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i anthony ok. thanks for watching the stream. he take a look at my laptop. we can see how it all started. the very 1st tweet ever buy at jack on march 21st 2006, fast forward to october, the 27th of this year. and that is when twitter got a brand new owner from today's episode with the stream we are asking, how will twitter thrive on the lawn mosque? this is a conversation you are very much out of with you on twitter or if you're a new chief i do you realize the irony of asking you about sort of what your new chief, what the comment section is right here. be part of today's ah, we have a panel, a fabulous experts. hello victoria and jillian and merit. if it's a good to have all 3 of you here in the conversation, latoya, please say hello to international audience. tell them who you are and what you day . i'm victoria elliot, and i'm the platforms and power reporter with wired get daddy. hello gillian. say

hello to audience around the well, tell them who you are and what you do. hi, i'm the director for international freedom of expression at the electronic frontier foundation, a digital rights organization. all right, great to having julian and meredith. welcome to the string. these introduce yourself to our audience around the world. thank you for having me. my name is meredith clark. i'm an associate professor in journalism and communication studies at northeastern university in boston. all right, ladies. i had to look to see when you all joined twitter, victoria june 2012. thank you for your service, meredith. oh, my goodness, 2000. and 9 extraordinary, you've been there for a long time. gillian, you're virtually an o g u joy. in february of 2008, i'm going to take some of our viewers back to the very beginning with a little timeline that takes us back to 2060. remember that 1st treat the i short jody when 2006 to the launch as a micro blogging site. and then in the past 16 years,

they have been now an audience of 240000000 active users around the world. average number of tweets in any one day, 500000000 tweets st in a day. gillian, you're almost an o g tennis. what you've noticed that's been difference since. say the end of october, are you getting a sense of something different, or is it just anxiety? i, you know, i think i'll be honest and say a lot of it is anxiety. there have been small changes so far. there's definitely been an emboldening of the right of people, you know, making racist comments and harassing others on the platform. but in terms of concrete changes internally, we've seen staff laid off, but we haven't seen any changes to policies or to content migration practices just yet field or on the verge of them though. so i do want to say that now if you say that i, i think so, i think i find that interesting because i think it all depends on who you are. the

experience that some folks are having, particularly people from structurally marginalized backgrounds, women of color, people of color, l, g, b, i a, folks, they're having a markedly different experience. and while we may say that it's anecdotal at this point, they are reporting an uptick in harassment and hateful speech. i'm just looking at a guy here on twitter is from uganda, and he starts his tweet with ah, it's very much uncertain future truth to be taught. he's here on my laptop here of my laptop. so he does not know. and i think that most say many other twitter users right now, victoria, what can it has concrete that has definitely change in the last few days? well again, i think obviously it depends on the community are part of and you know, it structurally inside the organization. we know that they don't have nearly as many people who are working on their content policy staff right now. and one of the

things that i have heard from people who are outside researchers who are sometimes in contact with platforms when they find issues. this information networks important, you know, narratives that are spreading is that they don't know who to contact any war about problematic stuff that staying up on the platform. and a really great example of this is brazil, which just had an election, has really been marred by this information around that election that a researcher i spoke to mention that tweets that they might otherwise expect to have been removed or at least would have contacted twitters team about they don't know who to contact and those things have stayed up. martisha nanine. you're saying yes is articulate that, that note go ahead. well, the things that i'm thinking about are the misinformation and dis, information networks that are not only in brazil and other countries throughout the world. you know, my focus is mostly here on the united states, and we're seeing those same things pop up, but perhaps not in the same way,

not in the political arena. and those networks have been able to pretty much the proceed unimpeded because they're not as prominent when it comes to some of the bigger topics. so the election in brazil, or particularly the election in se georgia where folks are still engaging in the bad faith actions that they were taking before. but because it's not seen as important or as prevalent, they're just not getting the same sort of attention. it's interesting that on youtube, i wouldn't say a talking about what's happening right now. gillian, one view is saying, i'm confused that will twitter still be safe or would it not be safe? i think the only elements of churches that were very edgy in and not safe a tool depending on what community belong to, but that safety aspect, jenny, and what are you expecting to be different? yes, i mean, as meredith said, twitter was already not safe for a lot of people and i think it is getting worse. but i think that you know, some of the things to look at going forward. the new verification scheme is

absolutely something that concerns me and not just because you know, some of us will have to pay dollars, but there are going to be a lot of people whose tweet they're now not going to make them to the feeds. and who, for whom verification provided a set of protections. twitter also getting rid of its human rights team. that team did a lot of work in ensuring that twitter adhered to the un business and human rights principles that teams gone out in its entirety. and so i think a lot of the concerns are that i have are for people in conflict zones and in places where that team had been doing the most work thus far. so shannon had tweets just recently this november, the 4th, have a look here on my laptop. yesterday was my last day at twitter being, ty, human rights team has been caught from the company. i'm enormously proud of the work we did to implement you and guiding price principles on business and human rights to protect those at risk. go global conflicts and crises, including ethiopia, victoria, what are you hearing from inside twitter?

what are you seeing from those staff members who've been caught an accident and doing jobs that you don't always associate with a social media company, but we'll definitely happening at twitter. well, i think there's, you know, there was a big twitter spaces for a lot of the people that were laid off last week. and i think the biggest take away that you can hear from all the people who are like, oh is that they were incredibly proud of the work that they were able to do at twitter. and that the culture was something that really supported that. whether that's their met a team, which is their ethical ai team. you know, that was something that didn't exist at any other company, you know, sort of, big for profit social media company was going to invest in studying bias in a i, on their platform in the same way that twitter was. so i think there was something really unique about the willingness of the company to engage with sort of the story or questions about the role of their platform in modern society and the ethical implications of the work they were doing. and those people are the people who have

by enlarge, been cut from the new version of twitter. i think one of the biggest ideas that ill mosque has been sharing a not just recently, but, but over a long period of time when he's been a twitter user is the idea of free speech. and twitter should be a place for free speech can at button jelly and you start with what those challenges are an emerge if you pick up about the realities til in eastern shore. so, you know, i've been looking at twitter is role in the, in the, you know, as the, the public square, so to speak. for many years i'm in twitter started off of the platform that, you know, called itself the free speech wing of the free speech party. back in 2012 and then over the years, recognize the role that it played with respect to you know, curbing harassment, fighting terrorism and all sorts of other things, including this information which has been brought up a few times. they think that now you know, what you on mosque is trying to do isn't necessarily the same version of free

speech that the us would put out. not that, you know, he's not looking to align it better with, with international human rights frameworks. he's looking to amplify certain voices to, you know, yes, he's talked about getting rid of thoughts and span, but ultimately i think that by failing to fight this information, failing to fight some, some of our other societal ills. and then also at the same time saying he is, you know, he wants to adhere to the laws of the land in every country in which they operate. well, what does that mean for users and saudi arabia, for example, meredith, he had just, i don't see that working very well for ill on my skin. in fact, i sort of characterize the way he talked about re speech as really being a can to opening up chaos. i think it provides the civic, less than for all of us. you know, here, particularly in the us where twitter was founded. free speech has to do with the government inability to intervene in something that someone says or something that they post, unless it is directly harmful or hateful. if it's one of those prohibited forms of

each. what you, i'm talking about is giving free reign to people who have disproportionate areas of power. disproportionate reaches the power to say what they want to. and he hoped this on the platform that belongs to a private company where folks can say whatever they want. and they can rest assured that the private company isn't going to weigh in on that. that's very different than keeping the government from intervening and saying you can or cannot express yourself. you can or cannot petition your government for a redress of grievances. it's quite different for someone to be able to say whatever wild and outlandish or even off thing that they want to say, versus someone perhaps engaging and important political speech that speaks truth to power. the tory, there are some engage with the i was a few days ago which made me smile. it will show you the tweet is right hale, my laptop, the mask treated out. the bird is free. and then from europe,

when you have in europe defraud will fly by out e you rose and this is the digital strategy. i believe i just double check that, but it's basically laws that in europe make sure that what is happening online is in line with what would happen offline as well. that was the regulations victoria, do you feel that maybe mosque and what's happening to right now is in a little bubble and then not seeing the whole world of twitter just a little bit of that. they say, i definitely think that, you know, before he was the owner of twitter, yvonne was a super user of the platform. and he definitely thinks about the platform in that way that this is a place where one would come to broadcast their message and they wouldn't necessarily want to be censored. but most twitter users are not like them. a lot of people lurk and get information. they're not necessarily heavy content creators,

as we make call them and another platform. and i think it's also really important to note in a global sense that twitters conception of free speech is often much broader than a lot of the company. the countries, i'm sorry, that it operates and that can be problematic as we see in the us. but it also can be incredibly important. for instance, in india, twitter has actually filed a suit in the car, not a court to protect the free speech of it, to users to resist government orders to take down tweets and accounts that the b j . p. government has that are a threat to indian security and sovereignty. and you know, similarly it's protection of anonymity in countries like saudi has allowed to sit in people from marginalized communities to have a voice in a way that they might not otherwise be able to have through traditional media. and so it's what is particularly interesting is that musk has this very sort of

americanized view of free speech, where in our country it's sort of like anything that is not a legal can stay on the platform. but the reality is that what's legal is varies from place to place. and in many places, you know what free speech means for, for twitter is actually been really helpful for journalists and for activists. and if you're going to abide by the laws of the land in those places, those are voices. you're also going to silence them. that seems very at odd and in terms of his commitment to free speech that he's been very vocal. i mean, she had really quickly. yeah. married. and then it's not just, you know, an american idea of free speech, but it's a partisan idea of free speech. eli musk, it seems to be very much aligned with folks that are more right wing here in the united states. and that concerns me frankly. might he adapt the same sort of positions in, say, brazil, or in india, where we have seen tendencies for governments to

a doesn't matter if one pass. and although he has a huge following on twitter and owns twitter, has those views because twitter is more than one person, isn't it? no, i think so much more than one per yet. i'm to the rest of us. it's not actually one pass and maybe like getting this out of proportion. monica no, no his, his reaches his power is what is disproportionate. we're talking about a billionaire who had the ability to borrow. let's be clear enough money to buy this platform that is networked among a number of journalistic systems. i think that's one of the things that we tend to downplay that we pay attention to the individuals on the platform, but not the connections that the individuals are part of. now, at the helm of twitter, you must, is at the center of a lot of journalism. and we're journalists look for information where they connect with sources. and where they publicize that information and having him in there and

not abiding by any sort of rules or conventions that we are used to, or that we can even predict. this is someone who has been so unpredictable as to say that he would cut off the internet access to ukraine that he was provide providing for that rosa that the online community pushed back and then he changed his mind to. that is the power of the masses as opposed to the individual. so there's, there's going to be a conversation that's going to go backwards and forwards. it's going to be drama filled, but it will be a conversation. maybe just say gillian before i come to the essays, digital services at which is important. if you're in europe and you're online gillian, go ahead. i'm gonna ask you to make it brief because i also want to get the idea of how does to, to make money is not even possible telling you go fast. sure. yeah. happy to make it read from. yeah, i just wanna go back to something that was said about free speech because it's true, of course, that twitter is a private company to do what it wants. but we're looking at a moment where press freedom is on or is i'm backsliding all over the world. and

what twitter has done for so many users, including a lot of the activists that i work with, has provided a platform where they don't have another platform within their country. and so, yes, i mean i, i think we got, you know, free speech and the 1st amendment kind of confused a little while ago in that free speech does. for me, it is something that exists on these platforms to, especially when they're not other spaces for speech. so let's talk about making money. and if that is even possible for a social media site like twitter. so steve is watching right now from the u. k. i'm still staying with twitter, he says, but i will never pay for it. ah, oh no, it's hillary is that bad news? if people just pay for this, why should i? well, i think, you know, that is something that must, is currently trying to figure out. he just hosted a twitter spaces which was open, but specifically geared towards advertisers where, you know, he said, i think if people have to pay a dollars a month or if there's sort of

a price of admission that perhaps people won't be as mean to each other. won't be as aggressive, there is much so much hate speech. so, you know, there's, i think there's right now there's a scramble to try and find ways to make money. particular be particularly because advertisers have been so concerned. and this goes back to sort of his vision of free speech have been so concerned about the type of content up there ads may run next to. and so for twitter, generally, there were even before mosque took over there were some criticisms about it, not innovating enough to make money. obviously it bought vine and vine was very popular, video sharing platform and, and died. so, you know, there have been sort of previous criticisms of the company, not taking opportunities to build out other revenue streams. and realistically, a lot of other platforms, they look to content creators like instagram or tick tock, influencers as

a way to sort of bring money onto the platform. so i think those will also be on the table as well. and at least what it seems like right now is that, that $8.00 a month may not be for everybody, but he has floated a sort of suggestion of a soft paywall platform where maybe everyone has to pay to get in. we don't know yet. and he does if and if nothing else seemed to be responsive, as you mentioned earlier, to push back from users or from particularly vocal people. and we also don't know who is who's talking to him behind the scenes. yes, you are actually on a twitter space here just before we got on to the, at a loss was in that twitter space. what did you say it was newsworthy, the think? oh, i think again it's, it's mostly about quelling advertiser concerns. office wayne. okay. and you know, one of the things he said was, you know, every, if you have to attach

a phone number and a credit card to every account, it'll be much harder for trolls and misinformation doesn't permission campaigns to operate on the platform. but, you know, many of these people are very smart operators. they can find ways around these things, credit card of it, or is that i don't need it? or what could you possibly needs organ or not? i was, i was on twitter at the weekend and something really made me feel good about the communities that i'm part of. and the hash tag, which is black twitter. and i was no for about 6 hours because i went down that rabbit ho and didn't come out again. but what was beautiful about this and, and it's the same for science, twitter, people with disabilities to do an eligibility, q i o. plaster is that the communities have power, i'm boy each other up support each of the tao stories she had knowledge. i was so encouraged motive because what people were saying is the re created

a lot of the content that it's fantastic and exciting. and the reason people come here is because of what we do in this space. we're not going anywhere. we are sticking around. what are you making? i mean, i expect for users who consider themselves part of black twitter to stay for a number of reasons. they're saying they're not going something like mastodon because they will be siloed, essentially, into the different servers that method on uses to sort it's users. one of the things that troubles me about the resilience that black twitter has is that at the same time of recognizing that we do contribute so much to the platform, there's a lot that's also extracted from black twitter and there is no credit. there is no capital, there is no sort of recognition or how much value, black people, black communities and black culture poured into this platform. and frankly, with an owner like you must, someone who's companies have come under scrutiny for the kind of culture,

the hostile culture that they've created around black workers. i have deep concerns about what that means for black users who decide to remain on the platform. i want to actually bring in a voice that takes us into a global perspective for what it does beyond the united states and banga. so it was a little bit early. i have a nice and have a lot one of the things that we have actually found is that the platform lends itself too easily to allowing malicious actors to see the narratives into these will be standing section and is something that they have completely been unable to plan the team and especially over the past 2 years in many countries across africa. secondly, the platform is full of widespread harassment. not only of journalism activists, but even celebrities. just think about the number of celebrities that usually end up seeing that look, i'm getting this platform, i'm done with the toxicity of this thing, and i'm not going to do it anymore. and i worry that we the direction that it's

going, you know, we've integrated private and with huge lives. so content motivation, interesting to see that these things are eventually going to get worse. the avenues for accountability for the platform by actually shrinking. and that is something that should work. yes. i guess we'll have so many questions for our new chief audience. so this is gonna be the speed around you have less than 30 seconds to answer all of those questions. victoria and volunteering you festival we did in must dismiss so many workers. what are your thoughts about that very briefly? well, he has always been publicly critical of the content, moderation, trust and safety teams. and so i think those lay offs seemed somewhat inevitable and also he's trying to make twitter profitable. he, you know, took

a significant financial hit to buy the platform. and i think the layoffs are also a way of trying to figure out how to keep him from losing money on teacher or if autonomy getting another quick question. i'm going to put this one to you. this one comes from stephen. he says out is the area is and left the cesspool. thank you for the compliment. all right, you cheer compliments. thank you. content moderation hastings is the same as before . on twitter mosque is simply allowing free speech as guaranteed by the u. s. constitution. meredith, briefly fundamental misunderstanding of what free speech means by a company cannot promote the freedoms that are, is gone in the 1st amendment. those freedoms are upheld by our government government. what we're looking at when we talk about 1st amendment freedoms and the rights to free speech, is the right to keep the government from interfering in what you have to say. if you are, i must decide tomorrow that someone with an opinion on the platform should go. they

will just ask kathy griffin. all right, so victoria joined in 2012 gillian joined in 2008 murder. if joined in april 2009, yes, i was leaving any time soon. no, i'm with black twitter. i'll be here until it's time to turn your light off with doria. i'm not leaving, but i'll probably also have a master on account. oh. 1 and julia, i'm spending my time, but i'm saying on twitter because so many of the international activists that i follow are still using it to get attention. thank you. guess. thank you. he chose, i'll see you next time. take it. ah . i'm from canada and my country are playing in the world come for the 1st time since 1980 say this is my 1st time hovering a world cut. so to half the country that i was born in playing in the country that

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