of people. the why is it been difficult to end

the conflict? is it time for a new approach? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm still robin relations between democratic republic of congo and rwanda. have hit a new low. the colonies government has expelled the rwandan ambassador. it's long accused. golly, of supporting the m. 23 rebel group in the north keyvi province in the east. fighting between rebels and the congolese army has intensified in the past few months with fighters capturing 2 towns last week. the united nations is urged m. 23 to disarm unconditionally. in august, a u. n. report found evidence. everyone does military supporting the rebels. but the rwandan government has repeatedly denied the accusations. the conflict has

displaced nearly 40000 people in a week. well, don't call my gym, asked william, there was 1 o'clock in the morning when we heard gunshots after which fled, because the situation was getting so bad the shot, the museum boom. the m 23 fighters were raining bullets all over. i've been h. that's why we had to escape to stay alive. we wanted the authorities to find somewhere to live. we've got nothing to eat because they fled with nothing. and here we all with the children on the road. the conflict has triggered protests in the eastern congress, the city of gamma and capital of north keepers. province. people denounce the presidents of wonder and uganda, which is also accused of supporting him 23 rebels and some coal for rushes help saying gears of western interventions have failed them over because we need put in here and congo because we are disappointed with the united states for 60 years, we have been in the u. s, but there's no infrastructure. the army still wanted yesterday and infiltrated army

. we are suffering and it was fun to do. we know how one constant so now we up on the march 23 movement $2.23 is it's known as the congolese revolutionary army. it's a rebel military group based in the eastern areas of democratic republic of congo, mainly in the province of north key, through its leadership is made up of members of the ethnic group. they say that aim is to fight enemy groups sounded by hutus, who fled rwanda. after the 1994 genocide, the rebels merge with the congress army under 2009 p steel. but in 2012 they said the agreement had not been upheld and broke away. naming the group and 23 more than a 120 of the rebel groups operate in the region. ah,

well let's bring in our guests in the rwandan capital kick garley as get a net in garbo, a lawyer and political analyst in london, quito. don't goble, president of the congo lease exiled government and until burke in the netherlands is felix the hinder reset your own conflict? peace and justice in africa's great lakes. regional welcome to all of my guests sir . can i come 1st to you felix? in til book in the netherlands to get a neutral view, what we've seen a demonstrations against rwanda by people in congos city of goma. i mean, why are these demonstrations any different from those before them? i'm not sure whether i would say that they are very different. you have a lot of on to run just 20 minutes is done d as in go market value, which is very close. right now. the city is sunday. i see what we remember already

. some we had in early june. so for the last couple of years we had quite a number of strong demonstration on all of those y lee. so i'm kind of activities going on. we have hard to activities are opposing a government with allegations of rhonda supporting and 23 inch so in the past as well. so talking about for example uh untrusted. so these are not very different. so i guess i look at this rather and other horrific cycle violence with, of course, or device searching consequences for the city that population. well, let's get to london then and to a key to tango. i mean, if it is such another cycle of violence, mr. to go more, how bad is the situation in the east of congo to the people that you're talking to that right now. thank you so much robin. this is very necessary to provide to mention it's very transiting difficult time for us companies. people

we've been so kind and welcomed or in a, in our country there. one days we welcome them to be but it must have been a big majority of upper run. the city then go out, really all the willing to go back to the one that didn't, they're going to, congo it is, find a peaceful place to pay. well, i'll come generation of them and what is happening now. the government, especially poker graham, is using the british common off every because remember the army now the trinity people don't, they are using those people now to kill, holding always stitches and in conduct speaking not more than 2000 people have the place from the house. they're going to have a country or some people live in a forest at the moment. young people can go to school. we say criminal movement growing up by small group of people call them step m 20, pre everyone, be the government fully supported by government. run this army, they've been in a st, the quote, killing ordinary companies, people, and a very thanks, but this message development. and i believe the british people and the people

around the global one using the in pretty and a power given by british for them to be member commonwealth, to kill civilians and a weak country, much as table political one. ok, let me, let me, let me just stop me there. allow our guest in kigali. get a. nothing got to come into. you've heard what august in london has said that this is all inspired and supported by the british. and it will pull, cook armies, fault, how do you respond? right. so that is speculation i want, i would rather not respond back. speculation. and this type of rhetoric is what is surely is a demonstration that you, that you mentioned you are looted. and also when this gentleman says that the d s was, will coming to london, refugees, he's the ease. ease is being disingenuous. the anthony 3 are not random

and nobody welcomed their congolese. they leave on their asses to lance in the d. c . they live on these land for more than 4 centuries, and they are older than coal itself. as a country. these emily to be grouped, they are not random. they may speaking around, that they may look like rundowns. but when the borders were being divided in 1885, they suddenly found themselves as part of the congress country. they are not, once they speak in iran, that they may look london, but they are going to leave now, these amalgam, or saying that we work on refugees. these people where they are much, much earlier though, as early as any other indigenous community in the, in the eastern part of that. yes. and they're fighting today because they, because deaf got their comedians struggled to be accepted by the likes of my colleague who's speaking now and calling them refugees. that's why their family is not yet. and have lived in refugee camps in rhonda and uganda for 3 tickets,

not 3. the kids of the binding to return home demanded that i fell on deaf ears until now they were compelled to pick up arms to fight. so they can compel the government of the d i. c, and negotiate and allow their communities that have been lavish needed to come to the tunnel. okay, mr. darren. gov i, i'm going to go back to a felix the hinder in till bug because obviously the conversation to what's going on is multi layered. it's about as nicety, it's about geography. it's about language in its about cultures, certainly in this part of the world. and we will talk about that a little bit later in the program. let me just bring it up to speed in terms of the 2009 p steel that was reached that failed in 2012. what do you think the underlying issues there as to why the groups could find a p. steel. mr. the hinder but that it all sort of fell apart. why?

i mean much of it or it. if i was a big one word in terms of why we keep having a sack of violence and i'm constantly repeating and just did, i would really more talk about once you weren't being enforcement. much of it comes ready to enforcement, which has always been lucky. you have had quite, very many, ah, in track on what is dialogue between the government and i'm ropes. many adverbs, by the way, keeps always being repentant. last 2 weeks. ah, that un did issue a report of human rights violations in all of is focused on provinces. it, tory enough people saw people on panica and is a very important always to keep that in mind that it, violet doesn't. human rights are very much multiple. in fact, and friendship re, was among the lowers according to that you read reports, which doesn't justify anything, but it's a very important point to keep in mind. so, but much of it really, whether we are talking about domestic issues. they got me as hot arguing meetings

in gama in 9. we'll be in dallas abbey about armed ropes. there were arguments that made, but enforcing them at a watt and post partially or never your force at all. that's one thing. on the 2nd is ready to cope abilities of forcing your pot layout lied and it will pull, it will read them. i'm part of the blame sometimes stamped a bit so quite an absurd take lister pockets. supposed it troubles, i'm the combo and punk best gotten it to any government in place in congress as the responsibility to protect seniors or not provide for the basic mates. by that being said that they have the issues of cooperation around a global community. the national guardian stand up, edge of the un personally regional campus. ah. depending on the politics of moment on the moment, thou always been weaknesses in enforcing any given arguments a great. i'm because of that then you tend to get, always written your to violence, renewed belligerently. by diverse armed ropes, which

a diverse published by gender of many of the issues i've always remain constant over the last reading. there's more on it. how can i bring in a key to here? obviously, the, the, the, the, the dfcs government to order the rwandan ambassador to leave. rwanda is stated as saying that they regretted, i mean, do they regretted his or is that any room for the new for in terms of toll king or all reports like this that also to by the u. n. a sticking point in any starting point for conversation. i think robert and he says very crucial point to be talking now my people and it is to my country. they've been a victim of a number of trustees. and what i had of, from a to, from run days, very shame that somebody tried to manipulate the story in international media by fabricating things that no correct the history of clinical. but when you had independence, we had to monitor 850 to try the oh, well organized, try be we welcome far enough from the one run has been

a very his table countries. and he can't deny that we have a group of run these most people want to go back now because the focus is still being up for them. people who call themselves democratic a for support. liberation for wonders is that i want to they are not willing to go back to congress. welcome to we have them in the country. and it is a story where everyone does bit of money. bless and international community like i had it from somebody from a lawyer, one, those manipulating this story is a very, very we talking about people's lives in somebody to be very serious allegation from somebody from the valley thinking international is, are just there are people's are listening when do you have your point of view says so to focused in want to let me, let me bring it, let me bring in. let me bring up your story to say thank you for being on finish. my point to do up to me is a very serious comment. you met in

a to national television about misleading people with sentiments. you know, you don't have evidence of that. ok. you're going to go back to the history. we welcome to run these people as a repeat, gee, your car been, is terrible nation for years. you can yourself, we've got history channel study in your country. we see people know like each other, and you set up an account. we welcome you, we accepted you. that's a place you got a sec open. now you are using this on this choose a by killing. is people in a retard because you have a support from united kingdom. you can, has been in a center providing enough support including arm and it different training. it's your other groups and you are using this as it gets middleton go. now you actually mentioned that the british angle before to let, let's, let's bring again, let's bring in a couple to golly, a you've had enough about say, for the moment i want to bring in gaba here, to actually respond to what mr. took over said. ah, that you know,

you beat the ruined has been disingenuous. i mean pull tagami has tweeted on monday that he's wants to hold as a discussions with the un security un secretary general antonio terrace. he too, wants to discuss the ongoing, arise intentions about to deescalate tensions. he says, what should we read that into this conversation between the secretary general and the president in kigali? many, both of you said one of them are, as you can see, my goal is, is trying to sanitize a group called he called horse of randomly measure if dealer not you through these areas, it will become more. and indeed, we've been pointing out that the d, as the government did, yes, the army is working alongside these group. and as guns year from michael league, they believe this is a legitimate now give him a group that he is a group that he's trying to make legitimate is on the un least as it there organization is only everyone the, some of his leaders are being tribe international course. so this is actually

a group of people, remnants of people who commit the genocide in rwanda. where does she did? fled to the r c and continued to attack the communities in the dust and from my colleagues statement. indeed that he, they're willing to want you to working with them. and this is the primary or quarrel that one has we did. yes. using the support of the see these shells bones on 232. so run that keeps asking, did yes. so full of reading it if de la, which is internationally recognized as if there are genocidal organ. okay. let me get i can see i guess the dylan's and come in. you are telling us what to do. you have to dance. teacher said his mistake attended as a very serious allegation, you'd wanna have to talk about what to do with people was seeking protection in our country. you speak this an international community, you speak to a lawyer. can you see how you people breaching the route?

you have da da city, even in itala tional community to minimize the value of another nation. wait and pausing them or you want them to do as a serious allegation. those people don't want to come back to your country because you're targeting them, you're killing them. the majority and everyone has a track record, killing those people to including the to t. i was in court with many, one of these people, critical people, you really wanted to t. we will come, you, we accepted you in our call. this is all you gotta do for people. how many years company people have to be killed. ok, because we are helping you. you've been given enough support from united kingdom and coming up. now you minimizing it's about you. if you're going to walk, you know, to have the countries are killing other people and we, according come on to walk in clinic, british people to listen to this, the supporting the whole criminal country in the folk, the government, including yourself, contended. you don't see the value of protecting, you know what his goal is. people deserve a better life. and our mission of deliver to our money. you know, you can use this cruises to kill companies, you fabricated,

that. let me just bring, you know, let me just bring, let me just bring and see if you have a truck recall, let me just bring it in here to book. obviously you're hearing both sides. felix and it's very polarized each side, whether they are pro congo or pro wonder had their own point of view. endless cycle of violence. the media that the us has tried to mediate how difficult is its position. now if the, if the international community are not listening and not coming to the aid of the very civilians that are actually the victims and all of this on those border areas, it is very difficult to keep in mind. of course, it's a toys, very disappointed, coma compared to mont allies the, the discussion about security. and if andy elsie, keep in mind that the last conversation probably you hot and is and channel. why around demonstrations against the you and presence. i me in that yasu. ah, you ha,

what one of the biggest you at present? so you, there is a global globally speaking in his idea sapiens just in general. but he has been quite, very difficult to, to, to find a solution. because the issue isn't going to lay out on many issues that require but to some kind of large investment, bad diverse actors at different levels to tackle the issue. i keep or saying that there is a need for really a comprehensive where's looking at different things. keep in mind with the fact that we are talking about is a guarantee in north people to day. but that part of the country better get on the report from the u. s. there which my rights body that i was quoting at, the beginning of these composition least violations by several dozens of armed gigawatts, which i feel very much active. so disarming all of those groups, including and $23.00, of course, should be a priority for any actors, including the companies that are post barrels. so pot, not smart,

global original. otherwise, i'd be happy at luanda kind of roadmap for peace that have been in a row beach communicate which of us is a military and political solution. all of those, if they want to be taken seriously, would be beginning little or finishes, at least. but do you never have a solution when you address want to see were issues that are issues the hot been ringing around for the last 30 plus years that needs to be address at the local level of belonging, identity, blonde related issues and belonging. but also doubt that our regional issues iran, as we are speaking with, was getting about rhonda dusty, but keep in mind that as we're speaking can i brute force is in the hope that'll solve people operating. we then determine that the goal is government and you got and forces operating again it's at yes. okay. all of these are a factor that you need to keep in mind in looking at the solution. how that even more comprehensive in bringing back last is that moralist are your it is for our

communities involved show good in those are moralist rejected. let me just bring in mr. tonga, there are many elements that and many issues to bring. let's just, let's just talk about the demonstrations. we've seen over the weekend, and about the approaches to international mediation. let's just take this conversation in, in a different direction as well. that as you say, you're not very happy with the british. the french in the region of also left in parts of marley and chad because of other relationships with our sub saharan africa . and we saw in the demonstrations at the weekend, the call for russia to get involved by some members of the public that were on the street. there. mr. tango, if you're not happy with western powers, and you're not happy with the un. is there a role for russia? i think that's not what i think people in the congo to have no choice at a moment. they're looking away at all. but i can tell you how to finish this war is going to be 2 minutes. if for example, arson has done a stock of promoting to rhonda and

a bridge is going to stop supporting her and are giving them the arms and also supporting them as a member common to walk w, end of to walk. we don't need to russia it to minutes. ok. i'm calling british people to listen to 1000000 people been killed because they are supporting the one the old and i'm very sorry. i have to pinch it when mr. content that mission, we have to recognize them on the, on the different type of both. but for me that to the one that's been in the center of killing kimberly's and also supporting m. 20 pre popes and as evidence. but he's a lawyer. i believe he continent to try to stop bolt if he never come across the dock. i'll be more than happy to send him to get it. also, we hope to make it clear. what is the future strategy on it piece origin. the origin our president, mr. up to 2nd, he has a try his best to find a way, a peaceful way to find a way for the school. it has never been a solution, because rondo is still using the same for you. why?

because the final word to me, well, let me get to the printer to get mr. garbo all his say he got all these comments. you know, it's a very heated subject, but i want to ask you whether international mediation is required to try and solve the problems between the 2 countries, between kigali and kinshasa. because obviously the 2 capitals need to start talking to each other, don't they? regardless of what's going on, it's obviously very heated, is obviously displacing thousands of people in the region. and the 2 governments need to talk to each other, don't they face to face with the moderator that no, no, no gun sheet. and a problem between 2 countries or a problem with we didn't countries not so, but for in or interference, we have them. one is good there, which is made of several other countries. they haven't solved the problem. and also

this gentleman is speculating too much about the th street then france knew when and saw by the problems of the d. s. c. and the solutions out of the us or we did. yes. that did the month, a simple m $23.00 means means march 23rd, 2009. it's an agreement that says all come release speaking. i wonder why in refugee comes in uganda and randa dun home peacefully. all soldiers of into the 3 must be mobilized and be integrated into what is i me and others, the movie nice community run look right you under speaking communities that are actually gone, what is to come? what is citizens must be accepted and discriminated against? there has been lack of political, we did the as the, has been good skim coating. rwanda and i had to, wilma push the envelope to get a good thing. the pin and everybody,

what they really did. yes. is that remember what my colleagues, felix was trying to say is the following. when you see reports of human rights violation did yes, c, l 23 and a one does to deficit is m 23 is the least violent. the most violent group idiocy today is the common is andy followed by f dealer, which is a group medical journal said connected triggers that are working hand in hand companies. i'm not even big gay and you there communities, government accept that you can speaking. hi, rhonda luke, rhonda in actually be communities because they bought that when it was being divided. it was that arbitrary without considering where people come through and did. yes, he understands that there will have county and then no good. you can go to wonder and obvious is get working be you can't get one thing that he was in the 100 and so they are listed there in god. oh, we do have to leave it because obviously this is a conversation that is going to go on for

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