got the 2nd round, so 1st time is 16 attempts that make sense? i know just i don't think we were a gay for a long time as well. i think we want to games in world history, so it's definitely something is not good enough. i would like to think that we go to the mark gave to, when it saves australia, we got bigger for this, you know, the spectral search terms of football. hopefully the fans game won't play big part in terms of where we are to to get the 2nd round. of you said that i've always believed that if you lose your fancy be griver, that we got a big, huge community france. we are a french colony since 1956, or we're still dominate by the french. and i think when you play against france refusing plays, and the twins in public, very response really well to play and guess wants to. and i would not response for going be front, not at all, every manager in the world, one a commercial english need vastly too big was championship premier lee. it's, you know, we have spanish managers. we have to make sure we have extraordinary play as

managed at this level it will be locked, so it's difficult to manage to get a job in the school to as a manager because english all my football. but i knew the how to excel. obviously i'll be busy working, you go, i'm gonna make sure that i tell trading times for the times went to the play to make sure i'm watching it. i'd love to get there to watch them live, but i'm not in position. i've got a job in my hand right now trying to get results. we'd like to to bill for the future for the super clock. but we'll be all watching with exciting to watch. couple, few 40 ah, this is al jazeera, these, your top stories. the democratic republic of congo is military, as fighting with rebels as may closer to the eastern city of gamer, hundreds of new crates, the area have been sent for training to help these forces. welcome, what has more firm capacity village, nick?

i'm just a few kilometers to north where we are, the fighting is going on at the town of kilburn. it's been there for the last couple of days. initially, the congolese government forces ad repelled and attacked by m $23.00, which is widely understood to be a proxy of rwanda or congolese military sources. so they're fighting rwandan soldiers and some say that you gander is supporting them as well. they're both countries deny it. are the fighting's been there and to the north of there, we've just heard this morning that the fighting is in columbia town. the russian foreign minister accused ukraine of dragging out any possible resolution. speaking of the g 20 summit in barley, se gay lover of alleged ukraine had put forward unrealistic conditions for peace. earlier e crane's president told well, leaders to press russia to m, what he called it aggressive war. in the occupied westbank, israeli forced to say 3 israelis have been killed in an attack. palestinian man accused. if the attack has been shot dead,

it happened near the illegal israeli settlement of area. the global population is now 8000000000 people am counting. it took less than 12 years to add that last 1000000000 people are living longer and healthier lives, adding to the overall number which the republican party, the u. s. is on the cusp of taking control of the house of representatives. secured 217 seats and is now only one seat away from flipping a chamber. and counting is still underway in some regions. okay, those the headlights, it's i story coming up next. ah . it's an agreement aimed at implementing these deals. if european government and to

grow rebels applies to allow humanitarian a deliveries into the water region, but will the truce hold and his peace in northern if you're possible, this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm hash and i had bala if your p s. government and rebels have agreed to allow immediate humanitarian access to te, gray and other regions in the north. the pledge signed in nairobi is the latest step towards ending 2 years of conflict. it follows last week's tours on implementing a big deal inked at the beginning of november. northern africa is in the grip of a severe humanitarian crisis. the un estimates, 13000000 people in the to gray are far and amar regions urgently require food aid.

the war has killed tens of thousands of people and forced millions from their homes . a, a, a, a, a, b, a, b, and b, a, b one with 4, b and b, 2 b. therefore, we fully dedicate to in the agreement and collaboration that take away people's liberation front dominated

european politics for 2 decades until abby bohannon came to power in 2018 in november 2020. the prime minister ordered a military operation against the group, accusing it of attacking military base is something that he p a laugh denied. the rebels retaliated and the fighting intensified spreading into the neighboring a fall. and i'm how to regions. i read 3 and troops were also involved backing if european soldiers, several truces and temporary cease fires were declared and collapsed during the nearly 2 years of conflict. the un amnesty international and humor weiss watched have accused both parties of atrocities and possible war crimes. ah, listening and our guests in stockholm is tick. les gabrey, michael, associate, editor of to got a platform that documents for war in to grey. in london,

martin plowed senior research fellow, other institute of commonwealth studies and in birmingham is bizarre. now that you, your men are teaching feller the university of birmingham welcome to the program. to clay vera occupations and counter accusations on both parties, the to gray, to gray as and the government about the acts as the has been granted to the humanitarian trucks into the gray. it doesn't seem to be happening according to that to ryan's well so, so, but what we know is that the, the, the to grands were in very, very uncertain terms told in south africa that they didn't sign the deal. he monitor and aid would be continued to be with her as it had been for the past 2 years, essentially that he had been regime and they returned regime joined hands and used starvation as the, as a, as you, as

a women of war. and that was had against them against it, to grow representatives in south africa. so the reason now we have time to learn, they were forced to, to sign the deal was because they were told by the observers by the facilitators, a, you and the americans. but if they didn't sign the, the didn't, starvation would continue to be used as a weapon of war. so that's what happened. oh, and the signed because they wanted a to get in to starving. people are dying from flat vision, from multiple reports that we have been able to understand that there is immense suffering integrate. but even though they, they signed under that enormous pressure, we know that aid hasn't got into to gripe and to, to day. so nothing has changed in terms of actually aid and get into the grad, even though the very reason that the gray representative signed the deal but is otherwise extremely unfavorable to, to grey was to make sure that aid got into to grandma is extraordinary. that the a,

you and the americans and the other people who facilitated that the diva would, would, would really use the v withholding of aid as a bargaining chip. so, so that's where we are. okay. martin, they, it seems that the idea of starting with the humanitarian aspect of the agreement is to build trust and confidence between the 2 warring size but after 2 years of located on salvation. the w h o chief is saying that many people are dying from treatable diseases and many are dying from starvation. is this an indication that the agreement itself remains fragile? well, i think until the aid actually begins to flow and we have no indication yet that it is flowing then certainly it will remain fragile because as, as tech is just made clear, this is one of the main reasons that the 2 grand signed. but we have to see some

kind of proof and that's why it's important that not only the 8 goes in, but we should have some independent journalist going in as well. who can then report from the ground and say this is what is happening. because in a why is it that on one hand to get a sense from this above other, they have made major gains in the agreement. but at the same time, they seem to be extremely cautious. careful when it comes to channeling aid and allowing aid in to take away what is happening. i think both parties have gained a lot from signing the 15 and the water has been devised 15000000 people were starting because of the conflict. and this conflict should get solutions in one way or the other. they finally agreed to resolve the issue piece one, which is a huge achievement in the continent by just looking at the deal. even

if you know that it's implementation is crucial. but on the other side, in terms of anybody want to be booked at that age, started throwing to the region, how they are still under the t p. let's go on in the south. me and demobilization integration not be completed. the 2 girls military leader signed the detailed procedure of disarming and integration only 2 days ago. and i think it is very out of me to, to evaluate the amount of the flow paid. but we, we need to also remember that there are a lot of issues and convincing each mia, sorry, go send that, passing down the coma and need some time from the t p. let's considering that data feeling that the deal was bought from their perspective. this may need some days to convince ok one of the negotiate or get that to read the only 52 mckelly today. and i think it's to me to, to flag about. there is a problem or,

but the deal has not daily but anything. hopefully they need to work a lot in order to deliver. now what doug, we my nice ticket to play. the to gray is how to set of conditions in the past about starting political talks with this about this they seem to have decided to abandon most of those demands for the sake of having aid trickling into their own areas is does it really explain the fact that the re, as were willing to go for those massive, massive setbacks when it comes to signing this agreement. just for the sake of him in humanitarian catastrophe on the ground. well, i don't think they have abandoned their demand. i said, i think what happened is when they went to south africa, they found out that the cards were stacked against them because they were told that whatever the deed was offered to them, they had to sign. because if they didn't,

aid wouldn't get in. so they were not in a position to demand the other political, the other political questions that they had before they had to sign in the faint hope that some aid would circle in to, to, to grab it. and what they did at what i think. and we don't really know because they haven't been really speaking opened about why they signed the deal. but i think what happened is that they put the other questions in the back burner. and the sign in the hope that some, some a would get it. so that seems to be the thinking on the part of the to grounds delicate delegate. but i don't think they have a abundant that demands because they haven't basic wanted the month base say that the took to grands to categorize holborn territorial integrity must be respected, wants that she must be respected. perpetrators of crimes must be held to account. so they are basic ones that demand, i don't think they would be in a position to draw them up if i could just at one point early job the it. yep. and

to the point that the tip and rigor guest raised the, a senior government official with yesterday, bob co to lie. and he said that aid was blowing to to great. but immediately humanitarian workers in india say that that was actually categorically a lie because they have been bad and they still continue to be banned from delivering aid. so be that the i the claim, the eighty's getting to, to great is a complete categorical ally. and this is that something that he monitor and workers have been repeated the say, oh point. they will share the caution of it. we were talking talk and you get to actually get to play off the great thought, i'll promise i'll get back to you when we talk about it later. the program about a retro martin, you have narratives. here you have the to raise her say no. with banners to secure what we wanted, although the diaspora is talking about an act of humiliation. you have the other sub on the other hand, which says that as long as we manage to secure an agreement that does not talk about the degree and government does not refer to the 2020 election integrate and

talks about the need to integrate the degree as into the if the up in a military establishment that's a massive political gain for abby i'm it i agree with you. i think it, i think it was for the to grands to give up on the, on the election, which they are held, which was frankly, at just as accurate and fair as the ethiopian election, which took place later which the was sewed. rigged, the european union refused to send manas to it, but there's one thing that is really important in the agreement with the competence we just signed 2 days ago. it 1st or it recognizes the grey armed combatants, not the t p l f. so it actually begins to say, yes, there are people who are not necessarily party but are the army and those who are the we dealing with. the 2nd point is let me just read you item to see. it says upon disengagement,

the federal authorities shall assume federal responsibilities in accordance with the constitution for all areas including the resumption of services. if that is the case, then frankly it's not up to the t p l f or anybody else to let the, the 8 in. it's up to the federal authorities. that is what they have signed. business, you can win a war, you can win a conflict to can manage your levers to salvage whatever you can from a political agreement. but don't you think that the biggest challenge facing a man in the near future is to win the hearts and minds of people in to gray after all the atrocities committed against them? yeah, the most important thing is to build trust that was between the 2 parties and between the leader of the federal government and the people at the same time for the conflict. i don't think it is just one party that you are responsible. the crimes being committed by both parties. so therefore if we have to blame,

we have to blame more of them and it is not easy for, for the federal government. that's where to reasonably sh, reintegrate to grand population into that if the benefits. but the program was not between the people, but it was a bit between the political leaders and the military engagement where between the sort of yes. so it's not easy for the most parties and the t p. and let us, well, if it's one to still remain at the present tactical, to get people there must be in my kind of them to renew it. is commitment to the people of the region. but at the same time, position part is in the, in the region also need to do something. ready to engage actively the politics because all parties have bad record. gotta be how anybody promised to the public to rebuild. to tell you, spoke earlier about the recipe and troops who are fighting along with the army in

to write. this was a sticking point to the point where the south africa there was an insistence on avoiding using the term to graham forces and referring instead to following involvement. what does it leave the re and in the future when it comes to dealing with adversary and troops? well, so in the, in the, in the agreements find in nairobi and said from the base base, say that non he and the forces muslim and the region. so they use a very ambiguous language because they couldn't bring themselves to mention erica, and they couldn't say, erica, muslim and to grab because that would have offended eric sham and because of the domain nearing grove, erica has been having over ethiopia is not, not in a position to assert itself over eric ethel, they're in a bit of

a particular ethiopia, when it comes to erica. but we're not the flute to grow. i think the, the one, the one that grounds would say would be a bell to open to say that erica should leave to gripe on that. if it's refused that to grab horses would be in a position to, to deal with erica long. that would be the position of the to grounds, but one point that they did, barbara and guest said if i could mission pesa, all parties have committed crimes degree that is true. but the crimes committed by the hip and eric enforced our materially and qualitatively different, even according to the your report and the u. s. has been on the horn, sympathetic detail. but even according to your report that you report says that you keep an error tempo suck, committed crimes against humanity and a true war crimes. whereas nothing of the sort have been committed by to ground forces. so to say that one parties are committed crimes is wrong. there's a, he's different to the type and degree of crimes committed. what kind of point in

terms of the abbey regime on the, to grand people, i think too much water has passed under the bridge. i don't think there is any way that the 2 parties could reconcile and are come to all right, to one to one site. i think the only way is how do they go their own ways? i think it to the extent that needs to be a discussion is above how should the separation be made in, in a peaceful manner. ok, i don't think there is an opportunity for them to, to reconcile martin on it. or if we are to talk about how to move forward as far as the agreement is concerned. now let's talk about the mechanisms of monitoring and verification, which are going to be solely under the responsibility of a small units under the umbrella of the african union. is it going to work? does it hold any sort of legitimacy, any political weight? i mean, it has legitimacy. the problem is it's so small, it's going to be extremely difficult to see how that,

how this works. and i think they're going to have to rely a lot on satellite evidence which the united nation certainly has. and i presume is making available to the to both sides so they can see what's going on. but i mean, the point really is not only the removal of the era trans from the, from to great. but if you look at the, the other bishop, the, of the agreement, it says this in this, in this argument of heavy weapons will be done concurrently with the withdrawal of foreign and non ethiopian national defense forces from the region. that would suggest that both air trans, mostly, and the m r and final forces must also leave from western t grade. because if everything's going to be done by the constitution, then west integrate is part of the grade. that's what the constitution says right now. that's what must be required. so how is that going to be achieved? very, very difficult. see how that's done,

very difficult to monitor. or are we likely to see a prime minister with european saying that it's about time not only to, as you've been talking earlier about the need to set aside those differences and move forward. but to recognize the fact that there's been something terribly wrong over the last 2 years. to address it, we have to say we've made mistakes, and we have to acknowledge that the tick reyes won't accept anything less than something like an autonomy. the need for themselves to own their own fate. regatta, let me start from the point of the i don't think there is that there is also no media clearly presented by the to greater than team girl who negotiated the pretoria in nairobi. i swear the most important thing here is how to go for water. that's one of the finalists component as mentioned that it was part of crime where to call me to the by, by the federal government, soldiers, etc. but i don't,

i'm not broke. an examination is, is conducted by an independent body is very difficult and destructive to pass judgment. you know this, my name would be, by the way, on that particular just for our, for the sake of our viewers v, where the us said that half a 1000000 people were killed in the conflict, the united, the europeans, top foreign. and boy, joseph burrell said that 100000 of people were killed. the united nations back the investigation commission accused all sides of committing abuses, atrocity, but also accused the government in addis ababa of using foundation as a weapon of war. and they also accused the retreating army of committing atrocities against people integrate just for the sake of the record. good. yeah. yeah, thank you very much for, for bringing this to, to attention. the whole point about to me. so that document is that miss. go back

to pre water scenario and lets respect the constitution. so we know what you want to say 90 awards in terms of geography, that concept territorial context. so we continue legitimate political part of the considering that it would be the least and from terrorist list. and it will start to be like another political party. so pre water scenario was there was no regionally a conductor election because actively in conducting election is only been run monday according to the constitution. so the whole point is going back before, before what was happened and then re engage in follow my way. so in this we got to that is not on the me or autonomy has been granted for all regions. i think that they have autonomy cessation according to nights at the end of the constitution. so if, if the to greg people, one does that they can present, saw her foreign constitutional procedure. and i don't think that's an issue at this

point. the issue is trying to re engage and or integrate the reading. i have other issues to discuss with you and i appreciate if you can give you some very short answers. if you don't buy them, is not with a tickler. do you think it's about time for the tpr itself to be in that in invent itself because in a way or another, they started with an adventure and it's backfiling on them a massively well, yes, i mean it's true that the to kill, it needs a lot o m reinvention of both on the self. i think it has to bring yourself to modern times. i think it has to be more inclusive integrate. i think it has to start working with opposition. parties integrate, but in terms of the demands that it has been making when aspire, the war is concerned. i don't think there is anything that the to get it would have done because they are making very simple demands. which is that whatever happens integral, what kind of government gets elected, integrate is entirely up to the people of the gray. and the federal regime doesn't

have any a, any mandate coming to, to gray. and okay, can change and forcing people to, to elect one party or another. no, it must reinvent lisa, but not as far as is dealing with the care bears concern. martin, you would have thought everybody would have thought that the, you know, the, you and the americans would, with a leverage, they have would be a 2nd or 3rd of the agreement or at least would have a, as a say, it doesn't seem to be the case leaving the a you itself as the soul garment out of there. whatever happens in the future. is it a good idea or you're, you're absolutely right. i mean the, but then don't forget the un and the, in the us, we're not signatories. they witness to what happened, no, not signatory. and really what we need to see now is a place in which to grey can feel itself comfortable and secure with in ethiopia. it's then up to them as the a colleague from adis was putting it to use the constitution. if that is what they

want to seek separation, if they want it under article 39, but you know, it really needs a lot of goodwill on both sides. okay. why is not gonna be sooner when you look at the very a heart of the agreements, the session of hostilities was the rate of humanitarian aid re establishment of either or 40 over the t grey and the disarming of the to be left fighters. there is absolutely no way this is going to happen today to model or even in the near future . this explains why many people are really cautious about this agreement. is this is some consensus in addis ababa? i don't the narrative this something does it seem possible? it is not correct because it is something possible. nobody assume that they would reach that agreement in $67.00 days like recreation, but it happened in the progress is well and in kenya, they also signed that agreement regarding how to implement. so it is possible to

solve this complex is funny and some of the services, for example, banking guys, resume in some parts according to government report about 7. so when areas integrate with government control, so the stand by state procedure, but then the support, the national act that's through short support. the process is going to get the show your mono martin plow, tick leg of re michael. i really appreciate you. instead, looking forward to talking to you in the future. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion with our facebook page. thus facebook dot com forward slash ha, inside, sorry, awful. during the conversation wet out and that is at a j inside study for me. hash him umbrella and the entire team here in doha bye for now. mm. ah

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