or i wouldn't watch it at all because the players did not stand by the people they could have just like ali date alley, creamy, but they didn't. so unfortunately, this world cup is meaningless for i told him i said if you start to measure the facts, are there some people on social media are encouraging people to ignore the national thing, considering the current situation. but in fact, those are truly interesting football that i care about these things and will always watch i'm national teams time. so don't want to reach out to the dating. i've always followed the national team until recently. today no one has the enthusiasm to watch football. considering the current situation in the password cups, people like the players plays words were the people's words. they supported the people. they were players of the nation. but this time the government's players. really, i don't think i watched the national teams matches, considering the concentration. i don't think they're in good spirits, but eventually they have to, when we pray for the prayers and support them at various points across to her on

these posters, have gone up on it and saying that the entire nation is behind their national team . and that is the case as well. here other the square of freedom square is it's known where a giant football has been placed in front of the very well known monument and on it . again saying that this entire country is routing for their national team. whatever the outcome is for these players, it is now clear that this world cup is much more than just about football. awe. what you know, just here are, these are the headlines, these, our nato will hold an emergency meeting after miss all attack kill 2 people inside poland near the ukrainian border. keith blames russia, but moscow denies it's behind the explosion. the socio press, citing us official, says initial investigation suggest it was fired by ukrainian forces at an incoming

rush. and miss us president biden's is based on the trajectory. it's unlikely and miss l. 5 from russia caused the blast. he was speaking after world laid his wrapped up in emergency making cold by him on the sidelines of the g. 20 summit in bali. former us president donald trump has announced he will run for president again in 2024. trump's earlier than usual announcement is seen as a move to discourage other republican contenders. like florida governor rone dissenters. together we will be take it on the most corrupt forces and entrenched interests imaginable. our country is a horrible state. we're in grave trouble. this is not a task for a politician or a conventional candidate is a task for a great movement that a bodies, the courage, confidence, and the spirit of the american people. this is a movement,

this is not for any one individual. and nasa has successfully launched its giant rocker, which will take the ottoman one mission to the moon. the unmanned expedition is the 1st part of the program, which aims to send people back to the lunacy. all right, those are the headlines. i'm emily angland. the news continues here on the al jazeera after the string to stay with talk to al jazeera. we also do believe that women of afghanistan were somehow abandoned by the international community. we listen. leah p. shoot a price for the war against terrorism as glenwell. and in some money, we meet with global news makers and talk about the stories that matter. one out you, sir. i welcome to the stream. i'm at shabby dean sitting in for a family ok. tens of thousands of people in eastern democratic republic of congo

have been forced to flee their homes as government forces battle the resurgent m. 23 militia. now as the rebels draw closer to the major city of goma, we look at how civilians are coping and ask what it will take to bring the fighting tenant. ah, joining us for today's conversation, reagan, me very, is an activist with lucia, a youth based civil society movement. he joins us from gama, also, and gama. we have malcolm web, he's a senior al jazeera correspondent and completing our line up from go. my grant laity is eunice eps representative. indeed, congo, thank you so much for joining us on all 3 of you. and remember, you can always send us your comments or questions here on youtube, and i'll be sure to put them to our desk directly. so let's start with a little bit of basic background to this conflict and 23 or the march 23rd movement is a mostly congolese could see militia now in 2012, it briefly seized goma,

the capital of north cuba province. and in 2013 the government and m 23 reached a peace deal, but in late 2021 and 23 resumed fighting, saying that the government had not kept its promises. as am 23 leads a new offensive now in north kiva, the congolese government says neighboring gro, wanda, is giving support to the rebels. the government in kigali denies any involvement. now, with those facts in mind, i want to just start by kind of addressing to why, why is this happening, malcolm? if you had to kinda boil it down, why are we seeing this renewed violence? well, it's not just common government that accuses rhonda enrollment. i mean, you and investigators leak to report earlier this year we seen photographs of rwanda and soldiers with 23 even videos. we proceed with the release from antarctic 3 show fighters wearing rwandan equipment equipment. and now it doesn't come

through and it does deny it. and we always include given the right to reply and include that denial, but it doesn't surprise anyone in this region. java cut another iteration of was widely to believe to be over. one then backed on rebellion and 23 rebelled against the colonies government 10 years ago. with rwandan support before that came c n d p in 2008, 2009. at the job history in the, in the 990, were wondering you got the invaded in 96. following the one, the genocide that had been accused of repeatedly entering with the militaries of meddling and of lifting mineral since then. so not sentence a kind of repetition of this. why is it happening now? yeah, i mean, a year ago, congos army, congress government left in, you got the army, you know, given it to the province, austin, to believe,

to fly and call the adf at the time. relations were not good between you gander, miranda and wonder objected to his rival being given access to eastern congo where it's made money in the past. and so what was the point that when we started seeing and $23.00 active again, which a lot of people understand to be under setting itself, militarily anything, convey sure. since the relations between those 2 countries have improved, and it was widely seen as a sort of a weak moment for the congo, leads the government. and the congress forces with relations, particularly poor, the un peacekeepers a here. and i probably many people, it's, it's, it's an open door a month or 2 to, to, to, to come in again. i'm in a neighboring country. and you know, when we talk about the neighboring countries, i want to kind of brought this out for a 2nd for those who are not familiar. and i appreciate that context to begin with

reagan when we look at the civilian toil. i mean, the displacement of civilians and also just the detect, you know, the conditions that are deteriorating so rapidly. what is of major concern to you and what looks different perhaps this time? reagan? yes, that's the major concern. it's about the shed. tough for people who has moved from that place. his work been obliged to move from villages, but sort of saw the need for they need to know what they need and sensation. there is a lot of needs and so far and mentality and response has been i still. busy slow, right, and i had a mom and, and i see, sorry, i don't interject, but when we talk about the humanitarian response, i know you're particularly focused on children a grant. we have a video common in fact, or i should say, this is from the you and hcr is joel smith. that raises this point, take

a listen to what he had to say. to me seems high. this placement science forces to free the cautious including morning resume harris, free sheltering 23000 people to us and she has to flee overnight until. ready so you've gotten, you're a senior and the outskirts is going for many. so this isn't the 1st time this conflicts, violence. we're seeing fun is driven to pause many years so. so 1st arrives in january, she knew unaccompanied children and 40 lives through trauma confluence. so grand children being abducted, we've heard, you know, either killed, maimed or even, you know, so far as so much sex or violence reported what would concerns you most here? well, thank you. that's just to, to 1st of all, put a few numbers that you mentioned tens of thousands but, but actually since the,

the, the, the escalation from the 20th of october its estimated the new 188000. i'm bringing the total to since the beginning of march this year when things started to reactivate, right? as messy was mentioning up to about $240000.00 overall. so in terms of displace people, a 150000 of those in round numbers have arrived just north of goldman and then you know, gone, go area. can you think of about 25000 households? so as, as rigor was mentioned, there's the immediate concerns or water sanitation on that. i just want to add, this is a zone that is well known for cholera. we have done about a 160 interventions in just the last week on the caller alerts,

shelter is a major problem. some people are sleeping literally on and this, this is an error with like lava, you know, from previous volcanic eruptions and having, we've seen mothers, you know, have the, the babies lying on top of them and then a small piece of plastic. yeah. just, you know, when we say shelter, we need to be clear, really setting right on the child's protection area. you know your question about the different sort of concerns we've had. we've since march had a 1500 separated children identified a 1200 of those have been re, unified with their families over 200 children, child soldiers, children associated groups have been identified and released and have

gone through rehabilitation services. and then we've also had over $300.00, and we've had a $140.00 verified cases of agenda baseline. and so the protection issues a significant, of course and, and grand. i appreciate those numbers those statistics. but of course, as we all know, it's all the more impactful to really hear those personal stories. i know malcolm in one of your packages. earlier this week for al jazeera, you spoke to a woman who survived a rape by am 23 fighters. i'd love to play the clip for our audience and then we'll come right back to you on the end of it. take a listen. gloria not her real name says she was pregnant when she was gang raped by fighters from the n 23 rebel group. earlier this year there was nobody to help me. when i woke up with an hospital, my neighbor had rescued me. i don't know what they used because of us badly torn and my blood was leaking. the glorious baby died before she gave birth and was

surgically removed. now, she's joined the nearly 200000 people have fled their homes. the conditions in the camp subsides. there isn't enough food or clean water and shelters, don't keep out the rain while congos army and most of its armed groups are accused of widespread right to be says, the fact that tens of thousands of people have chosen to come here, leaving behind their homes and their farms give some indication of just how scared they are of m 23. malcolm watching that back and knowing all that, you know, based on your coverage in past years, looking back at this conflict. of course, as you mentioned at the top, this isn't new. how does it compare in terms of what the people are having to endure? i mean, i guess and me what seems that i guess really quite sad about it or be depressing. is it adding to enjoy the same things again? i was here in 2008 when the c n d

b i were talking in 2012 and in 2013 and the fact that yeah, it's kind of history. seems like history repeating, same thing happening again. that's terrible. and, and then i'm going to guess in the case of rights abuses, i mean, as you said, then the story is not only just m 23, it talks commonly, the army is accused of right visa on many occasions over the course, emily, better when they're waiting that better when they're funded, they're better when they're fed and watered the west moment when they're being beaten, when they're retreating. the grades of an accused of acting alongside connelly's army. they. they also deny that including the alarm and others m. 23 is a fighting alongside and then known for right to be seen and brutality in the thirty's they control. yeah, it was unique about i'm 23 operate commissions like a conventional army and, and in the past and it's taken over territories. it's them administered them,

it's prison prisoners. and i because it i history because they've done that before then the population is a very good rank these guys, reagan. we just heard malcolm bring up the fear. obviously the fear factor, not just from m 23, but just escalating situation and even regionally, which we'll discuss in a few minutes. but i do want to ask you, we heard from patricia who and she's a freelance journalist, she had a very interesting point. i want to play it for you and then ask you something going. genuinely, tree wearable have advanced in recent weeks. they have several keystones and there are no near but 30 kilometers away from the provincial capital where they are not for sure. however, if, if the rebels had the intention to push forward and try to, he's go miles, they did a dk, the go. what seems care is that they want to put more pressure and has more

negotiating power at the talks that will take place in the next 3 with the congress . so sorry, in the meantime obviously the c began population that scary is the worst burden of the crisis. reagan when you listen to patricia and knowing that we've seen civilians attacking a u. n. p convoy earlier this week, we've seen obviously maybe the united nations role being limited. what are, what are your concerns about their ability to actually protect civilian yes. the mentoring that there is there is no longer trust. different regional foresees or more news call. even we verified to see so that is a big problem when you come to the population. so the population is not really working for any protection from me and from the for this keep us. but that means don't. so that's

when it's come to for ya. when it's come to do to all the cash and people can tend to be also violent. and that's something that should be thinking are going to make sure that the population is in it. yet when we make sure that the population is getting a bit more information and we'll see if there is no information or tend to create a new and of course and of course not to interrupt but, but how bigger role has fake news been playing? i mean, we've seen the conversation on social media really erupt thing in terms of misinformation and fear mongering. yes we, we've seen that you look, there is a lot of facebook account which are

printing fake news and information that's making people be in this dance should love to day they will d dot com where i was and people was, there was this room or that ok, the energy free. it's just right. you know, mid the from that make people moving on the fence and that would be dangerous. yeah. and i see, i see that grant is nodding as you're, as you're making that point. and i do want to ask you, you know, grant, we've seen the fear is rising, we've seen what hundreds, if not thousands joining the fight against m. 23 volunteering if you will. we also have this clip actually, that will play from malcolm's package earlier this week. you know where people are signing up to join the military. a lot of people in our youtube shot or discussing that issue, take

a look grant these men say they want to fight him. acrostic republic of congo. zombies has ever been more than 3000 people who responded to a cool for recruits. many lives human law. i am here because we are suffering too much. my family, my sisters, they have suffered a lot from war. some of them were right. so we have because from now on, i need to defend myself. you know, grant, when you hear that and i want to both, he's not going to go in the story. i was, i was careful not to to do attribute this claim that these people who recruit to the army, the army that said that they were great. but to me they looked a lot like guys we saw in 2014, off to the time the n 23 with the free to now a lot of the groups have anything kong. i start with 92000 community members,

defending themselves against the foreign armies. including rwanda and you can come into the country and then when m $23.00, which is widely seems to be approx april 1 that was defeated in 2013 the government and cooled. a lot of these groups that come out the bush because from their perspective being a kind of arch rival for decades and finally for once been to see. yeah. so sounds into these guys in a demobilization camp. then i think many of them went said they left, went back to the bush. others went to other parts of the country, but the way that they sang the songs were muscular. joking around together, these demobilized militia guys was exactly like what we saw with the people that the congolese army said we need to create. so we also spokesman if, if the, the, the mobile, our eyes militia guys coming back and they denied it. and they said that they're not fighting with grades, but we will say wait to see if you guys will actually be given uniforms and guns and will be trained right. last time i saw them,

there was still comes out there by the round about here. and even gamma, i'm yes, i'd like to call my son, please. yet regarding that far to see, we know that the has many prob, then when you come to recruitment, when you come to equipments and when you come in about not in how things are i manage inside be so i think that's something you bought, that we couldn't just pick about having more men in the army, but we need also to make sure that the me is responsible for helping people accountable for that. think that that happening. right. and also to make sure that the chain of command is key. i, we know we there and people was being a q is for violation of human rights should be put aside from the army and

he's being said, yeah, they're buried there is, there is real mother of the population to make sure that bacon. but it's also, yeah, to, and reagan. and that's of course, that's of course important. it's also important that we bring in some additional voices from you to people, timing and grant. perhaps i'll put some of these comments and questions to you. deep bo saying how large is this rebel group in comparison to government forces and been lucky, she making perhaps you know, kind of a premonition of what's the come thing. d. c has been purposely weakened by the international community and sebastian saying, congo will end up like through dan divided by 2 east will be another state. do you think grant that that's the possible possible. so i'm, i just want to come back to you. we've covered a lot of ground. yeah, the 1st thing i wanted to mention is there was

a discussion around going to fake news news, the manipulation of different media channels. so i think just to run through this very quick, i mean, 1st of all on that, it's very difficult to do real time verification of what's, what's confirmed as opposed to a kind of a deliberate sort of room, a set of to generate stuff. second, i wanted to just comment on the, the call to mobilize the youth and the 2 very important things there. number one is, there's an age verification problem that has been established with f, a r c. it's extremely important that that age verification process is strictly applied when there's a, there's a significant number. and in the same way also the, there's the issue of the training of new recruits, right? to be a professional trainer. and then just, i think, you know, a comment on your,

your, you know, the other question because we're running out of time. yes, we haven't talked about this is extremely mineral reach part of the, our feet, right? so there, there are a lot of interest around around the strategic resources. and i think that the question of whether the extent to which the international community or ease of use and the whole i, 1st of all, part of the problem is around the, you know, some of the other major glue crisis, such as ukraine, russia, and then number of others, right. but you know, the question is whether the effectiveness, it's the effectiveness of all of the diplomatic assets. right. and there's only been a lot of that. so it's going to succeed, of course, and i see malcolm's nodding. he was nodding throughout a lot of your interjections there, and malcolm before we wrap, i want to come to you based on what you just heard from grant. knowing that there's

been a lot of criticism levied of the u. k. of the us. when we look at the macro big picture of why this might be happening again, i want to ask you, what if goma does fall to the rebels? i mean, is that likely in your estimation? so the minute utility spoken to everybody here is i can familiar with the forces involved seems to think that sooner or later and 23 with it was widely believed to apprehend. and the 4 could take home, or if they really wanted to come to these forces a companion of food that was that it didn't have enough ammunition. and they say to the enemy that the thing is being kind of refreshed and replenished in the break. well armed, everyone does deny it, but then if indeed it was rwanda and possibly uganda behind this movement, then i think if they do have the choice they are, the military gave him relative. and the choice of whether or not me take a few factors would be the and the 2012. that was what really turned up the

diplomatic pressure mulanda to then pull back and, and eventually brought an international support to congo to, to defeat them. and other possibilities that you understand they're being supported by significant numbers everyone. and so just in case they did a billable cave in the city, and that would make the position harder to the fat and internationally. but in terms of the negotiations coming out that have been mentioned, think both sides will be interested in militarily getting a stronger positions as possible. and if the incoming forces surround goma to the north and to the west render to the east, then that would even that alone would put them in a, in a strong position for negotiations in the military. going to be and very, very quickly, if i can grant to circle back we, you know, people making these concerns that the international community is purposely weakening the d r c. what do you make of that?

i just want to come back to an earlier comment from reagan, which i agree with the humanitarian response to this crisis is, is some, it's not at the scale, it needs to be. so we need immediate, we need significant grid resources. we need to move the piece to safe side next to water supply. and we have identify these. these are being discussed with authority. well, well, grant grant and i am going to bring up, i'm unfortunately gonna have to cut you off there, but it really is going to be a question to see how that gets scaled up. that's all for today. i want to thank reagan, malcolm and grant. remember at home, you can always find us online at streamed on al jazeera dot com. thanks for watching, ah,

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