time as well as go into games in world history. so is that it is something is not good. yes, i would like to think that we go into the my game to win it. it seems, australia we got the biggest tradition, we know the spectral search terms of football. hopefully the advance game won't play big part in terms of where we are to to get a 2nd round. i've you said that i've always believed that it is your fancy, big rivalry that we've got a big, huge community in france. we are a french colony since 1956. there were still domini, by the french. and i think when you play against frances unity plays and the twins in public, they responds really well to play and guess wants to him. and i would not response for going be front, not at all, every manager in the world want to come to madison english need. mosley to lead was champ, is she primarily it's, you know, we have spanish managers. we have to measure, we have extra february plays manage on this level and a lot. so it's difficult to manage it to get a job in the school to as

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implementing a peace deal. the philippine government and to grow rebels applies to allow humanitarian a deliveries into the war tone region that will the truce hold and his peace in northern ethiopia possible. this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hashem alcala, if the us government and rebels have agreed to allow immediate humanitarian access to te, gray, and other regions in the north. the pledge signed in nairobi is the latest step towards ending 2 years of conflict. it follows last week's tours on implementing a peace deal inked at the beginning of november. northern africa is in the grip of a severe humanitarian crisis. the un estimates, 13000000 people in the to gray are far and am harlow regions urgently require food

aid. the war has killed tens of thousands of people and forced millions from their homes. a, a, a, a, a, b, a, b, a, b one with a 4 b and b to b. ready 4 b, fully dedicated to implement a. ready and the take away people's liberation front

dominated european politics for 2 decades until abbey. and that came to power in 2018. in november 2020. the prime minister ordered a military operation against the group. accusing it of attacking military base is something that to be a laugh, denied. the rebels retaliated and the fighting intensified spreading into the neighboring a fall. and i'm how to regions are wet, free, and troops were also involved backing. if european soldiers, several truces and temporary cease fires were declared and collapsed during the nearly 2 years of conflict. the un amnesty international and humor weiss watched have accused both parties of atrocities and possible war crimes. ah, let's begin our guests in stockholm is tick. les gabrey, michael associate, editor of to got a platform that documents the war integrate in london,

martin plowed senior research fellow, other institute of commonwealth studies and in birmingham is busy, and i get that you, your men are teaching feller the university of birmingham. welcome to the program. to clay vera occupations and counter accusations and both parties, the to gray, to gray as and the government about the acts is that has been granted to the humanitarian trucks into to gray. it doesn't seem to be happening according to that degree ins. well, so, so, but what we know is that the, the, the to grands were in very, very uncertain terms told in south africa that they didn't sign the deal. he monitor and aid would be continued to be with her as it has, as it had been for the past 2 years. essentially, that he had been regime and a return regime joined hands and used starvation as the, as a, as you, as

a women of war. and that was, had against them against it to grow representatives in south africa. so the reason now we have time to learn, they were forced to, to sign the deal was because they were told by the observers by the facilitators of the a you and the americans. but if they didn't sign the, the didn't, starvation would continue to be used as a weapon of war. so that's what happened. oh, and they signed because they wanted a to get in to starving people. people are dying from starvation from multiple reports. we have been able to understand that there is immense suffering integrate . but even though they, they signed under that enormous pressure, we know that aid hasn't got into to gripe until to day. so nothing has changed in terms of actually aid and get into the grad, even though the very reason that the gray representative signed the deal. but his otherwise extremely unfavorable to, to grey, was to make sure the aid got into to grandma is extraordinary. that the a,

you and the americans and the other people who facilitated that the diva would, would, would really use the v withholding of aid as a bargaining chip. so, so that's where we are. okay. martin, they, it seems that the idea of starting with the humanitarian aspect of the agreement is to build trust and confidence between the 2 boring size but after 2 years of located on starvation, the w. h o chief is saying that many people are dying from treatable diseases and many are dying from starvation. is this an indication that the agreement itself remains fragile? well, i think until the aid actually begins to flow and we have no indication yet that it is flowing then certainly it will remain fragile because as, as tech is just made clear, this is one of the main reasons that the 2 grand signed. but we have to see some

kind of proof and that's why it's important that not only the aid goes in, but we should have some independent journalist going in as well. who can then report from the ground and say this is what is happening? because in a why is it that on one hand to get a sense from this above other, they have made major gains in the agreement. but at the same time, they seem to be extremely cautious. careful when it comes to channeling aid and allowing aid in to take away what is happening. i think both parties have gained a lot from signing the 15. the water has been devised 15000000 people who are starting because of the conflict. and this conflict should get solutions in one way or the other. they finally resolve the issue piece one, which is a huge achievement in the continent by just looking at the deal. even

if you know that it's implementation is crucial. but on the other side, in terms of anybody want to be looked at, that started throwing to the region, how they are still under the t p. let's go on in the south. me and demobilization integration not be completed. the 2 girls military leader signed the detailed procedure of disarming and integration only 2 days ago. and i think it is very out of me to, to evaluate the amount of low paid. but we, we need to also remember that there are a lot of issues and convincing each mia, sorry, go send that, passing down the coma and need some time even from the t p. let's considering that data feeling that the deal was bought from their perspective. this may need some days to convince ok one of the negotiate or get that right the only bob too much to day. and i think it's to me to, to flag about. there is a problem or,

but the deal has not daily but anything. hopefully they need to work a lot in order to deliver. now what doug, we my nice ticket to play. the ta. graham's had a set of conditions in the past about starting political talks with this about this, they seem to have decided to abandon most of those demands for the sake of having aid trickling into their own areas. is, does it really explain the fact that they took away as were willing to go for those massive, massive setbacks when it comes to signing this agreement? just for the sake of him in humanitarian catastrophe on the ground. what i don't think they have abandoned their demand. i said, i think what happened is when they went to south africa, they found out that the cards were stacked against them because they were told that whatever deed was offered to them, they had to sign. because if they didn't,

aid wouldn't get in. so they were not in a position to demand the other political. the other political questions that they had before they had to sign in the faint hope that some aid would circle in to, to, to graduate. and what they did at what i think, and we don't really know because they haven't been really speaking opened about for why they signed the deal. but i think what happened is that they put the other questions in the back burner. and the sign in the hope that some, some a would get it. so that seems to be the thinking on the part of the to grounds delicate delegate. but i don't think they have a abundant that demands because they haven't basic want that the month base said that the tick to grands to categorize holborn territorial integrity must be respected, wants that she must be respected. perpetrators of crimes must be held to account. so they are basic ones that demand, i don't think they would be in a position to drop them up if i could just at one point, early job, the ip address to the point that they tape and recruit um a guest raised the,

a senior government official with yesterday, co to line, he said that aid was blowing to the gray, but immediately humanitarian workers in india passing that that was actually categorically a lie because they have been bad and they still continue to be banned from delivering aid. so be that the, i the claim, the eighty's getting to, to great is a complete categorical ally. and this is that something that he monitor and workers have been repeating the same a point they will share in the caution of we were talking talk and you get to actually go to kind of the great thought, i'll promise i'll get back to you when we talk about it later, the program about a retro martin, you have narratives. here you have the to raise her, say no with buyers to secure what we wanted, although the diaspora is talking about an act of humiliation. you have the other sub on the other hand, which says that as long as we manage to secure an agreement that does not talk about the degree and government does not refer to the 2020 election integrate and

talks about the need to integrate the degree as into the if the up in a military establishment that's a massive political gain for r b. i mean, i agree with you. i think it, i think it was for the to grands to get up on the, on the election, which they held, which was frankly at just as accurate and fair as the ethiopian election, which took place later which the was sewed. rigged, the european union refused to send manas to it, but there's one thing that is really important in the agreement with the competence we just signed 2 days ago. it 1st or it recognizes the gray armed competence, not the t p l f. so it actually begins to say, yes, there are people who are not necessarily party but are the army and those who are the we dealing with. the 2nd point is let me just read you item to see. it says upon disengagement,

the federal authorities shall assume federal responsibilities in accordance with the constitution for all areas including the resumption of services. if that is the case, then frankly is not up to the t p l f, or anybody else to let the, the 8 in. it's up to the federal authorities. that is what they have signed. business, you can win a war, you can win a conflict who can manage to use your levers to salvage whatever you can from a political agreement. but don't you think that the biggest challenge facing or be made in the near future is to win the hearts and minds of people into gray after all the atrocities committed against them? yeah, the most important thing is to build trust that was between the 2 parties and it in the leader of the federal government and the people at the same time or the conflict. i don't think it is just one party that you are responsible. the crimes being committed by both parties. so therefore if we have to blame,

we have to blame more of them and it is not easy for, for the federal government that's went to reasonably sh, reintegrate to grand population into that in the benefit. but the program was not between the people, but it was a bit between the political leaders and the military engagement where between the sort of yes. so it's not easy for the most parties and the t p. let us, well, if it's one to still remain at the present tactical, to get people, there must be mccarthyism to renew it. is commitment to the people of the region. but at the same time, a position is in the, in the region. also need to do something to engage actively the politics because all parties have bod record. we got to be anybody from says to the public to rebuild. to can you spoke about the arrest? we in the troops who are fighting along with the army in t. right?

this was a sticking point to the point where the south africa there was an insistence on avoiding using the term to graham forces and referring instead to following involvement. what does it leave the re and in the future when it comes to dealing with adversary and troops? what so in the, in the, in the agreement find and i will be the base they say non in the forces monthly. so they use a very big us language because they couldn't bring themselves to mention eric out. and they couldn't say eric must need to grab because that would have offended eric challenge because of the domain nearing the air which i have been having over here . it's not, not in a position to assert itself over which i thought it bits of that when it comes to

our chat with greg, i think the, the one the one doesn't go out would say would be to open the say the aircraft should lead to gripe but if he used to grapple, she would be in a position to deal with eric along that would be the position of mr. grant. but one point, the beta paragraph guess said if i could mission all parties have committed crimes degree. that is true. but the crime committed by the event and eric and pauses are materially and politically different, even according to the report and the you will have been on the whole sympathetic egypt. but even according to your report that you, people said that eric will stop committed crimes against humanity and drug war crimes. whereas nothing has been committed by to grapple is just so to say that one parties have committed crimes is wrong that he went to the type and degree of crime

committed. what kind of point in terms of the regime on better gravity. but i think too much water under the bridge. i don't think there's any way that the 2 parties could reconcile. come to all right, to one to one side. i think the only way is how do they go their own way? i think it to the extent that needs to be a discussion, it's about how should the separation be made in, in a peaceful manner. ok, i don't think there is an opportunity for them to, to reconcile martin up. or if we are to talk about how to move forward as far as the agreement is concerned. now let's talk about the mechanisms of monitoring and verification, which are going to be solely under the responsibility of a small units under the umbrella of the african union. is it gonna work? does it hold any sort of legitimacy, any political weight? i mean, it has legitimacy. the problem is it's so small, it's going to be extremely difficult to see how that,

how this works. and i think they're going to have to rely a lot on satellite evidence which the united nation certainly has. and i presume is making available to the to both sides so they can see what's going on. but i mean, the point really is not only the removal of the era trans from the, from to great. but if you look at the, the other bishop, the, of the agreement, it says this in this, in this argument of heavy weapons will be done concurrently with the withdrawal of foreign and non ethiopian national defense forces from the region. that would suggest that both air trans, mostly, and the m r and final forces must also lead from western t grade. because if everything's going to be done by the constitution, then west integrate is part of the grade. that's what the constitution says right now. that's what must be required. so how is that going to be achieved? very, very difficult. see how that's done,

very difficult to monitor. or are we likely to see a prime minister with your peers saying that it's about time not only to, as you've been talking earlier about the need to set aside those differences and move forward. but to recognize the fact that there's something terribly wrong over the last 2 years. to address it, we have to say we've made mistakes and we have to acknowledge that the tick ray is, won't accept anything less than something like an autonomy. the need for themselves to own their own fate. i got to let me start from the point of view. i don't think there is that there is also no media clearly presented by the 2 great, a presenting girl who negotiated the pretoria in nairobi. i swear the most important thing here is how to go for water. that one of the finalists component is mentioned that it was part of crime where to call me by, by the federal government, so etc. but i don't see unless an examination is conducted by an independent body

is very difficult and destructive to pass judgment. you know this, my name would be, by the way. and that particular, just for our, for the sake of our viewers v, where the us said that half a 1000000 people were killed in the conflict, the united, the europeans, top foreign. and boy, joseph burrell, said that 100000 people were killed. the united nations back the investigation commission accused all sides of committing abuses, atrocity, but also accused the government in addis ababa of using foundation as a weapon of war. and they also accused the retreating army of committing atrocities against people in takeaway, just for the sake of the record. good. yeah, yeah, thank you very much for, for bringing this to, to attention. the whole point about to me. so that document is that let's go back

to pre water scenario and lets respect the constitution. so we know what we want to say not awards in terms of jo wrap the content area context. so we continue legitimate political part of the considering that it would be the least from the terrorist list, and it will start engaging like another political party. so pre water was, there was no originally a conductor election because actively in conducting election is only been run monday according to the constitution. so the whole point is going back before, before what was happened and then re engage in a part of my way. so in this we got to bed is not on the me all autonomy has been granted for all ridges. i think new york, they have to be up to a cessation tonight at the end of the constitution. so if, if the t great people want is that they can present through her for

a constituent procedure. and i don't think that's an issue at this point. the issue is trying to re engage and, or integrate that. the reason i have other issues to discuss with you and i appreciate if you can give me some visuals, answers if you don't buy them, is not with a tickler. do you think it's about time for the typical itself to be in that in invent itself because in a way or another, they started with an adventure and it's backfiring on them and massively. what yeah, i mean it's true that the ticket, it needs a lot o. reinvention of bought on itself. i think it has to bring this up to modern times . i think it has to be more inclusive integrate. i think it has to start working with opposition. parties integrate, but in terms of the demands that it has been making when aspire, the war is concerned. i don't think there is anything that the to get it would have done because they are making very simple demands. which is that what ever happens integrate? what kind of government gets elected into gray is entirely up to the people of the gray. and the federal regime doesn't have any a,

any mandate coming to degree and okay, can change and forcing people to, to elect one party or another. not it must reinvent lisa, but not as far as is dealing with the care bears consent. martin, you would have thought, or everybody would have thought that the, that the e and the americans would, with a level as they have would be a 2nd or 3rd of the agreement or at least would have a, as a say it, it doesn't seem to be the case leaving the a you itself as the soul garment out of there, whatever happens in the future. is it a good idea or you're, you're absolutely right. i mean the, but then don't forget the un and the, in the us, we're not signatories. they witness to what happened, no, not signatory. and really what we need to see now is a place in which to grey can feel itself comfortable and secure with in ethiopia. it's then up to them as the colleague from adis was putting it to use the

constitution. if that is what they want to seek separation, if they want it under article 39, but you know, it really needs a lot of goodwill on both sides. okay, why is not gonna be sooner? when you look at the very heart of the agreements, the session of hostilities was the rate of humanitarian aid re establishment of authority over the tea gray and the disarming of the to be left fighters. there is absolutely no way this is going to happen today to model or even in the near future . this explains why many people are really cautious about this agreement. is this is some consensus in addis ababa? i don't the narrative this something does it seem possible? it is not correct because it is something possible. nobody assume that they would reach that agreement in $67.00 days like recreation. but it happened in the progress is well and in kenya, they also signed an agreement regarding how to implement. so it is possible to

solve this complex is funny and some of the services, for example, banking guys, resume in some parts according to government report about 7. so when areas integrate with government control, so the stand by state procedure, but then the support, the national act that's through the process isn't together. sure. your mono martin plow, tick legged re, michael. i really appreciate you. instead, looking forward to talking to you in the future. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. cuz our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story can offer during the conversation to wet out. and that is at ha, inside story for me. passion, our brother, and the entire team here in doha bye. for now. as the world faces a storm of global challenges, indonesia is set to host the most difficult g 20 summit since its inception with

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