again, is a very real one. 0, in another part of the city, a soviet era and nuclear bunker is being used to show a football mansion authorities here say they feel it's important to provide entertainment. watching the football match in a nuclear bunker may not be normal, but it's a chance for them to come together. oh yeah we oh, i like the atmosphere here. i'm cheering for my football team and i believe we went over the rule. it would do better to watch it in a stadium. but do you hear that? what do you hear because of the situation in the country green? ah, and just for a moment, they forget the war outside and have something to cheer about. i said, bake. i visitor, who very, ah, this is al jazeera, these are the top stories, the house and senate still hang on the balance hours after polls close in the u. s . midterm elections votes are still being counted in several crucial states. all

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ah hi, i'm semi ok. venezuela. refugees and migrant intent on rick gym, united states. why land face a new challenge? deportation to mexico, many due to new regulations cannot get into united states and so they are stuck south of the united states order to day on the stream. what lies ahead in the future for the displace migrants and rescue fees from venezuela. that is, i show, in 14 joy ah, in i conversation today, we have manuel, we have elaina, get to have both of you with us, manuel, will you remind our audience around the world who you are and what you do? hello everybody. my name is manuel rap. hello, i am a reporter,

a correspondent for al jazeera, covering latin america and based in mex, co city gets a, having an elaina. welcome to the string we say hello to our viewers around the world. tell them who you are and what you day. yes. hello, i'm elaine now leha. i am the associate director for programs and the answer is to have you are viewers around the world if you're new to the comment section is now live for your comments. we're talking about venezuela migrants and refugees, but your comments, your questions right here for our guest, manuel. and oh, so for elaina, i am going to start with some video that is really disturbing. i want you to understand, view it, what is happening to many venezuelans who are seeking safety and security in the united states. so this is a us agents shooting rubber, bullets at venezuela's have a look. he dug on the final bill made when i was in the river. they shot at me once and then again and

again, they're cowards. they mistreat us because we are on armed poor and working people. as every one else we have our rights. this is how they received this letter from within a mom or 30 day money. the united states agents that they were so determined not to let venezuelans into the u. s. is this an uptake in the way that they're being treated or is it just that we got video this time so we can see what's happening? i think it may be a little bit of both because tv cameras aren't always there. they're not always present. at times like this, i believe that video is from just the just from last month in october. i think if i'm not mistaken, in the, in the city of reynosa on the other side of the border from macallan, texas, what we're seeing there is just basically the face of desperation. people who have been waiting on the border for several days, if not weeks,

waiting for an opportunity to plead their a silent cases to us. officials finding that since mid october, since october 12th, and later october 19th, when a change in policy occurred to a policy of the united states are known as title $42.00 that's now impacting specifically been as well and citizens. anyone arriving by land is not automatically able to enter the united states. and what you're seeing is hundreds of not thousands of people growing desperate because they feel like they're stuck in mexico on the organize themselves. they've organized more shoes and protests, essentially, begging us officials to allow them to plead their asylum cases, to allow them to go through the traditional asylum process into the united states, which has been up, ended up for the better part of the last 6 years. i would say, so elena is if this imposition of title 42, which was brought in by the trump administration, and it, and it was behind cove,

it so the trumpet, ministrations up because of covey. 19, it is dangerous for migrants for refugees to come into the united states. so we're not even going to check to see if they are assigned to seek us. we're just going to pack them straight back where they came from. now, if they couldn't find another country, they were not able to do that. so venezuelans were not subject to title 42 until quite recently, and that's from mexico said it's okay. you can send the migrants to mexico. do you think a deal with some behind the scenes at helena? how did that change? yes. of course. i mean there have been ongoing deals because title 40 to meet the cooperation from mexico to accept the expulsion of everyone who's being rejected that the board. and so at the beginning, mexico west, quite open and accepted a wide array of nationalities back into the country. and we can see that he changed

when mexico said i am not accepting central americans and most south americans back into mexico. and then that's when they, you started to send them by airplane, back to their countries of origin, not a deputation, but an expulsion i need was stuck with nick. and i once a bit of sway lens a at, and i'm blanking on that 3rd nation. i and he, because he does not have diplomatic relations. yes. for no con, you sent me. how could i teach them best? he can't. while, can you explain to venezuela? if you don't have political relations with them? i said this is such a politically political move and ricardo is, is picking up on a chicago on the chief right now. so he caught and says, money, the policy may change off to them the times. but i'm not sure how economies is putting a connection between politics and immigration of co says connection money. what do you think to think this this will change often? no pants. a 100 percent?

well, this kind of thing. no, yes. i didn't get that last part. yeah. no, a 100 percent? yes, this is politics. i have been visiting the my, her g migrant assistance offices or the refugee assistance offices here in mexico city every week for the past few weeks. i recently spoke with an organizer from doctors without borders whose words specifically to me when i asked her that question were, we have seen the humanitarian consequences of politics and it shouldn't be that way . right. and this isn't just about title 40 to title 42, and i'll just add very quickly that 3rd nationality. i believe that hello that elena was talking about is cubans. it's venezuelans nicaraguans. and you asked very difficult for the united states to return them to, to their countries of origin when they don't have diplomatic ties with those countries. but in the case of venezuelans, this of the actual politics that is, that a bit affecting them. dave, back to before title 42 to january of this year,

where mexico began requiring that venezuelans arriving in mexico have visas to inter mexico. and what this did was it made it very, very difficult for venezuelans who previous to that were flying to mexico and then trying to get into the united states. they're no longer able to fly here because they don't have a visa to get into the mexico. and so they're taking the long way they're traveling by land making their way across 7 countries of through very, very dangerous territory. then getting into mexico, finding that the southern border of mexico is now essentially the southern border of the united states. so at the request of the united states under pressure, political pressure from the united states, mexico has been for lack of a better term, forced to adapt the immigration policy. you had it was danny, how came say for his house. and he said, what alan is laughing, you're laughing at my naivety adena. how can you say that mexico was false? what did the usa to mexican?

well, i, i think we don't know what mexico has claimed for a long time since the beginning of title 42 was that he was forced at the beginning, it was the threat of parents from the trumpet administration. but now clearly, there has to be some type of agreement in which it is in mexico's best interest to b, and there's 1000 border of the united states, and it is being, it's not only requesting the b as, as many was saying that started in the beginning of the year, but now it's really this policy of cooperating with the explosions. now what mexico is trying to do to kind of be in the middle is it has reached an agreement with venezuela and they are putting in place this type of voluntary return flights from mexico back to witness will. and there are also no concerns about the safety and their well being of those individuals who are returned back to venice when i'm going to bring in a new voice into our conversation. this is catalina. alina has notice that there is

going to be an impact on this new policy for what happens to venezuela migrants and refugees. he, she is this what she told us, idea. around 7100000 venezuelan, i flipped the country in recent years. then as soon as i'm sleep with him on the day, an emergency in the human ice crisis, these conflicts him on the day of emergency it before the with both sanctions on the country's economy. but the sanction made the humanitarian crisis is when i need to the national unfortunately, policies implemented by the government, united states and mexico recently. life over this with my address and a site of figures elena is nodding, so this new policy who is a healthway's helping the united states can't control of its borders. so as

a helping my pets refugees who really need the help. elena, i will go back to the comment about the politics and i think that this is very important. this is a problem. let's see that i don't think it's a matter of control. the u. s. boarded body 3 me falling into a political context in which immigration is now being viewed as a threat and is being used masterfully by the republican party. and that's really the challenge. and of course, with this policy, i'm returning individuals who are meeting venezuela back to business when we really are observing that it's the breakdown of the principal refugee protection that no one is going to be forcibly return to the country that they are lee. and this really represents a moment of crisis for international protection in the american i'm just going to go to what the department for hi, miss, secure. she sent to us when we asked them for a comment. they sent us

a very long statement. i'm going to pick out a few things from their statement. these actions are part of the binding harris administrations ongoing efforts to reduce irregular migration throughout the western hemisphere, including the u. s. united states is seeing a rising rate of venezuelans encountered at our border as the past 2 years. then i'm gonna skip down here to $360000000.00 in additional humanitarian assistance. the people affected by the venezuelan regional crisis. manuel. so this policy is now in place, it means that venezuelans, they cannot seek asylum in the united states by crossing the border by land. they have to do it by other means. they have to have a relative in the united states, and they have to do it via mexico. so, is this solving part of the issue of venezuelans and migrants coming into the united states is this part of the way the u. s. is addressing the issue man is

doing this or the time i think should because you wish the is i wish the answer was yes i where's the it is oh, to write on the rhetoric the rhetoric that we hear from the bio ministration tends to be of one of this desire to provide humanitarian support, but the reality on the ground is, is, is far from that. right? so i think right now the policies that are, that are being put in place, for example, we were talking about title 42, and we had that question comment from catalina, about whether or not that is going to disappear after the mid term elections. one thing that we hear from immigration policy experts overwhelmingly on both sides of the border in the united states here in mexico. if there is one thing that could really take some of that pressure off of the humanitarian crisis that's playing out under this current wave of migration from been as well as from ms. williams is

comprehensive immigration reform that has to come from the u. s. congress. if democrats in the united states who have controlled the house and senate for the last few years, we're unable to bring us comprehensive immigration with these long. yeah, yes. well, i think that we also need to look at the numbers. this idea of the payroll program has a cap of 24000. that number is ridiculous. and it also reflects the lack of integration policy. the u. s. has no policy in place to welcome i'm asylum seekers and to offer them to basic protection. and so rather than deal and the sign that policy does not have, it simply decided to continue with the externally station. i'm boy or boarders that the trump administration put in place. and that was the problem is that this administration was not going to put in place. i also think that the idea of an in comprehensive immigration reform represent the political challenge of such

magnitude, particularly today that we are in the election. we know that that's almost going to be impossible to lead. also seems to be necessary to start thinking about smaller concrete reforms that can actually and hopefully pass congress. otherwise, there's, the system continues to be unable to respond to the challenges that come to like the us he's going to be facing in immigration coming forward. let me bring in alan's voice here because i was thinking about what immigration reform would look like. and he spoke to us a few hours ago, hailey is and then manny just bounce off the back of our for the time being there are still thousands of them as well. and south of the border assess interactions and deciding what to do. hundreds have already made the decision to travel back home, taking advantage of buses and claims provided by panama, guatemala, and mexico. others still are going to make the decision to come to the united states,

but without seeking asylum. and instead intending to cross the border regularly and hope that they are not taken into custody. but regardless, when we consider the scale of what is happening at the board right now, venezuelans find themselves caught in a political morass. despite the bind administrations commitment to supposedly restoring command of carrying protection at the border. right now, venezuelans find themselves cut off from the possibility of asylum. so there's a lot of important things that were said there just now of the one thing that struck out to me was that was this commitment made by the bite administration to provide a humanitarian approach. one thing that we hadn't seen previous to the bi administration during the 4 years of the trumpet ministration. and what unfortunately is happening is that with title 42, for example, we did, we, we keep reading up title 42, title 42 was essentially put in place during the pandemic as a, as a, as a health measure at the, at the height of the worst of the,

of the kobe 19 emergency, but who's really used it and abused it, i would say, is the bible ministration. the bite administration has been using title 42 as a pretext to conduct an express deportations. what is an express deportation? it's when you take an asylum seeker, a migrant who is trying to plead in asylum case to a u. s. immigration official, but they are not given that due process. they are detained, they're held for a few days, and then they're expelled to mexico. the problem that we're seeing here in mexico is that even though this is by all accounts of bilateral agreement between the us and mexico for mexico to be taking in all these migrants that the united states doesn't want, is that mexico doesn't have a plan for these people, so yes, there is a need for immigration reform, and when we're talking about may be doing the right thing at a smaller level with title 42. what about migrant children? what about unaccompanied miners who form a major part of the overall migration phenomenon? what about people who are unable to find a sponsor in the united states?

mexico is not prepared to how's these tens of thousands of people? let me just let me just throw a couple of numbers your way because the overall migration trend, the overall migration profile of mexico has completely changed over these last few years. in 2015, there were 3500 asylum, requested mexico, mexico, as a country of migration, there's people that transit through the country, others people that are internally deploy, display then, and also add to the migration for the united states. it's also a country that that helps asylum seekers and provide the refuge for people who are seeking it. but that was 3500 people in 2000. and 15 last year there were a 130000 requests for asylum in mexico. and this year were expecting to reach somewhere around 200000 requests for asylum in mexico, mexico, as the government does not have the resources to provide assistance to all these people, money. you sent us an example for not having those resources looks like they. you

spoke to people who were and who are in mexico. they refugees that mike was, they would like to be in the united states, but instead they off dock. and this is what they told you earlier. yes, i'm arguing how can i go my, we're outside the refugee assistance office. they're helping us out with the permit to remain in mexico city. we're waiting to see what offer to these. we're given. we're all waiting here as you can see. many people here sleeping on the street like myself, waiting for people to come by and bring us help and blanket something to eat on their pregnant women. here, it's been difficult. i've been here for several days waiting for an answer on my gotcha, i'm a, we arrived in mexico city and we have no way to stay. the shelters are completely full. i've asked and they tell me that they can't take anymore people. we've been through very painful situations and now we've been forced to sleep on the street down the bus you on a lot all elena, what did you want to add on a how to sort go head. yeah,

well i think it's also important to underscore safety in mexico and we are aware and there are number of plenty of reports about how unsafe mexico parts of the territory that are controlled by criminal organizations. and that's also another layer of threat and of suffering that the been as well and people are having to endure. and the mexico accepted the deal with the united states. he definitely needed the resources and to increase its capacity in its refugee agency. and what we noticed that that is not the case. another level of problem is also that mexico continues every single month to a increase and increase its record of number of persons who are in detention. most of these venezuelans are detained. any so need attention when they have a chance to talk to someone and to explain that they want to seek asylum. so that's also another level of danger, a threat and suffering that the venezuela people are okay are experiencing. and i

think we need to see that as well. elena, i am money. we have a lot of response on line and not have all of it is empathetic. so i would you like you, i'm going to for a few i days at you, instant response because i think this can be an educational process for or of, of you as an all of us. so cop car says it is dangerous every way. stay in your own country, elena, you say to call con walt, i would say it's not danger that in every country. danger is different and we have to consider both the political repression be economic sanctions and criminality and venezuela. to understand why that is what andy says, everyone should have the right to migrate wherever they want to be, and be safe and happy. we are helping venezuelans in peru. many, i think that countries across latin america have opened their doors to been as will and migrants. the problem is that not all countries in latin america are in

a position where they can help. there are many countries who are facing their own crises. there are many current in many countries where work opportunities may have existed for venezuelans in the past. and those opportunities as of the coven, 19 emergency have disappeared. they've dissipated, and they've forced another wave of displacement, which is why we're seeing of migrants from venezuela. seeing little other option, other than to, to seek refuge in the united states. and there's a lot of conversation about venezuela thing, a beautiful country. why can't people live in venezuela? alena again, is this something that is not being communicated well to our viewers. so citizens around the world who do not understand why venezuelans will go for a die, a journey in order to go via land to get to mexico, to seek asylum in the united states. what else do you need to tell them?

i think that the problem is that the crisis in venezuela has been going on for a long time. i mean, it has definitely lost presence in the media, but it's both a political crisis. but he told when economic crisis very much impacted by the economic sanctions. and we know that economic sanctions do not work, but they continue to use that diplomatic to at the expense of that population. and with other crisis in other parts of the world, we really have lost venezuela from the, from the raider. but it is an ongoing crisis. as a bureau committed, more than 7000000 venezuelans have been forced to treat their country. and many of them have tried to separate that in america, but precisely because will be economic conditions and the lack of integration programs, many of them are simply not able to survive with some level of basic dignity, you know, and well being. and that's where, what's pushing many of them to the north. all right, money, i'm gonna end on 11 more voice because we've been talking about people who left the

unconscious. not because they wanted to, but they felt that they had to. and i think it's really interesting, even though many, i'll stock a mexico right now that they have no intention, regardless of what our viewers are saying, of going back home. you spoke to one gentleman, he was very adamant about not going home. him is oh yes. when you see, i would have liked to continue the goal. i had in minds of reaching the united states, becoming established, finding work, and given my son a good educational, ha ha. but if this is no longer possible, i can't pass up the opportunity that mexico is giving us. if i have to remain here, i'll remain here. but i'm not returning to venezuela. i don't want to live under the regime. it's too much for fantasy linds, venezuelans and not migrating because it's a luxury to reach the us when migrating for better quality of life, which unfortunately, we have not found in other countries in latin america because the economy is not

stable. there are many countries in crisis, only that some habit, worse than others. ha, in we florida, but alone. so i can't think of 3 people. i'd rather have had this conversation with you audience. excellent, appreciate you. alayna and also manny as well. it's not often that we get spend a full 25 minutes wrestling with such a complicated issue of read his wayland migrants and refugees trying to leave their home country and seeking asylum. thanks for watching everybody. i will see you next time take ah . the creative africa makes this journey continues in 2022 africa success stories on

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