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neutral, if you like, in the ukranian, in the ukrainian crisis, they've come under pressure from the west to take sides so far they haven't. what are we going to see at the end of the summit in the final communicate? are they going to reaffirm their neutrality in this conflict? it would be seen as a political or diplomatic win for russia if you like, which is trying to avoid international isolation, which is new owner says the social media platform will charge $8.00 a month for users with verified accounts ala must said, the move was essential to defeat spam or scam, he criticized the previous method of what's called blue tick verification as being a lot and peasant system mosque brought twitter for $44000000000.00. and you can find out more that story that we also were covering, including rushes turnaround to restart great exports from ukraine through the busy war to the black sea alone. today we're dot com updated throughout the day.
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i feel watching out there with lisa hill robin in the hall. reminder of our top stories. russia has confirmed that it allows shipments of grain from ukraine to be resumed. this follows a phone call between the turkish and russian president on tuesday. moscow suspended its involvement to the dealer. the weekend after the fleet, the black sea was attacked. russell said the has more miss stumble. it took a pencil paper on today. it was speaking and his part is group meeting and. and he said that after his phone call with the president of russia, we let them put in yesterday. they have agreed to, to resume that the shipments from the black sea on wednesday by mid day, so which is now and according to prison on. so russia is a back to the deal for now. the form is ready. prime minister benjamin netanyahu
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appears on calls to return to the countries leader with almost all of the balance counted. and tuesday's election, his right wing book book set to win a slim majority. north korea has 5, at least 23 missiles and the waters of its coast, the largest number in a single day this year. it also 5 around the 100 artillery shells near the southern border. south great responded by launching missiles. thousands of people have become gathering for a rally and for length is capital to protest against this crisis. please have been heavily deployed in colombo, head of those demonstrations relying because economy it's, i think it's worst crisis in a decade. inflation is rising. how many people are being pushed to the property of leaders meeting for the 2nd day of a 2 day sub to knowledge is as they look to find common ground and increase the polarized region. delicate will discuss regional, political and security issues and context of the ukraine war and kenya is deploying
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troops to the public project republic of congo, to help fight to m. 23 rebels. the un mission has withdrawn its trips from a key military base in the east, where the rebels are trying to advance protested, set fire to you in vehicles in the city of mac complaining. the mission has failed to protect them. and you will get more information about it inside story which follows this news bulletin with me. we'll have more news in half, nor hair on alger there until that time. and you can use, ah ah, i think that because the public of congress has expelled that one didn't investigate it. a cases kigali of supporting rebels in the east fighting has displayed thousands of people. the why is it been difficult and the conflict?
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is it time for new approach inside story? ah, ah, ah! hello welcome to the fargo and the hill robin relations between democratic republic of congo underwent have hit a new low. the coating government has expelled the one that i'm bassett, of it's long accused. golly, of supporting the m 23 rebel group in the north tv province in the east. fighting between rebels and the con gleese army has intensified in the past few months with fighters capturing 2 towns last week. the united nations is urged m. 23 to disarm unconditionally. in august a, you and report found evidence. everyone does military supporting the rebels. but the rwandan government has repeatedly denied the accusations. the conflict has
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displaced nearly 40000 people in a week. to inquire, my judah, asked william, there was 1 o'clock in the morning when we heard gunshots after which fled, because the situation was getting so bad the shot, the museum boom. the m 23 fighters were raining bullets all over. i've been h. that's why we had to escape to stay alive. we wanted the authorities to find us somewhere to live. we've got nothing to eat because they fled with nothing. and here we all with the children on the road. the conflict has triggered protests in the eastern connelly city of goma and capital of north keeper. province people denounce the president of wonder and uganda, which is also accused that supporting him $23.00 rebels and some coal for rushes. help saying gears of western interventions have failed them over because we need put in here in congo because we are disappointed with the united states for 60 years. we have been in the us, but there's no infrastructure. the army still wanted yesterday and infinitely did
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army. we are suffering and is because of was open to the do we know how one constant one. so now we up on the march 23 movement $2.23 is it's known as the con gleese revolutionary army. it's a rebel military group based in the eastern areas of democratic republic of congo, mainly in the province of north key through its leadership is made up of members of the to the ethnic group. they say that aim is to fight enemy groups sounded by hutus, who fled rwanda after the 1994 genocide. the rebels merge with the congress army under 2009 p steel. but in 2012 they said the agreement had not been upheld and broke away. naming that group m 23 more than 100. 20 of the rebel groups operate in
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the region. the well, let's bring in august in the rwandan capital kid. golly, as a netting garbo a lawyer and political analyst in london, a quito dongle, president of the congress, exiled government, and in till burg in the netherlands, is felix to hinder the research on conflict, peace and justice in africa's great lakes. regional welcome to all of my guests. can i come 1st to you, felix, in till burke in the netherlands to get a neutral view? what we've seen demonstrations against rwanda by people in congos city of goma. i mean, why are these demonstrations any different from those before them? i'm not quite sure whether i would say that they are very different view hotspots, a lot of on time run just 20 minutes. in houston diaz kate in goma, particularly, which is very close prostate. now the citizen is santiago, c. o would remember already some we hot in early june. so for the last couple
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of years we had quite a number of strong demonstration bob. all of those were linked to armed kinds of activities going on. we happen to the activities are opposing i am 23 to the congress government with allegations of course of rhonda supporting and 23 inch so in the past as well. so talking about for example in $21215.00. so these are not very different, so i guess so i look at this rather and other horrific cycle of violence with of cosa device searching consequences or the sabrina population. well, let's get to london then and to a key to, to global. i mean, if it is such as the cycle of violence, mr to and global, how bad is a situation in the east of congo to the people that you're talking to thy right now? i guess so much robin painted is very necessary to provide to mention it's very
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transit a difficult time for us companies. people we've been so kind and welcomed are in a country. there are one days. welcome them. and it must have been a big majority of up run days to do then go out really are willing to go back to the one that they're going to, congo it is, find a peaceful place to stay with. welcome generation of them and what is happening now . the government, especially poker graham, is using the british commonwealth in france because remember, the british army now the trend of the people in the united and don't be using those people now to kill holding on the citizen in congo speaking now more than 30000 people have the place from the house, they're going to have a country or some people live in a forest at the moment. young people can go to school. we say criminal movement growing up by small group of people call them step 20, pre a run by the government. fully supported by the army. they've been in the st. the quote, killing ordinary companies, people and a very thanks, but this message development. and i believe the british people and the people
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around the global, no one using the in pretty and power was given by british for them to be a member commonwealth, to kill civilians. and a weak country got much table political movement. ok. let me, let me just stop me there and allow august in kigali get to nothing got to come into. you've heard what august in london has said that this is all inspired and supported by the british and it will pull cook armies, fault. how do you respond? right, so that the speculation i want, i would rather not respond to that speculation. and this type of rhetoric is what is fueling, is a demonstration that you, that you mentioned, your look to and. and also when this gentleman says that the d s was, will coming to london, refugees, he's the ease, ease is being disingenuous. the employee 3 are not random and nobody welcomed
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their congolese, they leave on their asses to lance in the d. r. c. they live on these land for more than 4 centuries, and they are older than come will serve as their country. these emily, to be grouped, they are not rwandans, they may speaking around, that they may look like rundowns. but when the waters were being divided in 1885, they suddenly found themselves as part of the congress country. they are not to once they speak in iran, that they may look london, but they are can believe. now these are my gun or saying that we work on refugees, these people where they are much, much are you do as early as any other indigenous community in the, in the eastern part of that. yes. and they're fighting today because they because deaf got their comedians struggled to be accepted by the likes of my colleague who's speaking now and calling them refugees. that's why their family is not yet. and have lived in fiji in rhonda and uganda for 3 the kids now 3 decades of the
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funding to return home demanded that i fell on deaf ears until now they were compelled to take up arms to fight. so they can compel the government of the d r. c . negotiate and allow their communities that have been lavish needed to come to the tunnel. ok, mr. darren. gov i. i'm going to go back to a felix the hinder in tilbury because obviously the conversation of what's going on is multi layered. it's about as the city, it's about geography. it's about language in its about culture, certainly in this part of the world. and we will talk about that a little bit later in the program. let me just bring it up to speed in terms of the 2009 p steel that was reached that failed in 2012. what do you think the underlying issues there as to why the groups could find a p steel? mister the hinder but that it all sort of fell apart. why?
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i mean much of it or it. if i was to pick one word in terms of why we keep having a sack of violence and i'm conflict relating and just yet i would really more talk about once we weren't being enforcement. much of it comes in ready to enforcement, which has always been lucky. you have had quite very many, ah, in track on what is dialogue between the government and i'm the ropes many adverbs, by the way, it's always being repentant. last to week, oh, that un did issue a report of human rights violations in all of east for eastern provinces. he tore north peoplesoft on panica. and is a very important always to keep that in mind, that if violet doesn't came out right, not very much multiple, he fucked and 53 was among the lowers according to that report which doesn't justify anything. but it's a very important point to keep in mind. so, but much of it really, whether we are talking about domestic issues. the government has hot argue meetings
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in gama in 9 will be in dallas abbey by armed ropes. there were arguments that made but enforcing them at hawaii post partially. oh, never enforced at all. that's one thing on the 2nd is ready to copy that is of forcing that pot layout lied and it will pull it over there. i'm part of the blame sometimes, that to be to quite enough certaintly still pockets. suppose the troubles i'm the combo and congo best gotten it to any government in place in congress as the responsibility to protect seniors or not provide for the basic weights, but are being issues of cooperation around a global community. the national can stand up edges of un russell regional campus. ah, depending on the politics of moment on the moment thou the always been weaknesses in enforcing any given arguments are great. i'm because of that, then you tend to get always written your to violence, renewed belligerently. but diverse arguments which
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a diverse published by gender of many of the issues up always remain constant over the last reading. there's more on it. how can i bring in a key to here? obviously, the, the, the, the, the dfcs government to old of the rwandan ambassador to leave. rwanda is stated as saying that they regretted. i mean, do they really regretted his or is that any room for the new, for in terms of tall king or all reports like this at all foot by the u. n. a sticking point in any starting point for conversation? i think robert, it is very crucial point to be talking now my people and it is put my country there been a victim off, a number of trustees. and what i had from a to, from run days, a very shame that somebody tried to manipulate the story in international media by fabricating things that no correct the history clinical. but when you had independence, we had to monitor 350 to try the all that well organized. we welcome far enough from the one that run. there's been
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a very his table countries. and he can't deny that. we have a group all run these. most people want to go back now because the bulk of them is still being put in people who call themselves democratic a for support. liberation for wonders is that i want to they are not willing to go back to congress. welcome to, but we have them in the country. and it is a story where one has been manipulated international committee to like i had from somebody from a lawyer from the one. those manipulating the story is a very, very heavy case. here we talking about people's lives in somebody to be very serious allegation from somebody from the valley thinking international. this is just there are many people's listening. when do you have your point of view? says so to august in let me let me bring it. let me bring in, let me bring me a story to say thank you for being on our finish. my point to go into
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is a very serious commit. you met in a to national television about misleading people. with spectrum it's, you know, you don't have evidence of that. ok, you're going to go back to the history. we will come to run these people as a refugee. you'll be an, it's terrible nation for years. you getting yourself, we've got history channel study in your country. we see people know like each other, and you set up an equivalent, we will come you, we accepted you. that's a place you about a separate open. now you are using this on this choose a by killing companies, people you know, to talk. because you have a support from united kingdom. you can get a sense of providing enough support including and it different training if you're all the groups and you know, you actually mentioned the british, i'm going to bring again, let's bring it to you but you know, but i want to bring in during golfer here to actually respond to what mr. to go over said that you know, you beat the ruined, have been disingenuous. i mean poca,
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got me has tweeted on monday that he's wants to hold discussions with the un security un secretary general antennae good terrorist. he too, wants to discuss the ongoing rise intentions of to deescalate tensions. he says, what should we read that into this conversation between the secretary general and the president in kigali windbreaker. he said one of them are, as you can see, my colleagues is trying to sanitize a group called he called horse of randomly rational if dealer, now it is true this a combo. and indeed, we've been pointing out that the d r. c government, the army is working alongside these group. and as you can see here from my colleague, they believe this is a legitimate now did legitimate group that he is a group that is trying to make legitimate is on the un least as a their organization is only everyone. some of these leaders are being tried
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international course. so this is actually a group of people, remnants of people who commit genocide in rwanda. where does she did? she went to d r c and continued to attract to the communities in the us and from my colleagues statement. indeed that he's willing to continue working with them. and this is the primary quarrel that one that has with using the support of the i see these shells bones on 232. so randa keeps asking that the us to start collaborating viola, which is internationally recognized as if there are genocidal organisms. ok, let me get, i guess the ones that come in new or telling color what to do. you have the density to say his mistake attended as a very serious allegation. you wonder how to talk about what to do with people was seeking protection in our country. you speak as an international committee to you speak to our lawyer. can you see how you people reaching the root?
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you have to, does city even an international community to minimize the value of another nation by imposing them where you want them to do as a serious allegation, those people don't want to come back to your country because you're targeting them, you're killing them. the majority and decline the has a track record killing those people to, including the tutti i was in school is a menu who i this people included those people. you really want to stuff duty. we wanna come to you. we accepted you in the article. this is what you gotta do for our people. how many years congresspeople have to be caught. okay, because we are helping you. you've been a given enough support from united kingdom and a commonwealth. now you minimizing this value, that value come on the office not to have the countries are killing other people and we, according come on walk in clinic, british people to listen to this. they are supporting the war criminal country in the folk, a garbage including yourself attend it. you don't see the value of protecting human rights has gone. williams. people deserve a better life. and our nation have to live in a harmony in our border. yukon, uses excuses to cucumber is your fabricated attempt at his career. go,
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let me see that. let me just bring you not. let me just bring you feel again. let me just bring in, feel exciting. yeah, he's not. you have a truck recall. let me just bring it in quickly to him to here in a till berg. obviously you're hearing both sides or felix and, and it's very polarized. are each side whether they are pro congo or, or pro vendor have their own point of view, the endless cycle of violence at the media that the u. n. has tried to mediate how difficult is his position. now if the, if the international community are not listening and not coming to on the aid of the very civilians that are actually the victims and all of this on those border areas, it is very difficult to keep in mind. of course, it's a toys, very disappointed, coma compared to mont allies. the discussion about security is andy elsie. keep in mind that the last conversation probably you hot and is and channel. why around the
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demonstrations against the un presence. i be in that yasu. ah, you ha, what one of the biggest you at present? so you that the global globally speaking in his idea sapiens just in general. but he has been quite, very difficult to, to, to, to find a solution. because the issue isn't going to lay out on many issues that require but to some kind of large investment, bad diverse actors at different levels to tackle the issue. i keep always saying that there is a need for really a comprehensive where's looking at different things. keep in mind with the fact that we are talking about is a guarantee in north people today, but that part of the country, beth, again on the report from the u. s. there which my rights board that i was reporting at the beginning of these composition least violations by several dozens of i'm the groups which i feel very much active. so disarming all of those groups, including and $23.00, of course, should be a priority for any arctic, including the companies that are post barrels. so pot, not smart, global,
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regional ottawa. i'd be happy at luanda kind of roadmap for peace that have been in a row beach communicate which of us use the military and political solution. all of those, if they want to be taken seriously, won't be beginning adults or finishes, at least. but do you never have a solution when you address want to see were issues that are issues the hot been ringing around for the last 30 plus years that needs to be address at the local level of belonging, identity, blonde related issues i'm belonging, but i also doubt that i'll regional issues iran, as we are speaking with both rhetoric about rhonda dusty. but keep in mind that as we're speaking, that our brute force is in the hope that'll solve cable operating. we then detention of the college government and you got on forces operating against ed yet . okay. all of these are a factor that you need to keep in mind in looking at the solution. how that even more comprehensive in bringing back last is that moralist are your it's been for
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our communities involved show good in those are moralist rejected. let me just bring in mr. tonga, there are many elements and many issues to bring. let's just, let's just talk about the demonstrations. we've seen over the weekend, and about the approaches to international mediation. let's just take this conversation in, in a different direction as well. that as you say, you're not very happy with the british. the french in the region of also left in parts of marley and chad because of other relationships with our sub saharan africa . and we saw in the demonstrations that the weekend, the call for russia to get involved by some members of the public that were on the street. there. mr. tango, if you're not happy with western powers, and you're not happy with the un. is there a role for russia? a friend, that's not what i think people in the congo to have got no choice out of my and they're looking away at all. but i can tell you how to finish this wall is going to be 2 minutes. if for example, arson has done a stock of promoting to rhonda and
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a bridge is going to stop supporting grandara, giving them the arms and also supporting them as a member common to walk the end of the walk. we don't need to russia it to minutes . ok, i'm calling british people to listen to the 1000000 people been killed because they are supporting the one the whole and i'm very sorry i have to pinch this robert when mr. curtain dimension, we have to recognize them on the, on different topics, both performing that to the one that's been in the center of killing kimberly's and also supporting m. 20 pre is one of our big boobs. and there's evidence, but he's a lawyer. i believe he cannot challenge both. if he never come up cross docs, i'll be more than happy to send him to this. and also we hope to make it clear. what is the future strategy on it piece, origin. the origin our president, mr. up to 2nd, he has a try his best to find a way, a peaceful way to find a way for what is what it has never been a solution because of rhonda is still using the same for you. okay. well,
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let me get the final word to me. let me get you got your printing, mr. garbo, paul, he said he got all the garbage. you know, it's a very heated subject, but i want to ask you whether international mediation is required to try and solve the problems between the 2 countries, between kigali and kinshasa. because obviously the 2 capitals need to start talking to each other, don't they? regardless of what's going on, it's obviously very heated, is obviously displacing thousands of people in the region. and the 2 governments need to talk to each other. don't they face to face me some more data that no, no, no conceit. a problem between 2 countries or a problem with within countries is not so, but for in our interference, we have them. one is good there, which is man made of several are countries. they haven't solve the problem. and
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also this gentleman is speculating too much about the th street then france. i'm un saw by the problems of the d. c. and the solutions of the us, or we did. yes. that did the month a simple m. 23 means means march 23rd, 2009. it's an agreement that see all come release speaking. i wonder why in refugee comes in uganda and randa, dun home peacefully. all soldiers of m 23 must be mobilized and be integrated into believe me and others. the movie nice communities run that route you under speaking communities that are actually gone. what is soon gone, what is citizens must be accepted and discriminated against. there has been lack of political, we did the as the has been good scapegoating. rwanda and i had to, wilma was danville of just good, good thing. the pin and everybody what they really did. yes. is that remember what
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my colleagues, felix was trying to say is the following. when you see reports of human rights volition did yes, c, l 23 and a one day deficit is m 23 is the least violent. they're most violent group indiana to day. if they're gone, what is andy followed by f dealer, which is a group made of just had connected triggers that are working hand in hand. the companies i'm not even bill. yay. and you the companies government accept that you can speaking. hi, rhonda luke, rhonda in actually be communities because they bought that when it was being divided. it was that arbitrarily without considering where people come through and did. yes, he understands that there will have county and then no good you. good, good wonder and obvious is good looking do you can skipping that he was in the home when i listed there in god. oh, we do have to leave it because obviously this is a conversation that is going to go on for
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a very long time. we can't solve it in half an hour, but i do appreciate all of my guests for joining us from k garley london until berg . thank you to get a nevin garbo a key twotango and felix to hinder. thank you as well for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website at algebra dot com. and the further discussion go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter, where at ha, inside story from me, the whole rahman and the entire team here in there. well, thank you very much for your time and your cousin. ah ah
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