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hi, i'm from you. okay, venezuela? refugees? a migrant intent on rick gym. united states fire land face a new challenge. deportation to mexico. many due to new regulations cannot get into united states and so they are stuck south of the united states order to day on the stream. what lies ahead in the future for the displace migrants and refugees from venezuela. that is, i show, in a 14 joy ah, in our conversation today, we have manuel. we have elaina good to have both of you with us, manuel. will you remind our audience around the world who you are and what you do? hello everybody. my name is manuel rappa lu. i am a reporter, a correspondent for al jazeera, covering latin america and based in mex. so city, good to have you. and alina welcome to the string, we say hello to our viewers around the world. tell them who you are and what you do

. yes. hello, i'm elaine now leha. i am the associate director pro programs and the answer is to have you are viewers around the world if you're new to the comment section is now live for your comments. we're talking about venezuela migrants and refugees, but your comments, your questions right here for our guest, manuel. and oh, so for elaina, i am going to start with some video that is really disturbing. i want you to understand views, what is happening to many venezuelans who are seeking safety and security in the united states. so this is a us agents shooting rubber, bullets at venezuela's have a look. these are gonna find real me when i was in the river, they shot at me once and then again and again, they're cowards. they mistreat us because we are on armed poor and working people.

as every one else we have our rights. this is how they receive my thing is with them. on the 3rd it money, the united states agents that they were so determined not to let venezuelans into the u. s. is this an uptake in the way that they're being treated or is it just that we got video this time so we can see what's happening? i think it may be a little bit of both because tv cameras aren't always there. they're not always present. at times like this, i believe that video is from just the just from last month in october. i believe if i'm not mistaken, in the, in the city of reynosa on the other side of the border from macallan, texas, what we're seeing there is just basically the face of desperation. people who have been waiting on the border for several days, if not weeks, waiting for an opportunity to plead their a silent cases to us. officials finding that since mid october, since october 12th, and later october 19th, when a change in policy occurred to

a policy of the united states are known as title $42.00 that's now impacting specifically, been as well and citizens. anyone arriving by land is not automatically able to enter the united states. and what you're seeing is hundreds of not thousands of people growing desperate because they feel like they're stuck in mexico on the organize themselves. they've organized more choose and protests, essentially, begging us officials to allow them to plead their asylum cases, to allow them to go through the traditional asylum process into the united states, which has been up, ended up for the better part of the last 6 years. i would say, so elena is if this imposition of title $42.00, which was brought in by the trump administration and it and it was behind cove. it so the trumpet, ministrations because of cove. 19. it is dangerous for migrants,

for refugees to come into the united states. so we're not even going to check to see if they are asylum seekers. we're just gonna pack them straight back where they came from. now, if they couldn't find another country, they were not able to do that. so venezuelans were not subject to title 42 until quite recently, and that's from mexico said, it's ok. you can send the migrants to mexico. do you think a deal with some behind the scenes at helena? how did that janet? yes. of course that, i mean there have been on going deal because title 40 to meet. they cooperation from mexico to accept the expulsion of everyone who is being rejected that the board and so at the beginning, mexico west, quite open and accepted a wide array of nationalities back into the country. and we can see that he changed when mexico said i am not accepting central americans and most south americans back

into mexico. and then that's when they, you started to send them by airplane, back to their countries of origin, not at the quotation, but an expulsion. i need was stuck with me and i once a bit of sway lens a and i'm blanking on that 3rd nation. i and he, because he does not have it dramatically that she was for no time you sent me. how could i teach in boston while, can you explain to venezuela? if you don't have political relations with them? i said this is such a politically political move. i am ricardo is is picking up, punish economist on ye. cheap right now. so ricardo says money. the policy may change after them betimes, but i'm not sure how economies is putting a connection between politics and immigration of co says, connection manning. what do you think? do you think this this will change after no times a 100 percent? well, this kind of saying no, yes. yeah, i didn't get that last part. yeah. no, a 100 percent. yes,

this is politics. i have been visiting the micro g migrant assistance offices. are the refugee assistance offices here in mexico city every week for the past few weeks. i recently spoke with an organizer from doctors without borders whose words specifically to me when i asked her that question were, we have seen the humanitarian consequences of politics. and it shouldn't be that way. right. and this isn't just about title 40 to title 42, and i'll just add very quickly that 3rd nationality. i believe that hello that elena was talking about is cubans. it's venezuelans, nicaraguans. and you asked very difficult for the united states to return them to, to their countries of origin when they don't have diplomatic ties with those countries. but in the case of venezuelans, this um, the actual politics that is, that have been affecting them. dave, back to before title 42 to january of this year, where mexico began requiring that venezuelans arriving in mexico have visas to

inter mexico. and what this did was it made it very. ready difficult for venezuelans who previous to that were flying to mexico and then trying to get into the united states. they're no longer able to fly here because they don't have a visa to get into mexico. and so there, taking the long wait travelling by land making their way across 7 countries of through very, very dangerous territory. then getting into mexico. finding that the southern border of mexico is now essentially the southern border of the united states. since at the request of the united states under pressure, political pressure from the united states, mexico has been for lack of a better term, forced to adapt in immigration policy. you had it was danny, how came say, feel his house. and he said, what alan is laughing, you're laughing at my naivety, elena, how can you say that mexico was false? what did the usa to mexican? well, i, i think we don't know what mexico has claimed for a long time since the beginning of title 40 to was that he was forced. at the beginning, it was the threat of parents from the trumpet administration. but now clearly,

there has to be some type of agreement in which it is in mexico's best interest to b. and there's 1000 border of the united states and it is big. it's not only requesting to be as, as mattie was saying that started in the beginning of the year. but now it's really this policy of cooperating with the explosions. now what mexico is trying to do to kind of be in the middle is it has reached an agreement with venezuela and they are putting in place this type of voluntary return flights from mexico back to witness will. and there are also no concerns about the safety and their well being of those individuals who are returned back to venice when i'm going to bring in a new voice into our conversation. this is catalina, and catalina has notice that there is going to be an impact on this new policy for what happens in venezuela, migrants and refugees. hey, she is this what she told us, area. around 7100000 venezuelans have 50 countries in

recent years. when as soon as i flee a conflict, human, italian emergency and the human rights crisis, these convict him on the day of emergency is the state before the, with the board sanctions on the country's economy. but the sanction made the humanitarian crisis worse. it is when i need to national revision, unfortunately, policies implemented by the government, united states and mexico recently. life over this with my address and a site of figures elena is nodding, so this new policy who is a health? is it helping the united states can't control of its borders? so as a helping my pets refugees who really need the help? elena, i will go back to the comment about the politics and i think that this is very

important. this is a problem with that. i don't think it's a matter of control of the us border by 3 me falling into a political context in which immigration is now being viewed as a threat and is being used masterfully by the republican party. and that's really the challenge. and of course, with this policy, i'm returning individuals who are meeting venezuela back to business, where we really are observing that it's the breakdown of the principal refugee protection that no one is going to be forcibly return to the country that they are lee. and this really represents a moment of crisis for international protection in the american i'm just going to go to what the department for hi, miss, secure. she sent to us when we asked them for a comment. they sent us a very long statement. i'm gonna pick out a few things from that statement. and these actions are part of the binding. harris administration's ongoing efforts to reduce irregular migration throughout the

western hemisphere, including the u. s. united states is saying a rising rate of venezuelans encountered at our border of the past 2 years. then i'm going to skip down here to $360000000.00 in additional humanitarian assistance . the people affected by the venezuelan regional crisis. manuel. so this policy is now in place, it means that venezuelans, they cannot seek asylum in the united states by crossing the border by land. they have to do it by other means. they have to have a relative in the united states, and they have to do it via mexico. so, is this solving part of the issue of venezuelans and migrants coming into the united states is this part of the way the u. s. is addressing the issue, man is doing this every time i heard it because i wish the is i wish the answer was yes. a weird thing does it is. oh dr.

on the rhetoric, the rhetoric that we hear from the buyer administration tends to be one of this desire to provide humanitarian support. but the reality on the ground is, is, is far from that. right? so i think right now the policies that are that are being put in place, for example, we're talking about title 42, and we had that question comment from catalina, about whether or not that is going to disappear after the midterm elections. one thing that we hear from immigration policy experts overwhelmingly on both sides of the border in the united states here in mexico. if there is one thing that could really take some of that pressure off of the humanitarian crisis that's playing out under this current wave of migration from been as well as from ms. williams is comprehensive immigration reform that has to come from the u. s. congress. if democrats in the united states who have controlled the house and senate for the

last 2 years were unable to bring us comprehensive immigration with these long. yeah, yes. well, i think that we also need to look at the numbers. this idea of the payroll program has a cap of 24000. that number is ridiculous. and it also reflects the lack of integration policy. the u. s. has no policy in place to welcome i'm asylum seekers and to offer them to basic protection. and so rather than deal and design, the policy does not have it simply decided to continue with the externally station . i'm boy or boarders that the trump administration put in place. and that was the problem is that this administration was not going to put in place. i also think that the idea of an in comprehensive immigration reform represent the political challenge of such magnitude, particularly today that we are in the election. we know that that's almost going to be impossible to lead. also seems to be necessary to start thinking about smaller

concrete reforms that can actually and hopefully pass congress. otherwise there's the system continues to be unable to respond to the challenges that come to like the us he's going to be facing in immigration coming forward. let me bring in alan's voice here because i was thinking about what immigration reform would look like. and he spoke to us a few hours ago, haley is and then manny just bounce off the back of our for the time being there are still thousands of them as well in south border assess interactions and deciding what to do. hundreds have already made the decision to travel back home, taking advantage of buses and claims provided by panama, guatemala, and mexico. others still are going to make the decision to come to the united states, but without seeking asylum. and instead intending to cross the border regularly and hope that they're not taken into custody. but regardless, when we consider the scale of what is happening at the board right now,

venezuelans find themselves caught in a political morass. despite the binding ministrations commitment to supposedly restoring command of carrying protection at the border. right now, venezuelans find themselves cut off from the possibility of asylum. so there's a lot of important things that were said there just now the one thing that struck out to me was that was this commitment made by the bite administration to provide a humanitarian approach. one thing that we hadn't seen previous to the by administration during the 4 years of the trumpet ministration. and what unfortunately is happening is that with title 42, for example, we did, we, we keep bringing up title 42, title 42 was essentially put in place during the pandemic as a, as a, as a health measure at the, at the height of the worst of the, of the co, 19 emergency, but who's really used it and abused it? i would say, is the bible ministration. the bite administration has been using title 42 as

a pretext to conduct an express deportations. what is an express deportation? it's when you take an asylum seeker, a migrant who is trying to plead in asylum case to a u. s. immigration official, but they are not given that due process. they are detained, they're held for a few days, and then they're expelled to mexico. the problem that we're seeing here in mexico is that even though this is by all accounts of bilateral agreement between the us and mexico for mexico to be taking in all these migrants that the united states doesn't want, is that mexico doesn't have a plan for these people, so yes, there's a need for immigration reform, and when we're talking about may be doing the right thing at a smaller level with title 42. what about migrant children? what about unaccompanied miners who form a major part of the overall migration phenomenon? what about people who are unable to find a sponsor in the united states? mexico is not prepared to house these tens of thousands of people. let me just let me just throw a couple of numbers your way because the overall migration trend,

the overall migration profile of mexico has completely changed over these last few years. in 2015, there were 3500 asylum requests in mexico, mexico's a country of migration. there's people that trans it through the country. others people that are internally deploy, display then, and also add to the migration for the united states. it's also a country that that helps us island speakers and provide the refuge for people who are seeking it. but that was 3500 people in 2000. and 15 last year there were a 130000 requests for asylum in mexico. and this year were expecting to reach somewhere around 200000 requests for asylum in mexico, mexico, as the government does not have the resources to provide assistance to all these people, money. you sent us an example for not having those resources looks like they. you spoke to people who were and who are in mexico. they refugees that mike was, they would like to be in the united states, but instead they off dock. and this is what they told you earlier. yes,

i'm marking. how can i go my, we're outside the refugee assistance office. they're helping us out with the permit to remain in mexico city. we're waiting to see what offer to these were given. were all waiting here, as you can see, many people here sleeping on the street like myself, waiting for people to come by and bring us help and blanket something to eat on their pregnant women. here it's been difficult. i've been here for several days waiting for an answer on my gosh jeremy. we arrived in mexico city and we have no way to stay the shelf is a completely full. i've asked and they tell me that they can't take anymore people . we've been through very painful situations and now we've been forced to sleep on the street down the bus you on a lot all and in a what did you want to add? i had a thought, go ahead. yeah. well, i think it's also important to underscore safety in mexico, and we are aware and there are number of plenty of reports about how unsafe mexico

parts of the territory that are controlled by criminal organizations. and that's also another layer of threat and of suffering that the been as well and people are having to endure. and the mexico accepted the deal with the united states. it definitely needed the resources and to increase its capacity in its refugee agency . and what we noticed that that is not the case. another level of problem is also that mexico continues every single month to it increase and increase its record of number of persons who are in detention. most of these venezuelans are detained and need so. ready need attention when they have a chance to talk to someone and to explain that they want to seek asylum. so that's on to another level of danger, threat and suffering that the venezuela people are okay are experiencing. and i think we need to see that as well. elena, i am money. we have a lot of response on line and not have all of it is empathetic. so i would like you,

i'm going to throw a few ideas at you, instant response, because i think this can be an educational process for, or of, of you as an all of us. so con, says it is dangerous everywhere. stay in your own country, elena, you said to call con wat, i would say it's not danger that in every country. danger is different and we have to consider both the political repression, the economic sanctions and criminality and venezuela to understand way venezuela speak. andy says everyone should have the right to migrate wherever they want to be and be safe and happy. we are helping venezuelans in peru. many i think that countries across latin america have opened their doors to been as well and migrants. the problem is that not all countries in latin america are in a position where they can help. there are many countries who are facing their own crises. there are many, many countries where work opportunities may have existed for venezuelans in the

past. and those opportunities as of the coven, 19 emergency, have disappeared. they've dissipated. and they've forced another wave of displacement, which is why we're seeing of migrants from venezuela seeing little other option, other than to, to seek refuge in the united states. and there's a lot of conversation about venezuela thing, a beautiful country. why can't people live in venezuela? alena again, is this something that is not being communicated well to our viewers? so citizens around the world who do not understand why venezuelans will go for a die, a journey in order to go via land to get to mexico, to seek asylum in the united states. what else do you need to tell them? i think that the problem is that the crisis in venezuela has been going on for a long time. i mean has definitely lost presence in the media. but it's both

a political crisis. but he told when economic crisis very much impacted by the economic sanctions. and we know that economic sanctions do not work, but they continue to use that diplomatic tool at the expense of that population and with other crisis in other parts of the world. we really have lost venezuela from the, from the raider. but it is an ongoing crisis, as a viewer committed, more than 7000000 venezuelans have been forced to treat their country. and many of them have tried to separate that's in america. but precisely because of the economic conditions and the lack of integration programs, many of them are simply not able to survive with some level of basic dignity, you know, one well being and that's where, what's pushing many of them to the north. all right, money, i'm going to end on 11 more voice because we've been talking about people who left the unconscious. not because they wanted to, but they felt that they had to. and i think it's really interesting, even though many. i'll stock a mexico right now, that they have no intention,

regardless of what our viewers are saying, of going back home. you spoke to one gentleman, he was very adamant about not going home here is oh yes, i will. if you see, i would have lights to continue the goal i had in mind of reaching the united states becoming established, finding work, and given my son a good educational, ha ha. but if this is no longer possible, i can't pass up the opportunity that mexico is giving us. if i have to remain here, i'll remain here. but i'm not returning to venezuela. i don't want to live under the regime. it's too much for fantasy violence, venezuelans and not migrating because it's a luxury to reach the us. we're migrating for better quality of life, which unfortunately we have not found in other countries in latin america because the economy is not stable. there are many countries in crisis, only that some habit we're sonata in, we forever but alone. so i can't think of 3 people. i'd rather have had this

conversation with you audience. excellent, appreciate you. elaina and also manny as well. it's not often that we get to spend a full 25 minutes wrestling with such a complicated issue that is wayland migrants and refugees trying to leave their home country and seeking asylum. thanks for watching everybody. i will see you next time. take care. ah . as the world faces an overwhelming storm of global challenges, indonesia said to host the most difficult g 20 summit. since inception, with the worn ukraine soaring inflation, food crisis, and energy instability will dial up prevail of a rivalry and hope to re solutions to global issues. the g 20 summit on al jazeera,

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