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it contained, this is inside story. ah . hello and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. a missile strike in poland has raised fairs . the war in ukraine could spill over into neighboring countries, and that has the potential to pull the western military alliance nato, directly into the conflict. the strike kill 2 people in a polish village near the ukrainian border. now grain is blaming russia, but moscow says it had nothing to do with it. poland identifies the message as russian made, but both russia and ukraine have this weapon in their arsenals. early investigations just it may have been fired by ukrainian forces to intercept an incoming russian missile. helen's president says there is no evidence of suggest the attack was

deliberate throughout us to be sure i kept up. it was probably an es $300.00 rocket made in the soviet union, an old rocket, and there is no evidence that it was launched by the russian side. it is highly probable that it was fired by ukrainian anti aircraft defense and unfortunately fell on al territory on or poland as a member of nato, which held an emergency meeting in brussels. it's actually general says russia is ultimately to blame our preliminary analysis. so just thought the insolent will slightly caused by the ukrainian air defense me, soren, fired to the friends ukrainian territory against russian cruise missile attacks. but let me be clear, this is not ukraine's fault. russia bears ultimate responsibility and suit continuous. it's illegal war against ukraine

or back in the us announced it would open a permanent military base in poland to boost nita defenses in countries bordering ukraine. the alliance has added for new combat units in slovakia, romania, bulgaria, and hungry. just this week, germany announced it will establish a maintenance hub in slovakia to service and repair weapons. it has delivered to ukraine and since september, the slovak, our space is being protected by the check and polish air forces. that's after the country decided to phase out the use of it. soviet era make 29 fighters. moldova remains relatively neutral and closed its air space to the world when the invasion began and announced a state of emergency the on out let the bring in our gas than in belfast, we have alexander tittle, the lecturer in modern european history at queen's university, belfast. and

a specialist on russia in singapore summer perri, a visiting lecturer in war studies at king's college, london and author of the book rushed his road to war with ukraine and in washington, robert hunter, a former us ambassador to nato under president bill clinton. if i will welcome to all of you, a robot. if i could start with you, this is a day that many predicted would come the spillover of rushes war into nato territory. how have you rated the response? well, i'm not sure it really is a spillover of the war that implies something quite major. if you're grading missile that when of course, then it's actually rather minor matter. the re spot here has been very interesting . the president does not want to see escalation. if at all possible, he wants so russia to back off wants to support mr. zelinski and what he's doing in

ukraine 5 to have was the administration has kept his message very tightly controlled and has not gotten ahead of the facts. and this is a good thing because more than the actual matter that took place on polars territory is a symbolism, it has. and the heightened anxiety within various nato countries, mostly along the frontier with ukraine. and there might be a wider war. so it's just like a logical impact, which is far more important than the incident. it's so alexander, it does seem that russia has appreciated the calm response from the u. s. white one k. so far to say this is gone some way to improving trust between the 2 sides. know, the fact that americans are as,

as well. so it kind of at a careful message and they really, really reasonably assume they own assessments, which of course, they see everything. what happens with when the sausage flying from and so forth in this area? i suggested that they don't want explanation, but at the same time, the message is also coming very clear that all roches bearing else interest and stability. this is kind of a message which been kind of sent out by all the nato countries. and they basically, they this point in time, at least they're quite happy. the way things are going in the sense that they're happy to level of support for your brain. and how you brain is doing against russia so far. so other moment there's no reason for escalation. but the same time, this incident shows that you cannot always control escalation in these areas in this, in the circumstances. and of course, it's just a reminder that it is actually can aspire out of control quite easily between one

to enroll as well as between russia and ukraine. and well, how close do you think it was to spiraling out of control? i don't think at all was people had, despite his chance sofa assessment, most of the other l. i don't want to be engaged in. it's almost all of them and i was so called frog liner or just for their future. but given the uncertainties, various chancellor is within nato began to become more anxious as it started working to their own security arrangements. what this does illustrate, i think, is that nato, your west, et cetera, has been in an adequate and helping ukraine deal with incoming missiles, cruise murphy drowns, and cetera, which are now obviously designed to capitalize on his to her who has called general winter to try to black out ukraine during a very,

very difficult winter and also to send a message to west european countries and their own hate. and i just wonder could be directly or indirectly at rest. so what does not need is german airplanes. what is needed is high quality anti missile defenses, which the state has and should be should line. okay, we'll come back to that point in just a moment. festival submit, although mostly does seem to agree that this was this miss l was a miss, fire from ukraine. ukraine is still not accepting that. why knows? so the credibility of the air defense systems and this is the building on appointment robert maids. this is one of the most important defensive features of ukraine still standing in the war. and i think it's worth to remind yourself that

the area around the polish border has been targeted by the russians and then long distance missile strikes in the bus. one strike in particular, came to mind with us seen reason of this blasting painting that was on the 13th of marching in a place called yavari, which is just to the west of the b isn't ukraine, but not too far from the polish border. the russian says that they struck a hope for western military assistance being sent from nato, from poland into, into western ukraine to be dispersed in the wars. and so, you know, obviously this is a very well protective parts of ukraine given its importance as a hub. and i think the ukrainians will be really keen to signal all around that. this is not something that they can, they can fail to defense. and ukraine saying it once, immediate access to the impact site that it wants to be involved in the investigation discovery my therapy, if you can, what that investigation is going to look like and, and what more, it's going to tell us. i mean see the, the debris at the,

at the sort of source of the, of the fragmentation if, if it survive the bloss movie, the, some sort of fragments i, she survived the blast that might allow for a definitive conclusion to be drawn as to who's, who's miss all, it was a space if the ukraine is privately, won't to work out what had happened if it wasn't one of their defense missiles a may actually also be wondering what, what mistake was made or whether the missile system is triggered by accident, or perhaps what we're not here is that there is actually a response to an active russian strike or a threat of a russian strike. and i think there's a picture to be booked to put together by the ukrainians. well, you mentioned before that the blame alexander does, does still fit very squarely with russia. most leaders still saying this is russia's responsibility for thought the war in the 1st place. do you think that's acceptable in any way to russia? well i think they are going to be on, i mean, when the whole war started,

that was already a sign that they don't care about the west things. rice it's, it's a matter of who gets come on the battle ground. so that's a move to that stage. so there's no contract, there's no out trying to win hearts and minds and so forth on either side. but with this, i think that the criminal will be kind of mildly happy that you know, the 1st like which actually kills too much for us citizens will came from ukraine, relevant from russia, ukraine's reaction because quite interesting, as you said, the still insisting that it was ross of miss iowa and the secretary of a security council denila just said that you have proof that it was russia, even though you know, i think it's pretty clear. i mean, the, the, the pentagon wouldn't be saying if they had any doubt that it was you credit sauce if they had any doubt about it. so i think that you're going to play to really look out for that. because basically, the assumption is, let's just blend russia and we won't from this. and in fact the crane is not moving

on and see resisting or that kind of rush on for that. it was rushing me. so might go on to my needs understanding in the long term, but so we have to kind of be careful how to play it. and russia also has to be capital. i've doesn't, we've had to at least one rather unhelpful comment from the kremlin, from the former president to meet you met with who said earlier today that the explosion says that the west is moving closer to another world war. that's pretty inflammatory. well, i mean that's me do it if i can develop this random f o being very a vocal hawk on his telegram channel since the started yeah, but i mean, you know, that we keep the roster of course is that to keep out nature as much as possible from ukraine, including from supplies of weapons, if it's gamma and so forth. so yeah, that's rhetoric. it goes some ways to reminding what's at stake. but i think the

overall is a bit of extra happened because it's been awesome for little to say, but it was great and responsible will be, can be beneficial for russia. the way they say it's that it's actually a few grains bolt. and you can, can be trotted and so forth. there really is no appetite at all from nato countries. is that to escalate this war to enter it against russia? that's absolutely true. in fact, the fact of the national show are almost their materials. it was individual countries, new leaders make of it as an old clinical, on an american statecraft. no good crisis should go to waste from and out for the great news. however, this happened. this helps them illustrate to the west that unless there is greater help for ukraine in particular in its air defenses, are its defenses against missiles. this kind of thing can happen and it might just

might get out of control. so the ukraine, i think, very smart from their perspective to emphasize the escrow tory possibilities and to mr. murray to come as i put more or less the same category of the saber rattling brighton. mister potent over nuclear weapons. the use of nuclear weapons. this conflict is an absolute absurdity in the sense that it would be a miscalculate of, of the greatest order world history. so your question, what you have now stern messages to moscow overall are trying to bring reward to an end and also stopping up the supply of the high quality anti missile capacity to your credit. they submit, should we expect of ukrainians to, to increase their call for more of such weapons system high quality anti missile

systems? absolutely. and actually what be one is the lensky talk, talking points is focusing quite specifically on this issue of air and defense systems. clearly because ukrainian cities are the nowhere near the ground war, cities like the v, odessa, even key of now. a stooping, struck intermittently by these rushing long range weapons, a variety of rushing weapons. in fact, cruise missiles, all the way to these cycle kamikaze drawing supplied by the iranians. so there is a clear defensive need. i would say that with that comes the obvious, hasn't that you're packing in into the cities in these areas. lots of a defense system song which may be from different countries because some may come from the usa. some may come from some of these over to the russian stall as 30400 systems. and so there's a huge need as well of ukrainians to maintain a situational awareness, to make sure that they're not here foreign, these things by accident because that can happen and what goes up must come down.

and i think that's one of the, the lessons, the obvious lessons from this particular. it's a tragedy in poland. and that's an interesting point somewhere because russia did actually say today that tuesday strikes on the residential areas of cave. well, actually ukraine anti aircraft missiles again, misfiring, and do you think there was any truth in that or they'd, leaping on today's misfire to excuse all the other missile strikes from yesterday? i think lori itself really critical point, which is the sort of counter claims. the claims of miss attribution russians are of course, pos. moss is a message message, repeating things on purpose. and it's interesting with the boston, poland. there's almost a sense that the russian foreign minister is trying to print, portray this is a ukraine false flag operation to draw the poles in, i guess, jordan a. so when i think once we have to take these things, very skeptically in terms of how the russians frame, what's happening,

that information war, that messaging conflict, this is a part of the conflicts unfolding and parallel to the media issues of the destination and actually causing loss of life, how the war is framed by science, and indeed the media space is a really important point because this is probably one of the most coveted conflicts ever. technology is moved on, so we see a loss for multiple angles. use a footage and everything else. really important aspects. i think that's important. alexander, how close you know, following the state media media in russia. how is this incident being covered that i think it's kind of, they were very quick to make the point that it was a credit miss, i'll even before the official statements from nature and so forth. but and, you know, they, they blame, give, i mean that the doing all the points and all the change in rhetoric for all the new shows on. so that was ross and miss, i'll figuring i'd go forward to getting out of 5, you know,

making it really the case and then saying when it's done out to be ukrainian is i all the way it says like, nothing, nothing to say here. let's move on, it's a rough hold anyway, even if you can. is it? so for them it's because it's a, it's a big program to, we know there's no question about it. you know, for internal consumption. i don't think it makes a difference in international and because the nature of support free credit will not be affected by incidence like letters such as this, but the mystical, yes, it is. a big interaction probably mentioned before that the u. s. as mounts is going to open a permanent military base in poland. that's to boost native defenses in those countries that a bordering ukraine is. it's enough to get that permanent base in poland to defend for, to deflect an instance like this happening again. well no, i don't think it has any direct impact on ro, this is the a not is showing reinforcement psychologically as much as anything else to affected

nato countries. based might be rower in terms of helping to maintain equipment spaniards in your grant. but it's really basically what one has to be very careful on both sides as it really comes out, or another point which is at what point does one start working on what's called war termination? at what point i, ukraine demonstrated that russia will not prevail. and at one point, while mr. brewton feels a claim, and he is validated what he called, or is elementary objectives in he has special motor operation, which relates to essential a russian speaking part of, of ukraine, including a crimea. the important thing now is for wise people to start thinking about, how are you trying to bring it to a halt in ways that will meets

a minimal objective about size. and the answer is no part can be found and documented already. this is called missed to a minute to explain more. oh miss true said in fact, i wish you'd grieve between russia and ukraine with the germans of friendship involved. we were not enrolled, that there should be some form of limited autonomy for the areas in south 1000, southeastern ukraine that are now under combat. and under contention, they reside crime in neither ukraine or russia followed through agreement. but at least there has been discussions of what could i can outcome in ultimately what, what you're going to have to have is the cranium having sovereignty over everything that's out to people in these areas, having

a chance to live in which they can use directional language and so, so what were russian soldiers after get out? are good crane cow. we are already in pray, negotiations, negotiations. you can hear what the average pay says, what soleski said, even some things that are being said with the russian side of one of the questions, just how much damage will continue to be done in the ukraine during this winter. how much damage to the grid, sense supply, heat, and cetera, before serious negotiated, when they get on is these attacks against the grid aren't client in par, or a potent to establish a more preferential and negotiating stance. but we're already in predict oceans. ok somehow. what's your response says the big picture for a moment, the end of the war. how does it come about is meant to the way to go. i mean,

it suggests that ukraine must be open to negotiations, but saying pre negotiations are already happening. of ukraine strenuously denies that, as it is not in a place where it is ready to open any kind of talks with the russians. what is the ukrainian possession have very quickly on, on minsk to so i worked in the o. s. c e monitoring mission and supportive means to you in the 1st russian invasion, 201415. and, you know, i had a written signed seat to how that unfolded. i was in ukraine actually in east ukraine and don bass when the bolts of was, was taken by the separatist just at the same time over and others in the agreement was being negotiated. ukrainian negotiators back in february 2015. they had their backs against the walls, i had to really make concessions of negotiating table because the bolts was taken, marable was threatened, yada, yada, yada, so and so forth. and the difference now we weren't apart from that slightly. is the

ukrainians built, they have the winds in their sales militarily. it's a very different war, so much bigger war. and my, my sort of conclusion, like i wrote the book, to explore some of the reasons and ways in which you could actually bring, bring this to an end in a longer term savvy. i don't think the misc formula is going to work now too much blood has been shed. sadly, i think some form of de facto if not, you're a politician, may actually be the outcome and, and just follow point on this laura. the analogy you actually draw is, believe it or not cyprus, conflicts and a division which i think is escaped many people's active memories. but there are some diplomatic fudges around what isn't, isn't sovereign territory, and how you deal with a failed in a partially successful invasion. taking some territory and what the rest of it was . so i think a long way away from this though, i still think pre negotiations perhaps, but the ukrainian going to want to explore the battlefield, the fullest extension of the occupation, potentially if i can ask you like alex,

out of just in the last minute we have a rough says view on meant to whether or not it would accept limited autonomy in areas such as crimea. and don't boss is there a way for me is never included crimea. so premier was always like all to from google. asians means to do it to is that because, well, that's what russia is invaded because it's, it's decided that it was never going to be implemented. and it was never going to be committed because it will simply pop the 2 and popular in ukraine to be implemented. any president trying to plant it, actually implement grill implemented? would have been a 16 stiff political resistance within your grade. yes, so bear with one line and it's just, it will answer not anywhere near as well for negotiations. but the question is, where they are on the line. the front line will be where the negotiations, it should start probably in the years on a couple of years time. i think that's what we're always always about, you know,

of facts on the ground where the, the dividing line will, will, will be on that. so that, that does have to be our final line. many thanks indeed, joining us, alexander, take off summer worry and robert hunter and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's out there at dot com. and for further discussion tickets will facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can have to join the conversation on twist and we are at ha, inside story from me laura kyle and the whole team here. ah ah. and

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