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thousands of people in eastern democratic republic of congo have been forced to flee their homes as government forces battle the resurgent m. 23 militia. now as the rebels draw closer to the major city of goma, we look at how civilians are coping and ask what it will take to bring the fighting to an end. ah, joining us for today's conversation, reagan, missouri is an activist with lucia, a youth based civil society movement. he joins us from gama, also, and gama. we have malcolm webb, he's a senior al jazeera correspondent and completing our line up from go. my grant laity is unicef representative. indeed, congo, thank you so much for joining us on all 3 of you. and remember, you can always send us your comments or questions here on youtube, and i'll be sure to put them to our desk directly. so let's start with a little bit of basic background to this conflict. m. $23.00 or the march 23rd movement is a mostly congolese tootsie militia. now, in 2012,
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it briefly seized goma, the capital of north keybo province. and in 2013 the government and m 23 reached a peace deal, but in late 2021 and 23 resumed fighting, saying that the government had not kept its promises. as am 23 leads a new offensive now in north kiva, the congolese government says neighboring gro, wanda, is giving support to the rebels. the government in kigali denies any involvement. now, with those facts in mind, i want to just start by kind of addressing to why, why is this happening, malcolm? if you had to kind of boil it down, why are we seeing this renewed violence? well, it's not just common government that accuses wanda, enrolled him and i mean you and investigators leak to report. earlier this year we seen photographs of robot rwandan soldiers with $23.00 even videos. we proceed with the release from antarctic 3 show that fighters wearing rwandan equipment equipment
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and now it doesn't come through and it does deny it and we're waiting to get them. they'd like to reply and include that denial. but it doesn't surprise anyone in this region. java, another iteration of was widely to believe to be over one then backed on rebellion and $23.00 rebelled against economies government 10 years ago with rwandan support . before that came c n d p in 2008, 2009. at the job history in the, in the 990, were wondering you got the invaded in 96. following the one, the genocide that had been accused of repeatedly entering with the military's meddling and of lifting mineral since then. so not sentence a kind of repetition of this. why is it happening now? yeah, i mean, a year ago, congos army, congress government let in. you got the army, you know, given to the province austin, to believe,
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to fly and call the adf at the time. relations were not good between you gander wanda, and i wonder, objected to his rival being given access to eastern congo where it's made money in the past. and so what was the point when we started seeing and $23.00 active again, which a lot of people understand to be under setting itself militarily, anything con day? sure, ever since the relations between those 2 countries have improved, and it was widely seen as a sort of a weak moment for the congo, leads the government and the congress forces with relations, particularly poor, the un peacekeepers a here. yeah. and i probably many people it's, it's an open door a month or unity to, to come in again. and then they bring country and you know, when we talk about the neighboring countries, i want to kind of broaden this out for a 2nd. for those who are not familiar, and i appreciate that context to begin with reagan when we look at the civilian
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toil, i mean the displacement of civilians and also just to detect you know, the conditions that are deteriorating so rapidly. what is a major concern to you and what looks different perhaps this time? reagan? yes, that's the major concern. it's about the shelter for people who move from that place. his work been obliged to move from that villages but sort of saw the need for they need the what are they need and sensation. there is a lot of needs and so far as mentality and response as being a school. busy slow, right, and i had a mom and i see, sorry, i don't want to interject, but when we talk about the humanitarian response, i know you're particularly focused on children grant. we have a video common in fact, or i should say, this is from the you and hcr is joel smith. that raises this point, take
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a listen to what he had to say. but he seems high. this placement is forced to flee the cautious including warning resumes, territory, sheltering 23000 people who is and she has to flee overnight until. ready so she has gotten to regina and the outskirts is going from any, this isn't the 1st time this should come from violence. we're seeing families driven to pause many years for us arrives and younger is she new, unaccompanied children have already lived through trauma confluence. so grand children being abducted, we've heard, you know, either killed, maimed or even, you know, so far as so much sex or violence reported what, what concerns you most here. well, thank you. that just to, to 1st of all, put a few numbers that you mentioned tens of thousands but,
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but actually since the, the, the, the escalation from the 20th of october its estimated the new 188000. i'm bringing the total to since the beginning of march this year when things started to reactivate, right? as messy was mentioning up to about $240000.00 overall. so in terms of displace people, a 150000 of those in round numbers have arrived just north of goodman and then you know, gone, go area. can you change this? let's think of about 25000 households. so as, as reagan was mentioning, the immediate concerns or water sanitation on that, i just want to add, this is a zone that is well, cholera. we have done about a 160 interventions in just the last week on the caller alerts,
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shelter is a major problem. some people are sleeping literally on and this, this is an error with like lava, you know, from previous volcanic eruptions and having, we've seen mothers, you know, have the, the babies lying on top of them and then a small piece of plastic. yeah. just, you know, when we say shelter, we need to be clear, really setting right on the child's protection area. you know your question about the different sort of concern we've had. we've since march had a 1500 separated children identified a 1200 of those have been re, unified with the families over 200 children, child soldiers, children associated groups have been identified and released and have
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gone through rehabilitation services. and then we've also had over 300 and we've had a 140, very 5 cases of the agenda based slide. and so the protection issues are significant, of course and grand. i appreciate those numbers, those statistics, but of course, as we all know, it's all the more impactful to really hear those personal stories. i know malcolm in one of your packages. earlier this week for al jazeera, you spoke to a woman who survived a rape by am 23 fighters. i'd love to play the clip for our audience and then we'll come right back to you on the end of it. take a listen. gloria. not her real name says she was pregnant when she was gang raped by fighters from the n 23 rebel group. earlier this year, there was nobody to help me. when i woke up over the hospital, my neighbor had rescued me. i don't know what they used because it was badly torn, and my bladder was leaking. gloria's baby died before she gave birth,
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and was surgically removed. now, she's joined the nearly 200000 people have fled their homes. the conditions in the camp subsides. there isn't enough food or clean water and shelters, don't keep out the rain. well, congos army and most of its armed groups are accused of widespread right to be says, the fact that tens of thousands of people have chosen to come here, leaving behind their homes. and they give some indication of just how scared they are of m 23, malcolm watching that back and knowing all that, you know, based on your coverage in past years, looking back at this conflict. of course, as you mentioned at the top, this isn't new. how does it compare in terms of what the people are having to endure? i mean, i guess and me, what seems i guess really quite sad about it or be depressing is having to enjoy the same things again. i was here in 2008 when the c n d b i,
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we're talking in 20122013 the fact that yeah, it was kind of history. seems like history repeating the same thing happening again . that's terrible. and, and then i'm guessing the case of rights abuses. i mean, as you said, then the story is not only just m 23, a 2 committees. the army is accused of right? this is on many occasions over the course. emily, better when they're waiting that better when they're funded, they're better when they're fed and wanted the west moment to when they're being beaten. when the retreating, the grades in accused of fighting alongside congress they. they also deny that including the law and others, m $23.00 is a fighting alongside and then known for right to be seen and brutality in the thirty's they control. yeah, it was unique about i'm 23, operate commissions like a conventional army and, and in the past and it's taken over territories. it's them administered them. it's
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got prison prisoners. and i because it i history because they've done that before then the population is very good. rank these guys, reagan, we just heard malcolm bring up the fear. obviously, the fear factor, not just from m 23, but just escalating situation and even regionally, which we'll discuss in a few minutes. but i do want to ask you, we heard from patricia who and she's a freelance journalist, she had a very interesting point. i want to play it for you and then ask you something going. genuinely, 3 variables have advanced in recent weeks. they have, he's several keystones and they are known about 30 kilometers away from the provincial capital where they are not for sure. however, if, if the rebels had the intention to push forward and try to seize gomez, they did a d k. the go, what seems clear is that they want to put more pressure and has more negotiating
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power at the talks that will take place in the next 3, please. the company, so sorry. in the meantime, obviously, the c began populations that carried the worst burden of the crisis. reagan when you listen to patricia and knowing that we've seen civilians attacking a u. n. p convoy. earlier this week, we've seen obviously maybe the united nations role being limited. what are, what are your concerns about the or their ability to actually protect civilian? yes, the men think that there is there is no longer trust. different regional foresees or more news call even we verified to see. so that's a big problem when you come to the population. so the population is not really working for, for any protection from me. and from that for
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this, keep us. but that means don't. so that's when it come to for ya. when you come to do to all the cash and people can tend to be also violent. and that's something that should be tricky, not going to make sure that the population is i eat. yeah. we, we make sure that that population is getting got a bit more information and that it was right spur and see if there is no information. yeah. tend to creates fake news and of course and of course not to interrupt but, but how big a role has fake news been playing? i mean, we've seen the conversation on social media really erupt thing in terms of misinformation and fear mongering. yes, we went lives in that, you know, there is a facebook la accounts. oh which i was just
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printing a fake news and a ira information that's making people be in this dance should la, today there was a dance sion and because you know china camp were at was and people were there was this room or that's ok that entered you free, it's e that coming back just right. you don't get up from here and that's i'm gonna make people moving. and oh, the or that sense in that would be dangerous. yes. and i see, and i see that grant is nodding as you're, as you're making that point. and i do want to ask you and you know, grant, we've seen the fear is rising. we've seen what hundreds, if not thousands joining the fight against m. 23 volunteering if you will. we also have this clip actually, that will play from malcolm's package earlier this week. you know where people are signing up to join the military. a lot of people on our youtube shot or discussing that issue. take
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a look at grand these men say they want to fight him across the republic of comrades. army says that more than 3000 people who responded to a cool for recruit property. you mean, wow, i am here because we are suffering too much my family, my sister's they have suffered a lot from war. some of them were right. so we have because from now on, i need to defend myself. you know, grant, when you hear that and boasted and he's not going to go in the story, i was, i was careful not to to do a tribute this claim that these people are recruit to the army and the army that said that they were great. but to me they looked a lot like guys we saw in 2014 off to the time the n 23 with the fee to now a lot of the groups have anything kong start with 1990 the early 2000 community
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members defending themselves against the foreign armies, including rwanda, and you can come into the country and then when m. $23.00, which is widely seen to be approx, april 1 that was defeated in 2013. the governor cooled a lot of these groups. the come out the bush because from that perspective what had been a kind of arch rival for decades. and finally, for one been to see. yeah. thousands of these guys in a demobilization camp. then i think many of them went said they left, went back to the bush. the others went to other parts of the country. but the way that they sang the songs they but very muscular jogging around together. these, the mobilized militia, guys were exactly like what we saw with the people that the congolese army said we need to create. so we also spokesman if, if the, the, the mobile of militia guys coming back and they denied it. and they said that they're not fighting with great, but we will say wait and see if you guys will actually be given uniforms and guns and will be trained right. last time i saw them,
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there was still comes out there by the round about here. and even gamma, i'm yes, i'd like to call my son please. yet regarding that, it's hard to see. we know that the has many problems when you come to recruitment, when you come to equipment and when you come in about not in house or are i manage inside the army? so i think that's something you bought and we couldn't just speak about having more men in the army, but we need to sort to make sure that the me is responsible for helping people accountable for that happening back. right. and also to make sure that the chain of command is key. i, we know we there and people was being asked us for violation of human rights should be put aside from the army. and he's being said, yeah,
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they're buried there is, there is real mobility ratio of the population to make sure that bacon bits or so yeah, to, and reagan. and that's of course, that's of course important. it's also important that we bring in some additional voices from youtube, people, timing and grant. perhaps i'll put some of these comments and questions to you. deep bo thing. how large is this rebel group in comparison to government forces? and been lucky, she making perhaps you know, kind of a premonition of what's the come thing d r c has been purposely weakened by the international community. and sebastian saying, congo will end up like through dan divided by 2 east will be another state. do you think grant that that's the possible possible? yes. so mother just want to come back to cover a lot of ground. yeah, the 1st thing i wanted to mention is there was
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a discussion around going to fake news, news and manipulation of different media channels. so i think just to run through this very quick, i mean, 1st of all on that, it's very difficult to do real time verification of what, what's confirmed as opposed to a kind of a deliberate sort of room, a set of to generate stuff. second, i wanted to just comment on the, the call to mobilize the youth and it to very important things. that number one is, there's an age verification problem that has been established with f, a r c. it's extremely important that that age verification process is strictly applied when there's a significant number. and in the same way also the, there's the issue of the training of new recruits, right to be per, professionally trained. and then just, i think, you know, a comment on your, your,
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you know, the other question really because we're running out of time. yes, we haven't talked about this is extremely mineral reach part of the our feet. right? so they are, there are a lot of interest around around the strategic result. and i think that the question of whether the extent to which the international community or ease of use and i, 1st of all, part of the problem is around the, you know, some of the other major global crisis such as ukraine, russia and their number of others right, but you know, the question is whether the effectiveness, it's the effectiveness of all of the diplomatic assets. right. and there's been a lot of that are going to succeed, of course, and i see malcolm's nodding. he was nodding throughout a lot of your interjections there, and malcolm before we wrap, i want to come to you based on what you just heard from grant. knowing that there's
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been a lot of criticism levied of the u. k. of the us. when we look at the macro big picture of why this might be happening again, i want to ask you, what if goma does fall to the rebels? i mean, is that likely in your estimation? so the military suited to spoken to everybody here is i can familiar with the forces involved seems to think that sooner or later and 23 with it's widely believed to have for london for could take or if they really wanted to come to lead 40 to contain the food that was that it didn't have enough ammunition and they say that the enemy that i think has been kind of refreshed and replenished in the break . well, armed with everyone that does deny it, but then if indeed it was rwanda and possibly you got the behind this movement. then i think if they do have the choice, they are the minute gave them relative. and the choice of whether or not me take a few factors would be the and any 12 that was what really turned up the diplomatic
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pressure melinda, to then pull back and, and eventually brought an international support to congo to, to defeat them. and other possibilities that you understand being supported by significant numbers everyone. and so just in case they did a billable cave in the city and that would make one the position harder to defend and internationally. but in terms of the negotiations coming out that have been mentioned thing both sides will be interested in militarily getting a stronger physicians as possible. and if the incoming forces just surround goma to the north and to the west render to the east, then that would even that alone would put them in a, in a strong position for negotiations from a military point to be and very, very quickly, if i can grant to circle back we, you know, people making these concerns that the international community is purposely weakening the d r c. what do you make of that?
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i just want to come back to an earlier comment from reagan, which i agree with the humanitarian response to this crisis is, is some, it's not at the scale, it needs to be. so we need immediate, we need significant red resources. we need to move the piece to safe side next to water supply. and we have identify these. these are being discussed with authority. well, well, grant grant that's, i'm probably going to bring up. i'm unfortunately gonna have to cut you off there, but it really is going to be a question to see how that gets scaled up. that's all for today. i want to thank reagan, malcolm and grant. remember at home you can always find us online at streamed on al jazeera dot com. thanks for watching. ah,
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