tv The Stream Al Jazeera November 8, 2022 10:30pm-11:01pm AST
10:30 pm
possibly the greatest football of the world there's ever seen was, was fairly the country's traditional national sports rugby union has often overshadowed football in wales. but the journey to cats are 2022 has seen the football team take the spotlight. rugby has always represented what it means to be . wow, certainly sort of outside wells. i think wash football team have now taken on that mantle. the players are heroes in this country. everybody. foutz really emotional about 2016 and hearing that out from the welsh anthem for the 1st time in a major tournament. but i think going to kat are and hearing it against the u. s. a . in that 1st game, that will be something else. ah wales may not need to come to the spirit of 1958 when they kick off on november 21st. the spirit of 2022 seems to be enough. maurice out his era caught him. right. one person who bought a parable ticket in southern california has one a you ready for it?
10:31 pm
record breaking $2040000000.00. that's the largest lottery prize in world history. the drawing of the winning numbers was delayed for several hours overnight due to issues with processing sales. the jackpot is 400000000 more than the previous record after rolling over for more than 3 months. ah, the top, sorry, 0. now to 0, americans are voting in crucial mid term elections, which could see the democrats lose control of congress. appending the rest of jo biden's presidency at stake are all 435 seats in the house of representatives of 35 seats in the senate. polls suggest republicans will take the house, but the race to control the senate looks tighter, coming down to close elections in pennsylvania, georgia, arizona, and nevada. according to the brookings institution,
10:32 pm
345 candidates on the congressional ballot back, donald trump's false claim that 2020 election was flawed. she ab returns the is on capitol hill with more on what this means for biden's presidency. remain like true biden, who was just wants to be love his uncle, joe. i remember what he ran on in 2020. i'm going to bring back normality to america reconciliation. just a mere fact that his main closing argument was america was at the crossroads. democracy is at stake to shows how he's failed on his, on what he was pledging in 2020, which was bring back normality and not necessarily address the root causes of that sense of alienation which makes so many people go towards. trump, for example, makes people think the entire system is rig both on the left and the right. that a rescue ship with 234 migrants on board is hoping to let people off in france after being refused entry by italy's new far right government. but the italian
10:33 pm
government has allowed all 89 people on board. the german run rise above a shore in radio calabria, after being rescued in the mediterranean, who under is accusing the democratic republic of congo or provocation. after a congo lease fighter jet entered for wend an air space. the d r c says it was a mistake congolese planes have been targeting m 23 rebels in the east of the country. more than 3000 new army recruits have also started training in the city of goma. those are headlines, stay with us. the stream is coming up next. ah thank
10:34 pm
hi, i'm semi ok. venezuela refugees, a migrant intent on rick gym, united states by land face a new challenge. deportation to mexico. many due to new regulations can not get into united states and so they are stuck south of the united states order to day on the stream. what lies ahead in the future for the displace migrants and refugees from venezuela. that is, i show in for to you joy. ah, it i conversation today, we have manuel, we have a lane, a get to have both of you with us, manuel. will you remind our audience around the world who you are and what you do? hello everybody. my name is manuel rappa lu. i am a reporter, a correspondent for al jazeera, covering latin america based in mex, co city. good to have you and elaina welcome to the string we say hello tri view is
10:35 pm
around the world. tell them who you are and what you do. yes. hello, i'm elaine now leha. i am the associate director for programs. and the answer is to have you are viewers around the world if you're new to the comment section is now live for your comments. we're talking about venezuela migrants and refugees, but your comments, your questions right here for our guest, manuel. and oh, so for elaina, i am going to start with some video that is really disturbing. i want you to understand views, what is happening to many venezuelans who are seeking safety and security in the united states. so this is a us agents shooting rubber, bullets at venezuela's have a look. he dug on the find lowville me when i was in the river, they shot at me once and then again and again, they're cowards. they mistreat us because we are on armed poor and worked and
10:36 pm
people as every one else we have our rights. this is how they resemble timothy nessa. jonathan. i'm on my 3rd it money. the united states agents that there was so determined not to let venezuelans into the u. s. is this an uptake in the way that they're being treated or is it just that we got video this time so we can see what's happening? i think it may be a little bit of both because tv cameras aren't always there. they're not always present. at times like this, i believe that video is from just the just from last month in october. i think if i'm not mistaken, in the, in the city of reynosa on the other side of the border from macallan, texas, what we're seeing there is just basically the face of desperation. people who have been waiting on the border for several days, if not weeks, waiting for an opportunity to plead their a silent cases to us. officials finding that since mid october, since october 12th,
10:37 pm
and later october 19th, when a change in policy occurred to a policy of the united states are known as title $42.00 that's now impacting specifically been as well and citizens. anyone arriving by land is not automatically able to enter the united states and what you're seeing is hundreds of not thousands of people growing desperate because they feel like they're stuck in mexico on leave, organize themselves. they've organized more choose and protests, essentially, begging a u. s. officials to allow them to plead their asylum cases, to allow them to go through the traditional asylum process into the united states, which has been up ended for the better part of the last 6 years, i would say. so elena is if this imposition of title 42, which was brought in by the trump administration and it and it was behind cove it so the trump of ministrations have because of cov 19. it is dangerous for
10:38 pm
migrants, for refugees to come into the nice states. so we're not even going to check to see if they are assignments because we're just going to pack them straight back where they came from. now, if they couldn't find another country, they were not able to do that. so venezuelans were not subject to title 42 until quite recently, and that's from mexico said it's okay. you can send the migrants to mexico. do you think a deal with some behind the scenes at helena? how did that can? yes. of course that, i mean there have been ongoing deals because title 42 needs. they cooperation from mexico to accept the expulsion of everyone who's being rejected that the board and so at the beginning, mexico west, quite open and accepted a wide array of nationalities back into the country. and we can see that he changed when mexico said i am not accepting central americans and most south americans back
10:39 pm
into mexico. and then that's when they, you started to send them by airplane, back to their countries of origin, not at the quotation, but an expulsion. i need was stuck with me cut out once a bit of sway lens a i and i'm blanking on that 3rd nation. i and he because he does not have diplomatic rebates. yes. for no. can't use any. how could i teach in best he can't while can you explain to venezuela? if you don't have political relations with him, i said this is such a politically political move. i am ricardo is is picking up, punish economist on ye. cheap right now. so he caught and says, money, the policy may change after them the times, but i'm not sure how economy is putting a connection between politics and immigration of co says connection money. what do you think you think this, this will change often attempts a 100 percent? well, this kind of saying no, yes. yeah, i didn't get that last part. yeah. but no. a 100 percent. yes,
10:40 pm
this is politics. i have been visiting the micro g migrant assistance offices or the refugee assistance offices here in mexico city every week for the past few weeks. i recently spoke with an organizer from doctors without borders whose words specifically to me when i asked her that question were, we have seen the humanitarian consequences of politics and it shouldn't be that way . right. and this isn't just about title 40 to title 42, and i'll just add very quickly that 3rd nationality. i believe that hello that elena was talking about is cubans. it's venezuelans nicaraguans. and you asked very difficult for the united states to return them to, to their countries of origin when they don't have diplomatic ties with those countries. but in the case of venezuelans, this um, the actual politics that is, that have been affecting them date back to before title 42 to january of this year, where mexico began requiring that venezuelans arriving in mexico have visas to
10:41 pm
inter mexico. and what this did was it made it very, very difficult for venezuelans who previous to that were flying to mexico and then trying to get into the united states. they're no longer able to fly here because they don't have a visa to get into mexico. and so their taking the long way they're traveling by land making their way across 7 countries through very, very dangerous territory. then getting into mexico, finding that the southern border of mexico is now essentially the southern border of the united states. at the request of the united states under pressure, political pressure from the united states, mexico has been for lack of a better term, forced to adapt in immigration policy. you know how cable, when you say what eleanor's laughing, you're laughing at my naive a t n a. how can you say that mexico is false? what did the u. s. state and mexico go ahead and get well i, i think we don't know when mexico has claimed for
10:42 pm
a long time since the beginning of 42 was that he was forced at the beginning it was the threat of parents from the trumpet ministration. but now clearly, there has to be some type of agreement in which it is in mexico, best interest to be and the 1000 border of the united states. and it is being, it's not only requesting the visa as, as many was saying that started at the beginning of the year. but now we really this policy of cooperating with the expulsion. now what makes it go is trying to do to kind of be in the middle is it has reached an agreement with venezuela and they are putting in place these type of voluntary returns like from mexico back to when, when i'm there are also no concerns about the safety and their well being of those individuals who are returned back to venice when i'm going to bring in a new voice interact conversation. this is kara, lina and tower. lena is noted that there is going to be an impact on this new
10:43 pm
policy for what happens to venezuela migrants and refugees. he, she has this, what she told us, that he around 7100000 venezuelan has 50 countries in recent years, then hopefully convert to money, dia, emergency, and the human vice crisis. these kinds of humanity of emergency before the us, both conscience on the country's economy. but the sanction made the humanitarian crisis worse. when it, when i need to national fiction. unfortunately, only think, lamented by the government, the united states and mexico recently. what the life of my address, and i just figured out and then there is nodding. so this new policy who is a healthy help in the united states keep control of its borders. so is it helping
10:44 pm
my pets refugees who really need the help? elena? i will go back to the comment about the politics and i think that this is very important. this is that i don't think it's a matter of control of the us border by 3 me falling into a political context in which he migration is now being viewed as a threat. and he's being used masterfully by the republican party. and that's really the challenge. and of course, with this policy, i'm returning individual tour many venezuela back prevented when we really are observing that it's the breakdown of the principle of refugee protection that no one is going to be forcibly return to the country that they are lee. and this really represents a moment of crisis for international protection in the american i'm just going to go to what the department for homer security sent to us when we asked them for
10:45 pm
a comment. they sent us a very long statement. i'm going to pick out a few things from their statement. these actions are part of the biden harris administration's ongoing efforts to reduce irregular migration throughout the western hemisphere, including the u. s. united states is seeing a rising rate of venezuelans encountered at our border over the past 2 years. then i'm going to skip down here to $360000000.00 in additional humanitarian assistance for people affected by the venezuelan regional crisis. manuel. so this policy is now in place. it means that a venezuelans, they cannot seek asylum in the united states by crossing the border by land. they have to do it by other means. they have to have a relative in the united states, and they have to do it via mexico. so, is this solving part of the issue of venezuelans, a migrants coming into the united states is this part of the way the u. s. is
10:46 pm
addressing the issue, man is doing this, we reside her growth because you know, wish the years and where's the answer was yours or is a good thing does it is the rhetoric, the rhetoric that we hear from the bio administration tends to be one of this desire to provide humanitarian support, but the reality on the ground is, is far from that. right. so i think right now the policies that are that are being put in place, for example, we're talking about title $42.00, and we had that question comment from catalina, about whether or not that's going to disappear after the mid term elections. one thing that we hear from immigration policy experts overwhelmingly on both sides of the border in the united states here in mexico. if there is one thing that could really take some of that pressure off of the humanitarian crisis that's playing out under this current wave of migration from been as well as from that as well and is
10:47 pm
comprehensive immigration reform that has to come from the u. s. congress, if democrats in the united states who have controlled the house and senate for the last few years, we're unable to bring us comprehensive immigration in these. yeah, yeah. well, i think that we also need to look at the numbers. this idea of the payroll program has a cap of 24000. that number is ridiculous. and it also reflects the lack of an integration policy. the u. s. has no policy in place to welcome an asylum seekers and to offer them to basic protection. and so rather than deal and the sign, the policy does not have it simply decided to continue with the externally station . i'm boy or boarders that the trump administration put in place. and that was the problem is that this administration was not going to put in place. i also think that the idea of an in comprehensive immigration reform represent the political
10:48 pm
challenge of such magnitude, particularly today that we are in elections. we know that that's almost going to be impossible. so it also seems to be necessary to start thinking about smaller concrete reforms that can actually and hopefully pass congress. otherwise, there's, the system continues to be unable to respond to the challenges that come to like the us he's going to be facing and immigration coming forward. let me bring in alan's voice here because i was thinking about what immigration reform would look like. and he spoke to us a few hours ago, harry is and then manny just bounce off the back of our for the time being there are still thousands of them as well in south with order assess interactions and deciding what to do. hundreds of already made the decision to travel back home, taking advantage of buses and claims provided by panama, guatemala, and mexico. others still are going to make the decision to come to the united
10:49 pm
states, but without seeking asylum. and instead intending to cross the border regularly and hope that they are not taken into custody. but regardless, when we consider the scale of what is happening at the board right now, venezuelans find themselves caught in a political morass. despite the binding ministrations commitment to supposedly restoring command of carrying protection at the border. right now, venezuelans find themselves cut off from the possibility of asylum. so there's a lot of important things that were said there just now the one thing that struck out to me was that with this commitment made by the, by the administration to provide a humanitarian approach. one thing that we hadn't seen previous to the administration during the 4 years of the trump administration. and what unfortunately is happening is that with title 42, for example, we did, we, we keep reading up title 42, title 42 was essentially put in place during the pandemic as a, as a, as a health measure at the, at the height of the worst of the, of the code,
10:50 pm
1900 emergency, but who's really used it and abused it, i would say is the by the administration. the vitamin ministration has been using title 42 as a pretext to conduct express deportations. what is an express p for taishan? it's when you take an asylum seeker, a migrant who's trying to plead in asylum case to us immigration official, but they are not given that due process. they are detained, they're held for a few days, and then they're expelled. to mexico, the problem that we're seeing here in mexico is that even though this is by all accounts of bilateral agreement between the us and mexico for mexico to be taking in all these migrants that the united states doesn't want, is that mexico doesn't have a plan for these people, so yes, there is a need for immigration reform, and when we're talking about may be doing the right thing at a smaller level with the title 42. what about migrant children? what about unaccompanied miners who form a major part of the overall migration phenomenon? what about people who are unable to find a sponsor in the united states?
10:51 pm
mexico is not prepared to how these tens of thousands of people. let me just let me just throw a couple of numbers your way because the overall migration trend, the overall migration profile of mexico has completely changed over the last few years. in 2015, there were 3500 asylum requests in mexico, mexico. the country of migration, there's people that transit through the country, others, people that are internally displaced and also add to the migration for the united states. it's also a country that that helps asylum seekers and provide the refuge for people who are seeking it. but that was 3500 people in 2000. and 15 last year there were a 130000 requests for asylum in mexico. and this year were expecting to reach somewhere around 200000 requests for asylum in mexico, mexico. as the government does not have the resources to provide assistance to all these people, money, you sent us an example for not having those resources looks like. so you spoke to
10:52 pm
people who were and who are in mexico. they refugees that mike was, they would like to be in the united states, but instead they off dock. and this is what they told you earlier. yes, i'm arguing how can i go my we're outside the refugee assistance office. they're helping us out with the permit to remain in mexico city. we're waiting to see what offer to these were given. were all waiting here, as you can see, many people here sleeping on the street like myself, waiting for people to come by and bring us help and blanket something to eat on their pregnant women. here it's been difficult. i've been here for several days waiting for an answer on my gotcha, i'm a, we arrived in mexico city and we have no way to stay. the shelters are completely full. i've asked and they tell me that they can't take anymore people. we've been through very painful situations and now we've been forced to sleep on the street, obviously bus you on a elena, what did you want to add? i had a thought, go ahead. yeah. well,
10:53 pm
i think it's also important to underscore safety in mexico, and we are aware and there are number of plenty of reports about how unsafe mexico parts of the territory that are controlled by criminal organizations. and that's also another layer of threat and of suffering that the venezuelan people are having to endure any mexico accepted the deal with the united states. he definitely needed the resources and to increase its capacity in its refugee agency. and what we noticed that that is not the case. another level of problem is also that mexico continues every single month to a increase and increase its record of number of persons who are in detention. most of these venezuelans are detained. any so need attention when they have a chance to talk to someone and to expect that they want to seek asylum. so that's on to another level of danger, threat and suffering that the venezuela people are okay are experiencing. and i
10:54 pm
think we need to see that as well. elena, i am money. we have a lot of response on line and not of all of it is empathetic. so i would like you, i'm going to for a few ideas at you, instant response because i think this can be an educational process for or of, of you as an all of us. so cop car says it is dangerous every way. stay in your own country, elena, you say to call con walt, i would say it's not danger that in every country. danger is different and we have to consider both the political repression be economic sanctions and criminality and venezuela to understand way venezuela speak. and he says, everyone should have the right to migrate wherever they want to be, and be safe and happy. we are helping venezuelans in peru. many i think that countries across latin america have opened their doors to been as well in migrants. the problem is that not all countries in latin america are in
10:55 pm
a position where they can help. there are many countries who are facing their own crises. there are many, many countries where work opportunities may have existed for venezuelans in the past. and those opportunities as of the coven, 1900 emergency, have disappeared. they've dissipated. and they forced another wave of displacement, which is why we're seeing of migrants from venezuela seeing little other option, other than to, to seek refuge in the united states. and there's a lot of conversation about venezuela being a beautiful country. why can't people live in venezuela? alina again, is this something that is not being communicated well to our view, as to citizens around the world? who do not understand why venezuelans will go for a die a journey in order to go via land to get to mexico, to seek asylum in the united states. what else do you need to tell them?
10:56 pm
i think that the problem is that the, the crisis in venezuela has been going on for a long time. i mean, it has definitely lost presence in the media. but he spoke the political crisis, but he told when economic crisis very much impacted by the economic sanctions. and we know that economic sanctions do not work, but they continue to use that diplomatic to at the expense of their population and with other crisis in other parts of the world. we really have lost venezuela from the, from the raider. but it is an ongoing crisis, as a bureau commented, more than 7000000 venezuelans have been forced to feed their country. and many of them have tried to settling that in america. but precisely because would be economic conditions and the lack of integration programs. many of them are simply not able to survive with some level of basic dignity, you know, one well being and that's what, what's pushing many of them to the north. all right, money, i'm going to end on 11 more voice because we've been talking about people who left
10:57 pm
the unconscious. not because they wanted to, but they felt that they had to. and i think it's really interesting, even though many. i'll stock a mexico right now, that they have no intention, regardless of what our viewers are saying, of going back home. you spoke to one gentleman, he was very adamant about not going home. him is oh yes. when you say i would have lights to continue the goal i had in minds of reaching the united states, becoming established, finding work, and given my son a good educational, ha ha. but if this is no longer possible, i can't pass up the opportunity that mexico is giving us. if i have to remain here, i'll remain here. but i'm not returning to venezuela. i don't want to live under the regime. it's too much for fantasy linds, venezuelans and not migrating because it's a luxury to reach the us when migrating for a better quality of life, which unfortunately, we have not found in other countries in latin america because the economy is not
10:58 pm
stable. there are many countries in crisis, only that some habit worse than others. ha, in we for the but a lot. so i can't think of 3 people. i'd rather have had this conversation with you audience. excellent. appreciate you. alayna and also manny as well. it's not often that we get to spend a full 25 minutes wrestling with such a complicated issue of read his wayland migrants and refugees trying to leave their home country and seeking asylum. thanks for watching everybody. i will see you next time take. ah ah.
10:59 pm
11:00 pm
still think it's still thriving in the coastal mountains of the sierra nevada destinations frontline. this story night towed on al jazeera. i care about helping us engages with the rest of the world. we're really interested in taking you in to a place you might not visit otherwise and feel as if you were there. the climate has changed every year for millions of years, decades of talk, but little action. it's all about distract, create confusion to create smoke and mirrors. the shocking truth about how the climate debate has been systematically subverted. the oil industry was a main bank roller or opposition to contact the campaign against the climate. do you think that's a bad thing more to to and did with things absolutely on on disease. ah.
35 Views
Uploaded by TV Archive on
![](http://athena.archive.org/0.gif?kind=track_js&track_js_case=control&cache_bust=209195938)