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to really inspiring that one individual could select he works in his own collection engine it's, it's beautiful to be able to see them in the works include landscapes like birch forest by gustavo clamped and portraits like this one by lucy on freud and the spent the last month on display in cities around the world, from shanghai, to london, to los angeles. to here in new york, art lovers have been lining up to get a glimpse of the paul g allen collection ahead of its fail. here at christine on november 9th and 10th where it's expected to bring more than a $1000000000.00 for charity. kristin salumi al jazeera new york. ah. this is al jazeera, these are the top stories, the house and senate still hanging the balance. i resolved to oppose close in the u . s. midterm elections votes are still being counted in several crucial straits
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o 435 seats in the house. and a 3rd and a senator being contested. so far, only one senate seat, his flipped democrat, john fat ferman as defeated trump bite celebrity, dr. mem, at o. as in the crucial state of pennsylvania, we are now on the line. i never expected that we were going to turn these red counties blue. well, we did what we needed to do and we had that conversation across every one of those counties. and you know, that's why i'll be the next us senator from pennsylvania. oh, my god, i explains how the outcome of the election so far could be beneficial for the democrat party. perhaps the most significant thing that is emerged at throughout the course of this evening is the fact that the losses have been so slight for the democrats at this particular stage. and what that does is it cements jo biden's
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position as lead off the democratic party. that is something that some have called into question in recent months. but these results, which are very favorable for the democrats, given what has happened in the past, is something that is likely to cement biden's authority as a leader, which is going to given a greater power within the democratic party. and certainly perhaps the ability to be able to push through more strongly the things that he says he wants to do some breaking news. now facebook's parent company matters just announce is going to be letting more than $11000.00 employees go. mark sucker book says is reducing the size of the team by about 13 percent is also said his extending a hiring freeze through the 1st quarter of next year. we're going to bring him more on that story as we have us. when thousands of people walked out of work in greece
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as part of a general strife against the rising cost of living, public schools have been shot and flights and public transport are facing severe disruptions unions of demanding lower taxes and an increase to the minimum wage. inflation hit 12 percent in september. that's the highest in 2 decades. ah, and those are the headlines. the news continues here, allows 0 after inside story. good bye news. news. news. news. hundreds of western migrants once to get into italy, but the government won't let them just embark at the port. how will the new right
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wing prime minister deal with the found off and how much responsibility lies with the rest of the european union? this is inside story. ah, ah, ah, hello and welcome to the program. i'm getting obligated. italy is new right wing prime minister is facing the 1st major test of her pledge to block migrant rescue ships. georgia maloney's government is refusing to allow hundreds of people to disembark at the sicilian port of cataneo, the, the norwegian flag charity vessel g o. barons arrived on saturday after rescuing 621 migrants on refugees, women and children on 6 people were allowed off, but the government chairs, the men on board are not vulnerable and must leave italian waters. dozens of people
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are stuck on another boat. the german flags, humanity, one humanitarian organizations are suing the italian government, saying everyone on the rescue ships are vulnerable and are entitled to protection under international law. we will never leave the port as long as there's one person on board our vessel, which has the right for international protection, which has the right to reach safe land. well, italy's interior minister says the rescue vessels are sailing under the flags of certain countries. and these countries must shoulder some of the responsibility for your senior language approach. and we want to point out our approach. we respect people, respect, human needs and respect these people's emergencies. but the end of this check, those who do not qualify according to the international organizations, must be taken out of territorial waters. so the ship will be asked to leave italian territorial waters. germany's government says it's working closely with italy. this
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is about snohomish, it's important to all the rescue to people on board the ships go ashore and all can be taken care of appropriately. and this is what we as the federal government are continuing to work for. we were in close contact with the italian authorities about these 2 ships, and also about the other ships are involved in this issue. we are working very specifically to ensure that the refugees and migrants receive appropriate care. so italy is one of the main gateways into europe, and since the beginning of the year it seen a sharp increase in migrant arrivals. about $87000.00 people have arrived so far this year. bye. see that compared with 55000 in the same period. last year, the majority set sale and small overcrowded boats and are mostly from egypt and is ya and bangladesh, italian government figures. so half of all refugee applications are rejected. and this is usually because authorities believe another country is responsible for the claim. ah,
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let's not bring in our guest. joining us from room is cecilia lata, who is an italian political analyst and assistant professor at the university for foreigners produce and read. jo calabria is her amena pawsman, who is a humanitarian activist and member of mission lifeline. she was involved in a rescue operation in red geo. and joining us from florence and valerie far, john, who's a professor of politics of european integration at the university of florence, welcome to you all. thanks so much for your time with us on inside story. i'll start off with me and watch men and read your 1st because from what i understand, you are with the crew from the german run, rise above vessel, which entered italian waters over the weekend. first of all, can you tell us about the conditions of the migrants and refugees on board at how many there are so yes, so as you can see in front of the west, the rise above that was allowed to end to report this morning and all our guests
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that were still on board, it were to 809 guests. we could doesn't bark without any problems. and so now we don't have any guests on board anymore and but in the last days, the condition of the them when really, really bad. so it went completely critically. we had to evacuate aid for medical reasons, at least 6 persons because they collapsed on go to the restroom. and yes, that was what, let me just tell us. tell us what led to the moment that everyone on board was allowed to disembark because from what we understand from some of the other vessels, only women and children have been allowed to disembark and the men were not allowed to. we have and yet no inflammation about this. we got yesterday the 1st contact from the authorities and they told us we can go to the port of retro khadija
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columbia. sorry. and, but it was not given as a port of safety, and they were not given any reasons why we could enter this port. so we were just happy that we could enter the court and that the people were at. he doesn't box ok . and once the refugee is a migraines, disembarked and entered the port to just give us a sense of where, where they go to next, and what sort of services and facilities are available to them. so you're at the court at the pier, there were some medical organizations that were for lisa on scene and everybody was checked and also checked or injure injuries. and afterwards they were 2 by 2 buses and went to a like a gym or something in this way. and now they have shared so there i have no information about the conditions inside. ok. thank you so much for that. update from it as your let me go over to cecilia. so we've been hearing from her
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mina that 89 people from, from the vessel that she is connected to have been allowed to disembark. but the fact is, you still have at least 2 other vessels stranded at sea, where the men so far are not allowed to disembark county thing the stand up is going to be settled because rome as you've been hearing and says that the countries whose flags these and gio boats are flying, they should bear the responsibilities for the migrants, had refugees. and they and jose are saying that italy is breeching international law by keeping the migrants on the ship. yes, absolutely. i think that's what you just said is correct. i think that these are sort of a theory that the minister of interior of italy put full. what about the fact that the, the state of the sheep's plans basically should be cooperating is not, doesn't really find any bases in international law. so i think that day at the end,
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yos in this sense are correct in claiming debt italy at least points out with the idea of selective these embark meant dia, debts that the other states should be corroborating before people are put in a situation of safety. is actually breaching international law. so i think, i mean, and then the stand off will find a solution, i think as it happened with many other senior situations which occurred in the past few years. i would just like to on debt. i mean, we're devoting much more attention to the situation now, but actually, even in the past month when, you know, under my, your drug is watch the we witness several ships, you know, stay not. so it took days before any medications before the so called migrant ships, where able to a were allowed to disembark there. okay. how to go out your rid of mario drug
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because i'm going to come back to you a little later and, and i just put to you what he said earlier this year when it came to the ukranian refugees. but let me bring in valerie a jonah and florence for just a moment. so the charities the n g o is have denied circumventing procedures and they say that it's their duty to protect people that are in distress, etc. but as we know, the new italian government has campaigns on a hard line migration policy. so for the new prime minister, is she just carrying out the promises that she made to her voters? a so i guess that's what she's doing on with streaming, disappointed, we bought italian government is doing, but i'm also disappointed with european union. unfortunately, the issue, the migration is initial, which is unresolved that you level. so i mean, kellen government is not behaving well. i think actually i'm
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a shame of being italian right now. i'm at the same time that the point is that the countries on the mediterranean, obviously face a burden when it comes to migration. and this burden cannot be only handled by the countries that are facing them editor in which is greece, italy, spain, or cyprus, a milder. and if we look at what the, i mean, the legal basis of you action are and look at what the treaty and the functioning of the european union says. honestly, we see that it's a shared responsibility, but it's not just a legal issue. if we look at the legal issue and we would have to a mention article $7083.00, which says of the to of treaty on the function of the european union india event of one or more member states being confronted and reading the article, an emergency situation characterized by a sudden inflow of nationals of 3rd countries. the council on a proposal from the commission may adopt visual measures for the benefit of the
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members said concern. but still this is not such an emergency situation. if you look at the numbers. ready and this is the point, and this is a situation if we confront, if we compare the numbers of what's going on, it's not such a huge number of people. this is not a big crisis. as the current government is pretending. it's for political reasons because this, this issue migration arises public opinion and, and the government is prime sort of it, sir. i'm gonna use a hard term at a distraction, a from big shoes because we're talking about a few 100 people. and in fact, it for the other ship, it was only 34 people that were left on board. so with booking up an enormous person. right, valerie, let me ask you this. i mean, this issue of migration has been a burning political issue since yet at least 2014. when there were a lot of migrants turning up on european shore. so to what extent that,
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that fuel the rise off both the league and maloney's brother, so mentally party which is now a right when governments in place. yes, definitely. it's a validity. as i said, the issue has been with his eyes. if we look at long term interest of europe, we need more migrants and this is something that was completely overlooking. so it's, it's just, it's a matter distraction on the issue. but the real problem is that in europe, we do not have enough workers to take care for instance, of our aging population. so we actually need migrants, but in fact is not just in italy, also another european countries. we had the rise of rightly populous parties. and for then migration it is initially you can focus all of the attention so that you don't really look at what the problems are. okay, and i'm hearing in her mean a for a moment just for the sake of time armina over to you and read and note, and geo, at least, government adopted him as a recent law recently formalizing the closer of its ports to rescue ships that are
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run by humanitarian groups such as yours, do you expect a wider crackdown on end jose and if so, how is that going to impact your work? so actually, hopefully this will not happen because this will be a step back to the year 2018 where exactly the same happened. and as we all know, there were a lot of trials and cases on court, but in any cases. so the n g o side got right and did nothing wrong. so we are acting completely with the law. and i cannot imagine that something like, like you minutes area and 8 will be criminalized in this way. and hopefully it will not happen again like this as a failure. we keep talking about the right when government, that's an that's currently in place right now. when the anti migration policies, but the, the, this incident signal, the step back for italian authorities or is this new government simply resurrecting
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policies that we've seen implemented in the past. for example, 20182019, you had closed ports policy implemented by the interior minister and far right leader. my tell us on vini. yes, absolutely, the policy has been consistent over the years and that will even add that in fact, the current sort of str framework that equally adults for the management or migration which is geared towards a securitization on migration like treating migrants as a security threat, was something that was introduced before even solving wasn't government by a democratic party that he had sent to left a government. right. so technically things haven't changed that much. so in terms of framework, what, of course, as the colleague in florence was, was saying what it would change and what he's changing is sort of the instrumental a zation of these issues. and i would add to the previous question. you ask, i think it's very important to consider that again, we are witnessing this kind of war being waged against angie owes. but even
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blocking angio wouldn't solve the problem. and if you look at the figures like how many people arrive, be meeting the bus and days. and i think we're like about 90000 people arrived to shores and, and actually only one about 1000 where on board angel ships re so, and waging this war against. and jose wouldn't even start to deal with the problem if we want to call it like a problem. ok, cecilia, here's the thing. valerie was saying a moment ago that this could be a way for the government to distract from the domestic issues that are going on in the country. i mean, do you agree with that? because as we saw in the election, the main issues for voters were the rising energy prices. it wasn't flashing, it was italy's policy towards russia and ukraine. but at the same time, the prime minister in the parties did campaign on a hard line, anti migration platform. and they've been elected into power, so do italians expect a hard line policy when it comes to migration?
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snag, we went under percent with a call again broke up in florence. absolutely. it's a diverse, like it's kind of a diverting just tension towards a fabricated problem because in fact, even edaly is elect, the rate that would say was and still is very much worried about the coastal living cries is energy, war, etc. and, but at the same time, migration is always been on highly controversial issue. so it's very convenient right now for the government. i wouldn't even say that this is a test for the government of the quite the opposite. it is very convenient for each of these gun right now to be able to talk about migration rather than explaining to the country how they're gonna deal again with the cost of living crisis. what it, what, what the plans are for the future. in terms of, you know, security a,
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b, b, d, in russia, ukraine, war, et cetera. ok. let's bring in valerie and florence. i know this, and this could be a bit of a general question, but how much support do you think? how much public support valerie, do you think there is an italy for a heart or a migration policy? well, i think we, 1st of all, we should remember only 26 percent of the, of those who went out and voted actually voted for maloney. and although okay, we have a sent the right or of or extreme right government in our but that doesn't correspond to the majority of the population in italy because they were 60000000 people that simply didn't go out and bone. so we should remember that a lot of people in italy are not actually supporting. got the current government. okay. so it's, it's due to the electoral law. and actually if you look at the importance of a n g o in italy, and especially in the catholic church, you will see that
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a lot of people are in fact in favor of different approach migration. oh, can you rely on it or has a very interesting survey that was made about a year ago, and it shows how perceptions can sort of be even wrong and but what him out of that you are there on with a survey, is that a lot of people in europe felt that the, in the presence of migrants in their own country was much higher than it truly is. and which means that a problems with the perception. so the issues policy decides in a depend, what is the message that the political parties are handing out? okay, let me jump in there for the sake of time. my apologies, armina from what you've seen on the ground, how much hostile has at least policies towards migrants and asylum seekers become in recent years. was a m, at least it has really a big impact. and the people who, when you're, when you're at sea outside, you can see the people who are really, really suffering in immediate danger of life. and that is also if they accept on
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the ships um like yeah, like hostages, i would say a horrible scenario that you can see and the people are really, really suffering. and i think it's an absolutely no go, that the politics are deciding both the decisions on the ship about the people and the ships. right. that were just from, from a, just this case as a failure in rome, you were mentioning mario dragging at the beginning of the program. so this is what he said earlier this year and coding. italy has welcomed refugees from ukraine with open arms more than 85000 mostly women and children have sought shelter from the war in our country. italians have thrown open the doors of their homes and of their schools. we will not look the other way. i mean, you know, a lot of people say the double standard here are really, really glaring is a certain type of refugee then that they want to be allowed into italy. i think it's, it's a acceptable the evidence to anyone right at this double standard there. why are we
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treating, for instance, syrian refuge asylum seekers and ukrainian? i some seekers differently. right. and we also saw certain things that we wouldn't want to see on the a, for instance, in european border we, ukraine where for instance, ukrainian citizens who were not white where it rejected for instance, right. or to be there were told to go back to the end of the q and they were not being left in. so i think there is absolutely, there is a double standard in these, in this sense and actually maloney blade and also saline during the electoral campaign natalie they were use and is a lot they were saying for instance that those who come to chrome, those will cross them into mimic iranian, or chips. they're not real migrants, right? like there are real refugees, a real refugees are for instance, ukrainian ones. right? so this kind of narrative, i think, is very dangerous, like sort of discriminating between who is a natural, you know, good refugee or who is, is not. i think it's, it's very, very tricky,
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right. valerie, what is the role here for european countries as a whole? you were, you were mentioning the responsibility and where it lies just a moment ago. i mean, we saw european countries come together and share responsibility when it came to ukrainian refugees. and rightly so, because a refugee is a refugee at the end of the day. but when it comes to people coming from other countries, what is the role of european countries and how do you get them to share that responsibility with countries like italy, for example? yeah, as well, my answer is that unfortunately, right now the majority of european political leaders are very short sighted. so they are really concentrating on short term issues and very often on falling the next elections at. so it's very difficult to have a long term strategy. this is what we're missing europe now. africa is right in
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front of us. it's the continent right in front of us. we seem to be ignoring what's going on in back confident because we keep pushing our own agenda. for instance, digital transition. a priority is digital transition. a proud in the case of africa, maybe we should consider what's actually going on in that continent. so earnings as we're talking about $9000.00 people over recent days, we should be considering that in the case of the african continent, you have in eternal displaced a migrant and so called displaced persons, and internally forcibly displaced. we're talking about millions, you abandoned a has 1000500 refugees in its own territory. so the size of what's going on in africa, it's so much bigger than what comes over to europe. and if we don't understand that it's in our own interest, an indian crystal, the african continent to approach the issue in a different way. i think it's really gonna back fire on us, right?
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loyal it. and i had a nice, let me ask you this, then we'll italy's tough, new approach to divide you members because following a, one of the vessels that entered the italian waters, berlin, the night, any responsibility for the ship, that vessel flying under a german flag berlin saying we have nothing to do with this, an italy should be the one to allow rescued people ashore. but then you heard from hunger is prime minister victor or urban who said that quote, we owe a big thank you to maloney's government. we're very far from solidarity. so he is what region is what is written in our treaties. we are very far from sort of very the and the point is that, so the better is also not only chris. so what we're doing right now is, from my point of view, is not in the interest of europe, the kind of approach it would take into the problem. and the fact that we're not supporting a company such as italy, because it's clear that italy cannot take all of the responsibility for what's
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happening. but we should also be aware that migrant said, coming into europe even from other parts of the world, but just need them to get there. anyone is right. just a small my not people coming from the mid range. ok. cecilia final words to you if you'd like to comment on what valerie was saying, we have about 30 seconds left on the program. yes, absolutely. i think the big issue here is a hub, the short sightedness, so to speak, of the political, late in europe. and we really and the wrong thing, just to conclude is that now during milani's, rightly calling for more slowly, directly from the you. but actually the leaders of that week, which are against that of course, you can, you know, i, precisely, the national leaders that are also considered to be here to be her sort of political allies and counterparts like my boss, for instance, the hardships there on that. no, thank you so much for joining us. thanks to all my guest cecilia. with her being a postman on binary far to join. thank you so much. thank you for watching. you can
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