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hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully back table after 10 days of p. starks in south africa, a surprise deal has been reached to stop ethiopia civil war into gray. up to half a 1000000 people have died from violence and starvation during the conflict. hundreds of thousands have been forced from their homes and 9000000 urgently need food will now be philippines, government and the to gray and people's liberation. front door t p. a left have agreed to what they call a permanent cessation of hostilities. the african union mediated the talks led by former nigerian president ellison general bath, and joe and former canyon president. oral kenyatta. today is the beginning of the little. i'm sure it's super well, the owner of africa. i'm indeed for a frequency. let me just think of some goat. well these newton
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we are seeing impact juice. i'm of janice, is she what we are trying to achieve for ourselves over the years? that is a 2nd solution full of comparables. let's remind you how the war started ethnic to grains dominated ethiopian politics were nearly 30 years until prime minister abbey made came to power in 2018. 2 years later he ordered a military operation against the t p l. f. he accused the group of attacking military bases and holding an unauthorized regional election. and then to guy has been under blockade for 17 months with aid, restricted and internet and phone service has blocked. both sides have been accused of violating human rights. now the last cease fires signed in august broke down, and ethiopian government forces were closing in on to great regional capital mckelly. that was just before the latest round of talks. after this cease fire was
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announced. if he appears prime minister in a statement said, the agreement signed to day in south africa is monumental in moving ethiopia forward. our commitment to peace remain steadfast. now the t p a left says a ceasefire is not only a relief to the people of to gray, but to all of ethiopia, the source was literally we have mit painful concessions because addressing the prince or her pupil is far more important than the kinds of concessions work mit yes, we have really concessions because we have to build trust. and we have to make sure that every one of us views on that thrust. ah, let's not bringing our guests in addis ababa hire a dean to 0. a member of the ethiopian parliament and assistant professor of social anthropology had decided by university in amsterdam,
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gabriel castell schedule for last year founder and chief editor of to got dot com. that's the website documenting the war intake. right? and in london, martin plowed a senior research fellow at the institute of commonwealth studies. gentlemen, a warm welcome t o. thank you very much for joining us today on a side story. before we get into the details of this agreement, signed by the therapy and government and the t p less, i want to get your initial reaction 1st to the ceasefire. let me start with you hire dean in the sub about how do you view this agreement? will this cease fire last yeah, the moment i had the agreement launch it in pretoria. i was very happy and as any part of the team, and as any citizen of ethiopia i wish you took but to be very peaceful and prosperous and that black conflict in the north was dragging garcia and it is a, it's a conflict between brothers. so the moment i had it, it was, you know, it was emotional for me to moving and i'm very happy and for me and for other it
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happens, i believe this is it. the argument is not indicating the winning of one or another party rather it, it will be brothers, one family with out of the argument. but it in traction. how committed, easy feel can government to the agreement? you know. yeah. according to my understanding in immediately after i get a mentor prime, mr. abby, how much said the government is very committed. you know, if you can remember, if we even can remember, they took down government time and again, you know, said that it went to, in the complete sort of peaceful deadlock, unilaterally declared for humanitarian access previously. and you know, the common one was a little bit even before the through tory agreement, that at the moment in the, after the argument it down to the demand according to my understanding it's fully
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addressed. it raises that the know that if it was previously and the fact that you know, 3 got what seems at this very when the argument ok, so need to wait rather the street and later of the argument should be implement that, that is that action from the prime minister in his government, that's when get replaced. us still has come as a surprise to many because there was not a lot of optimism going into the talks in south africa. what is your reaction to this agreement, and do you think this cease fire on like the previous one will last? i think it is quantity that there is, at least you know, the publicly stated commitment or piece or a desire for be whether it will last is something i am not so that they may be seeing. and i think that because the track record of the african union, the european really that good. that again,
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really ties on deception. so that doesn't give me thought my talk. and the african union does not have the, the wrong mechanism. you know, to import, you know, over the process and i would like to be, but i think that to gran community now that it was really an unfair agreement that have been really kind of like demanding a lot of positions on the grand i decided to negotiations martin, 10 days ago, the conflict was intensifying and ethiopian government, and it's richie and allies were closing in on mckelly the regional capital of to grey. what do you think lead to this breakthrough and is this the end point you think? well, i think there they're 2 things to say. the 1st is both sides were under intense pressure. the or to grounds were certainly are under intense pressure because the
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air train and ethiopian forces were deep inside their territory. ah, but they were not close to mckelly. they were actually blocked quite a distance from michaela and were held and being ambushed all the time on with the war the b 30, which was called the highway to hell. so it wasn't as if the, the 2 grounds were in an impossible position. berwin extremely difficult position, they made our land and said here how, how do you explain them making they have indeed and said, well, let me just put, put, give you the, the difficulty that the ethiopians were under not only with their losing a lot of men, but also, they were under intense financial pressure because the insertion monetary fund, medically they would not extend loans to ethiopia, which is down to about a months worth of foreign exchange. they've spent hugely on weapons for this war. and so they were under intense pressure and well, and it's because both sides were under pressure that the, it was possible to get some kind of agreement, i think, yeah,
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i gave her kiss. her said a moment ago that the ethiopian regime has there a track record that's not really good that they, they are deceptive in, in his words, do you think there is enough trust today between the 2 sides that could make the ceasefire last i think there's very little trust, but which you need is a, you know, confidence building measures. and, you know, you can ask yourself one simple question. have the borders of to grow, been opened? have the world food programs, trucks begun and moving to day. there's no reason why they have to wait any further than the agreements been initialed there should be moving to day. the 2nd question is this. will the ethiopian out of the ergotron governments allow reporters from al jazeera, from other organizations to go up to the front and report on what is going on? right? that would be hugely important in allowing people to say, this is what's happening with some confidence. all right, well let's take
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a closer look now at the significant parts of this agreement. the t p a live under this dale must enter permanent ceasefire with government forces and this arm to grey will be restored as a region under ethiopia. federal system elections held integrated in 2020 that weren't recognized by ethiopian government will be considered void, and a new government for the region will be established. let me bring you back in a guy redeem in addis ababa martin raise an important point there. and that is an important question, and that is whether the borders of to guy will be open when will age return to to guy when will all the obstacles to transport of food and medicine be lifted? you know, i don't know why her in what me kind of does that not to pull out examined or come to that kind of conclusion. you know, according to my understanding, there was a work and for long for to it is that the area but still yeah. after the control of
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some areas to bite you to finish my defense port, i can understand that that it is the my information to call us information and assessment into that in the, in the area that it was there moment of humanity and food and other services and even today, as of today, i can hear liberated areas, services, electricity, and telecommunication i've been told by the government. the issue is, as you have already mentioned in the government, whether the government hugs, absolute power in that area is very difficult. most of the services that he wanted to buy the government decisions that federal government, the decision. if the federal government unit should have not been very well in that area, it would be very difficult for the state, the central government to deliver this kind of services into area. okay, get angry and i will look good. how good is that deliberate that deliberately that it will not be a seed and the blockade by the federal government?
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i think that's kind of acquisition since and i was working as a split up now. okay. give overshadowed. the thing now gave chris s k, hire dean says the government has been falsely accused of, of blockading the the t gray region. what do you know is happening right now to the extent of your knowledge in the region is age and coming in services being restored as hire dean says know that an absolute and i and lie and deception have been part of the not only to government but also the be for that big, you know, for the government and this is just what we hear now today. we have family ways in the area that if they are liberated again, this is not the progression according to the granite. you don't really, but i didn't ask for that, but there is no, literally there's no internet, there's not, there's not a but again, you know, they are telling us that our people are eating why they are not eating. so i think
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like what i said before, we haven't seen anything yet, you know, the timing of the argument. and that's kind of the kind of point, you know, something called the comment in the coming days. but i think let me just go back a little bit and say, you know, one of the grants speed at the moment is that you know what, you normally not know like you money done in a, you know, we don't have broke it or the student had been or not, but they have been use it, you know, to where the grand to to compete. many thing if they want to get, you know, the, for example, you money that and a, this has been part of the negotiation. that's why it doesn't feel right from the, from the get go and the presentment among to grant. now if social media is an indication, we don't know about the people because we have no one moment. but look outside is
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a huge disappointment presentment and they feel that that the ground will have been subjected to general. i will not get reparation because of the arrangement that have be created. now mark point men from the to gray and i had this agreement. so where does it leave it? i mean, it sounds like it's not going to last very long. well, i hope it does. i mean, this has been a long time in the making and there's been a huge international pressure. the americans have paid a big role in trying to get this through the african union. as you mentioned, has worked extremely hard to, to make this happen. and there's no reason why it shouldn't work. i mean, as i said, there are good reasons why both sides would want to have a resolution. but you know, you just need some measures of goodwill, which show that they genuine goodwill on both sides, left a and a united nations flight take off tomorrow, with the camera crews,
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international camera crew on it, and broadcast the situation from mckelly tomorrow. that would change the atmosphere . it's not difficult to do. it could be done at a, at a switch by, by the, by a prime minister abby, all you have to do is say, yes, they can go and the united nations flights would take all hires. no reason why it can't happen. hygiene will, the prime minister will be open government to make this goodwill gesture. you know, i don't know whether this kind of proposal from martin can take it, it can, can, can contradict and to kick with the the argument is workable or not is very simple even to, by the way left to appreciate the overall framework that the agreed to by the parties and the intention both part is the most threatening, you know, mean i think everyone, i agree. i agree and well, my brother. yeah. everyone agrees i think on, on the framework and everyone welcomes the deal. the question now is whether,
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what was agreed will be implemented you know, i think what kind of implementation is mentioned in that it, in that will be, will be seen various one that we will see. you know that there is also a connection of agreement that make it in the agreement. then there are also i was that was the chicken to contradict that, it is workable or not for me, for instance, according to my brother, i started dumb. you said that the good on saturday showing resent them and you have to get on start not only being integrated into their living and about their lives in different parts of it. they are very happy, you know, they want to see the region. there are their families to be peaceful property, had that that yes. what i could also come to, you know, this kind of opposite is kind of argument, you know, a long getting that was, don't get in the street off after that's cannot tell us what you let us up here. let's grab this oppertunity and show it kind of commitment to implementation for me then for that one patient cannot be taken by 11 time, 111 door or another to go there and book. but this guy, this is a very simple secret, and we'll see very soon the let's,
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let's give time to prove this, right, or long give chris your response. you know, i'm in this is ready. been for, for example, you know, good get your, are like, i'm always your knowledge just allowing a to immediately would ignite a grouping. but what my, what you're good for me, the thing is really simply, well, let's just, you know, be good. no, there should be just for what has happened. you just don't lead crimes of the me to, you know, go 3. i mean, i'm by the way, according to united nations. give ok so we're committed by both sides. not just if you'll be in government forties, but also by that to grand forces or no, that's not the thing that just crime and there is a different type of crime. those you know, client, you know, promptly that will be crime. so also good to grants,
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have committed crimes. they should be so we're not really saying only for her and i should be there. but this should be kind of been transparent for the right kind of them and something that a really befitting the magnitude of the crime that has been committed to guy. many people kind of miss it, but the investigation also put, you know, the magnitude of the crimes on the if you're under him and he and i level that the grant was okay. before i bring my martin back into the conversation, i just want to ask you, give it to us. we talked about goodwill gestures. what about the disarmament of the t p less? that's part of the agreement cpa, left disarming. when when can we expect that to happen? that is something that trim really difficult to grant because we believe of the grant that only we don't have to be. and if that's already the problem there, it's a call that the grandfathers,
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which we call to grab the funds for the at the piano for the or not for that exam. i'm apply people to be in there. they are fighting for their people for their institutional government. and that's the problem. you know, we did and we are. and what under what conditions, what is the part out of me in a given a state? let me wait. the pilot. i don't have to meet a. busy one, i'm not, it's not on me and it has an appointment how me to call me we should be back and later. so not meant to my friend let me finish this kind of a thought petrosage must be in and out about. we are brought up in freight is and farther than the stuff indicator. let me figure out when it's in alpha, i don't need to be in every part of the job. ok. because i'm not really quickly going out of that is that kind of home. but if you put in to know ok,
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just finish your thought really quickly before i bring back martin back in. so this is what i me, this to grand forces that these are the only people that could pick the 2 grand society. and they had a very good issue reported then i don't know how it was going to work right. but we we really like that. not really. right. ok. martin, as you can hear that there's still quite a lot of animosity, you know, from the 2 sides. if we just judged from this conversation between these 2 gentlemen, what happens next as far as disagreement is concerned, and we talked about to try the t p l f and the european government for his. but we haven't talked about it, which we as role in this richly and forces were of course, fighting alongside ethiopian government forces will be a retiree and, and person, i guess after work he accept this deal and abide by. well, that's a critical question and you know, it was about a year ago,
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prime minister abbey of said that he had off the air trains to leave, but they never left. so how that he's going to ensure that they do leave is difficult. they didn't participate in these talk and they're not mentioned at all in the agreement. the only thing that it is says is that it is, it prevents the use of proxy cd, stabilize the other party or collusion with any external force hostile to the party . that's a sort of complicated way of saying the error trends, right? but how they going to show that they leave is very difficult because don't forget that a lot of ethiopian troops were sent up north to error. try to attack the grades from the north. what's gonna happen to them, and what about the somali forces will also bring in at the beginning of this war. when are they going to be allowed to go? many questions and only 10 monitors have been established in this whole process. yeah, it's a very fragile system and what about the fate of the disputed weapon to dry region,
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which is part of the drive, but was captured by a higher forces at the beginning of the conflict? absolutely, right. i mean, the only thing that that really applies to that is the 2 page agreement which was signed, where they said that they uphold the constitution of the federal democratic republic of ethiopia. now that constitution recognizes that western to grey as part of to greg, not if they're going to abide by the letter of this, then that should be returned to great. but i'd be interested to hear. busy what the colleague in a sub has to say about that, okay. hydrogen united have a but what do you have to say to that? and especially the question of when will originally and forces leave? if you from to my knowledge dennis and academy, can i connect? went this data to, to the, to the, to not the same to talk the existence of a return of me then what amount of time. i mean, the northern conflict is not approved yet. that doesn't depend what i'm going to
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say. that doesn't say above that, that it can go to my dentist about that and i can hear it from the t p. live said the problem that some international community where we start powers. so for this part, but since i don't have incredible information about the expense of syria, ok, i don't say anything about it regarding other issues and yeah, regarding the specially they offer with the quality, you know, that's kind of a line. yes. and content area, the argument clearly is people, it is that the, if you have been participation, we'll address the issue. this doesn't mean that they can, you know, by the way, the federal democrat, republican american doesn't say anything about the internet about that it will be depend federal, kansas, as all that we need kind of for the data for that part of the, of the discussion. i'm going to be at this hopefully with through the call tonight i let me give her a case. so respond on, on the point that there is no proof that every tree and forces are in northern to
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cry. and also ask you get replaces about the next step. they're clearly divisions and this cease fire is not going to solve them. what should happen next? i don't know what to say. you know, to your guys from the rebuilding practice. this is what we mean. you know, already year we see that you now really publish it, but you know, it, i even have got on the record to the government has admitted that it is of course, is not a just a public knowledge and he doesn't know about it. why would we need any war that he's difficult, you know, as far as, you know, void for what i think what i believe that this was really kind of like, hey, being kind of agreement. okay. and just i can, you know, how the needs,
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you know, kind of the name, ok. it's something. but i think that really should have addressed that. ok. think is the grand question is where we're lucky gone. and now we live at 55 with my friend. ok. gentlemen, we are very helpful, very interested to have peace put in this if you will only be a better to accept and to address middle. thank you so much. so many issues to address and so many questions that hopefully we'll get to discuss further here on august. yeah, we've run out of time for today's show. thank you so much for joining us. hired in 20 gibber case. those guys philosophy and martin plan. thank you. very much and thank you to for watching. you can always watches program again anytime by visiting our website at odyssey or a dot com for further discussion, go to our facebook page at facebook dot com for sash ha inside story. you can of course also join the conversation on twitter handle is
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