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hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully back table after 10 days of p stocks in south africa. a surprise deal has been reached to stop ethiopia civil war into gray . up to half a 1000000 people have died from violence and starvation during the conflict. hundreds of thousands have been forced from their homes and 9000000 urgently need food. well now the philippine government and the to graham people's liberation front door t p l f. have agreed to what they call a permanent cessation of hostilities. the african union mediated the talks led by former nigerian president, loosen general bath and joe, and former canyon president. oral kenyatta. today is the beginning of the new. i'm sure it's super well,

the owner of africa. i'm indeed for a frequency. let me just look at some gold will these noodle we are seeing impact juice. i'm a journal sushi what we are trying to achieve for ourselves over the years. and that is a 2nd solution for us to come problems. let's remind you how the war started ethnic to gray and dominated ethiopian politics were nearly 30 years until prime minister abbey made came to power in 2018. 2 years later, he ordered a military operation against the t p l. f. he accused the group of attacking military bases and holding an unauthorized regional election. and then to guy has been under blockade for 17 months with aid, restricted and internet and phone service has blocked. both sides have been accused of violating human rights. now the last ceasefire, signed in, august broke down,

and ethiopian government forces were closing in on to great regional capital mckelly. that was just before the latest round of talks. after this cease fire was announced. if he appears prime minister in a statement said, the agreement signed to day in south africa is monumental in moving ethiopia forward. our commitment to peace remain steadfast. now the t p a left says a ceasefire is not only a relief to the people of tig rye, but to all of ethiopia taught us was political slowly. we have mid, painful concessions. because addressing the prince of our people is far more important than the kinds of concessions we're bit. yes, we have really concessions because we have to trust. and we have to make sure that every one of us on that thrust, ah, let's not bringing our guests in addis ababa hire a dean to 0,

a member of ethiopian parliament, and assistant professor of social anthropology as part of a university in amsterdam, gabe rec, history discovery through last year founder and chief editor of to got dot com. that's the website documenting the war intake. right. and in london, martin plowed a senior research fellow at the institute of commonwealth studies. gentlemen, a warm welcome t o. thank you very much for joining us. today on a side story, before we get into the details of this agreement, signed by the therapy and government and the t p left, i want to get your initial reaction 1st to this cease fire. let me start with you hydrogen in the saba. how do you view this agreement? will this cease fire last? yeah, the moment i haven't the augment launch it in pretoria, i was very happy and any part of the team at any citizen of ethiopia, i wish you took but to be very peaceful and prosperous and that bless. bloody

conflict in the north was driving yesterday and it is a, it's a conflict between brothers. so the moment i had it, it was, you know, it was that emotion and for me to moving and i'm very happy and for me and for other it yup. and i believe this is it, the argument is not indicating the winning of one or another party rather it, it took the brothers one family with out of the argument, but committed in traction. how committed, easy feel, can government to the agreement you know. yeah, according to my understanding in immediately after i get a mentor prime, mr. abby, how much fit the government is very committed. you know, if you can remember, if we even can remember, they took down government time and again, you know, said that it went this to in the conflict sort of peaceful. deb oak unilaterally declared in for humanitarian access it previously. and you know,

the common one was a little bit even before the through tory agreement, that at the moment in the, after the argument it down government, the demand, according to my understanding it's fully addressed. it raises that the know that if it was previously and the fact that you know, 3 got what seems at this very when the argument ok, so need to wait rather the street and later of the argument should be implement that, that is that action from the prime minister in his government that will give her christmas still has come as a surprise to many because there was not a lot of optimism going into the talks in south africa. what is your reaction to this agreement and do you think this cease fire on like the previous one will last? i think it is quantitative. there is, at least you know, the publicly stated commitment or piece or a desire or be whether it will last is something i am not so that they made it the thing. and i think that

because the track record of the african union, the european more really that good. that again, really ties on deception. so that doesn't give me my talk. and the african union does not have the, the wrong mechanism, you know, to, or, you know, overseas the process. and i would like to, i did that, i think the to gran community. now feel that this was really an unfair agreement that has been really kind of like demanding a lot of positions on the grand i decided the negotiations martin 10 days ago, the conflict was intensifying and if you can, government and it's richie and allies were closing in on mckelly, the regional capital of to grey. what do you think lead to this breakthrough and is this the end point you think?

well, i think they're the 2 things to say the 1st is both sides were under intense pressure . the grounds were certainly are under intense pressure because the air train and ethiopian forces were deep inside their territory. ah, but they were not close to mckelly. they were actually blocked quite a distance from michaela and were held and being ambushed all the time on with the war the b 30, which was called the highway to hell. so it wasn't as if the, the to grounds were in an impossible position where we're an extremely difficult position. they made our land. sadie, how, how do you explain them making they have editions they made? well, let me just put, put, give you the, the difficulty that the ethiopians were under not only with their losing a lot of men, but also they were under intense financial pressure because the insertion monetary fund, medically they would not extend loans to ethiopia, which is down to about a months worth of foreign exchange. they've spent hugely on weapons for this war.

and so they were under intense pressure and well, and it's because both sides were under pressure that the, it was possible to get some kind of agreement, i think. yeah, i gave her kiss, her said a moment ago that the, the heal p n regime has there a track record that's not really good that they dare deceptive. in his words, do you think there is enough trust today between the 2 sides that could make the ceasefire last? i think there's very little trust, but what you need is a, you know, confidence building measures. and you know, you can ask yourself one simple question. have the borders of 2 grey been opened? half the world food programs, trucks begun moving to day. there's no reason why they have to wait any further. the agreements been initialed there should be moving to day. the 2nd question is, this. will the ethiopian out the ergotron governments allow reporters from al jazeera,

from other organizations to go up to the front and report on what is going on. right? that would be hugely important in allowing people to say, this is what's happening with some confidence. all right, well let's take a closer look now at the significant parts of this agreement, the t p l f. under this dale must enter a permanent cease fire with government forces and this arm to grey will be restored as a region under ethiopia. federal system elections held integrated in 2020 that weren't recognized by ethiopia, as government will be considered void and a new government for the region will be established. let me bring you back in a guy redeem in addis ababa martin raise an important point there. and that is an important question, and that is whether the borders of to guy will be open when will age returned to to guy when will all the obstacles to transport of food and medicine be lifted? you know, i don't know why her in what me kind of did that not to pull out examined or come

to that kind of conclusion. you know, according to my understanding that there were and for long for to you to that area, but still, yeah, that is a control of some areas to bite you to finish my defense port. i can understand that that is the my information, the call is important. making an assessment into that in the area that it was there moment of humanity and food and other services. and even today, as of today, i can hear liberated areas, services, electricity, and telecommunication. i've been restored by the government. the issue is, as you have already mentioned in the government, whether the government have absolute power in that area, it's very difficult. most of the services and anybody by the government decisions, the federal government, the decision, if the federal government, us, they should have not been very well in that area. it would be very difficult for

the state, the central government to deliver this kind of services into area. okay, get angry and i will look good. i'll get that done. the but it's that deliberately that it will not be a seed. and the blockade by the federal government, i think it's kind of acquisition simpson working as this is pretty busy now. ok, deborah, overhead on the thing now, gave chris s. can hire dean says the government has been falsely accused of of blockading the gray region. what do you know is happening right now to the extent of your knowledge in the region is age and coming in services being restored as hire dean says know that an absolute my and lie and deception have been part of the not only to government but also the be big, you know, for the government and this is just what we hear now. today. we have family members in the area that they are liberated again, this is not the progression according to the granite. you don't do paper that

didn't ask for that, but there is no, literally, there's no internet, there's not, there's not a but again, you know, they are telling us that our people are eating why they are not eating. so i think like what i said before, we haven't seen anything yet, you know, signing up the argument and that kind of kind of point, you know, something called the comment in the coming days. but i think let me just go back a little bit and say, you know, one of the induct grand speed at the moment is that you know what, you normally not negotiate your money to a you know, we don't have broke it or the student had been or not, but they have been use it, you know, to where the grand to, to compete. many thing if they want to get, you know, the, for example, you money that n a has been part of the negotiation. that's why it doesn't feel right from the,

from the get go and the med among to get it. now, if social media is an indication, we don't know about that be putting together because you have not worked at the moment. but look outside is a huge disappointment. resentment, and they feel that that the ground will have been subjected to general. i will not get just reparation because of the arrangement that have be created. now my point meant from the gray and i had this agreement. so where does it leave it? i mean, it sounds like it's not going to last very long. well, i hope it does. i mean, this has been a long time in the making and there's been huge international pressure. the americans have paid a big role in trying to get this through the african union, as you mentioned, has worked extremely hard to, to make this happen. and there's no reason why it shouldn't work. i mean, as i said, there are good reasons why both sides would want to have a resolution. but you know, you just need some measures of goodwill,

which show that they genuine good were on both sides, left a and a united nations flight take off tomorrow, with the camera crews, international camera crew on it, and broadcast the situation from mckelly tomorrow. that would change the atmosphere . it's not difficult to do. it could be done at a, at a switch by, by the, by a prime minister. abby already has to do is say yes, they can go and the united nations flights would take off hydrogen. no reason why can't happen hygiene will the prime minister will be in government make this goodwill gesture. you know, i don't know whether this kind of proposal from martin can take it. it can can, can contradiction to kick with the argument is workable or not, is very simple even to by the way that we have to appreciate the overall framework that's agreed by the parties and the intention both parties to be more threatening, you know, and i think everyone, i agree,

i agree and well counseling into my brother. yeah. everyone agrees i think on, on the framework and everyone welcomes the deal. the question now is whether, what was the greed will be implemented? you know, i think what kind of implementation is mentioned in the detail that will be, will be seen various one that we will see. you know that there is also a connection of argument that make it in the adam. and then there are also, i was that was a chicken to contradict with that it was workable or not for me, for instance, according to my brother, i started w said that the good on saturday, showing resentment yet to get on start only being integrated into their living and about their lives in different parts of it. they are very happy, you know, they want to see the read them their or their families to be peaceful. but property had that, that yes. what i could also come to, you know, this kind of opposite. it's kind of argument, you know, a long getting the, what is don't get in the street off, you know, we have to, that's cannot tell us what you let us up here. let's grasp the support unity and show it kind of commitment to implementation for me. then on patient cannot be

taken by 11 time, 111, not to go there and book, but this guy, this is a very simple question, will see very soon let's, let's give time to prove this right or wrong. give chris your response. you know, i'm in this is ready. been for example, you know, good. get your like, i'm always your knowledge just allowing a to know immediately would ignite a good thing. but what my, what you're good for me to do thing is really simply, well, let's just, you know, be good. no, there should be just for what has happened. you just don't let crimes of the magnitude, you know, go 3. i mean, i'm, by the way, according to united nations, give are cases, were committed by both sides. not just if you'll be in government forces, but also by that the grand forces or no,

that's not the thing that they just crime. and there is a different type of crime those that the client, you know, promptly that will be crime. so also to grant have committed crimes. they should be so we're not really saying only porter and i should be there. but this should be transparent for the right kind of them and something that he really be seeking. the magnitude of the crime that has been committed to guy. many people kind of gauge and also with, you know, the magnitude of the crimes on the if you're under any level that there was okay. before i bring my martin back into the conversation, i just want to ask you give case to us. we talked about goodwill gestures. what about the disarmament of the t p less? that's part of the agreement and si fi left disarming. when, when can we expect that to happen? that is something that trim really difficult to grant because we believe of the

grant that only we don't have to be. and if that's already the problem there, it's a call that the grandfather, which we call to grab the funds for the at the piano for the or not for that exam or 5 people in there. they are fighting for their people for their institutional government. and that's the problem, you know, we did and we are. and what, under what conditions, what out of me in a given a state let me wait the pilot. i don't have to meet a. busy one, i know that it's not on me and it has an appointment for me to call me when i get it, we should be up and later. so now i get to my friend, let me finish this kind of a thought petrosage must been in and out. we are browse up and for this, and then this is nikita, let me, it's been figured out when it was in alpha,

we need to be in every part of the job. ok. like every now so really quickly and that is that kind of fun. but if you put in to know ok, just finish your thought really quickly before i bring back martin back in. so this is what i me, this to gran forces does. these are the only people that could pick the 2 grand society. and they had a very good issue. what did then i don't think, how are you going to walk right. but we we feel like that not really. right. ok. martin, as you can hear this, still quite a lot of animosity, you know, from the 2 sides. if we just judged from this conversation between these 2 gentlemen, what happens next as far as disagreement is concerned, and we talked about t dry, the t p l f and the c o p and government for his. but we haven't talked about it which re, as role in this richly and forces will of course, fighting alongside ethiopian government forces will be a retiree and, and present,

i guess i for worky accept this deal and abide by all that is a critical question. and the, you know, it was a about a year ago, a prime minister abbey of ethiopia said that he had asked the error trends to leave, but they never left. so how that he's going to ensure that they do leave is difficult. they didn't participate in these talks, and they're not mentioned at all in the agreement. the only thing that it is says is that it is, it prevents the use of proxy cindy, stabilize the other party or collusion with any external force hostile to either party. that's a silver, complicated way of saying the error trends, right. but how they going to ensure that they lead is very difficult because don't forget that a lot of ethiopian troops were sent up north to eritrea to attack the, to grands from the north. what's gonna happen to them? and what about the somali forces we're also brought in at the beginning of this war

. when are they going to be allowed to go home, then many questions, and only 10 monitors have been established in this whole process. yeah, it's a very fragile system and what about the fate of the dispute at west end to gray region, which is part of to grab? it was captured by him. her forces at the beginning of the conflict. absolutely. right. i mean, the only thing that that really applies to that is the 2 page agreement which was signed, where they said that they uphold the constitution of the federal democratic republic of ethiopia. now that constitution recognizes that western to grey as part of to greg, not if they are going to abide by the letter of this, then that should be returns to grade. but i'd be interested to hear what the colleague getting to say about that. okay. how did you not have a but what do you have to say to that? and especially the question of, when will it reinforces? leave ethiopia from to my knowledge and authentic adamic and mechanical went this

data to, to, to, to, to, to not the same to took the existence of a return of meat that the involvement of anytime. i mean the northern public is not approved yet. that doesn't depend what amanda said, that doesn't say about that that time. but i don't think about that. i can hear it from the t p live say to for them. there's some in the international community where we stand powers. so for this purpose, since i don't have any kind of information about the expense of everything. ok, i don't say anything about it regarding other issues and yeah, regarding the article especially they offer with your article latino, that's kind of a line. yes. and what's the area of the argument? clearly it's people, it is that, that you've been participation, we'll address the issue. this doesn't mean that they can, you know, by the way, the federal democrat, republican american doesn't say anything about the internet about that it will be depend federal, kansas, as all that we need kind of further as a dialogue for that part of the, the discussion got to be addressed, hopefully with through the concern i can give her

a case. so respond on the point that there is no proof that it reinforces are in northern to cry. and all to ask you get replaces about the next step that clearly divisions and this cease fire is not going to solve them. what should happen next? i don't know what the, you know to your guys from the rebuilding practice. this is what we mean. you know, already year we see that you now really establish it, you know, it, i even had gotten that really, he quoted, the government has admitted that it is, that of course is not a just a public knowledge. and he said he doesn't know about it. why would we need any war that he said difficult, you know, as far as you know, void for what? i think what i believe this was really kind of

like hey being kinda ment, okay. and just i can, you know, have the need to, you know, kind of name ok something. but i think that really should have it. ok. the thing is the grand question is where are lucky guns and now we live 55 with my friend. ok, gentlemen, we are very helpful, very interested to have peace put in this if you will, leave me a better to accept and to address middle. thank you so much. so many issues to address and so many questions that hopefully we'll get to discuss further here on our dcea. we've run out of time for today's show. thank you so much for joining us . hired in 20, give case those get philosophy and martin cloth. thank you very much and thank you to for watching. you can always watches program again anytime by visiting our

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