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chang is following developments from bangkok. there is another explanation to however, the and i think people in museum. i have been expecting this for a couple of weeks. they think that mir most military leaders are trying to and to the girls and political prisoners because they want to be able to say that the elections they're going to hold next year will be free. and 3rd is probably a combination of both mere ma has so far resisted all attempts at international pressure to kind of ease the situation that's developed since the coo. this may be a small concession, but they are very clearly focused on those elections. next year, canyon forces have arrived and democratic republic of congo to help in the battle against an armed group. m. 23 fight is a widely understood to be backed by wonder. although kigali denies the allegations . republicans of 1218 seats in the us house of representatives. it gives them just enough to control the chamber with 6 other seats still being counted. while the
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week after the midterm elections, the democrats have $211.00 seats so far. the has justice department will proceed with criminal probes against donald trump. despite his bid to run for president again in 2024 is being investigated for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election results and for keeping classified government documents at his estates. those are headlines are we back with more news on al jazeera after the stream we understand the differences and similarities of cultures across the world. so no matter what lucy, al jazeera will bring you the news, and current affairs that matter to you. out is in europe. ah, i welcome to the stream i manage aberdeen. can the human rights campaign during cop
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27 help release of that fatigue on today's show will look at the plight of egypt most well known dissident and the solidarity movement for the country's political prisoners. as always, we welcome you to be part of this conversation by adding your comments and questions and our live you to chat with the british egyptian pro democracy activists allah, that fatah has spent most of the past decade behind bars. he was a major figure in egypt, january 25th, the revolution back in 2011. he has since been charged with violating protest laws and spreading false information and to protest his imprisonment. he has been on hunger strike for over 200 days. now allah is one of more than $60000.00 political prisoners in egypt. a figure denied by president ogden, fatah cc. with us to talk about all of this in london. when a safe, a human rights activists and sister of al, out in brussels sin by you, me, egypt,
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and libby a researcher with amnesty international. and in washington dc, allison mcmanis research director with the freedom initiative. i think you all for being with us when i want to start by asking you this friday. the 18th is the last day of cop 27. it's also a lot 41st birthday. this will be his 9th birthday in prison. i'm wondering how you're feeling today in this week after the culmination of all the events and ensure michelle mineral, or of course, to really the past 2 weeks in particular where the hog was in the, in the, in the few months before and the 2 weeks where we had no news of him, us confusion you can because one was what just trying nightmare. but at least we got the note from him yesterday, confirming that he has entities hunger, stripe,
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looking forward to our mother's institution, visit on thursday, actually for the 1st time in 2 years, asking them to come with the invention of the greetings, breathy. so on i'm getting like you bet you're feeling. ready about uses mental well being so a part of me is really even though we don't know what's happening, doing these to meet so we don't know what that finally, decisions and try. and we are, we think patients, me for the visit to understand how his house is really and what kind of medical he isn't in prison. so yes, it's been quite that and we had shipped but we're now at ease and i'm a lot more relieved that you know, he's alive, hunger strike and my mother just to know more and and hopefully that news comes sooner rather than later. i know it's been very difficult for many people trying to
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follow this case, which is why we're talking about it today. i want to ask you other than looking at what was happening on the ground and said, michelle, if you look at just this photo, for example, this is one of several protests in a certain area that was sort of made to allow for protests to happen. there they said, you know, there can be no climate justice without human rights. we've seen a lot of solidarity pouring in from, from around the world. do you think enough is being done? are you optimistic and do you think there's been enough international pressure specifically from governments that are close to egypt like the u. k. u k, in the us? yeah, thanks so much. and it's a great question. i mean, as, as munna said, it's been a roller coaster, i mean, obviously for, for lots family. but for all of us to work in the human rights movement. on the one hand, we've seen absolutely unprecedented mobilization, unprecedented solidarity that's come from climate justice advocates from activists
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like credit owenberg from influencers, celebrities, literally all over the world folks have been showing up wearing white, posting messages of solidarity. literally all i have been on egypt, except when it comes to the world, leaders to we really hope are hearing the message. i mean, not just the message when it comes to centering human rights and foreign policy, but a message from their own constituents. i mean, i was in portsmouth, new hampshire, wearing light, you know, calling on joe biden to say the names of ally, to say the names of many masha and so many others. and unfortunately, we are quite disappointed and i dare say even betrayed that those messages weren't delivered more forcefully when they had the platform to do so. i appreciate you making that point. and when i saw you were nodding as alison was talking to say, and i'll come come to in a moment, but when i, why were you nodding? and also i want to ask you specifically on the point of the new prime minister richie soon, i could days before arriving to egypt for cop. he told your sister in
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a letter that he would do everything to release allah. and then we saw him dodging the questions and as we heard from allison, a lot of people saying not enough is being done. do you think enough being done? why were you nodding their? i was nodding because honestly i feel like a few overwhelmed with the city that you're getting from all over the world. and i feel like everyone is doing more than and not accept the government's humanise, to support the people n g o leverage unit and try to as we want to doing amazing job, making the world. no, i hear more about about the 10s of thousands of prisoners initially, but the government are failing miserably. so far, what we have seen, even though more than one of the, was the, the pool of germany and buys and call. she's not communicate. all of the mentioned by name all we have seen, whether about it or about other is not the government talk,
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but the do not copy their talk was action to, to support their clean and to make sure human life is a priority. it's not just a point in a check to check out as soon as i was particularly disappointed because why he promised to do everything to secure that it actually went to john. she 120 k was up at a point where we didn't even know if it was alive and even even managed to secure her life or secure computer access to him. so not only does she deliver on his comment is ms. lee to provide the minimum right and, you know, the way you phrase that they're very critical, a lot of people echoing those criticism. thing i want to share with you someone who's the gibson origin from, from australia who sent us this comment. take a listen to what nadine med could had to say. i think the campaign has
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exposed to many of us that we can no longer depend on leaders from the west to be the arbiters and the upholders of human rights in the international community. you know, we have the united states providing $1300000000.00 and military a to egypt every single year. and yet something you say on the other side we have in c, c, boasting about building the largest prison complex. in egypt, more than history referring you to has not thrown, which was modeled on american style prisons and where the and potentially other 60000 political prisoners are being held. you know, of course the focus now is i'm putting it interesting that his family are able to visit him to communicate with him and that he's no longer being tortured by the author, warranties. but i think broadly we need to start asking who is on the all this and last year egypt launched,
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i believe it was called the national human rights strategy. amnesty of course, called this a shiny, cover up to obfuscate, to distract, to deceive the international community. is it working? i mean, you heard mona kind of take the prime minister to, to task for not doing anything. why would that be happening in your opinion? well, i mean, it's happening for very simple reasons. that politics are dollars agree about like i'm not interested in addition. so from what you have seen so far, so that when we so coordinated public a, it is last year when we saw a joint statement. so united nations humanize council from 33 countries, we sources, asian sources were very quick to react to that. they have taken a number of limited measures including a number of political prisoners emergency. however, these measures have not been meaningful measures, actually diverse what you can stop it down or to the human rights crisis in the
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country. what we have then seen after that is that all the peters were quite happy with the limited measures presented by se so it is while refusing to take because then the measures as it should be taken in the context is just one comment. also on that point on to comment that you shared earlier. i mean, when we raise or when we are calling on a community to raise concerns about human rights or to ensure that human rights are it's a cornerstone or bilateral, multilateral relations with each other. we ask the international community to establish monitoring and reporting mechanism on the human rights situation. we're not asking them just because of because you should be all set for human rights. but because there's government and it is also to a large degree, it doesn't exist. in fact, in existence also was a supporter receives from the interest of the community right through loans to funding who arms actually sit and play varmint on strategy to really. right.
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and so it's been a year now since it was issued and the reality is the strategy for human rights. and maybe there's a government issued to provide another cosmetic change that was done nearly for the benefit of the western and western government. and if you ask any egyptians, nothing has change in the kind of violations the fees they on the basis. what do you know what state are in detention on the street opposite it after this strategy was released? but on a lot of fun, it's one additional foreign politicians. keep on referring to it as if it's, it's an improvement, right? into what's written in it is it is the same that is written in the edition constitution and the fact they are all incom paper the are not being up had by there's a little hard to the 1st day. so it doesn't much of the produce 5 more documents as long as they are breaking it in practice. any action. right?
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and that's an important i had allison go ahead. yeah, i was gonna add, i mean to both of those excellent comments. i think, you know, we've seen sort of both, both things are true one as the same said. then very many school improvements. the few releases that we have seen, which we celebrate each and every one have only happened because of the sustains international pressure. the tragedy is that rather than world leaders saying ok, we need to step that up. we need to demand more. we need to ask for more. this is what our citizens are asking again, that's what i'm asking of my government. what mom is asking of her government, they're actually saying ok, that's good enough. that's good enough. let's back off of it for the day that biden was in sharm on november 11th. yeah. people being arrested in the stroke. one of them on that day. i'm glad you brought that up. i'm glad you brought that up and forgive me for interjecting but because you did, i mean, hundreds, i believe 400 since the beginning of cop have been arrested. i think if i'm not mistaken, one or 2 have in fact or 3 people have died in prison, you know, due to
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a lack of medicare medical care. it's impossible to know the details. but i do want to ask you and forgive me for putting it on the spot. i don't mean this to be in any way. so cindy mona, but when you look at this image, if you look on my computer, this image of president biden and presidency exchanging alive, you know, walking hand in hand arm in arm. meanwhile, we've heard from president biden himself, as well as other, you know, former us officials, people like john kerry that the u. s. is doing everything they can do. you believe that the u. s. is doing everything they can or that the u. k. is doing everything they can when you hear the statements, mana, and specifically, i know it was strategic to get ala. the british citizenship has, has that in your mind, proved to be effective and trying to bring more attention to his case and, and all the political prisoners. ok. so for the flow to it, it just highlights the hypocrisy. we have to be with them to be honestly neither by
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them nor represent me or present human rights. nor are they are just, you know, presidents who are liable to pressure by the international community, by their own people. and we try and pressure them to upload below and make sure he much priority for each and everyone understand it. but, but at the end of the day, they are additions, the serve their own agendas and be served their own business, these and then their own vision, the back. and she doesn't, she does not include human life, nor equality and justice her regardless of what they thought it was, it was, i'm not sure is a strategic well going through this paper work, but i'm not sure if it was strategic and rather than our final desperate attempt right? not, we've been through the who for 9 years, every time i finish this child and they come up with a new case and charge for him. and the worst of it is that since 2019 we've been
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dealing with a level of buying and, and, and policy we have never experienced before at torture. our be think off. can it abduction from gender prosecutor's office like horace, a critic violation that i would have never thought to be exposed to let alone be exposed to with that intensity? and you are, you're talking about and you know, popular discourse and public discourse and social media and egypt is that the kind of harassment i know there's been an up uptake, sort of on, on targeting youth, specifically in your family, or what are you referring to specifically so the, the, the sounds and campaigns on the, and the, and the ongoing campaigns on us on cushion easy, i don't speak media are kind of when norm and you get to uses and also why they become a noise in the background. but what we have been dealing with actually since 201919, is actually by an actual environment in june 2020. when we were in front of sort of
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prison trying to get information about it. there. there was my communication with any prisoners because it was locked down open. can you just we were sent a group of sunday up in the light in front of the guard. and now what's to be the next day when we went to the general of the q 2 to file a complaint and awkwardness protection instead of was actually opening up a full investigation into our tool. actually allow security to abducted it from in front of the office as you were speaking to each prosecutor and ended up a year and a half in business. so we are just dealing with with, i don't, you know, pressure and changing their getting online, but we were actually dealing with, with continue with and i, and we just shared the treat, referring to that incident where you were bruised and where people, you know, the physical violence allison, we share that with our audience. the reason i share that is because, you know,
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it's easy to pay attention to the story when the world to this pay attention because of cop with copies ending soon. and i wonder, not just for why do you think, as we heard from one of that he specifically had been made a target. each time he finishes a sentence, there are more trumped up charges. why are they going after i last specifically? what is it about his character and his reputation and what he symbolizes in the context of freedom of expression and, and democracy in egypt? well, i think it's quite clear a lot symbolizes hope. hope that people could have a say in their governance, hope that people could have a say and how the economies around hope and that people could have a say. and how the government deals with climate change for the revolution of 2011 was about hope. and that was something that was clearly felt by millions of egyptians who came to the streets and millions of people all over the world, including myself, that hope i think is the biggest threat that see faces. that's why we see
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crackdowns when there is any kind of calls for protest. and if, if a law is free, i think that everybody knows that's a, that's a symbolic sign that hope can win. and i do think that, you know, we still all hold that. and there are hundreds and you will be free, but yeah, i maybe hope springs eternal. and it's an important message to remember in the context of those are revolutions that came and left. so very quickly. and i saw that you were nodding, i wanna play a video comment that we received before coming to from may, said danny, at his eyes, he sort of doing some of what you're just online there. allison to listen trying to add it has come to represent. so much of what was special about egypt, january 25 revolution. he means something to egyptians who continue to fight for justice to activists from across the mina region. learning from his example to technologists who have taken queues from his visionary writing. he has succeeded to
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rally, rally international attention, not only around him, but around the human rights abuses in egypt. so that symbol of hope, that powerful voice deserves to be free. i'm sick that needs to go home and hold him in his arms. that pre has in when you hear that and knowing things like still valid alley his, his lawyer i last lawyer and making 3 and successful attempts recently to try to visit his client in prison and you know, he had gained permission to do so from egypt. public prosecutor, which is what's so strange, you know, this complete lack of adherence to any sort of rule of law, no accountability. do you expect that once copies over, once the world stop focusing on this, for as much as they are, then it will be, you know, more more of the same in egypt. are there any indications that there might be pressure, whether externally or, or from whom, whomever. so, i mean, just to take
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a step back to i also want to comment on why, why i think, and it's for being targeted manner. and yet i'm speaking more of a mix of is it also an international researcher? i mean, i think a july and fear israelites and making everyone in the country afraid of voicing any sort of opinion, july's on silencing anyone's at their stand up. it lies on making everyone that there is to stand up to them as an example so that you can always be an example to anyone there is to raise their voice what there is to dream for the future. there is to have hopes for a life where you can live freely and safely was out depression. i think, well, what i mean and it says really means it's a others degree so far is that i don't particularly mean despite all the
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government security, asians are sure. and you know, like all of these tools and all dismissal, they have not managed to break a spirit. and i think a lot of degrees is also what is very scary to a government like because at present of the i see, i mean, if you cannot force this field, everyone in the knows that can continue in that manner. i think really alice bravery and his, he has managed to recreate this global movement from inside is, was in a sense, you know, like, his sailor has become, is a prisoner of that. so i think after we, i mean, actually not, i mean as good as going to mean allison seeing you have seen hundreds of wrists already over 600 sites continue to be censored. so it's a situation of human rights or human rights christ in egypt is bigger than i mean, it will continue to go worse until we see coordinated pressure from the international community that measures limit and should i like debt to,
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to any change. i appreciate you making those points. of course, it's worth remembering and reminding our audience that egypt i believe, is the 3rd largest jailer of germany, journalists. so there really is very little space for freedom of expression, whether locals on the ground or foreigners. and of course your sister senate was there at cobb i'm when i so i want to play for our audience what she had to say to the world. take a listen. but as we are that is needed. i don't care whether as michigan or is that british walked way out. we want to walk out of despite been trying to walk out of the spike for 9 years. he is either dead or hospitalized. so is you hospitalized in that facility? is he in another facility? we don't know, hey, we need the government to get conser access. when i in all honesty, i wonder, you know, for each of you having been jailed yourself yourself, your sister, your mother. i mean, i wonder how you maintain the stamina,
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the hope. but when alison said that your brother symbolizes hope earlier, i saw your face sort of a facial expression shift. and i wonder where, where you find hope. and also in egypt, sprawling detention system which we heard santa talking about. we know there's at least $60000.00 political prisoners there. is it true that families end up having to provide sort of food and other basic items to sustain these prisoners prisoners? is there any more transparency around? what's happening inside ok, so sources more correction. i was me and my mother were never sent you a receipt saying before or give me forgive me. no i i the thing is you don't operate on hope. i don't think, i don't think who has a lot of pain in egypt right now. the reality is, this is, this is a straw, this was survive and were for me for my time, for everyone to be and, and,
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and the only way we can do that is by continuing to hold on living onto our voices and selling our story and, or not because this is exactly what you're seeing, what the question i was also thinking about when you were talking about why why ad is being targeted in such a manner. and i just wanted to point out that it's not just there are a lot of political prisoners who are the james adamant of keeping them. and i think the main reason behind this is they are obsessed with breaking them and they are, they cannot hossa. how can, how do they didn't again, parts of the story in taxes by prison. and i think this is really one of the, one of the, what the motivation behind how the regime and the, the, are in pence on breaking people. and they want understand people who are the onto the end of their story. again, all of this and i want to thank you for speaking so bravely so candidly and for all
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of you joining us today. i do want to leave our audience with this tweet that i found quite inspired and how much so fun. posted this to twitter saying there's a picture of him and his father, thing for prisoners. birthdays are painful reminders of the years that oppression has robbed them. of and he's turning $35.00 today wishing of course that for his dad and i like to be released. this is the story that we're going to continue to cover here. of course, at the stream. i want to thank you, alice sent, saying on one of her being with us, follow us and streamed on al jazeera dot com online. ah, motivated and more politically engaged than ever before. demanding change on their own terms. welcome to generation change. a global theory, the attempt to understand, i'm telling you i gave that mobilize youth around, well,
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