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release sala i've been fucked up on tuesday. a today's show i should say, will look at the plight of egypt most well known dissident and the solidarity movement for the country's political prisoners. as always, we welcome you to be a part of this conversation by adding your comments and questions in our live youtube chat. the the british egyptian pro democracy activists ala fatah has spent most of the past decade behind bars. he was a major figure in egypt, january 25th, the revolution back in 2011. he has since been charged with violating protest laws and spreading false information and to protest his imprisonment. he has been on hunger strike for over 200 days. now is one of more than $60000.00 political prisoners in egypt, a figure denied by president of the fatah cc. with us to talk about all of this in london. when a safe human rights activists and sister of al, out in brussels,

thin by you, me, egypt, and libya researcher with amnesty international. and in washington dc, allison mcmanus research director with the freedom initiative. thank you all for being with us. when i want to start by asking you this friday, the 18th is the last day of cop 27. it's also a lot 41st birthday. this will be his 9th birthday in prison. i'm wondering how you're feeling today in this week after the combination of all the events ensure michelle renewal, or of course, to really the past 2 weeks in particular where they haul in the, in the, in the few months before i can put that 2 weeks where we had no news of him, he was computed community college and was just trying nightmare. but at least we got the note from yesterday, confirming that he has entity hunger strike,

looking forward to our mother's institution visit on this day. actually for the 1st time in 2 years, asking them to come with the invention of the greetings. breathy on giving us like a better feeling about uses mental well being. so a part of me is really, even though we don't know what happened during the week, so we don't know what the final decisions and the strike and we are, we think you'd be should be for the visit to understand how the house is really and what kind of medical he isn't in prison. so it's been quite that and we're but we're now i'm a lot more released that you know, he's alive. longer shy and my mother just to know more and and hopefully that news comes sooner rather than later. i know it's been very difficult

for many people trying to follow this case, which is why we're talking about it today. i want to ask you, alison, looking at what was happening on the ground and send me a shift. if you look at just this photo, for example, this is one of several protests in a certain area that was sort of made to allow for protests to happen there. they said, you know, there can be no climate justice without human rights. we've seen a lot of solidarity pouring in from from around the world. do you think enough is being done? are you optimistic and do you think there's been enough international pressure specifically from governments that are close to egypt like the u. k. u k. in the us . yeah, thanks so much. and it's a great question. i mean, as, as munna said, it's been a roller coaster. i mean, obviously for, for lots family. but for all of us to work in the human rights movement. on the one hand, we've seen absolutely unprecedented mobilization, unprecedented solidarity that's come from climate justice advocates from activists

like credit owenberg from influencers, celebrities, literally all over the world folks have been showing up wearing white, posting messages of solidarity. literally all i have been on egypt, except when it comes to the world leaders to we really hope or hearing the message . i mean, not just the message when it comes to centering human rights and foreign policy, but a message from their own constituents. i mean, i was in portsmouth, new hampshire, wearing white, you know, calling on joe biden to say the names of ella to see the names of many masha in so many others. unfortunately, we are quite disappointed in and i dare say even betrayed that those messages weren't delivered more forcefully when they had the platform to do so. and i appreciate you making that point. and when i saw you were nodding as alison was talking to say, and i'll come come to you in a moment, but when a, why were you nodding? and also i want to ask you specifically on the point of the new prime minister wishes to not today's before arriving to egypt for cop, he told your sister in

a letter that he would do everything to release allah. and then we saw him dodging the questions. and as we heard from allison, a lot of people saying not enough is being done. do you think enough being done? why were you nodding their? i was nodding because honestly i feel like a few overwhelmed with regards to getting to all over the world. and i feel like everyone is doing more than enough except the government support at n g o. ringback even leverage units try to everyone is doing an amazing job of making the world no and hear more about us about the 10s of thousands of political business initially. but the government are failing miserably. so far, what we have seen, even though more than one of the, was the, the pool of germany and buys and she's not communicate all of the mentioned. i mean, that's all we have the weather about or about other is not the government talk,

but the do not copy their talk was action to, to support their clean and to make sure human life is a priority. it's not just a point in the check to check out as were issued to neck. i was particularly disappointed because why he promised you everything to secure that it actually went to john. she had to turn to you was up at the point where we didn't even know if it was alive and he didn't even manage to secure her life or secure computer access to him. so not only doesn't deliver on his com, it is miss you to provide the minimum. right. and you know, the way you phrase it, they're very critical. a lot of people echoing those criticism, saying, i want to share with you someone who is of the gyptian origin from from australia who sent us this comment to listen to what nadine med could had to say. i think

that the campaign has exposed to many of us that we can no longer depend on leaders from the west to be the arbiters and the upholders of human rights in the international community. you know, we have the united states providing $1300000000.00 and military a to egypt every single year. and yet something you say on the other side we have in sci fi boasting about building the largest prison complex in egypt. more than history referring you to has not thrown, which was modeled on american style prisons and where and potentially other 60000 political prisoners are being held. you know, of course the focus now is i'm putting out it, ensuring that his family are able to visit him to communicate with him and that he's no longer being tortured by the warranties. but i think broadly we need to start asking for funding all this then last year egypt launched,

i believe it was called the national human rights strategy. amnesty of course, called this a shiny, cover up to obfuscate, to distract, to deceive the international community. is it working? i mean, you heard mana, kind of take the prime minister to task for not doing anything. why would that be happening in your opinion? well, i mean it's happening for very simple reasons at politics. our dollars agree about like not interested in addition. so from what you have seen so far, so that when we so coordinated public a. so it is last year when we saw a joint statement. so united nations human rights council from 33 countries, we saw that asian sources were very quick to react to that if they can, a number of limited measures, including the number of risk and prisoners it emergency. however, these measures have not been meaningful measures actually diverse what you can stop

it down or the human rights crisis in the country. what we have then seen after that is that all the heaters were quite happy with the limited measures presented by it. so it is while refusing to take any measures as it should be taken in context and also on, on the comments that you shared earlier. i mean, when we raise or when we are calling on a community to raise concerns about you memorizing or to ensure that human rights are it's a corner store or bilateral multi lateral relations with egypt. when we ask the international community to establish a monitoring and reporting mechanism on the human rights situation, we are not asking them just because of because you should be also bitter of human rights. but because this government in egypt is also to a large degree, it doesn't exist in back in existence. also supported receives from the international community right through loans to funding through arms a solution. and i believe i mentioned a strategy theory,

right. and so it's been a year now since it was issued and the reality is the strategy for human rights and made the decision gotten, it was, it was issued to provide another cosmetic change that was done nearly for the benefit of the western, the under western government. and if you ask any egyptians, nothing has changed in the kind of violation the fees they on a daily basis. you know what the status was on the opposite. it's a strategy went through these but, but all or a lot of quality. well, it didn't foreign politicians keep on referring to that this, it's an improvement, right? in truth, what's written in it is the same that is written in the egyptian constitution and the fact they are all income paper. they are not being up has 5, it's hard to the 1st day so it doesn't matter. we produce 5 more documents as long as they are breaking the law in practice and in action. right. and that's an

important i had allison go ahead. yeah, i was going to add, i mean to both of those excellent comments. i think, you know, we've seen sort of both both saying that they're true. one of the same said then very many school improvement. the few releases that we have seen, which we celebrate each and every one have only happened because of this, the sustained international pressure. the tragedy is that rather than world leaders saying ok, we need to step that up. we need to demand more. we need to ask for more, this is what our citizens are asking. yeah, that's what i'm asking of my government. what mine is asking of her government. they're actually saying, okay, that's good enough. that's good enough. let's back off of it. the day that biden was in sharm on november 11th people being arrested in the one i'm graham on that day. i'm glad you brought that up. i'm glad you brought that up and forgive me for interjecting but because you did, i mean, hundreds, i believe 400 since the beginning of cop have been arrested. i think if i'm not mistaken, one or 2 have in fact or 3 people have died in prison, you know,

due to lack of medical care and medical care. it's impossible to know the details. but i do want to ask you it and forgive me for putting it on the spot. i don't mean this to be in any way silly more now, but when you look at this image, if you look at my computer, this image of president biden and president cc exchanging a laugh, you know, walking hand in hand arm in arm. meanwhile, we've heard from president biden himself, as well as other former us officials, people like john kerry that the us is doing everything they can do. you believe that the u. s. is doing everything they can or that the u. k. is doing everything they can when you hear the statements more specifically, i know it was strategic to get the british citizenship has, has that, in your mind, proved to be effective at trying to bring more attention to his case and, and all the political prisoners. okay, so for the flow to it, it just highlights the hypocrisy we have to be with them

a be honestly neither by then nor cc it represent me or present human rights. nor are they are just, you know, presidents who are liable to pressure by the international community and by their own people. and we try and pressure them to upload the lo and to make sure he much priority for each and everyone understand it. but, but at the end of the day, they are additions, the serve their own agenda and be served their own business, these and then their own vision, the deck. and she doesn't. she does not include humanise nor equality and justice her regarding what they thought it was. it was not true as a strategic well going through. this is just paper work, but i'm not sure if it was specific and rather than our find a desperate attempt, right? not. we've been through the school for 9 years. every time i try and they come up

with a new case and charge for him. and the worst of it is that since 2019 we've been dealing with a level of violence and, and will probably have never experienced before. and torture our precinct off. can it abduction from gender prosecutor's office like horace, a critic violations that i would have never thought to be exposed to let alone be exposed to with that intensity? you are, you're talking about and you know, popular discourse and public discourse and, and social media and egypt is that the kind of harassment i know there's been an up uptake, sort of on, on targeting youth, specifically in your family or what are you referring to specifically so the, the, the sounds and campaigns on the, and the, and the ongoing campaigns on us on cushion easy. i don't speak media are kind of warm and you get used to been up to why they become a noise in the background. but what we have been dealing with actually since 2019 is actually by an actual environment in june 2020. when we were in front of sort of

prison trying to get information about it. they're up to, there was my communication with any prisoners because a lot lockdown open. can you just we were just up and go the light in front of the guard. now what's the next day when we went to the general office to, to, to file a complaint until the awkwardness detection instead of was actually opening up a full investigation into our tool. he actually allows the security to abducted it from in front of the office as you were speaking to prosecution ended up a year and a half. and so we're just dealing with, with the, you know, pressure and changing the getting online. but you're actually dealing with, with continue with and i, and we just shared that treat, referring to that incident where you were bruised and where people, you know, the physical violence, allison,

we share that with our audience. the reason i share that is because, you know, it's easy to pay attention to the story when the world to this pay attention because of cop but cop is ending soon. and i wonder, not just for why do you think is we heard from one of that he specifically has been made a target. each time he finishes a sentence, there are more trumped up charges. why are they going after a lot specifically? what is it about his character and his reputation and what he symbolizes in the context of freedom of expression and, and democracy in egypt? well, i think it's quite clear a lot symbolizes hope. hope that people could have a say in their governance, hope that people could have a say and how the economies around hope and not people could have a say in how the government deals with climate change for the revolution of 2011 was about hope. and that was something that was clearly felt by millions of egyptians who came to the streets and millions of people all over the world, including myself, that hope i think is the biggest threat that c c faces. that's why we see

crackdowns when there is any kind of calls for protest. and if, if a law is free, i think that everybody knows that's a, that's a symbolic sign that hope can win. and i do think that, you know, we still all hold that. and are hiring, and you will be free, but yeah, i maybe hope springs eternal. and it's an important message to remember in the context of those are revolutions that came and left. so very quick, real soon, i saw that you were nodding. i wanna play a video comment that we received before coming to from may is said, danny and i'm his eyes. he sort of accruing some of what you just outlined there allison to listen. i believe it has come to represent so much of what was special about egypt, january 25 revolution. he means something to egyptians who continue to fight for justice to activists from across the meaner region. learning from his example to technologists who've taken queues from his visionary writing. he has succeeded to

rally, rally international attention not only around him, but around the human rights abuses in egypt. so that symbol of hope that powerful voice deserves to be free. i'm sick that needs to go home to the son and hold him in his arms that pre has then when you hear that and knowing things like still valid alley his, his lawyer i last lawyer and making 3 unsuccessful attempts recently to try to visit his client in prison and you know, he had gained permission to do so from egypt, public prosecutor, which is what's so strange, you know, this complete lack of adherence to any sort of rule of law. no accountability. do you expect that once cop is over, once the world stop focusing on this, for as much as they are, then it will be, you know, more more of the same in egypt. are there any indications that there might be

pressure, whether externally or, or from whomever? sure. i mean, just to take a step back to i also want to comment on why and why i think, and it's for being targeted to that matter. and yet i'm speaking more more of a mix of is it also an international researcher? i mean, i think look, there is a, a july and fear it's lies and making everyone in the country afraid of voicing any sort of opinion. july's on silencing anyone's at their stand up. it relies on making everyone that there is to stand up to them as an example so that he can always be an example to anyone with theirs to raise their voice with their is to dream for the future. how there is to have hopes for a life where you can live freely and safely was out depression. i think, well, what i mean, and it says really means it's a others degree so far is that i don't particularly mean despite all the

government security, asians are shared. prisons are, you know, like all of these tools and all of this message. they have not managed to break is spirit and i think dollars degrees is also what is very scary to a government like that. present a city. i mean if you cannot force is feed or everyone in the knows that kind of continue in that manner. i think really alice bravery and his like, he has managed to recreate this global movement from inside. it was in a sense in like his, his dealer has become a prisoner of that. so i think after cop we, i mean actually not mean as good as going in and seeing and you have seen hundreds of wrists already over 600 sites are continue to be censored. so it's a situation of human rights. the human rights crisis in egypt is bigger than a mean. it will continue to go worse until we see coordinator and pressure from the

international community and effective measures here limited to a debt to impunity. and i appreciate you making those points. of course, it's worth remembering and reminding our audience that egypt i believe, is the 3rd largest jailer of german journalists. so there really is very little space for freedom of expression, whether locals on the ground or foreigners. and of course, your sister center was there at cop one. so i want to play for our audience what she had to say to the world to listen whenever we are that is needed. we don't care whether as an option or a british one way out we want to walk out of the title, has been trying to walk out of this fight for 9 years is either nether hospitalized . so if you're hospitalized in that facility in another facility, we don't know we need government to get closer. when on all honesty, i wonder, you know, for each of you having been jailed yourself yourself, your sister,

your mother. i mean, i wonder how you maintain the stamina. the hope when alison said that your brother symbolizes hope. earlier, i saw your face sort of a facial expression shift and i wonder where, where you find hope. and also in egypt, sprawling detention system which we heard some talking about. we know there's at least $60000.00 political prisoners there. is it true that families end up having to provide sort of food and other basic items to sustain these prisoners prisoners? is there any more transparency around? what's happening inside ok, so sources more correction. i was me and my mother were never sent you a receipt saying before forget me not i. the thing is you don't operate on hope. i don't think, i don't think who has a lot of faith in egypt right now. the reality is, this is, this is, charlotte was survive and were for me for my time and for everyone to be and, and,

and the only way we can do that is by continuing to hold on onto our voices and telling, go and are not. it's not because this is exactly what you're seeing, what the question i was also thinking about when you were talking now about why why is being targeted in such a manner. and just wanted to point out that it's not just there are a lot of political prisoners who are the james adamant of keeping them. and i think the main reason behind this is they are obsessed with breaking them and they are, they can all hustle. how can, how do they didn't pain parts of their store intact by prison? and i think this is really one of the, one of the what the, what the vision behind how this regime and the are intent on breaking people. and they want understand people who are the, onto the end of their story. again, all of the policy and fine,

and i want to thank you for speaking so bravely so candidly and for all of you joining us today. i do want to leave our audience with this tweet that i found quite inspired and how much fun posted this to twitter thing. there's a picture of him in his father thing for prisoners. birthdays are painful reminders of the years. the depression has robbed them of and he's turning 35 today wishing of course that for his dad and i like to be released. this is a story that we're going to continue to cover here. of course at the stream i want to to alice sent, saying and went for being with us. follow us at a stream dot l desert. i come on land. ah, ah.

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