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passing through georgia on the carolinas. the storm has already force people to flee their horns and the bahamas. the head of the international rescue committee says drought in the horn of africa is pushing people further towards starvation. david miller ban visited ethiopian and says people that are paying the price for the climate crisis. well, those are the headlines at the news continues here on out there with emily. after we take a look at the food crisis in somalia on inside story, stay with us ah should found and be declared in somalia for months now the united nations and agencies have wanted extreme hunger and malnutrition on

a catastrophic scale. so what's preventing an official announcement and wouldn't make a difference on the ground. this isn't 5 story. ah hello there and welcome to the program. i'm the star theater. somalia is facing full blown famine. it's at the country's doorstep. humanitarian agencies have been issuing warnings like that for months. unicef says conditions are worse now than during the last famine back in 2011, but no one has yet made an official declaration. the numbers, the stock, the while pre program says 7100000 people. that's nearly half the population face acute food insecurity. that's when lives or livelihoods are in immediate danger because there simply isn't enough food. 1.5000000 children are malnourished for

failed rainy seasons. have led to the worst route now in 40 years. and russia invasion of ukraine has made staples such as grains and cooking oil unaffordable. millions of people have been displaced. i came to my door on the 2nd of october, and i do not know any one from this town. 2 of my children died here, and the surviving ones are hungry. my family does not have anything to eat, and i don't have the relatives to help me. oh, it was where a lab who la la fit in the last 2 weeks we've come across parents who have lost their children to hunger and drought. the drought is worse than the previous ones. people have reached he from far places and their problem is that they are new to the area and do not have relatives to assist them. now somali as president was asked about the drought and mass hunger at a foreign in washington, d. c. in september. here's what he had to say. we are in f a min, but evasion stage like know?

ah, yes, it is bit difficult, but it's working. is certain geographic location so, so malia risk is very high to announce if i'm in announcing for i mean, or declared in for mean itself is a very difficult situation that doesn't affect the, the fact mean victims only, but halters. the development changes the perspectives on everything, or fannin is the most severe kind of hunger crisis, but it's also a technical term. the phases of food insecurity are carefully defined and classified within a framework known as the i. p. c. famine occurs when 20 percent of households face extreme food shortages. 30 percent of children suffer from acute malnutrition and 2 of every 10000 people die from starvation or disease and malnutrition. the decoration is made by several parties, primarily the government and various un agencies. famine can be caused by multiple

factors, including conflict and extreme weather patterns. with early warning and rapid action though it can be prevented, the last famine declared in somalia was back in 2011. at least 260000 people died. ah, well let's now bring in our guests. in mogadishu, we have had a darn the is a research associate of the london school of economics. he's also an aide practitioner and a humanitarian specialist on somalia. in edmonds in canada is a p r a l. me is an author and the executive director of the heritage institute for policy studies. a somali think tank. and also in mogadishu is hot on a lee. she is advisor to the mayor of mogadishu. our warm welcome to you all. thank you so much for joining us. here on inside story and i'm sorry, i'll start with you because you've been looking broadly at the situation in somalia and, and i'm curious about what the situation is on the ground rights at this moment. are we experiencing famine conditions in somalia? it just hasn't been officially declared yet. thank you very much and i will say hi

to to the other guest. and what do we, by the way, we just publish a report on this issue. we met basically everybody that mattress or relevant to when it comes to this specific issue, funding for this to go to tea in somalia, including international organizations and this model government on people who are on the frontline. so what we can to, to the conclusion of the time, which was just about 3 weeks ago, is that the data is not there yet to, to, to conclude that the threshold is the technical threshold. is that, that's the access that for the nutrition level. and the main food insecurity artist out of there no question about it. the so what, what is needed to be done is that instead of just waiting one or 2 specific point

here and there, the government and the international community must, must act immediately and call this emergency as an emergency and mobilized local resources. so basically not, no one is saying that people are not die be brought in in compass. so like not just to focus on the technical part of it. and let's do what we can in order to help rescue the people who are facing the problem. i think we shouldn't be just focusing too much on debate and get a technicality to show well on that technicality. i want to bring go ahead in here because we were just describing the criteria there deem to which you need to deem the situation of famine and noticeably it's based on how many people are dying. i know that's been an issue of contention in the past. how useful is a threshold like that? i know for many of our viewers, it feels like

a very unnatural kind of distinction. thank you very much and i say i will come the other guest and just to follow up, what we're saying is that of course, to declare families more political as he did. but i tend to disagree that we are already on the threshold, if not even by, by passing it because when we say, when we described or when the apartment has to be declared, the threshold of that that we might need to meet before funding is declared. it's late, for example, the number of death, but 10, call them the level of malnutrition, the level of people who are in ip 5 or ip 4. and out. of course, it is not enough to know why the certificate may not be the same. the level of the level of the crisis might not be the same, but they still, we kind of,

i thought to the government, then that whole community, they don't as all of declared pockets of life. what happened 1011. because in one part of the country we might be really, we might be in a situation which is relatively manageable. but in the other part of the country we might be again, things like going out of honda. and it's very unfortunate that we tend to rush the last minutes. of course, the technicalities on their life is something that might be something different. but again, i think we have a positive list lot. yeah, we have been caution. we have been discussing this in we have been warning the donors, the government and the international community. and unfortunately, marshall will. 5 not be in tech and but it is now that most of the people are feeling of utility because the crisis,

it's pulling the covers the funding on. well, let me bring in hold on here. and how does the government view this? is there famine in parts of somalia right now? well, thanks for having me and hello to the i would agree. i think there are a lot of difficulty insecurity across the country. one to many. however, i think there's a lot of emphasis, any time spent on technically defining our declaring spam and rather than being proactive and really engaging and rest of the to attract the issues of secure data across the country. i do think that government has the right to not declare a famine at this point in time. as i mentioned that numbers are not. they are simply, though we are seeing a large number of people in, in very difficult circumstances, even from best in some parts of our country. what i would recommend and be in terms of as someone who works for the government and maybe which is hosting an artist

displacement and has one of the largest insecurity, is that we as a government and international partners who have already raised hundreds of millions of dollars to actually ramp up efforts and target target areas where there is a famine, the government, when the president took office back in may, appointed an envoy for him. editor craig, that's happening across the country that on exceptionally meeting lobby internationally and a lot of money for the international community to respond for money to prevent them . and so i think the efforts of just having a blanket declaration of famine is futile. it's not necessary at this point that numbers are not there, but what we are encouraging is to really be more clear about how the international

community punishes the government, is effectively prevented from family conditions material. i think we'll get to funding in a minute. i do want to dig into that as well, but you've just there that a declaration of famine would be futile. so let me throw that over to her. yeah, i know a lot of people in both in aid agencies and the government are a wary of the so called f word because it does have very specific implications. what does a declaration of famine actually do? well, i'm in. let me just put it this way. there is a committee that get to look at this on. they have the data now with their hands. i'm my i'm told that they will release that report either on monday, tuesday this week. so basically we will know whether we have passed that, that threshold or not on what that, what that means. if the data is that the government cannot say much, they have to declare the firm and doesn't mean it's a lot. by the way, if

a government is not willing, not or not capable of protecting its people, it's a, it's a lot about it. so very much. so what, what so many government can do that if the data is there, if the committee concluded that there has been reached the threshold, it has to lead, it has to announce the problem in and it has to read the process. and that actually would, it wouldn't boost its image internationally. it would make them more responsible rather than just existing on technicalities that show basically that's what they position when it comes to declaring or not the clarity. i hope is a lot of fight. i mean, i do want to ask all of you about this because it was my understanding that new agencies and the government together do have some leeway and some lassitude in terms of deciding whether or not to declare them good. i know you've been working

on some well without people who work on the founding review committees in your mind, how much scope does the government actually have to decide whether i wanted to clarify because there has to be some kind of political consensus to in the lot of the day, the somali day was in the heart of the government was in the heart of international community. and sometimes most of the data, not only the data that you collect on the ground, but it has to be sensory analysis. where a lot of thing has to be fucked in on most of these information and data is in the hands of, of international actors lake. they both know that when it did, and boswell is, if it's in a you and they're using that data and that is not in the government. but how do you say that the government in the last 5 to 5 years of building on his capacity in terms of getting access to such a data and trying to understand how to make a decision based on the available information?

yes, i agree with the professor about it is the responsibility of the government to protect this population on such a crisis. but it is very unfortunate that people started dying of their prices as early as may june, july, august. the date that. 5 accumulating thing is that all it is not as long as it's not, it's not, it's not an accurate, it's not a bumble. if it's a process, it's not one event. it is a process and we have the c on the government of the following. but the unfortunate part of it is that the, that we, the, that we, you know, the government is so law that it is getting more friends to political because here and there while people and yes, there are people who hold on. i'm going to let you come in there to respond because we just had the president of speak and he described a risk. and i'm, i'm sorry,

go ahead we, we will come back to you because i want to give hold on an opportunity to respond to what you've just said. the, the president describing this, written in some areas to declare famine. what, what does the actually mean by that? why do we know what, maybe our comments on the government will to declare? i think the government is willing to do what it takes to take care of citizens are to be responsive to what's on the ground in terms of numbers and dates. we've had contention relationship with the us in terms of numbers and the numbers that i collected, somalia. in recent years, there have been completed numbers and this is the reason why the government, the government begins to strengthen our ability to actually functional like a government and the business of declaring or the family jobs. and all of that is being questioned masters of i think the international curriculum resorts to stating that the government is not willing or it's busy with political between i think that

default i narrative that somebody government is not neglecting its duties, but really being cautious around what this means long term at the moment, right now the numbers are not there. are, there are pockets of places in the country where yes, he is real and that we do need to respond. yeah. but what does that mean? i like his family needs to be declared. i don't think so. i think the support in the finance. my question is, why are we not seeing increase response in the office of areas where we can actually target and improve conditions as far as what the president has is yes, that is that which is why we need to continue advocating to increase the resources and activities sorry that haven't come in this or that. that's not what the president said. the president said, declaring famine in specific areas was risky. and i think

a lot of people watching would assume that a declaration of famine means more attention and more aid. so what are the cons here? what's the downside government? which means that interferes with development and projected agenda for the next one year. that doesn't mean that the government doesn't recognize that isn't regency. the president doesn't record is an entire year on where they have been at the request of international community appointed. massive money have been collected . why don't we not seeing more engagement on the ground using the ones that have already been allocated rather than continuously looking to ramp up attention. but we're not actually meeting the demand. i think that's where the question i know you want to come in hand. and you haven't had a chance to speak recently if you are a show. and i can, i just say quickly that when it comes to the f for the order,

the timing was the last of the governments in the region don't like it. in fact, they have been pressuring an international community not to use it. and it's not just somalia, it starts are not going to be, it's others, they really don't like it's in, but it because of what he's gonna take some countries even like, i mean a government to my order because this might happen. so that's one of the main reason is that governments don't like when we talk to somebody officially, they received 3 concerns. one was the data, they stating that out there is still not reject the other one was they might lose the coordination, come back to do the whole area under 3rd one was really the money that is task for development might be reverted, or just the re routed to the relief. so these were the concern is to express it to all of them. maybe with a data when a site are not founded, i think the government can be, could achieve this area. bye bye, bye bye bye. coming more for sick 40,

at least even if it's not declaring the family and the president need to still come out and he needed to shave the level of emergency here. the excess that's is way too many. the put is to go to, to buy the given that is maureen, is that i just thought it might even communicate or even add to the death with a diety on how that is done by the respond to in also i'm in the, a lot of the food is just sitting in the port additional on what the big president needed to do is to use these amazon courses. i'm out of this to distribute the fruit. it's about 240 kilometers for additional where these cries is that taken place. and by the way, just to go back to 1991, where the international community, particularly in the united states, have to send a 1000 people to distribute food. so now it's really criminal in a sense to have so many people. so many troops and so many food available,

just the 100 kilometers away, are not being distributed timely. of course, that is our kind of so that school due to problems. i think this is the leadership that the government and a lot of this is about reputation and perceptions of what the government is doing. so good had, let me ask you, you are sitting in mogadishu. how does the molly is on the street? the feel about it, is there a political consensus amongst the public that's that more needs to be done? well, i think the issue of the government now saying that if we play a farm in the for example, that is also allocated for development that might be, might, might to be the if i said to humanity, i think when people in crisis, the 1st thing that they don't know will all of those. and i really agree with my colleagues that the, the 1st thing that they are the other governments, when all of these maybe is talking the development and saving people's life. i

think that that's one of the priority for whatever reason, one government. and the other thing is that yes, was he seeing that the people are dying because of the drought? the government is there. of course the challenges that is the security challenge bit of the shot and that is resource mobilization. challenge. all these challenges being there and people talk about what is happening that people are dying of hunger dying of on. yes, the government is not capable to capable of reaching it went to declares farming it is like glitching, but it is calling for other people to come on us. now, the to think about the decimal tomatti here is that the government but government capacity in terms of responding to the crisis, even if it is in public,

within the national actions. if limit that for now. but if you could find more resources, more human capital on the life will come in, in terms of responding to the crisis. now in the government say that we cannot declare time in pockets of the country. for example, that happened in 152011. that happened in 1992. now why is it that when there was no government that happened and the respond to that was made by this will monitor themselves the international community, save the life. why is it up to now that we have affected government? it is now sitting on the division. i can't understand the hold on i, i think that as a good time to, to bring you in here. look to hear a government has plato. sorry, god. hold on in 2011. i was just saying, man, obviously not literally a quarter of

a 1000000 people died in somalia and 2011. i was there myself, watching it unfold. i. i was on the ground reporting and i recalled that actually when famine was declared, literally more than half of those deaths had already taken place. so my question then to you is, is why wait do how to saying that there's an emergency situation that, that, that emergency relief needs to be prioritized over long term development. and you yourself have mentioned that there's enough resources there, but i understand that only what 43 percent of the humanitarian response plan for this year has actually been funded. i'm. i think i was here in 2011 when the federal definition was going on. and i thought the, the best i've that that's been happening. luckily, this is not the case. now. i think there is and misrepresentation of the severity of where we are today. i think there needs to be more focus on preventative measures rather than focusing on technicalities on whereas the minute

is today. i mean, i am in little bishop. i agree with him. when he says, why are we not distributing one already have nearly half a 1000000 people are extremely good for maybe about 10 and 20 kilometers from where i am within the borders. i think we need to have an honest conversation in terms of what the intentions are of the declaration of famine. i mean, obviously at the moment we don't meet the criteria, but i do have our colleagues who are pushing the declaration just to meet the international standards to actually increase in front off the back up from i think that's not what the government was. the government has done what they need to do. there needs to be more work needs to be done and the president, maybe wrapping up the, the rhetoric on the luxury ordination releasing was over there. i think there's a laxity within the international community and how they are responding to this

crisis is a wait watching. wait. i phenomenon that's going on right now. and i think i will push it back to the international partners who are the largest pers insurmark and when it comes to my opinion, a lease does that actually activating and releasing the funds that have been declared. the united states alone gave nearly a $1000000000.00 to somebody on humanity in response. we're not seeing that level of response to the ground. so i needed to question our partners to going back to the jobs act, the government in terms of the government. the government is just funding, do we need to obviously that's what i the crisis are or but i really do think we are sort of sites that the real issue, which is why are we not acting now in terms of responding to those increases? and i think i hope that everyone is calling for as much action as possible, and as soon as possible, i'm afraid we'll have to leave our discussion today there. thank you though to our

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