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wing prime minister deal with the found off and how much responsibility lies with the rest of the european union? this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm getting obligated. italy is new right wing prime minister is facing the 1st major test of her pledge to block migrant rescue ships. georgia maloney's government is refusing to allow hundreds of people to disembark at the sicilian port of cataneo, the, the norwegian flag charity vessel g o. barons arrived on saturday after rescuing 621 migrant on refugees, women and children and 6 people were allowed off. but the government says the men on board are not vulnerable and must leave italian waters. dozens of people are

stuck on another boat. the german flags, humanity, one humanitarian organizations are suing the italian government, saying everyone on the rescue ships are vulnerable and are entitled to protection under international law. we will never leave the port as long as there's one person on board our vessel, which has the right for international protection, which has the right to reach safe land. well, italy's interior minister says the rescue vessels are sailing under the flags of certain countries. and these countries must shoulder some of the responsibility for your senior language approach. and we want to point out our approach. we respect people, respect, human needs to respect these people's emergencies. but the end of this check, those who do not qualify according to the international organizations, must be taken out of territorial waters. so the ship will be asked to leave italian territorial waters. germany's government says it's working closely with italy. this

is about metal ish. it's important to all the rescue to people on board the ships can go ashore and all can be taken care of appropriately. and this is what we is the federal government. so continuing to work for, we were in close contact with italian authorities about these to ship and also about the other ships are involved in this issue. we're working very specifically to ensure that the refugees and migrants receive appropriate care. so it really is one of the main gateways into europe. and since the beginning of the year it seen a sharp increase and migrant arrivals. about $87000.00 people have arrived so far this year. bye. see that compared with $55000.00 in the same period last year. the majority set sale and small overcrowded boats and are mostly from egypt and is your and bangladesh, italian government figures. so half of all refugee applications are rejected. and this is usually because authorities believe another country is responsible for the claim. the,

let's not bring in our guest. joining us from room is cecilia study lotta, who is an italian political analyst and assistant professor at the university for foreigners. a producer, joe, and red jo calabria is her amena pawsman, who is a humanitarian activist and member of mission lifeline. she was involved in a rescue operation in red geo. and joining us from florence, it's valerie from john, who's a professor of politics of european integration at the university of floor. and welcome to you all. thanks so much for your time with us on inside story. i'll start off with me and watch men and read your 1st because from what i understand, you are with the crew from the german run, rise above vessel, which entered italian waters over the weekend. first of all, can you tell us about the conditions of the migrants and refugees on board and at how many there are to yes, so as you can see in front of the west, the rise above that was allowed to end to report this morning and all our guests

that were still on board were 289 guests and we could embark without any problems. and so now we don't have any guests on board anymore and, but in the last days, the condition of the them when really, really bad. so it went completely critically. we had to evacuate aid for medical reasons, at least 6 persons because they collapsed on board of our vessel. and yes, that was what, let me just tell us, tell us what led to the moment that everyone on board was allowed to disembark. because from what we understand from some of the other vessels, only women and children have been allowed to disembark and the men were not allowed to. we have and yet no inflammation about this. we got yesterday the 1st contact from the authorities and they told us we can go to the port of retro khadija

columbia. sorry. and but it was not given as a port of safety. and they were not given any reasons why we could enter this port . so we were just happy that we could enter the court and that the people are in need of. he doesn't bug ok. and once the refugee is a migraines, disembarked and entered the port, just give us a sense of where, where they go to next. and what sort of services and facilities are available to them. so you're at the court at the pier, there were some medical organizations for lisa on scene, and everybody was checked and also checked or injure injuries. and afterwards they were 2 by 2 buses and went to a like a gym or something in this way. and now they have to there i have no information about the conditions inside. ok, thank you so much for that. update from it as your let me go over to cecilia. so

we've been hearing from her mina that 89 people from, from the vessel that she is connected to have been allowed to disembark. but the fact is, you still have at least 2 other vessels, a stranded at sea, where the men so far are not allowed to disembark county thing, the stand up is going to be settled because rome as you've been hearing and says that the countries whose flags these angio boats are flying, they should bear the responsibilities for the migrants, had refugees, and they and jose are saying that italy is breeching international law by keeping the migrants on the ship. yes, absolutely. i think that what you just said is correct. i think that these are sort of a theory that the minister, interiors of italy put full. what about the fact that the, the states of the sheeps plants basically should be cooperating is not, doesn't really find any bases in international law. so i think that day, at the end, jose, in this sense, are correct in claiming debt, italy,

a diesel points out with the idea of selective des apartment a, d, a. d, a debt and the other states should be cooperating before people are put in a situation of safety is actually breaching international law. so i think, i mean, and then the stand off will find a solution. i think as it happened with many other senior situations which occurred in the past few years, i would just like to add deaths. i mean, we're devoting much more attention to the situation now. but actually, even in the past month when, you know, under my, your drug is watch, we witness several ships, no stain dos. so it took days before any medications before the so called migrant ships were able to were allowed to disembark the are ok,

how to go out. you're rid of maria drug because i'm going to come back to you a little later and, and just put to you what he said earlier this year when it came to the ukranian refugees. but let me bring in valerie a jonah and florence for just a moment. so the charities, the indians have denied circumventing procedures and they say that it's their duty to protect people that are in distress, etc. but as we know, the new italian government has campaigns on a hard line migration policy. so for the new prime minister, is she just carrying out the promises that she made to her voters? a so i guess that's what she's doyle on made streaming, disappointed with what italian government is doing, but i'm also disappointed with european union. unfortunately, the issue, the migration is initial, which is unresolved that you level. so, i mean, kelen government is not behaving well. i think actually i'm

a shame of being italian right now. i'm at the same time that the point is that the countries on the mediterranean, obviously face a burden when it comes to migration. and this burden cannot be only handled by the countries that are the facing them editor in which is greece, italy, spain, or cyprus, a milder. and if we look at what the, i mean, the legal basis of you action are and look at what the treaty and the functioning of the european union says. absolutely, we see that it's a shared responsibility, but it's not just a legal issue. if we look at a legal issue and we would have to a mention article $7083.00, which says of the threat of treaty and the function of the european union india event of one or more member states being confronted. i'm reading the article, an emergency situation, characterized by a sudden inflow of nationals of 3rd countries. the council on a proposal from the commission may adopt visual measures for the benefit of the

members. they'd concern. but still this is not such an emergency situation. if you look at the numbers, and this is the point, and this is a situation if we confront, if we compare the numbers of what's going on, it's not such a huge number of people. this is not a big crisis. as the current government is pretending it's for political reasons because this, this issue migration arises public opinion and, and the government is prime sort of it sir. i'm gonna use. busy a hard term at a distraction, a from big shoes because we're talking about a few 100 people. ready and in fact, it for the other ship, it was only 34 people that were left on board. so we booked it up an enormous bottom right. valerie, but let me ask you this. i mean, this issue of migration has been a burning political issue since yeah, at least 2014. when there were a lot of migrants turning up on european shore. so to what extent that,

that fuel the rise off both the league and maloney's brother, so mentally party which is now are right when governments in place yes, definitely it's ability. as i said, the issue has been like his eyes. if we look at long term interest of europe, we need more migrants and this is something that was completely overlooking. so it's, it's just, it's a matter distraction on the issue. but the real problem is that in europe, we do not have enough workers to take care for instance, of our aging population. so we actually need more migrants, but in fact, it's not just in italy, also another european countries. we had the rise of right wing calculus parties and, and for then migration it is initially you can focus all of the attention so that you don't really look at what the problems are. okay, and i'm hearing in her mean i for a moment just for the sake of time, armina over to you and read a note and g o. at least government adopted him as a recent law, a recently formalizing the closer of its ports to rescue ships that are run by

humanitarian groups such as yours. do you expect the wider crackdown on n g o's and if so, how is that going to impact your work? so actually, hopefully, this will not happen because this will be a step back to the year 2018 where exactly the same happened. and as we all know, there were a lot of trials and cases the on course, but in any cases, so the n g o side got right and did nothing wrong. so we're acting completely with the law. and i cannot imagine that something like, like you minutes area and 8 will be criminalized in this way. and hopefully it will not happen again like this as a failure. we keep talking about the right when government, that's an that's currently in place right now. when the migration policies, but the, the, this incident signal, the step back for italian authorities or is this new governments simply

resurrecting policies that we've seen implemented in the past. for example, in 2018, 2019, you had closed ports policy implemented by the interior minister and far right leader. my tell us on vini. yes, absolutely, to boise has been consistent over the years. and that will even add that in fact, the current sort of st for framework that's equally adults for the management or migration which is geared towards a securitization on migration, like treating migrants as a security threat. will something that was introduced before even solving it wasn't government by a democratic party that he had sent a left of government. right. so technically things haven't changed that much. so in terms of framework, what, of course, as the calling in florence was, was saying what it would change and what he's changing is sort of the instrumental a zation of these issues. and i would add to the previous question. you ask, i think it's very important to consider that again, we are witnessing this kind of war being waged against angie owes,

but even blocking and yos wouldn't solve the problem. and if you look at the figures like how many people arrive, be meeting the bus and days. and i think we're like about 9000 people arrived to a shores and, and actually only one about 1000 where on board angel ships re. so, and waging this war against and jose wouldn't even start to deal with the problem if we want to call it like a problem. ok, cecilia, here's the thing. valerie was saying a moment ago that this could be a way for the government to distract from the domestic issues that are going on in the country. i mean, do you agree with that? because as we saw in the election, the main issues for voters were the rising energy prices. it wasn't flacier, it was italy's policy towards russia and ukraine. but at the same time, the prime minister in the parties, a did campaign on a hard line and t migration platform and they've been elected into power. so do

italians expect a hard line policy when it comes to migration? snag, we went under percent with a colleague and broke up in florence. absolutely. it's a diverse, like it's kind of a diverting attention towards a fabricated problem because in fact, even edaly is elect, the rate that would say was and still is very much worried about the coastal living cries is energy, war, etc. and, but at the same time, migration is always been on highly controversial issue. and so it's very convenient right now for the government. i wouldn't even say that this is a test for the government. the quite the opposite. the it is very convenient for each of these gun right now to be able to talk about migration rather than explaining to the country how they're gonna deal again with the coastal living crisis. what it, what, what the plans are for the future. in terms of, you know, security, a, b, b, d, in russia, ukraine, war,

et cetera. ok. let's bring in valerie and florence. i know this and this could be a bit of a general question, but how much support do you think? how much public support valerie, do you think there is an italy for a heart or a migration policy? well, i think we, 1st of all, we should remember that only 26 percent of the, of those who went out and voted actually voted for maloney. and although okay, we have a sent the right or already steve, right? government in our but that doesn't correspond to the majority of the population in italy because they were 60000000 people that simply didn't go out and bone. so we should remember that a lot of people in italy are not actually supporting the current government. okay. so it's, it's due to the electoral law and actually if you look at the importance of a n g o in italy and especially of the catholic church, you will see that

a lot of people are in fact in favor of it from the protocol migration. oh, can you rely on it has a very interesting survey that was made about a year ago and it shows how perceptions can so to be even wrong. and but what im out of that you are there on with a survey, is that a lot of people in europe felt that the, in the presence of migrants in their own country was much higher than it truly is. and which means that a problems with the perception, so the issues policy decides in a depend, what is the message that the political parties are handing out? okay, let me jump in there for the sake of time. my apologies, armina from what you've seen on the ground, how much hostile has at least policies towards migrants and asylum seekers become in recent years. was listed as really a big impact and the people who, when you're, when you are at sea outside you can see the people are really, really suffering in immediate danger of life. and that is also if they are kept on

the ships um like, yeah, like hostages, i would say a horrible scenario that you can see and the people are really, really suffering. and i think it's in absolutely no go, that the politics are deciding the decisions on the ship about the people and the ships. right? that were just from, from a distance case, celia and rome you were mentioning mario dragging at the beginning of the program. so this is what he said earlier this year, and i'm quoting italy has welcomed refugees from ukraine with open arms. more than 85000, mostly women and children have sought shelter from the war in our country. italians have thrown open the doors of their homes and of their schools. we will not look the other way. i mean, you know, a lot of people say the double standard here are really, really glaring. is a certain type of refugee then that they want to be allowed into italy. i think it's a, it's a, it's up to the evidence to anyone right at this double standard there. why are we

treating, for instance, syrian refuge asylum seekers and ukrainian? i some seekers differently, right. and we also saw certain things that we wouldn't have wanted to see on the a for instance, in european border we, ukraine where for instance, ukrainian citizens who were not white where it rejected for instance, right. or to be there were told to go back to the end of the q and they were not being left in. so i think there is absolutely, there is a double standard in this, in this sense, and actually maloney blade and also saline during the electoral campaign natalie. they were use and is a lot they were saying for instance, that those who come and the crow, those will cross them and didn't mimic iranian or chips. they're not real migrants, right? like there are real refugees, a real refugees are for instance, ukrainian ones. right? so this kind of narrative, i think, is very dangerous, like sort of discriminating between who is a natural, you know, good refugee or who is, is not. i think it's, it's very, very tricky,

right. valerie, what is the role here for european countries as a whole? you were, you were mentioning the responsibility and where it lies just a moment ago. i mean, we saw european countries come together and share responsibility when it came to ukrainian refugees. and rightly so, because a refugee is a refugee at the end of the day. but when it comes to people coming from other countries, what is the role of european countries and how do you get them to share that responsibility with countries like italy, for example? yeah, as well. my answer is that unfortunately, right now, the majority of european political leaders are very short sighted. so they are really concentrating on short term issues and very often on falling the next elections at. so it's very difficult to have a long term strategy. this is what we're missing europe. now. africa is right in

front of us. it's the continent right in front of us. we seem to be ignoring what's going on in back confident because we keep pushing our own agenda. for instance, the digit duct transition, a priority is digital position, a priority. in the case of africa, maybe we should consider what's actually going on in that continent. toe earnings, as we're talking about 9000 people over the recent days. we should be considering that in the case of the african continent, you have in eternal displaced a migrant and so called displaced persons, and internally forcibly displaced. we're talking about millions. you bounded a has 1000500 refugees in its own territory. so the size of what's going on in africa, it's so much bigger than what comes over to europe. and if we don't understand that it's in our own interest, an indian crystal, the african continent to approach the issue in a different way. i think it's really gonna that fire on us, right, loyal it,

and i have a need. let me ask you this, then we'll italy's tough, new approach to divide you members. because following a one of the vessels that entered the italian waters, berlin denied any responsibility for the ship. that vessel flying under a german flag berlin saying we have nothing to do with this. an italy should be the one to allow rescued people ashore. but then you heard from hunger is prime minister victor or urban who said, that's quote, we owe a big thank you to maloney's government. we are very far from solidarity. so the dairy is written is what is written in our treaties. we are very far from sort of, there is the and the point is that, so the better is also in our only chris. so what we're doing right now is, from my point of view, is not in the interest of europe, the kind of approach it would take into the problem. and the fact that we're not supporting a company such as italy, because it's clear that italy cannot take all of the responsibility for what's

happening. but we should also be aware that migrant said, coming into europe even from other parts of the world, but just need them to get there. anyone is right. just a small my not you people coming from the military. ok. cecilia final words to you if you'd like to comment on what valerie was saying, we have about 30 seconds left on the program. yes, absolutely. i think that the big issue here is a hub, the short sightedness, so to speak, of the political, late in europe. and we really and the wrong thing, just to conclude is that now george milani's, rightly calling for more slowly, di, would you from the you. but actually the leaders of that which are against that, of course, your opinion, your i, precisely, the national is leaders that are also considered to be her sort of political allies and counterparts like my bond for instance. well, you know, there are docks there on that. no, thank you so much for joining us. thanks to all my guest cecilia with a lot her me to postman and binary for john. thank you so much. thank you for

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