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the hand of god you. a more more god witnessed how i carried out my career, how i referee said, god wanted to recompense me of my sincere and just efforts. and as one says, i furnished all the efforts necessary to succeed in my career and thank god i succeeded. this game was always one of the most memorable, most controversial in the history of the world cup. now someone owns a piece of that history for a price, hurry for sit al jazeera. ah, this is al jazeera and these are the top stories. ukraine's president has dismiss claims that his country was responsible for a deadly blast in poland. nato has suggested it might have been caused by ukrainian infants miss all used to deflect, to rush and strike. at least 2 people were killed in the explosion. nits up sort of thing you'd see if, because we and others have nothing. absolutely nothing indicates that this was an
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intentional attack on poland. so what happened is a rocket hit our territory. it was not intentional. it was not a missile targeted at poland. the fact is, this was not an attack on poland. about them near pupa. most g 20 members meeting and bali have strongly condemned the war and ukraine. members have released a final declaration, but the statement also recognized there were other views and different assessments of the situation. liberian flagged oil tank pacific zircon has been struck by an exploding, drawing off the coast of a man. the vessel is operated by singapore based eastern pacific shipping. the company is owned by israeli bilinear eden offer. it reported minor damage and says, no crew were injured. form a u. s. president donald trump has announced he'll run for president again in 2024 . he launched his campaign a week after the midterm elections. trump's early announcement is seen as the move to discourage other republican contenders like florida governor rhonda santas.
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inflation in the u. k has climbed to its highest levels and 41 years. the office for national statistics is inflation rose to 11 point one percent in october. with those are the headlines. the news continues here on al jazeera after inside story, which is up next and you can get more on our website al jazeera dot com. ah, a miss aisle has landed in poland, killing 2 people. the crane accuses russia was moscow denies any involvement us on nato. are investigating. can the risk of
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a spillover from the war in ukraine be contained? this is inside story. ah . hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. a missile strike in poland has raised fairs . the war in ukraine could spill over into neighboring countries, and that has the potential to pull the western military alliance nato directly into the conflict. the strike killed 2 people in a polish village near the ukrainian border. a grain is blaming russia, but moscow says it had nothing to do with it. poland identifies the message as russian made, but both russia and ukraine, half this weapon in their arsenals. early investigations just it may have been fired by ukrainian forces to intercept an incoming russian missile. helen's president says there is no evidence of suggest the attack was deliberate. who was
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to be sure to get up. it was probably an es $300.00 rocket made in the soviet union, an old rocket. there is no evidence that it was launched by the russian side. it is highly probable that it was fired by ukrainian anti aircraft defense and unfortunately fell on al territory on ups. on poland as a member of nato, which held an emergency meeting in brussels. it's actually general says russia is ultimately to blame our preliminary analysis. so just thought the insolent will slightly caused by the ukrainian air defense me, san fired to the friends ukrainian territory against russian a cruise missile attacks. but let me be clear, this is not ukraine's fault. russia bears ultimate responsibility are suit continuous. it's illegal war against ukraine
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or back into in the us announced it would open a permanent military base in poland to boost nita defenses in countries bordering ukraine. the alliance has added for new combat units in slovakia, romania, bulgaria, and hungary. just this week, germany announced it will establish a maintenance hub in slovakia to service and repair weapons. it has delivered to ukraine and since september, the slovak, our spaces being protected by the check and polish air forces, that's after the country decided to phase out the use of its soviet era, mig $29.00 fighters. moldova remains relatively neutral and closed its air space to the world when the invasion began and announced a state of emergency the on out let's bring in our gas than in belfast, we have alexander tittle lecturer in modern european history at queen's university,
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belfast. and a specialist on russia in singapore summer perri, a visiting lecturer in war studies at king's college, london and author of the book rushed his road to war with ukraine and in washington, robert hunter, a former us ambassador to nato under president bill clinton. if i will welcome to all of you ro, but if i could start with you, this is a day that many predicted would come the spillover of rushes war into nato territory. how have you rated the response? well, i'm not sure it really is a spillover of the war that implies something quite major if you're granted mitchell, that when of course, then it's actually rather minor matter. the response here has been very interesting . the president does not want to see escalation, if at all possible, he wants russia to back off. i want to support mr. zelinski and what he's doing in
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ukraine. but for once, the administration has kept his message very tightly controlled and has not gotten ahead of the facts. and there's a good thing because more than the actual matter had took place on poet territory is a symbolism, it has. and the heightened anxiety within various nato countries, mostly along the frontier with ukraine. and there might be a wider war. so it's just like a logical impact, which is far more important. so the incident is so alexander, it does seem that russia has appreciated the calm response from the u. s. might one guy so far to say this is gone some way to improving trust between the 2 sides. know the fact that americans are as
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a kind of careful message and they really, really reasonably assume they own assessments, which of course they see everything, what happens and what, when the sausage flying from and so forth in this area, i suggested that they don't want explanation but at the same time, the message is also coming very clear that all roches bearing ultimate responsibility. this is kind of a message we've been kind of sent out by all the nato countries. and they basically, they this point in time, at least they're quite happy. the way things are going in a sense that they're happy to level of support for your brain and what health or your brain is doing against roger so far. so other moments there's no reason for escalation. but at the same time, this incident shows that you cannot always control escalation in these areas in this, in the circumstances. and of course, it's just a reminder that it actually can aspire out of control quite quite easily. between
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nato ross, as well as between russia and ukraine. and well, how close do you think that was spiraling out of control? i don't think at all was people hadn't inspired his chance sofa assessment. most of the other l i don't want to be engaged in is almost all of them and i was so called frog liner are just for their future. but given the uncertain days, various chancellor is within nato began to become more anxious as it started working to their own security arrangements. what this does illustrate, i think, is that nato, your west, et cetera, has been in an adequate and helping ukraine deal with incoming missiles. cruise, my foot, drones and cetera, which are now obviously designed to capitalize on his, to her was called general winter to try to black out ukraine during a very,
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very difficult winter. and also to send a message to west european countries their own. hey, i just wonder could be directly or indirectly at rest. so what does not need is german airplanes. what is needed is high quality anti missile defenses, which the stage has and should reach a line. okay, we'll come back to that point in just a moment. festival submit, although mostly to seem to agree that this was this miss l was a miss, fire from ukraine. ukraine is still not accepting that. why knows? so the credibility of the defense systems, and this is a building on appointment. robert mate. this is one of the most important defensive features of ukraine standing in the war. and i think it's worth to remind yourself that the area around the polish border has been targeted by the russians and the
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long distance missile strikes in the bus. one strike in particular, came to mind with us. the reason of this, a blast in painting that was on the 13th of marching in a place called yavari of which is just to the west of the b, isn't ukraine, but not too far from the border. the russian said that they struck a hope for western military assistance being sent from nato, from poland into, into western ukraine to be dispersed in the wars. and so, you know, obviously this is a very well protective parts of ukraine given its importance as a hub. and i think the ukrainians will be really keen to signal all around that. this is not something that they can, they can fail to defense. and ukraine saying it once, immediate access to the impact site that it wants to be involved in the investigation discovery my therapy, if you can, what that investigation is going to look like. and what more, it's going to tell us. i mean, seeing the, the debris at the,
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at the sort of source of the w fragmentation, if it survive the blas movie, the some sort of fragments i, she survived the blast that might allow for a definitive conclusion to be drawn as to who's, who's miss all it was a space if the ukraine is privately want to work out what has happened if it wasn't one of their defense missiles, they may actually also be wondering what mistake was made or whether the nissan system is treated by accidents. oh, perhaps what we don't hear is that there's actually a response to an active russian strike were thrust of a russian strike. and i think there's a picture to be booked to put together by the ukrainians. well, you mentioned before that the blame alexander does, does still fit very squarely with russia mostly does still thing. this is russia's responsibility for thought the war in the 1st place. do you think that's acceptable in any way to russia? well i think they are going to be on, i mean, when the whole war started,
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that was already a sign that they don't care about the west things. rice it's, it's a matter of who gets on the battle ground. so that's a move to that stage. so there's no contract, there's no out trying to win hearts and minds and so forth on either side. but with this, i think that the criminal will be kind of more than happy that you know, the 1st like which actually kills too much for us citizens, was, came from ukraine, relevant from russia, ukraine's reaction would be kind of quite interesting. as you said, the still insisting that it was ross of miss iowa and the secretary of a security council. then you just said that the, the health prove that it was russia, even though you know, i think it's pretty clear. i mean, the, the, the pentagon wouldn't be saying if they had any doubt that it was, you credit sauce if they had any doubt about it. so i think that's going to play religion carefully because basically the assumption is, let's just blend the russia and we won't from this and even like the crane is not
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moving on. i see resisting other kind of russian or that it was russian, me say might go on to mine it's i'm standing in the long term but so we have to kind of be careful how to play it. and russia also has to be capital. i've doesn't, we've had to at least one rather unhelpful comment from the kremlin, from the former president to meet you met with who said earlier today that the explosion says that the west is moving closer to another world war. that's pretty inflammatory. well, i mean that's me do it if i can develop this random f o being of is very vocal hawk on his telegram channel since the started yeah, but i mean, you know, that we keep the roster of course is that to keep out nature as much as possible from ukraine, including from supplies of weapons if it's can and so forth. so yeah, that's rhetoric. it goes some ways to reminding what's at stake. but i think the
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overall is a bit extra happened because it's been awesome for little to say, but it was the grant and responsible would be, can beneficial for russia. the way they say it's that it's actually a can a few grains fold. and you can, can be trusted, and so forth. there really is no appetite at all from nato countries. is that to escalate this war to enter it against russia? that's absolutely true. in fact, the fact of the national show are almost their materials. it's what individual countries new leaders make of it as an old clinical on an american statecraft. no good crisis should go to waste for an hour for the great news. however, this happened. this helps illustrate to the west that unless there is greater help for ukraine in particular, in its air defenses or its defenses against missiles,
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this kind of thing can happen and it might just might get out of control. so the ukraine, i think very smart from their perspective to emphasize the escrow tory possibilities as elliana is for mr. murray to comment. i put more or less the same category of the shape, robert brighton, mr. potent over nuclear weapons. use of nuclear weapons. this conflict is an absolute absurdity in the sense that it would be a miscalculate of, of the greatest order world history. so your question, what you have now stern messages to moscow overall about trying to bring a reward to an end. and also stopping up the supply of the high quality anti missile capacity to your credit. they semester, we expect of ukrainians to, to increase their call for more of such weapons system high quality anti missile
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systems. absolutely. and actually, what be one of the lensky talk, talking points is focusing quite specifically on this issue of air and defense systems. clearly because ukrainian cities are the nowhere near the groundwater cities, lot in the v. odessa, even key of now, a stooping, struck intermittently by these rushing, long range weapons, a variety of rushing weapons, in fact, cruise missiles, all the way to these cycle kamikaze drawing supplied by the iranians. so there is a clear defensive need. i would say that with that comes the obvious, hasn't that you're packing in into the cities in these areas. lots of a defense system song which may be from different countries because some may come from the usa. some may come from some of these over to the russian stall as 30400 systems. and so there's a huge need as well of ukrainians to maintain a situational awareness, to make sure that they're not here for these things by accident. because that can
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happen and what goes up must come down. and i think that's one of the, the lessons, the obvious lessons from this particular a tragedy in poland. and that's an interesting points to me, because russia did actually say today that tuesday strikes on the residential areas of cave will actually ukraine anti aircraft missiles again, misfiring. and do you think there was any truth in that when they, leaping on today's misfire, to excuse all the other missiles strikes from yesterday? i think lori itself really critical point, which is the sort of counter claims. the claims of miss attribution russians are of course, pos. moss is a message message, repeating things on purpose. and it's interesting with the boston, poland. there's almost a sense that the russian foreign minister is trying to print, portray this is a ukrainian false flag operation to draw the poles in, i guess draw nate, so and so i think once we have to take these things very skeptically in terms of how the russians frame what's happening?
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that information was that messaging conflict. this is a part of the conflicts unfolding and parallel to the issues of the destination can actually causing loss of life how the war is framed by science. and indeed, the media space is a really important point because this is probably one of the most coveted conflicts ever. technology is moved also we see a loss for multiple angles, use a footage and everything else. really important aspects. i think that's important. alexander, how close you know, following the state media media in russia. how is this incident being covered that i think it's kind of, they were very quick to make the point that it was a credit in miss i'll even before the official statements from nature. and so forth, but i know they blame you. i mean that they've been doing all the points and over the change in rhetoric for all the new shows on. so that was ross and miss, i'll figuring i'd go forward to getting out of 5, you know, making
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a really big case and then saying when it's brutal not to be ukrainian, it's all the way says like nothing, nothing to say here. let's move on. it's a rush for anyway, even if you couldn't. is it? so for them it's because it's a, it's a big program to we know there's no question about it. you know, for internal consumption. i don't think it makes a difference in international and because the natal support free credit will not be affected by the incidence like such as this, but the mystical yes, it is a big winters and probably mentioned before that the u. s. as mounts is going to open a permanent military base in poland. that's to boost native defenses in those countries that a bordering ukraine is. it's enough to get that permanent base in poland to defend for, to deflect an instance like this happening again. well no, i don't think it has any direct impact on this is the a not is showing reinforcement psychologically as much as anything else to effect
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nato countries based might be rover in terms of helping to maintain equipment, may need, again your grid, but it's really basic question mark, one has to be very careful on both sides as it really comes out or another point which is at what point does want to start working on what's called war termination . at what point i, ukraine demonstrated that russia will not prevail. and at one point, well mr. brewton, here was a claim, and he is validated what he called is, elementary objectives in he has special motor operation, which relates to essential a russian speaking parts of, of ukraine, including a crimea. the important thing now is for wise people to start thinking about how are you, try to bring it to a hold in ways that will meets
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a minimal objective about size. and the answer is no. par can be found and document already exists. it's called ms to a minute to explain more. oh, miss true, said in fact, wishing green between russia and ukraine with the germans of their friendship involved. we were not enrolled, that there should be some form of limited autonomy for the areas in the south 1000, southeastern ukraine, are now under a combat and under contention. they reside crime in neither ukraine or russia followed through agreement. but at least there has been discussions of what could i can outcome in alternately what, what you're gonna have to have is the cranium having sovereignty over everything. but that to people in these areas, having
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a chance to live life in which they can use directional language. and so what we're russian soldiers after get out are good crane county. we are already in pray, negotiation negotiations. you can hear what his pay says. we're asking even some things that are being said with the russian side of it's one of the questions just how much damage will continue to be done in our ukraine during this winter. how much damage to the grid, sense supply, heat, et cetera, before serious negotiated when they get on these attacks against the grid, aren't client in par, or put in to establish a more preferential and negotiating i stance. but we're already in pre negotiated. ok somehow. what's your response says the big picture for a moment, the end of the war. how does it come about is meant to the way to go. i mean,
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it suggests that ukraine must be open to negotiations. roberts saying, pre negotiations are already happening. of ukraine strenuously denies that, as it is not in a place where it is ready to open any kind of talks with the russians. what is the ukrainian possession him? very quickly on, on minsk to so i worked in the o. s. c e monitoring mission and supportive means to you in the 1st russian invasion, 201415 and i had a written signed seat to how that unfolded. i was in ukraine actually in east ukraine and don bass when the bolts of a was was taken by the separatist just at the same time over by others in the agreement was being negotiated. ukrainian negotiators back in february 2015. they had their backs against the walls. i had to really make concessions of negotiating table because the bolts was taken, marable was threatened, yada, yada, yada, so and so forth. and the difference. now we weren't to pop rural,
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but slightly is the ukraine is built, they have the winds in their sales militarily. it's a very different war, so much bigger war. and my, my sort of conclusion, like i wrote the book, to explore some of the reasons and ways in which you could actually bring, bring this to an end in a longer term savvy. i don't think the misc formula is going to work now too much blood has been shed. sadly, i think some form of defacto, if not you're a politician, may actually be the outcome and, and just follow point on this or the analogy you actually draw is believe it or not cyprus, conflicts and a division which i think is escaped many people's active memories but there are some diplomatic fudges around what isn't, isn't sovereign territory, and how you deal with a failed in a partially successful invasion, taking some territory and, but the rest of it was, so i think a long way away from this though, i still think pre negotiations perhaps, but the ukrainians, going to want to explore the battle field, the fullest extent of that the occupation potentially if i can ask you like alex,
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out of just in the last minute we have a rough says view on meant to whether or not it would accept limited autonomy in areas such as crimea, and don't boss is there a way for me is never included crimea. so premier was always left all to from google. asians means to do it to is that because, well, that's what rossi is invaded because it's, it's decided that it was never going to be implemented. and it was never going to be committed because it will simply pop the 2 and popular in ukraine to be implemented. any president trying to plan to actually implement grill implemented would have been a 16 stiff political resistance within your grade. yes. so there before on the line and it's just it will and not anywhere near as well for negotiations. but the question is, where they are on the line, the front line will be where the negotiations, it should start probably in the years will be a couple of years time. i think that's what's always, always about you know,
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the facts on the grounds where the, the dividing line will, will, will be on that. and that does have to be our final line. many thanks. indeed, for joining us, alexander, take off some effort and robert hunter and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting all websites out there at dot com. and for further discussion tickets will facebook page that's facebook dot com slash ha inside story. it doesn't do any conversation on twitter. we are asked ha, inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here. ah ah .
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