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the american people went to the ballot boxes this week and it sounds like they want the political temperature in this country to go down a lot. tens of millions of votes have been counted and many more still being counted. but it's likely that the republican party will win a razor thin majority in the house of representatives. they might have been hoping for a big red tidal wave, but it seems more like a pink splash. the democratic party avoided its worst fears. they were bracing for a knockout punch due to the rising cost of living across the united states. but it was more like a slap on the wrist. if this was a referendum on president joe biden, he didn't do too badly. still, he is going to have a hard time running the country his way with a big part of congress against him. so now that the votes are being counted which way is america going? and what lessons are both parties taking away from this election? today we're talking to janelle king, former deputy state director of the republican party in georgia and host of the podcast. let's talk about it. and robin johnson, democratic party analyst,
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and host of the podcast, heartland politics. he teaches political science at monmouth college in illinois. let me start with you robin and thank you both for joining us. robin. i, you know, there's a lot of different spots of, you know, what's happened in the country and i've got my own views. i'd love to kind of hear what is heartland america see in this. what do you, you know, being an informed political observer? see, are the biggest lessons to take away from what happened this week in the elections . for the 4th election in a row, the american people defied the pundents in the experts and had their own say on the future, the country which i, i like as you said, a selection of went a kind of opposite of the way that a lot of the pundents were saying it was a big surprise is evening went on, what happened? and i just think there's a lot of layers to uncover here on what happened and why. and i think it's going to be interesting when all the data gets in, when all the number numbers get in to look at. because for example,
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florida went heavily democratic, or i'm sorry, republican and really cannot be regarded anymore. i think is a, is a swing state iowa next door to me where my show errors are with saudi republican, upstate new york did as well. but in a lot of other places, the democrats, one. and it's going to be interesting to look at a broader themes is we looked at the numbers and, and look more and more data on what exactly happened and why all, let me ask the same thing of you to now and i should tell everybody i went to parties, you know, before the count had begun both a republican oriented party in a democratic going party. let me say the republican are in part or in the party was rather buoyant. they expected to win about 40 governorships, about 240 seats in the house of representatives, and at least 54 senate seats. so, janelle, what, what happened, what, what is your take on all that? i think we were celebrating, eludes who early, you know, i know i mentioned this to you before,
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but i absolutely didn't feel the momentum that i felt like my party was projecting . and that's because i talked to people outside of the political bubble that we all live in. i talked to people who are outside of the eco chambers. that mostly that we see a lot of people living in. and when you get to people more than simply just trying to live their lives here, their families pay their bills. they don't have the time to put into the into the political space. they rely on people like us. and that's the people i talked to because i feel like that's who i'm representing every time i have this platform. and when i talk to them, i heard that there was going to be a slate ticket. and i her and says here in georgia, and i also her that this, that the abortion topic was more of the wild card. and i think people thought, wow, it may not may not have been the number one issue coming out and polls there were
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a lot of people on both sides of the aisle that really felt strongly about. is there a lot of pro choice republicans that i spoke to were feeling torn? so you know, you take that, you throw in the fact that we had some candidate quality issues and you grow in the climate and you kind of shake it all up and you really don't know how is going to allow. but i, i agree with robin on this when i love it, when i see the people decide ga, may not have a winner in the united states senate. as of this week, you may see a situation in which the 2 contenders, the incumbent, the democrat raphael warnock, who's in the united states senate, challenged by football star and trumpet doors. herschel walker with a lot of complexity, may have to go to another run off and about a month. can you tell us a little bit about what that feels like and did you expect that? yeah, so the poll showed us that that was more than likely going to happen. so we were
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not to surprise that we're looking at a runoff. but for those who are watching, who don't know in georgia, in the, in particularly in georgia, you have to get the last one extra vote, 50 percent plus one bow in order to outright when, so i actually like that method because to me it basically said that over half of those who have voted have to support you rather than it be, you know, we have low turn out and it just so happens that the others that are our size, you know, get a majority and then it determines everything by like the way we have it because it puts extra pressure will turn out and they also put pressure the motors. but i do think that, you know, because we were anticipating this. it's not too much of a surprise, but we didn't want. we did not want a run off situation primarily because of the fact that, you know, herschel walker had been really kind of battling through with it, were not, is the incumbent, he does have record record to run on. and they continue to pull out of mr. walker's
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pads that you know, kind of throw this up in the air once again. so now we haven't declared to run off as of right now as we're recording this, but i will say that it's looking like it's gonna go in a direction. i know they're counting some absentee ballot in somebody unfounded votes that came in early. so we're going to see what they're really neck and neck. well, let me ask you this, i'm going to pull out my phone here folks, and this is on purpose. i reached out at about 5 this morning to the white house, chief of staff, ron clain, and i got because i know i woke up the 1st response of the chief of staff this morning to day as we're taking this to the elections. and i published on the record and, and i asked, what are your takeaways, ron clane and he writes a strong night for the president and his party, a rejection of the you turn and make america great again, extremism. robin, i'm just be interested in your take on ron claims take and you know, when you step away historically, when we were expecting the incumbent party,
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the controller of the white house to be delivered, a knockout punch as usually happens. did it happen to brock obama had happened to president clinton, but if this holds, i mean right now, president biden had the best performance in a mid term election of all, i mean, i find myself surprised saying that, but a b s in your take? well, it's interesting, he mentioned talking about the accomplishments because my criticism was the democrat's work. we're not talking about our accomplishments. i think they had a compelling case to make that some of the legislation they passed in the last 2 years were, were designed to address the problems people are facing. and i didn't hear a lot of that. we had a lot of ads about abortion, which i think did play a big role in this. there were other ads more centrally focused on issues in different regional locals. but i didn't see a lot based on the accomplishments of the last 2 years, which i thought was a surprise. and i think it could of perhaps help them help democrats even more so
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that that is somebody who considers himself more moderate when to the party. i was a little exasperated that they were not talking about economic issues more and i think it did serve to kind of hold down summer plus the possibilities of success. that wound up not being there. so i'm just sort of interested does this change the dynamic now we're now there is a private we now have had reports from politico that have said at very senior levels that now joe biden will run, that this is the, this is the validation of joe biden. and they're saying he will now run, but i mean, is that what they should be feeling? i'm there were a lot of factors involved here. and i certainly think abortion wound up playing a big role. the numbers i saw last night on young people voting and participating and they voted overwhelmingly democratic regardless of your party, you've got to feel good about that, that young people are engaged. did they vote because of abortion climate or student
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loan forgiveness? i don't know, but they did vote there were there was video of wives of people, mostly students waiting to vote like up in madison, wisconsin arbor, michigan. so i think that was heartening, but again, i think biden's well served to talk more about his accomplishments in terms not in terms of the details of legislation and these obscure names they call these bills. but in terms of the difference, it's going to make for people at the, at the human level. and i think there's a story that, that can be told there are the infrastructure built, the chips act, the inflation reduction act, all have elements to them that i think are going to really make a big difference the local level. but people haven't been told that they haven't been, it hasn't been explained to them. how that will make a difference. i think that's a big opportunity leading in the 2024 for democrats to do that. you know, when i mentioned ron claims comments about the economy and you know, dealing with inflation and the cost of living i, i saw you cringe
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a little your thought. yeah, i felt like democrats didn't want to touch this issue because the fact is the inflation reduction. ag did not reduce inflation in the didn't plan to, i mean, it was more so of a climate change act. but i don't think they want it to touch this issue because of the fact that they are, they know that they're kind of, they will have to answer a lot of questions to the american people. so i was surprised, i am surprised that that's something they're tallying because i like robin, i didn't hear one democrat, you know, using president biden as a resource to help her guard garnish, may a boat in garnished support. so i don't know, i just, i definitely think that that was more of a political statement. and every, at reality, i think that the 2 issues that really stood out, like i said, was, was if the place for republican and abortion, for democrats now,
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the increased turn out in young people. definitely, i will lead balances it out a little bit and help democrats or didn't want it in georgia by sitting us for run off. because me, i said we did see some minorities leave the democratic party. and i think these new younger voters kind of made up the difference. but the problem, the democratic party is going to have is keeping them engaged because these younger voters are coming when a very, very progressive mentality. a very progressive agenda. we were, we were speaking to students at a university here in georgia. one of the current one questions was that was proposed to us was, how is it that capitalism is something and so good when communism is good as well? and i and i, in my mind, i was kind of like, wow, this is interesting because i haven't seen in my lifetime, anyone who made a case, a positive case for communism. but i'm here in america. although i, so this is
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a new group. this is definitely a new group is coming into the democratic party. and janelle, i me mentioned having, i just audience that, you know, i happen to know that, that you've had encounters with president trump. he's, i've seen him call you out from the stage your husband out from the stage, you know, sort of some sort of relationship there, vice president trump as basically trying to clobber a lot of rivals within the republican party. and he spent a lot of time trying to take ron de santis, the, the governor of florida, the successful governor, florida who just ran again for reelection. they are called him ron d sanctimonious for not being gracious enough for present from endorsement in the past. and lo and behold, rhonda santa is basically beat his rival by nearly 20 points, which is extraordinary performance. i would robin to share to saying the red wave really did hit florida. marco rubio did an extraordinary job. i guess a very good candidate. val. deming said black, former orlando police chief who had served in the house with a distinguished record. and so i guess my question is,
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what does that do within your party with the popularity, with a lot of basically conservative commentators right now are not expressing great admiration for president trump's behavior. you know how to add? is it gonna get put together again, or is it now we're going to see humpty dumpty not be able to put back together? you know, i think it's important to add that in when you look at this, if you have you, paul, my party and you ask the question, how many of you support it? president trump is of course is policy versus the question. how many of you think president trump should run again? you're going to get 2 totally different answers. that is what we're dealing with right now. the reason why you're going to get totally different answers because we all saw the benefits of having president trump in the white house as the, as the results to a policy and being able to deliver good strong policy. and on the flip side, i think he's his own worst enemy, because he continues to make comments. that puts us in
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a position where when we're talking to people and dinner at events and doing everyday things, you feel like you almost have to defend him because you're really defending his policies. you're really ending what he has produced for this country. but you don't want it to been the person because you don't agree with the personality that you're getting. and that's what we're running into. the reason why i believe governor de santis did so. a well is because he brings the hammer, you bring strong policy, but he also brings the era compassion. he also brings the connectivity with the people and i, i can't let this moment pass without acknowledging my governor, governor brian kin brandt. governor kemp took so many hits from governor me from president trump when it came to opening up our state early was the 1st to do it even before governor de santis when it came to appointing. senator leffler, i know president trump was not happy about that. on down to running center, david, purdue against him, and really backing him back. and can this a try to push
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a governor, tim, out what he defeated all of that. he defeated the narrative in he the be to stacy abrams, and i thought, i think he needs to definitely get his flowers and get his recognition for being able to do that. that's a huge thing. but i do think that me personally, if i had to make a prediction i, i think it's going to be a struggle getting uh, president trump of the primary in 2024. if he chooses to run because governor to stance is definitely coming. and real quick, you know, next tuesday, this can be a big announcement, a allegedly by president trump. are you in favor of a big announcement? you know, personally, i will love to see fresh new blood. i think that presidents from would be better as a king maker than the king, and i really would love to see that personally. when i thinking maker, i don't mean hand picking candidates. i bet are your friends. i mean picking, getting behind strong candidates. when i think he can death,
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he strong in that area robin. one of the things i candidly had a few doubts about were president biden's to speeches about this election being one where the fate of democracy was on the line. because i felt as if those people who were reasonable republicans, pragmatic republicans, were being told that they were empowering somebody. so i didn't know how it would come out, but i'd love to learn from you and get your perspective, particularly heartland perspective on that. you know, fate of democracy messaging because they sort of feel like we got democracy in this race. whether it was from president brighton's encouragement or not because people who thought they knew the outcome have been surprised. the outcome is the way democracy supposed to work. you all accept the process you don't now is going to come out, but love to get your sense of whether that rhetoric was helpful or, or was it potentially hurtful? you know, it's like everything else it's,
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it's seen through the lens of polarization. and depends on your party. i do think there's enough people on the republican side on and i think i think from janelle's territory, brad ration burgers, one of them. i think the governor of georgia kemp is another. there are enough republicans down the why and especially in suburban areas, women who, who of agree that that democracy was to some degree on the line perhaps. and i think they're the ones that shifted and made biden president, but they also keep in mind 2 years ago, i elected quite a few republicans. 2 years ago we were talking about democrats not fulfilling expectations. so i mean, i think that, that talk of democracy. i'm like you, i saw a lot of people kind of rolling their eyes about that, but perhaps it had some kind of impact with folks that are concerned about that. including those in the middle. there are still independent voters out there. there's not as many as there used to be,
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but they're still the ones deciding elections in georgia. you had a significant number that voted for brian camp, but then of voted for raphael, warnock. so, and we saw this and other places like in wisconsin. so they are, they're not gone, they're still around and they still do decide elections. and it will be less interesting to look at data coming up to see if that did have a role in what, how they felt, again out here in the midwest, things are so polarized. what i see is it just depends on your party affiliation. whether you agree with this threat to democracy or not, i think it's really important for our audience. understand what you just said. that millions and millions of americans split their ticket, meaning they, they voted for, you know, brian camp a republican for governor. they voted for a democrat for senator that is something that, that many people look at this as, as, as a healthy with sort of interesting that you raised that. but very quickly to both of you and i'll go to you 1st robin before the election ran, there were a number of very famous democratic analysts and said, woke,
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nist has destroyed the democratic party that the woke agenda has really mortally wounded democratic party. i think we have to now go back and say, hey, was that right? what are your thoughts on it, robin and then janelle, in the met midwest. here, a lot of the democrats, when i'm, i'm from an area that obama trump, uh, the county i live, been voted for obama twice than from twice. and there is a feeling that things have gone a little too far with woken us. i think with a lot of voters that decide elections out here. so i would just caution democrats to not do an end zone zit dance just yet over these results. i think number one, i think a lot depends on if, if, if the republicans were able to win the senate than that a seat is going to be critical. and that i think of georgia goes to run off, as long as trump stays out of it. i think it will probably favor herschel walker,
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but what i'm seeing out here and the results so far as a continued just defamation of the democratic vote in rural counties, republicans just pile up big margins and rural counties. and also in some of the old factory towns that used to be democratic, used to be heavily union. you look along the mississippi river in iowa, all those counties up and down used to be reliably democratic. the republican now the same as in a lot of places in michigan and across the heartland, pennsylvania, ohio. it's the key is still being able to win majorities within states and, and the rural and a factory town type vote is still going to be critical. and that, i think for me, right, a good job in pennsylvania, reaching out to rural voters, to reduce those overwhelming margins. the democrats were losing by the floors dropping out. they used to be democrats will get maybe 40 percent of the vote rural counties than $35.00 than 30 now. there's
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a lot of counties biden didn't even get 20 percent. you can't keep doing that and expect to win and get an overwhelming vote out of out of urban and suburban areas. so i, i would, you know, it's a, it's a victory for the democrats last night. no question about that. but i wouldn't, i wouldn't be in the end zone dance just you have to now let me get your thoughts on the politics of woke this, but i want to add on to it because you and i have spoken about it before about the proliferation of identity politics, particularly around race and inequality, these kind of divides that are out there and your uh, provocations on that front. when it comes to woke this, i am 100 percent against it. and the reason why is because i just don't believe in any system that creates winners and losers and determines who those winners and losers are outside of meritocracy, outside of hard work, and just being excellent. i think that while there are outliers, there obviously individuals who are going to shoes and play the identity politics game and even play the i did any game, even in corporate america. i do know,
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and i do think that those are outliers. my husband likes to say, let's live within the standard deviation. i think that when you look at the majority of people, we live in the standard deviation when it comes to my business and our company, we're not looking to hire people by based on the color of their skin. we're looking to hire people based on their ability to get the job done and do it well. so i think if we continue to make that the focus, we will see the diversity we're looking for. we had college students on mercer college campus in the college. republicans, the mercer university told us that they believe that meritocracy is diversity. we've got to get back to that or fascinating conversation. we're gonna leave with their republican analysts. janelle king and democratic analyst, robin johnson, thanks so much for your candor. and for being with us today. as to thank you for having me. so what's the bottom line? democracy is way bigger than elections. it's about fair courts and about minorities who have rights and checks and balances on power. but a big part of it is having no idea what the outcome of an election will be and then
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accepting whatever the results are. and that just happened this week in the united states. it was not one big issue that moved all americans. some were moved by abortion, right, somebody inflation, somebody, crime and racism in the environment or drugs, guns, even foreign policy. so american politics are still really a patchwork. no one party has a definitive hold on the course. americans wants to take, it's kinda like they said, biden isn't so bad, but trump's not the answer. now the hard part is all sides are going to have to have a conversation or deal with each other at least, and figure out together which direction the country goes. and that from my view is an excellent thing. and that's the bottom line. ah it's every football is dream to play at the world cup. a new series follows players
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