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services to. ready ready and collaboration, he crania, and to sell the pricing in the southern city of her soul after the retreat of russian forces. it's one of the most significant victories for ukrainian troops since russia invaded in february. moscow had claimed the region as russian land for ever as the bank is increasing re ukrainians, do faith and number of challenges. one of those is the damage infrastructure or science currently without any electricity on the electricity remain that extra do provide a, hey thing it would take around 30 days to restore that supply. we also heard that your monetary organizations are attempting to get access so they can deliver food and water and the issue of their dam that's been damaged. we've seen video footage of that being released. and that's also a threat to because presidents, let's get that. if that was to burst will be blown up, it would be
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a catastrophic without counting in the us mid terms is continuing in the state of nevada democrats. so one feet away from keeping control of the senate. the tide with the republicans at $49.00 seats. hundreds of kenyan troops have arrived in the democratic republic of congo, held the congress army fight in 23 ripples fighting has intensified in recent weeks, forcing nearly 200000 people from their homes. but the headlines, the news continues here on al jazeera, after inside story. ah, ukraine celebrates were taking her san is one of the most significant victories is
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by same bade. it is as a turning point in the war and how vital changed military strategies on both sides . this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm hashem, alibaba. russia has put out of the only major city it captured in nearly 9 months of war in ukraine. i some fell in early march a week after the invasion began, but ukrainian forces have made rapid advances in the last few weeks. ah, people in the city cheered and raise the ukrainian flag on public buildings. president vladimir put in formerly annex the region in september, in
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a mood condemned internationally. a spokesman insists the kremlin would still recognize hassan as part of russia, but ukraine's president says the region is back in ukrainian hands, calling it a historic day. mr. harrison teacher, gar hassan residents have been waiting. they've never given up in ukraine. of hope for ukraine is always justified in ukraine always returns its own jap, which are grandma. i want to make a special mention of those russian soldiers, mercenaries, and collaborators who were abandoned it. hassan and other cities of the south. the only chance of being saved is to surrendered ukrainian captivity. we guarantee that you will be treated in accordance with the law and international standards. russia, call the pull out a re deployment videos, showed bridges leading out of the city, destroyed moscow says 30000 soldiers and 5000 pieces of military equipment have been moved to the east of the nip,
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pro river. ukrainian leaders believe russian troops left behind land mines and bald house on could come under russian shelling. ah, now lets bring in our guests in our day sir. hannah celeste, the security studies program director with ukrainian prism wasik, rainy and foreign policy, unsecure to think tank in moscow, paval thing, and how're an independent defense and military analyst and the communists in london to matilda sagamore. so senior latter insecurity and development at king's college, london and specialists in boston, falling as security policy. welcome to the program. hannah, how significant is the backups shuttle has song by the ukrainian army? there are 2 elements that we need to for is procedure. that is definitely important because that is part of the coolest and that is excess to crimea,
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that is important all, all the south from all perspectives and especially the graham bond further, but is also june the important psychological a because our birth will last it was the only be seated on your regional sense of the russians capture since the beginning of beef wave of invasion. but also because russia doesn't raise sad that it is washing part of the washing piece. it is russian and fire o the propaganda that 4 thirds in the last 9 months. and that's why now, really interesting to all the roches social networks called below. both are starting to question. if we've been defending the russian population there, why the making ukrainian our course always happened isn't flat. so we think that the logically will be important both for the ukranian as it is important to the great people, but also as the leverage against the russian problem. ringback inside of rush, pavel, what has been described as
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a major victory by the cranium has been somehow characterized by the bushes as a tactical withdrawal. but i think there's a general consensus of this is a major setback for the political establishment in moscow. oh, well the moon makes miller direct military sense and but a political yes that there's a disaster, but croatian disaster inside russia. and also it has high strategic meaning. because by abandoning this bridge head on the right bank, some of the narrow river. russia has clearly abandoned the idea that was in the beginning of this whole campaign to move further south and west to take nikolai besta reach the master republic gray boy rogue kind of take over the south of ukraine. the,
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with the more predominant russian speaking roy region and the cut ukraine away from the sea in tire. so back green has been abandoned. the russian forces are retreating or yes, regrouping. they're not that they're direct. we've pushed out, but they are retreating, both under orders and in the more or less organized manner. but still this is a strategic defeat and this is an internal and to some extent the external political disaster. the matina, are we likely to see model of a with set of strategies or more escalation in the conflict? i think that rick, i expected that maybe there is more intense fighting on other firms. we have seen that there is not a very, very dense bardeen going on around. the city is very much sort of on the stage. your cranium fighting very intensely there. over the last few weeks,
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they've renewed, suffered many casualties. but they've managed to sort of hold on, actually russia like decide to hit harder in the region of the front, but don't buy that. so i think that we cannot think that this is now start over. but i think at the same time, there might be some pressures to, to see if russia on sort of ensure fire as secure as conquests, which you don't already have. so i wouldn't be surprised behind the scenes to see russia and secure the region. they are ready can close, but i would expect an increasing fighting on other friends 100, emboldened by what happened on the ground, korean president for that and sky vote of the 5 we can t until the end. do you think that he has all it takes now to continue the push but or the ultimately other consideration will have to be taken before him was forwards
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. ah, 1st of all, what you need to move forward, that is the all wheel and readiness. your armed forces and here you definitely have the willingness. ah yes, there are tired nurse. yes, it is understanding of the difficult conditions during the winter. but at the same time, we understand that cease fire will play into the hands of the russian federation, but in ukrainian. because that will allow russians to train the newly mobilized or to restore some of the emanation stockpiles of being destroyed either by the rainy on or by north korean, will produce in russia. the science that is dangerous for sure. so nobody is relaxing. i'll what can be the constraints and keys ukraine has a last so supply of the immunization from our partners. definitely that can slow down a little bit, but that's also depends on the type of warfare i'll google give witnessing further as well. now we understand that not only by mood turbo visa montela just pro is one
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of the mayor of it, but definitely me, it's all file and the america that where it is. ringback nuclear station, and what is interesting that on the one hand russian instance i'd shelly, i am now in the need of the air raids even in odessa. but at the same time, in millions hoping we see how dayton's and slides withdrawal of mooted out good. so the also a few very unsafe at the occupied territories. pavel, after the russian military pulled out from cave and hawk if the only provincial regional cup till under the control was a was her son. and then just few weeks ago, president vladimir putin announced the annexation of the full region. the hans donia ask her son an approved year. now the last have sown. could this be an indication that there is something terribly wrong with the way the russian military stablished man has been thinking about this whole misery enterprise?
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i well, this campaign has gone very wrong afore russia. that's obvious. when there stood very much in moscow and it has been well pushing around the buck happening because not a military establishment now sends out well some this to those people who they trust that they were always against this campaign that it was pressed on them from the ground, there were other week i bought lusciously secretary of the security council. mister birth nicole from b f as b security agency. they were pressing for this entire campaign. the metro are reluctant and because it's clear, the things are gone wrong. and right now, russia who you will once fired, that's what the russian foreign minister is saying. that's why russian diplomats, the cram, was indicating a cease fire alarm cease, fire ha. c,
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fire base. basically, russia would want on the status quo who holds one more west? that's the one of control, a new kind of minutes. because russia needs a pause and because your brain has quite a number of advantages, and it will, they will be pressing forward. their offensive, especially in the winter comes and the frost freezes, the dirt to right now covering the entire region. and there's very little good roads there. it's all with when the frost comes to move again through fields and through dirt, roads. and there could be a big rock creek in the fence and russians are being right now. the defense winds in their rear in crimea in anticipation and gathering reserves. moving out of your song to have reserves for a possible,
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a ukrainian decisive offenses and only tele, when the russian presidential spokesperson pasco says that nothing has changed responses the russians are concerned in the sense that i have so remains parts of the countries this more just of an attempt to contain the crisis that has happened to all that the russians remain adamant about the need to maintain the game they have made in the past. i think that randy bradley the most challenging now for the football team that goes it's very difficult for the russian public to sort of accept that these areas that we're, we're not part of russia, you know, i have to be accepted or lost. so when i was listening to the ged program yesterday was clear that a lot of the common korea, all sort of states tv, ron channels, you know, commentators where we're hoping that this was just that temporary retreat. and that sooner or later they would take back these areas. so i think it's going to be very
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challenging for the population. dark fact that these areas are gone for good. and i think that there's going to be a lot of work that we have to be done from the leadership to explain that maybe this will have to be on the phone for a very long time. i think that there are different ripped population, especially those who aren't in charge of sort of of, of building opinions inside russia that this is really irrational directory. and i think that's, you know, the voices that pulled up the challenge that you have have are finding it very difficult. many have left. so there isn't really a very open discussion. and those who really are, are sort of challenging their position or even more assertive in terms of wanting russia to win this war and to continue the fight. so my impression is that there is a perception that maybe russia now needs to regroup, forces was made from john, then re attack again in the spring. that one of the tactics studies also being promoted uses id for the bombing,
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a ukraine to complete black out from the point of view of the center and energy capability, electricity guys. so that it is in a position where it's economic kind of function, super cannot leave properly. so there's massive bombardment, you know, joe, demoralizing some way that you bring out. but these, as we know, hasn't had any effect. so i think we can also expect these kind of approaches, you know, to show that, you know, we're not giving up with mind. hannah is the next logical destination of the conflict. going to be centered around that per year, or the way it was mid it's open so basically he has one of your sounds that now would be important to divide washington when the eastern northern eastern direction. because that's also the question of the supply to some of the courses, the poor children toil of the cranium breach. it is more and more difficult to
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supply the course and on the south feel it is happening. but that's also will be found the media, other issues, including the weather because ukrainian territory still beat that the weather has very different from the, to the south from the, almost the tropic out to the snow over. so that's why that will include the bus on the wrong, but also the rushing, the 2nd a lot where the general, who are on the ground with decisions they're going to made what type of their jewelry they are using. and the all we're going to tell us that about purchasing the truck you're trying to make the black out. that's the tactic. that is definitely the fact that well, law, the russian side, we're the, we see the p r. they realize that the, you have an advantage compared to off, but as soon as it is on the ground, that's really interesting called these for being happening on the left. that's much of, i mean,
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you should including helicopters. so that's what is difficult to present as an organized global territory. we still have plenty of soldiers, just changed the land and you're the found that as more of the future we have something to the public. it's also bring to sort of panic along to the courses because they don't have sides. what are the reasons why teams, what's commanders of once you from them? and that's also the logical thing. you don't have to know all poverty you earlier talking about the bus submitted to a strategy now after the loss of class. so are we likely to see them putting more emphasis on own own gaining places like so that'll be the north eastern of ukraine all moving all the way towards on the escrow region to try to consolidate gains in baltimore and probably fca well back motors under c share the attacks on both the red by the chair were comp wagner
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or mercenary group. i will they take the city or not again that so no one question, but this is a very tactical move to improve the positions. because right now, in the time of the russ bullshit, sir, that's the sea of mud. you can fight, but a maneuver of both swift, a fancy, those are very much hampered by the way that will change soon. and then the winter campaign which you in the west military stand to go to winter quarters in the winter, but not here, not in russia. you're great. there's going to be a decisive military campaign. both sides will be trying to achieve the size of results. russian strategy right now, my parent way is to stop ukrainian offensive include in quick heavy casualties and force you grain and it's backers in the west to go for our reward ceasefire because
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right now victory as it was envisaged. it last february is a query unachievable for that's understood in moscow. so that right now the russia would want a pause in the finding to regroup, really do re on to prepare for the future. ok, and ukraine does not want to do that. of course. all right, donna taylor, now when you have the or term with all the problems that come along with, with, with the whether you have the raise, you have the muddy ground and you have both parties losing each about a 100000 casualties. since the thought of the conflict, could this be the moment for both parties to consider the need to start political talks? i think this is not going to happen because i think that, you know, from the ukrainian perspective, it doesn't make much sense now to sort of negotiate the fire when they are in
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a position of strength. they are gaining momentum. they are receiving additional equipment. they've got to have, you know, because they haven't gotten hit. so they're deep into the territory of that is ok find by russia which is forcing russia to more some of its control centers further south. they have very strong morale. they are be received by the population say here. so this will really sort of, i am bold and even more, you know, that you need to continue with these come on to do you not to see if they can make sure that they gain additional territory? because this also this support, externally, you know, the more they win, the more they can show to that western partners that the military support they're getting to know how to provide us with the results and the, you know, i think the underlying question of the problem we have oceans is that there is a very strong lack of trust. you know, i think that does a yankee, you know,
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for very obvious reasons we doesn't trust, will shedding partner on the other side. and the russians, as was mentioned by barbara le, very eager to negotiate. but i think that everyone knows that basically be just as he's fire, preparation for future hiking, not just talk about definitive agreement for the future. so the only thing that one hope that that negotiation would lead to real withdrawn on these areas that are okay by russia. but i really don't see. okay, working, you know, going on long back 9 because already that also on he's causing so much, you know, term only internally margin if you have to withdraw from a lot more territory. so i'm not very optimistic about any kind of negotiation. it seems obvious that now with the for ya, in ukraine, people don't want this to settle into some sort of military stalemate. they want to continue the offensive, or they know that to do that. they need more weapons. but with the administration,
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the biden administration divided about how to move forward with key members of the ministry establishment saying it's about time to start political talks. do you think that this is something that could determine the next step of the ukrainian president? know, 1st of all, i can't say that he's there for a or a for one day celebration calibration of your people lot in general these before a very constrain you just people realize sounds. what are the cost of these big stories and what can be the consequences and that's what you really feel among the patients and among the society. but in terms of the weapons supply, we just received additional from those just yesterday, the new package being announced. not only the us because you are the one country, that is why there are other and more conscious joining than that, we will have the new ranch sign meeting, discussing additional support for your grades. we are changing the priority for what we need now is some for the system,
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for example. so that is the ongoing process i will be through on the ball, make some countries look differently what to supply to not only victory, but also how we use these weapons effectively. and that we are not detecting the russian territory, but only the boy 18 or defending ours. and regarding the decision it was about pushing or not pushing you last. remember that in march you bring your delegation had been present to the previous of the she ation burke and viola was back in the tunnel and. 8 at that time, they were just intern agents from the russian side. what is interesting that up to 9 months old. oh, slow says wrong key. even hard. for me, every tore, it will change you. it is becoming even more violence against ukrainian. so that is why the truck but also just the ration all about to why we have to do for the chaise or just the listen. russians like to in the need to cranium naisha. they
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just don't have any nonsense because the russian positions didn't change. pavel, if the 2 parties asked to meet in the future to start negotiations, give us a sense of why add to the buttons stand as we speak. what would be the bed lying for them? and what would be the consensus as far as they are concerned, to turn the chops out of what happened in ukraine? mo, officially, russia has says that they speak or read the parts of russia. they've been reunited . the don boss of the parachia has your san marcos, likely that will not change a toe a well the same bread. there's the same regime in moscow. i think the kind of nuances, if, if we're talking about the ceasefire, well, green does not recognize crimea as russian and no one else does a. so in a rush you would say ok, you don't recognize this,
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but we hold it. but we know, you know, we recognize your song as russia, but you don't and we don't hold it. so there could be a quid pro quo a areas, a kind of agreements past that agreements of who holds wife for the time b. because a peace agreement, a nacho piece per okay. disagreement. i was untenable, but the ceasefire of sorts can appear. da, metella very shortly. if you don't mind, do you think diplomacy still stands a chance? i'm not very optimistic. as i said, for the reasons i don't was so highlighted by the previous speakers. so i don't think that this is the moment, but i always think it's very important to keep the lines of communication open to avoid. and you know, massey explanation. we know that russia says nuclear white, but understand that what is the use of tactic and you know,
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so i think it was important to sort of discuss certain sort of brake lines. i make it clear what is unacceptable for example to the west. but i think that you know that the chances of success at the moment, i'm not very nice to tell us like a low, so a puzzle to get holla, shirley. so i really appreciate you this. i think you're looking forward to talking to you in the future and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash a jane sized laurie. you can also join the conversation on twitter, or is it a jane size 40 for the house and the entire team here in doha bye for know? ah ah.
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