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that's the tournament. the thing is, he's 9 years old. they're really like soccer. i was to whenever the u. s. last time the you are say bought into a world cup. that's pretty special to you or say is also the youngest team to work up. everybody loves guitar, everybody's rooting for them. but they're going to get gadbois leather windsor 1st because they have van dyke in the job. and argentina gets 1st because they have math even born get 2nd because they have low and dusky and then franco get birth because they have content. tar, benjamin and, and bob, i do the don't. we'll get 1st. might even when the world part, brazil destroys everybody and there grew england. there came photon, gree lesh and grill julie bass player mcguire than they have ran. slade after yeah . on wales they're in fail. that's the only player is the only one that scans score below, but he's not going to get the word out of the group stage. and then group 8,
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you got to know that worked for they'll be the 1st person ever to average 4 and 5. i think i care of how you work out for the my friends, it's really lucky that country i live, then we'll get to the post it ah got all of that. he's predictions super store or at our headlines on al jazeera u. s. president joe biden says chinese leader appears open to compromise just hours after they met to head of the g. 20 summit in bali. the white house says they discussed taiwan, north korea, and the ukraine war. we had an open and candid conversation about our intentions and our priorities. it was clear he was clear and i was clear. they will defend american interest in values promot, university human rights, and stand up for their national order and work in lock step with our allies and partners. we're going to compete vigorously for,
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i'm not looking for conflict. i'm looking to manage is competition responsibly. and here's what she's paying had to say during his meeting with button. currently, the china us relationship is in such a situation that we all care a lot about it. because this is not the fundamental interests about 2 countries in peoples. and it is not what the international community expects us as leaders of the 2 major countries. we need to chat the right course for the china us relationship. we need to find the right direction for the bilateral relationship going forward and elevate the relationship. a belief in turkey have arrested 46 people in connection with sundays bombing, and it's tumble. the explosion killed 6 people and injured dozens more of france and the united kingdom have signed a new agreement on immigration control. in the english channel, the deal is worth more than $74000000.00. east african leaders have announced talks aimed at stopping, fighting in the democratic republic of congo. the discussions will be held in kenya
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on november the 21st. this comes as con, lili's forces baffled rebels for control of land between cuba and regarding just 25 kilometers from the regional capital goma. and the u. k says it is working to secure conseula access to a pro democracy activist jail that in egypt allow bill fatah has been on hunger strike since april. he has now started drinking water after refusing to do so week ago. and he took that decision to pressure authorities into allowing british diplomats to visit him up next on al jazeera inside story. we're back in 30 minutes . ah, it's an agreement aimed at implementing
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a theme deal. the philippine government and to grow levels are pledged to allow humanitarian a deliveries into the water region that will the truth hold and is peace in northern if you're possible. this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hash an alba. if the us government and rebels have agreed to allow immediate humanitarian access to te, gray and other regions in the north, the pledge signed in nairobi is the latest step towards ending 2 years of conflict . it follows last week's tours on implementing a big deal inked at the beginning of november. northern africa is in the grip of a severe humanitarian crisis. the un estimates 13000000 people in the to grey
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dominated european politics for 2 decades until abbey. and that came to power in 2018. in november 2020. the prime minister ordered a military operation against the group. accusing it of attacking military base is something that to be a laugh, denied. the rebels retaliated and the fighting, intensified spreading into the neighboring a fall. and i'm how to regions i read 3 and troops were also involved backing. if european soldiers, several truces and temporary cease fires were declared and collapsed during the nearly 2 years of conflict. the un amnesty international and humor weiss watched have accused both parties of atrocities and possible war crimes. ah, listening and our guests in stockholm is tick. les gabrey, michael, associate, editor of to got a platform that documents for war in to grey. in london,
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martin plowed senior research fellow, other institute of commonwealth studies and in birmingham is bizarre. now that you, your men are teaching feller the university of birmingham. welcome to the program. to clay vera occupations and counter accusations on both parties, the to gray, to gray as and the government about the acts is that has been granted to the humanitarian trucks into the gray. it doesn't seem to be happening according to that to ryan's well so, so, but what we know is that the, the, the to grants were in very, very uncertain terms told in south africa that they didn't sign the deal. he monitor and aid would be continued to be with her as it has added had been for the past 2 years, essentially that he had been regime and they returned regime joined hands and used starvation as a, as a, as you, as
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a women of war. and that was hand against them against it, to grow representatives in south africa. so the reason now we have time to learn, they were forced to, to sign the deal was because they were told by the observers by the facilitators, a, you and the americans. but if they didn't sign the deal, starvation would continue to be used as a weapon of war. so that's what happened. oh, and the signed because they wanted a to get in to starving. people are dying from starvation from multiple reports that we have been able to understand that there is a mess, suffering integrate. but even though they, they signed under that enormous pressure, we know that aid hasn't got into to grab until to day. so nothing has changed in terms of actually aide and get into the grad, even though the very reason that to grow representative signed the deal, but is otherwise extremely unfavourable to to gray. was to make sure that aid got into to grandma is extraordinary. that the a,
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you and the americans and the other people who facilitated that the diva would, would, would really use the v withholding of aid as a bargaining chip. so, so that's where we are. okay. martin, they, it seems that the idea of starting with the humanitarian aspect of the agreement is to build trust and confidence between the 2 warring size but after 2 years of locate and starvation, the w h o chief is saying that many people are dying from treatable diseases and many are dying from starvation. is this an indication that the agreement itself remains fragile? well, i think until the aid actually begins to flow and we have no indication yet that it is flowing then certainly it will remain fragile because as, as tech is just made clear, this is one of the main reasons that the grand sign. but we have to see some kind
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of proof and that's why it's important that not only the aid goes in, but we should have some independent journalist going in as well. who can then report from the ground and say this is what is happening. business. why is it that on one hand, you get a sense from this above other they have made major gains in the agreement. but at the same time, they seem to be extremely cautious. careful when it comes to channeling a than allowing aid in to take away what is happening. i think both parties have gained a lot from signing the spin. the wire has been devised 15000000 people were starting because of the conflict. and this conflict should get solutions in one way or the other. they finally agreed to resolve the issue piece which, which is a huge achievement in the continent by just looking at the deal. even
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if you know that it's implementation is crucial. but on the other side, in terms of anybody gave government reports at that age, started throwing to the region, how they are still under the t p. lead control in the south, me and demobilization integration not be completed. the 2 groups military neither signed the detailed procedure or disarming and integration only 2 days ago. and i think it is very out of me to, to evaluate the amount of low paid. but we, we need to also remember that there are a lot of issues and convincing each mia, sorry, go send that, passing down the coma and need some time even from the t p. let's considering that data feeling that the deal was bought from their perspective. this may need some days to convince ok one of the negotiate or get that to run the only part too much to day. and i think it's to me to, to flag about there is
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a problem or the deal daily, but anything. hopefully they need to work a lot in order to deliver. now what doug, we my nice ticket to play. the to gray is how to set of conditions in the past about starting political talks with this about this they seem to have decided to abandon most of those demands for the sake of having aid trickling into their own areas is does it really explain the fact that they took away, as we're willing to go for those massive, massive setbacks when it comes to signing this agreement. just for the sake of him in humanitarian catastrophe on the ground. well, i don't think they have abandoned their demand. i said, i think what happened is when they went to south africa bay found out that the cards were stacked against them because they were told that whatever the deed was offered to them, they had to sign. because if they didn't,
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aid wouldn't get in. so they were not in a position to demand the other political and the other political questions that they had before they had to sign in the faint hope that some aid would circle in to, to, to grab it. and what they did at what i think, and we don't really know because they haven't been really speaking openly about foot wide. they signed the deal. but i think what happened is that they put the other questions in the back burner. and the sign in the hope that some, some a would get it. so that seems to be the thinking on the part of the to grounds delicate delegate. but i don't think they have. uh huh. i'm up abundant. that demand because they haven't basic want that the month base said that the tick to grands to categorize holborn territorial integrity must be respected. wanted that you must be respected. perpetrators of crimes must be held to account. so they are basic ones. the demands. i don't think they would be in a position to draw them up if i could just at one point early job the it. yep. and
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to the point that they depend rooker, i guess raised the a senior government official with yesterday, bob called lion. he said that aid was blowing to the gray, but immediately humanitarian workers in india say that that was actually categorically a lie because they have been bad and they still continue to be banned from delivering aid. so be the, the, i to the claim. the eighty's getting to to great is a complete categorical ally, and this is that something that he monitor and workers have been repeating the saying, oh point they will share the cost of it when we talk so much talk and you get to actually get to play off the great, so i'll promise, i'll get back to you when we talk about it later. the program about a retro martin, you have narratives. here you have the to raise her, say no, with banners to secure what we wanted, although the diaspora is talking about an act of humiliation. you have the other sub on the other hand, which says that as long as we manage to secure an agreement that does not talk about the degree and government does not refer to the 2020 election integrate and
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talks about the need to integrate the degree as into the if the up in a military establishment that's a massive political gain for abby i'm it i agree with you. i think it, i think it was for the to grands to give up on the, on the election, which they held, which was frankly at just as accurate and fair as the ethiopian election, which took place later which the was sewed. rigged, the european union refused to send manas to it, but there's one thing that is really important in the agreement with the competence we just signed 2 days ago. it 1st or it recognizes the grey armed combatants, not the t p l f. so it actually begins to say, yes, there are people who are not necessarily party but are the army and those who are the we dealing with. the 2nd point is let me just read you item to see. it says upon disengagement,
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the federal authorities shall assume federal responsibilities in accordance with the constitution for all areas including the resumption of services. if that is the case, then frankly it's not up to the t p l f or anybody else to let the, the 8 in. it's up to the federal authorities. that is what they have signed. business, you can win a war, you can win a conflict, you can manage to use your levers to salvage whatever you can from a political agreement. but don't you think that the biggest challenge facing a man in the near future is to win the hearts and minds of people in to gray after all the atrocities committed against them? yeah, the most important thing is to build trust that was between the 2 parties and between the leader of the federal government and the people at the same time for this conflict. i don't think it is just one party that the response of the crimes being committed by both parties. so therefore if we have to blame,
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we have to blame more of them and it is not easy for, for the federal government. that's where to reasonably sh, reintegrate to grant population into that if the benefits. but the program was not between the people, but it was be between the political leaders and the military engagement, where between the sort of yes. so it's not easy for the most parties and the t p. let us, well, if it's one to still remain at the present tactical, to get people there must be in my kind of them to renew it, is commitment to the people of the region. but at the same time, a position part is in the, in the region also need to do something. ready to engage actively the politics because all parties have bad record, gotta be how anybody promised to the public to rebuild the ticket. you spoke earlier about the arrest we in troops who are fighting along with the army in to
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write. this was a sticking point to the point where the south africa. there was an insistence on avoiding using the term to graham forces and referring instead to following involvement. what does it leave the re and in the future when it comes to dealing with adversary and troops? what so in the, in the, in the agreement find and i will be the bass bass said no, india forces monthly. so they use a very big us language because they couldn't bring themselves to mention average out. they couldn't say eric must need to grab because that would have offended eric challenge because of the domain nearing rolled. the air which i have been having over here is not, not in a position to assert itself over here. whichever is easiest when it comes to our
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chat with greg, i think the, the one, the one that i would say would be to open the say the aircraft should leave to gripe. but if you refuse to grapple, she would be in a position to, to deal with that would be the position of this ground. but one point that beta paragraph guess said if i could mission, all parties have committed crimes degree. that is true. but the crime committed by the event and eric, which is our materially and qualitatively different, even according to the report and the you will have been on the whole sympathetic egypt. but even according to your report that you, people said that you will stop committed crimes against humanity and drug war crimes. whereas nothing of the sort have been committed by to grapple asses. so to say that one parties have committed crimes is wrong that he went to the type and
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degree of crime committed. what kind of point in terms of the regime on gravity, but i think too much water under the bridge. i don't think there's any way that the 2 parties could reconcile. come to our right to one, to one side. i think the only way is how do they go their own ways? i think it to the extent that needs to be a discussion. it's about how should the separation be made in, in a peaceful manner. ok, i don't think there is any opportunity for them to, to reconcile martin or or if we are to talk about how to move forward as far as the agreement is concerned. now let's talk about the mechanisms of monitoring and verification, which are going to be solely under the responsibility of small units under the umbrella of the african union. is it going to work? does it hold any sort of legitimacy, any political weight? i mean, it has legitimacy. the problem is it's so small, it's going to be extremely difficult to see how that,
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how this works. and i think they're going to have to rely a lot on satellite evidence which the united nation certainly has. and i presume is making available to the to both sides so they can see what's going on. but i mean, the point really is not only the removal of the era trends from the, from to great. but if you look at the, the other bishop, the, of the agreement, it says this in this, in this are much of heavy weapons will be done concurrently with the withdrawal of foreign and non ethiopian national defense forces from the region. that would suggest that both air trans, mostly, and the m r and final forces must also leave from western t grade. because if everything's going to be done by the constitution, then west integrate is part of the grade. that's what the constitution says right now. that's what must be required. so how is that going to be achieved? very, very difficult. see how that's done and very difficult to monitor. the sooner are
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we likely to see a prime minister with european saying that it's about time not only to, as you've been talking earlier about the need to set aside those differences and move forward. but to recognize the fact that there's been something terribly wrong over the last 2 years. to address it, we have to say we've made mistakes, and we have to acknowledge that the tick reyes won't accept anything less than something like an autonomy. the need for themselves to own their own fate. regatta, let me start from that point will be i don't think there is that there is also no media clearly presented by the 2 great presenting girls who negotiated the pretoria in nairobi. i swear the most important thing here is how to go for water. that one of the finalists component is mentioned that it was part of crime where to call me to the by, by the federal government, soldiers, etc. but i don't see unless an examination is conducted by an independent body is
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very difficult and destructive to pass judgment. you know, these moments would be, by the way, on that particular just follow for the sake of our viewers v, where the us said that half a 1000000 people were killed in the conflict. the united, the europeans, top 4 in envoy joseph burrell, said that 100000 of people were killed. the united nations backed investigation commission accused all sides of committing abuses, atrocity, but also accused the government in addis ababa of using foundation as a weapon of war. and they also accused the retreating army of committing atrocities against people integrate just for the sake of the record. good. yeah, yeah, thank you very much for, for bringing this to, to attention. the whole point about to me. so that document is that let's go back
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to pre water scenario and lets respect the constitution. so we know what we want to say not awards in terms of geography. so concept, territorial context. so we continue legitimate political part of the considering that it would be the least from the terrorist list and it will start engaging like another particular part. so pre water was, there was no regionally a conductor election because actively in conducting election is only been around monday, according to the constitution. so the whole point is going back before, before what was happened and then re engage in follow my way. so in this we got to bed is not on the me or autonomy has been granted for or reaches the they have autonomy cessation according tonight at the end of the constitution. so if, if the to greg people, one is that they can present, saw her for
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a constituent procedure. and i don't think that's an issue at this point. the issue is trying to re engage and, or integrate the reading. i have other issues to discuss with you, and i appreciate if you can give me some very short answers. if you don't, my name is not with the tickler. do you think it's about time for the tpr itself to be in that in invent itself? because in a way or another, they started with an adventure and it's backfiling on them a massively well, yeah, i mean it's true that the ticket needs a lot o. m. reinvention of both on the self. i think it has to bring this up to modern times. i think it has to be more inclusive integral. i think it has to start working with opposition parties into gray, but in terms of the demands that it has been making when aspire, the war is concerned. i don't think there is anything that the to get it would have done because they are making very simple demands, which is that whatever happens integral, what kind of government gets elected. integrate is entirely up to the people of degree. and the federal regime doesn't have any a,
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any mandate coming to degree and okay. can change and forcing people to, to elect one party or another. not it must reinvent lisa, but not as far as is dealing with your best consent. martin, you would have thought everybody would have thought that the, that the, you and the americans would, with a leverage they have would be, are signatories of the agreement or at least would have a, as a say it, it doesn't seem to be the case living the a you itself, as the soul garment of their whatever happens in the future. is it a good idea or you're, you're absolutely right. i mean the, but then don't forget the un and the in the us, we're not signatories. they witness to what happened not signatory. and really what we need to see now is a place in which to gray can feel itself comfortable and secure with in ethiopia. it's then up to them as the colleague from from adults was putting it to
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use the constitution. if that is what they want to seek separation, if they want it under article 39, but you know, it really needs a lot of goodwill on both sides. okay, why this not going to be sooner? when you look at the very a heart of the agreement, cessation of hostilities was the rate of humanitarian aid re establishment of either or 40 over the t grey and the disarming of the to be left fighters. there is absolutely no way this is going to happen today to model or even the near future. this explains why many people are really cautious about this agreement. is this is some consensus in addis ababa? no, i don't think the narrative is something, does it seem possible is, is not correct, because this is something possible. nobody assume that they would reach such agreement in $67.00 days like recreation. but it happened in the progress is well and in kenya, they also signed that agreement regarding how to implement. so it is possible to
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solve this complex is funny and some of the services, for example, banking guys resumed in some parts, according to government report about 7. so when areas integrate with government control, so the stand by state procedure but then to support the national act that's through the process. it's gonna get to show you, mano martin plow tick leg every michael, i really appreciate you. instead looking forward to talking to you in the future, thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website else's eda dot com for further discussion. cuz our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside, sorry, awful. during the conversation on twitter, and that is at a j insight study for me, passion on brother, and the entire team here in doha bye for now. ah
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