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thousands of people in eastern democratic republic of congo have been forced to flee their homes as government forces battle the resurgent m. 23 militia. now as the rebels draw closer to the major city of goma, we look at how civilians are coping and ask what it will take to bring the fighting tenant. ah, joining us for today's conversation, reagan, me very, is an activist with lucia, a youth based civil society movement. he joins us from gama, also, and gama. we have malcolm webb, he's a senior al jazeera correspondent and completing our lineup from go. my grant lady is unicef representative. indeed, congo, thank you so much for joining us on all 3 of you. and remember, you can always send us your comments or questions here on youtube, and i'll be sure to put them to our desk directly. so let's start with a little bit of basic background to this conflict and 23 or the march 23rd movement is a mostly congolese could see militia now in 2012, it briefly seized goma,

the capital of north keybo province. and in 2013 the government and m 23 reached a peace deal, but in late 2021 and 23 resumed fighting, saying that the government had not kept its promises. as am 3 leads a new offensive now in north kiva, the congress government says neighboring rwanda is giving support to the rebel. the government in kigali denies any involvement. now the windows fax in mind, i want to just start by kind of addressing the why, why is this happening, malcolm? if you have to kinda boil it down, why are we seeing this renewed violence will is not just going to come in. that case is rhonda goldman, i mean you and investigators linked to report earlier this year we seen photographs of regard rwandan soldiers with $23.00 even videos. we proceed with a release form and 23 show fighters wearing rwandan equipment equipment.

and it doesn't come through and to deny it, and we always include give them the right to reply and include that denial. but it doesn't surprise anyone in this region. java, kind of know the restoration of was widely to believe to be over one then back on rebellion and 23 rebelled against the communities government 10 years ago with rwandan support. before that came c n d p in 2008, 2009. at the job history in the in the 990 miranda and you got the invaded in 96. following the one, the genocide that have been accused of repeatedly entering with the militaries of meddling and of lifting mineral since then. so not sentence that kind of repetition of this. why is it happening now? yeah, i mean, a year ago, congos ami congress government left in the army, you know, given it to the province, austin, to believe,

to fly and call the adf at the time. relations were not good between you gander, miranda and wonder objected to his rival being given access to eastern congo where it's made money in the past. and so what was the point that was when we started seeing and $23.00 active again, which a lot of people understand to be under setting itself militarily, anything con day? sure, ever since the relations between those 2 countries have improved, and it was widely seen as a sort of a weak moment for the congo, leads the government and the congress forces with relations, particularly poor, the un peacekeepers a here. yeah. and i probably a many people, it's, it's, it's an open door a month or 2 to, to, to, to come in again. i'm in the neighboring country. and you know, when we talk about the neighboring countries, i want to kind of brought this out for a 2nd for those who are not familiar. and i appreciate that context to begin with

reagan when we look at the civilian toil. i mean, the displacement of civilians and also just the detect, you know, the conditions that are deteriorating so rapidly. what is of major concern to you and what looks different perhaps this time? reagan? yes, that's the major concern. it's about the chevy tahoe people who has moved from that place is worth being obliged to move from villages. but sort of saw the need for they need or are they need and sanitation? there is a lot of needs and so far as mentality and response has been i still. busy slow right, and i had a mo, an n i c. sorry, i don't interject, but when we talk about the humanitarian response, i know you're particularly focused on children a grant. we have a video common in fact, or i should say, this is from the you and hcr is joel smith. that raises this point, take

a listen to what he had to say to me since hi, this placement science forced to free the cautious including one and resume harris free sheltering 23000 people, louis and she has to flee overnight and. ready so you've gotten, you're a senior and the outskirts of going from any of this isn't the 1st time this should conflict violence. we're seeing fun is driven to pause many years so so for us arrives in january, she knew unaccompanied children and 40 lives through the trauma conference. so grand children being abducted, we've heard, you know, either killed, maimed or even, you know, so far as so much sex or violence reported what would concerns you most here? well, thank you. that's just to, to 1st of all, put a few numbers that you mentioned tens of thousands but, but actually since the,

the, the, the escalation from the 20th of october its estimated the new 188000. i'm bringing the total to since the beginning of march this year when things started to reactivate, right? as messy was mentioning up to about $240000.00 overall. so in terms of displace people, a 150000 of those in round numbers have arrived just north of goldman and then you know, gone, go area. can you think of about 25000 households? so as, as rigor was mentioned, there's the immediate concerns or water sanitation on that. i just want to add, this is a zone that is well known for cholera. we have done about a 160 interventions in just the last week on the caller alerts,

shelter is a major problem. some people are sleeping literally on and this, this is an error with like lava, you know, from previous volcanic eruptions and having, we've seen mothers, you know, have the, the babies lying on top of them and then a small piece of plastic. yeah. just, you know, when we say shelter, we need to be clear, really setting right on the child's protection area. you know your question about the different sort of concerns we've had. we've since march had a 1500 separated children identified a 1200 of those have been re, unified with their families over 200 children, child soldiers, children associated groups have been identified and released and have

gone through rehabilitation services. and then we've also had over 300, and we've had a 140 verified cases of agenda based slides. and so the protection issues a significant, of course and grand. i appreciate those numbers those statistics. but of course, as we all know, it's all the more impactful to really hear those personal stories. i know malcolm in one of your packages. earlier this week for al jazeera, you spoke to a woman who survived a rape by am 23 fighters. i'd love to play the clip for our audience and then we'll come right back to you on the end of it. take a listen. gloria, not her real name. says she was pregnant when she was gang raped by fighters from the n 23 rebel group. earlier this year there was nobody to help me. when i woke up with the hospital, my neighbor had rescued me. i don't know what they used because it was badly torn, and my bladder was leaking. gloria's baby died before she gave birth,

and was surgically removed. now, she's joined the nearly 200000 people have fled their homes. the conditions in the camp subsides. there isn't enough food or clean water and shelters, don't keep out the rain. well, congos army and most of its armed groups are accused of widespread right to be says, the fact that tens of thousands of people have chosen to come here, leaving behind their homes and their farms give some indication of just how scared they are of m 23, malcolm, watching that back and knowing all that, you know, based on your coverage in past years looking back at this conflict. of course, as you mentioned at the top, this isn't new. how does it compare in terms of what the people are having to endure? i mean, i guess in me what seems to, i guess, really quite sad about it over the pricing is that having to enjoy the same things again? i was here in 2008 when the c n d

b i were talking gamma in 2012 and in 2013 and the fact that yeah, it was kind of history. seems like history repeating the same thing happening again . that's terrible. and. and then i'm guessing the case of rights abuses, i mean, you said then the story is not only just m $23.00, a 2 committees. the army is accused of right visa on many occasions over the course, emily, better when they're waiting that better when they're funded, they're better when they're fed and watered the west moment when they're being beaten when they're retreating. the grades of an accused of fighting alongside connelly's army. they also deny that including the alarm and others m $23.00 is a fighting alongside and then known for right to be seen and brutality in the thirty's they control. yeah, it was unique about 23. they operate to mr. like a conventional army and, and in the past and it's taken over territories. it's them administered them,

it's prison prisoners. and i because it i history because they've done that before then the population is a very good rank these guys, reagan. we just heard malcolm bring up the fear. obviously the fear factor, not just from m 23, but just escalating situation and even regionally, which we'll discuss in a few minutes. but i do want to ask you, we heard from patricia who and she's a freelance journalist, she had a very interesting point. i want to play it for you and then ask you something going. genuinely, 3 variables have advanced in recent weeks. they have, he's several keystones and they are known about 30 kilometers away from the provincial capital where they are not for sure. however, if, if the rebels had the intention to push for war, been trying to seize gomez, they did a d k. the go. what seems clear is that they want to put more pressure and has

morning go shooting power as the talks that will take place in the next 3, please. the company. so sorry, keep in the meantime obviously the c began populations that scary the worst burden of the crisis. reagan when you listen to patricia and knowing that we've seen civilians attacking a u. n. p convoy earlier this week we've seen obviously maybe the united nations role being limited. what are, what are your concerns about the or their ability to actually protect civilian? yes. the main thing that there is there is no longer trust. the difference is region 14 or more news call even with very hard to see. so that is a big problem when you come to the population. so the population is not really working for, for any protection from me and from the for the

please keep us. but that means don't. so that's when it's come to for ya when it's come to do, to all the cash and people can tend to be also violent. and that's something that should be thinking are going to make sure that the population is it. yet when we make sure that the population is getting a bit more information and see if there is no information for 10 to create new and of course of course not to interrupt but how bigger role has fake news been playing? i mean, we've seen the conversation on social media really erupt thing in terms of misinformation and fear mongering. yes, we've, we've seen that you look, there is a lot of sense which breathing,

fake news and day. i don't know if you formation that's making people be in this dance should today they will dance soon because, you know, come where i was and people was, there was this room or that ok. the energy free. it's just right. you don't get that from that. make people moving on the fence and that's would be dangerous. yeah. and i see, i see that grant is nodding as you're, as you're making that point. and i do want to ask you, you know, grant, we've seen the fear is rising. we've seen what hundreds, if not thousands joining the fight against them. 23 volunteering if you will. we also have this clip actually that will play from malcolm's package earlier this week. you know, where people are signing up to join the military. a lot of people in our youtube shot or discussing that issue, take

a look grand. oh, these men say they want to fight. oh, anyway. him aquatic republic of corners, army says there have been more than 3000 people who responded to a cool for recruit. when what was human? i wanna, i am here because we are suffering too much. my family, my sisters. they have suffered a lot from war. some of them were raped. so we're here because from now on, i need to defend myself. you know, grant, when you hear that and busted and he's not gonna go in the story, i was, i was careful not to to do attribute this claim that the people who recruit to the army and the army that said that they were great. but to me they looked a lot like guys we saw in 2014 off to the time the n 23 with the fee to now a lot of the groups have anything kong. i start with 92000 community members,

defending themselves against the foreign armies. including rwanda and you can come into the country and then when m $23.00, which is widely, seems to be approx aber one that was defeated in 2013, the governor cooled a lot of these groups the come out the bush because from that perspective, what had been a kind of arch rival for decades, and finally, for one been to see. yeah. 1000 to these guys in a demobilization camp. then i think many of them went said they left, went back to the bush. others went to other parts of the country, but the way that they sang the songs were muscular jogging around to get these, the mobilized militia. guys were exactly like what we saw with the people that the congolese army said we need to create. so we also spokesman if, if the, the, the mobile, our eyes militia guys coming back and they denied it. and they said that they're not fighting with grades, but we will say wait and see if you guys will actually be given uniforms and guns and will be trained right. last time i saw them,

there was still comes out there by the round about here. and even gamma, i'm yes, i'd like to call my son please. yet, regarding the pharmacy, we know that the has many prob, then when you come to recruitment, when you come to equipment and when you come in about not in how i manage inside be. so i think that's something you bought, that we couldn't just pick about having more men in the army, but we need to sort to make sure that the me is responsible for helping people accountable for that. think that that happening. right. and also to make sure that the chain of command is key. i, we know we're there and people was being a q is for violation of human rights. yeah. should be put aside from the army and

he's being said, yeah, they're buried there is, there is real mother of the population to make sure that bacon. but it's also, yeah, to, and reagan. and that's of course, that's of course important. it's also important that we bring in some additional voices from you to people, timing and grant. perhaps i'll put some of these comments and questions to you. the bo saying how large is the rebel group in comparison to government forces and been lucky, she making perhaps you know, kind of a premonition of what's the come thing. d. c has been purposely weakened by the international community and sebastian saying, congo will end up like through dan divided by 2 east will be another state. do you think grant that that's the possible possible. yes. so mother just want to come back to cover a lot of ground. yeah, the 1st thing i wanted to mention is there was

a discussion around gonna face mute news and manipulation of different media channels. so i think just to run through these very quick, i mean, 1st of all on that, it's very difficult to do real time verification of what's, what's confirmed as opposed to a kind of a deliberate sort of room, a set of to generate stuff. second, i wanted to just comment on the, the call to mobilize the youth and it to very important things. then number one is, there's an age verification process that has been established with f, a r c. it's extremely important that that age verification process is strictly applied when there's a significant number. busy and in the same way, also the, the issue of the training of new recruits, right? when to be a professional trainer. and then just, i think, you know,

a comment on your, your, you know, the check these other questions because we're running out of time. yes, we haven't talked about this is extremely mineral reach part of the our feet, right. so there, there are a lot of interest around around the strategic resources. and i think that the question of whether the extent to which the international community or ease of use and the full i 1st of all, part of the problem is around the, you know, some of the other major glue crisis, such as ukraine, russia and their number of others, right. but you know, the question is whether the effectiveness, it's the effectiveness of all of the diplomatic efforts. right. and there's only been a lot of that are going to succeed, of course, and i see malcolm's nodding. he was nodding throughout a lot of your interjections there, and malcolm before we wrap, i want to come to you based on what you just heard from grant. knowing that there's

been a lot of criticism levied of the u. k. of the us. when we look at the macro big picture of why this might be happening again, i want to ask you, what is the goal my does fall to the rebels? i mean, is that likely in your estimation? so the military source is responding to everybody. here is a conflict with the forces involved seems to think that sooner or later and 23 with its cause widely believed to ab rwandan, people could take home or if they really wanted to combine these forces to contain that they don't have food and water didn't have enough ammunition, and they say that the enemy that i think has been kind of refreshed and replenished and it's like, well everyone does deny it. but then, if indeed it was rwanda and possibly gotten behind this movement, then i think if they do have the choice they are, the military gave them realty, and then the choice of whether or not they take more than a few factors would be the and any 12,

that was what really turned up the diplomatic pressure melinda, to then pull back and, and eventually brought that international support to convey to, to defeat them. and other possibilities that you understand they being supported by significant numbers everyone. and so just in case they did a visible cave in the city and that would make the position harder to defend and internationally. but in terms of the negotiations coming out that have been mentioned. thing both sides will be interested in militarily getting a stronger positions as possible. and if the incoming forces just surround goma to the north and to the west, render is to the east, then that would even that alone would put them in a, in a strong position for negotiations from a military point to be and very, very quickly, if i can grant to circle back we, you know, people making these concerns that the international community is purposely weakening the d r c. what do you make of that?

i just want to come back to an earlier comment from reagan, which i agree with the humanitarian response to this crisis is, is some, it's not at the scale, it needs to be. so we need immediate, we need significant red, red resources. we need to move the piece to safe side next to water supply. and we have identified these, these are being discussed with authority. well, for grant grant that's going to bring up. i'm unfortunately gonna have to cut you off there, but it really is going to be a question to see how that gets scaled up. that's all for today. i want to thank greg malcolm and grant, remember at home you can always find us online at streamed on al jazeera dot com. thanks for watching. ah

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