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seamless fans representing the host country came out on top to the gulf nation is 50th and will rankings. so there's only an outside chance, the realty bully their country to victory. these ben say they won't give up hope. ah, you're watching al jazeera, these are the headlines this. our russia has phased criticism at a un security council meeting after a miss. i landed in poland, nato and poland safe. likely the weapon was fired as part of ukrainian air defenses . 2 people were killed when it hit polish territory. the u. s. says russia is ultimately to blame, learn because it invaded ukraine. there are reports coming in of russian missile strikes across ukrainian cities. the southern region of odessa and the city of denay pro have been targeted for the 1st time in wakes. china,
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how has more from the capital king some reports suggesting that up to 50 missiles have been launched, have been sent up into the air. raid sirens went off about an hour ago. according to the app, we used to monitor these things. those sirens were active in every region of the country. and indeed, within the last hour we believe we've heard a missile over flying ki, of here and the city administration, or city military administration here. and keep saying that 2 missiles of the intercepted here in the capital and additional information suggesting that to show he drones have also been intercepted here in the capital with unconfirmed reports. that drones were launched from the teller a territory of barrows. water supply for the world's poor has been a major talking points at the club $27.00 climate summit, but a gas gauge facing its 5th consecutive year with drought. water supplies have dried up and crops have failed, causing
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a 3rd crisis. me and my military has frayed 6000 prisoners, including for foreigners. it's part of an annual m. s. d mark and national de leon . my has been in political turmoil in the military stage. a crew lost a tiny chang is following developments from bangkok and says me and my military rule is maybe trying to make a political statement ahead of elections. i think people in b m, i have been expecting this for a couple of weeks. they think that mamma's military lead is a trying to end to the jails of political prisoners because they want to be able to say that the elections they're going to hold next year will be free and fair. it's probably a combination of both. mamma has so far resisted all attempts at international pressure to kind of ease the situation that develop since the coo. this may be a small concession, but they are very clearly focused on those elections next year. republicans have 1218 states in the us house of representatives. this is them just enough to control
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the chamber with 6 of the states still bank counted. meanwhile, the justice department will proceed with criminal investigations into donald trump despite he's been to run for president again in 2020 full champ is being investigated for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election and keeping classified documents. those are the headlines. i'm emily angle in the nice continues here on al jazeera after the strain to stay with us. ah ah, i welcome to the stream i had 17. can it's human rights campaign during cop $27.00
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. help release of that fatigue on today's show will look at the plight of egypt most well known dissident and the solidarity movement for the country's political prisoners. as always, we welcome you to be part of this conversation by adding your comments and questions in our live you tube chat. ah. the british egyptian pro democracy activists, iowa, has spent most of the past decade behind bars. he was a major figure in egypt, january 25th, the revolution back in 2011. he has since been charged with violating protest laws and spreading false information and to protest his imprisonment. he has been on hunger strike for over 200 days. now is one of more than $60000.00 political prisoners in egypt, a figure denied by president of the fatah cc. with us to talk about all of this in london. when i say for human rights activists and sister of out in brussels, thin but you, me,
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egypt and libya researcher with amnesty international. and in washington, d. c. allison mcmanus, research director with the freedom initiative. thank you all for being with us. when i want to start by asking you this friday, the 18th is the last day of cop 27. it's also a lot 41st birthday. this will be his 9th birth in prison. i'm wondering how you're feeling today in this week after the combination of all the events in sherman's share renewal, or of course, to really the past 2 weeks particular where they haul in the, in the, in the few months before i can eat the 2 weeks where we had no news of him, he was computed community college and was just trying nightmare. but at least we got the note from him yesterday, confirming that he has ended, he hunger strike, looking forward to our mothers institution,
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visit their state actually for the 1st time and 2 years, asking them to come with the invention of the briefings, breathy, so on. i'm getting like you bet you're feeling about at least being a part of me as you leave, even though we don't know what's happening. doing nice to meet so we don't know what that finally, decisions and try and we are we think you'd be for the visit to understand how the house is really and what kind of medicaid isn't in prison. so yes, it's been quite that and we're just but we're now i'm a lot more released that you know, these are live longer stripe and my mother just to seem to know more and and hopefully that news comes sooner rather than later. i know it's been very difficult
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for many people trying to follow this case, which is why we're talking about it today. i want to ask you other than looking at what was happening on the ground and send me a shift. if you look at just this photo, for example, this is one of several protests in a certain area that was sort of made to allow for protests to happen there. they said, you know, there can be no climate justice without human rights. we've seen a lot of solidarity pouring in from from around the world. do you think enough is being done? are you optimistic and do you think there's been enough international pressure specifically from governments that are close to egypt like the u. k. u k. in the us . yeah, thanks so much and it's a great question. i mean as, as mama said, it's been a roller coaster. i mean, obviously for, for his family. but for all of us to work in the human rights movement. on the one hand, we've seen absolutely unprecedented mobilization, unprecedented solidarity that's come from climate justice advocates from activists like credit owenberg from influencers, celebrities,
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literally all over the world folks have been showing up wearing white, posting messages of solidarity. literally all i have been on egypt, except when it comes to the world, leaders to we really hope are hearing the message. i mean, not just the message when it comes to entering human rights and foreign policy, but a message from their own constituents. i mean, i was in portsmouth, new hampshire, wearing white, you know, calling on joe biden to say the names of ella to say the names of many masha so many others. and unfortunately, we are quite disappointed and i dare say even betrayed that those messages weren't delivered more forcefully when they had the platform to do so. and i appreciate you making not point. and when i saw you were nodding as alison was talking, saying, i'll come, come to you in a moment, but when, why were you nodding? and also i want to ask you specifically on the point of the new prime minister. she's tonight, today's before arriving to egypt for cop, he told your sister in
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a letter that he would do everything to release allah and then we saw him dodging the questions. and as we heard from allison, a lot of people saying not enough is being done. do you think enough being done? why were you nodding their? i was nodding because honestly i feel like a few overwhelmed with the city that you're getting through all over the world. and i feel like everyone is doing more than enough except the government's humanise to support the people n g o even leverage unit try to everyone is doing an amazing job of making the world. no, i hear more about about the 10s of thousands of political business initially. but the government are failing miserably. so far, what we have seen, even though more than one of the world, read the pool of germany and buys and call. she's not communicate all of the mentioned. i mean that's all we have the weather about or about other is not the
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government talk, but the do not copy their talk was action to, to support their clean and to make sure human life is a priority. it's not just a point in a check to check out as soon as i was particularly disappointed because why he promised to do everything to secure that it actually went to charm. she kind of turned to you was up at a point where we could. ready even know if i was alive and even even manage to secure her life or secure computer access to it. so not only doesn't deliver on his comment is ms. lee to provide the minimum. right. and you know, the way you phrase it, they're very critical. a lot of people echoing those criticism thing i want to share with you someone who's the gyptian origin from from australia who sent us this comment. take a listen to what nadine med could had to say. i think that the campaign has exposed to many of us that we can no longer depend on leaders from the west to be
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the arbiters and the upholders of human rights in the international community. you know, we have the united states providing $1300000000.00 and military a to egypt every single year. and yet something you say on the other side we have in c, c, boasting about building the largest prison complex. in egypt, more than history referring you to has not thrown, which was modeled on american style prisons and where the and potentially other 60000 political prisoners are being held. you know, of course the focus now is i'm putting out it, ensuring that his family are able to visit him to communicate with him and that he's no longer being tortured by the warranties. but i think broadly we need to start asking for funding all this. and last year egypt launched,
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i believe it was called the national human rights strategy. amnesty of course, called this a shiny, cover up to obfuscate, to distract, to deceive the international community. is it working? i mean, you heard mana, kind of take the prime minister to task for not doing anything. why would that be happening in your opinion? well, i mean, it's happening for very simple reasons. that politics are dollars agree about like you're not interested. in addition, so from what you have seen so far so that when we so coordinated public a, it is last year when we saw a joint statement. so united nations humanize council from 33 countries we saw as, as ation sources were very quick to react to that they have taken a number of limited measures including a number of political prisoners emergency. however, these measures have not been meaningful measures, actually diverse even stop it down or the human race crisis in
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a country. what we have then seen after that is that all the heaters were quite happy with the limited measures presented by se so it is while refusing to take any measures as it should be taken in the context, is just one comment. also on the comment that you shared earlier, i mean, when we raise or when we are calling on a community to raise concerns about human rights or to ensure that human rights are it's a corner store or a bilateral multi lateral relations with each we ask the international commute to establish a monitoring and reporting mechanism on the human rights situation. we're not asking them just because of because you should be all set for human rights. but because this government in egypt is also to a large degree, it doesn't exist and vacuum exists is also a supporter receives from the international community right through loans to funding to arms actually shit. and i believe i mentioned a strategy theory,
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right. and so it's been a year now since it was issued and the reality is the strategy for human rights. and maybe there's a government issued to provide another cosmetic change that was done nearly for the benefit of the western see and western governments. and if you ask any egyptians, nothing has change in the kind of violations the fees date on a daily basis. what do you know what state are in detention on the street opposite it after this strategy was released? but on i or a lot of fun, it's one additional foreign point additions. keep on referring to it as if it's, it's an improvement. in truth, what's written in it is it is the same that is written in the egyptian constitution and the fact they are all income paper. they are not being up had, by the 1st day. so it doesn't matter if the produce 5 more documents as long as they are breaking, you know, in, in practice and in action. right. and that's an important had allison go ahead.
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yeah, i was gonna add, i mean, to both of those excellent comments. i think, you know, we've seen sort of both, both things are true one as the same said. then very many school improvements. the few releases that we have seen, which we celebrate each and every one have only happened because of the sustained international pressure. the tragedy is that rather than world leaders saying ok, we need to step that up. we need to demand more. we need to ask for more. this is what our citizens are asking and yeah, that's what i'm asking of my government. what mom is asking of her government, they're actually saying ok, that's good enough. that's good enough. let's back off of the day that biden was in sharm on on november 11th. yeah. people being arrested in the stroke. one of them on that day. i'm glad you brought that up. i'm glad you brought that up and forgive me for interjecting but because you did, i mean, hundreds, i believe 400 since the beginning of cop have been arrested. i think if i'm not mistaken, one or 2 have in fact or 3 people have died in prison, you know, due to
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a lack of medicare medical care. it's impossible to know the details. but i do want to ask you and forgive me for putting on the spot. i don't mean this to be in any way silly mona, but when you look at this image, if you look on my computer, this image of president biden and presidency exchanging alive, you know, walking hand in hand arm in arm. meanwhile, we've heard from president biden himself, as well as other, you know, former us officials, people like john kerry that the u. s. is doing everything they can do. you believe that the u. s. is doing everything they can or that the u. k. is doing everything they can when you hear the statements went out. and specifically, i know it was strategic to get ala. the british citizenship has, has that, in your mind, proved to be effective at trying to bring more attention to his case. and, and all the political prisoners ok. so for the, for to it, it just highlights the hypocrisy. we have to be with them to be honestly neither by
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them nor represent me or present human rights. nor are they are just, you know, presidents who are liable to pressure by the international community and by their own people. and we try and pressure them to upload below and make sure he much priority for creation everyone in the book. but at the end of the day, they are additions, the serve their own agendas, and they serve their own business, these and then their own vision that back and she doesn't. she does not include human life, nor equality and justice her regarding what they thought it was. it was, i'm not sure is a strategic well going through this position paper work, but i'm not sure if it was strategic and rather than our final desperate attempt, right? not. we've been through the who for 9 years, every time i finish and they come up with a new case and charge for him. and the worst of it is that since 2019 we've been
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dealing with a level of buying and, and, and we'll probably see we have never experienced before at torture. our be think off. can it abduction from gender constitutive offers like horace, the critic violations that i would have never thought would be exposed to a lesson, don't be exposed to with that intensity. and then you are, you're talking about and you know, popular discourse and public discourse and social media and egypt is that the kind of harassment i know there's been an up uptake, sort of on, on targeting youth, specifically in your family, or what are you referring to specifically, so the, the, the sounds and campaigns on the, and the, and the ongoing campaigns on us uncle should easy. i don't speak media are kind of when norm and you get used to been why they become a noise in the background. but what we have been dealing with actually since 2019 is 19, is actually by an actual environment in georgia, 2020. when we were in front of sort of prison trying to get information about it.
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there we, there was way communication with any prisoners because it's locked down open. can you just we were sent up in the light in front of the guard. and now what's to be the next day when we went to the general office to, to file a complaint. and to vicki awkwardness detection instead of was actually opening up a full investigation into our tool. he actually allows the security to abducted it from in front of his office and she was speaking to prosecute and ended up a year and a half in business. so we're just dealing with with, you know, pressure and changing their getting online. but we were actually dealing with, with continue with and i, and we just shared that treat, referring to that incident where you were bruised and where people, you know this, the physical violence. allison, we share that with our audience. the reason i share that is because, you know,
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it's easy to pay attention to the story when the world to this pay attention because of cop but copies ending soon. and i wonder, not just for why do you think, as we heard from one of that he specifically had been made a target. each time he finishes a sentence, there are more trumped up charges. why are they going after a lot specifically? what is it about his character and his reputation and what he symbolizes? in the context of freedom of expression and, and democracy in egypt? i think it's quite clear a lot symbolizes hope. hope that people could have a say in their governance, hope that people could have a say and how the economies around hope and not people could have a say in how the government deals with climate change. the revolution of 2011 was about hope, and that was something that was clearly felt by millions of egyptians who came to the streets and millions of people all over the world, including myself, that hope i think is the biggest threat that see faces. that's why we see
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crackdowns when there is any kind of calls for protest. and if, if a law is free, i think that everybody knows that's a, that's a symbolic sign that hope can win. and i do think that, you know, we still all whole lot and there are hundreds and you will be free. but yeah, i maybe hope springs eternal on it's an important message to remember in the context of those are revolutions that came and left. so very quickly, and i saw that you were nodding, i wanna play video comment that we received before coming to from my said danny and io his as he sort of doing some of what you're just online there. allison to listen, trying to add it has come to represent so much of what was special about egypt, january 25 revolution. he means something to egyptians who continue to fight for justice to activists from across the meaner region. learning from his example to technologists who have taken queues from his visionary writing. he has succeeded to rally, rally international attention not only around him,
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but around the human rights abuses in egypt. so that symbol of hope that powerful voice deserves to be free. i'm sick that needs to go home to the sun and hold him in his arms that pre has in. when you hear that and knowing things like still valid alley his, his lawyer i last lawyer and making 3 on successful attempts recently to try to visit his client in prison. and you know, he had gained permission to do so from egypt. public prosecutor, which is what's so strange, you know, this complete lack of adherence to any sort of rule of law, no accountability. do you expect that once cop is over, once the world stop focusing on this? for as much as they are, then it will be, you know, more, more of the same in egypt. are there any indications that there might be pressure, whether externally or, or from whom, whomever. so i mean, just to take
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a step back to i also want to comment on why and why i think, and it's for being targeted. does that matter? and yet i'm speaking more of a mix of is it also an international researcher? i mean, i think a july and fear it's lies and making everyone in the country afraid of voicing any sort of opinion july's on silencing anyone's at their stand up. it relies on making everyone that there is to stand up to them as an example so that you can always be an example to anyone there is to raise a voice. there is to dream for the future. there is to have hopes for a life where you can live freely and safely was out depression. i think what i mean, and it says really means it's a decree so far is that i don't particularly mean despite all the government security. asians are sure. prisons are, you know,
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like all of these tools and all of this message they have not managed to break is, and i think dollars degrees is also what is very scary to a government like a c, c. i mean, if you cannot force this field, everyone in the knows that kind of continue in that manner. i think really alice bravery and his like, he has managed to recreate this global movement from inside. it was in a sense in his his dealer has become a prisoner of that. so i think after cop we, i mean actually not, i mean as good as going in and seeing if you have seen hundreds of already over 600 sites are continue to be censored. so it's a situation of human rights. the human rights crisis in egypt is bigger than, i mean, it will continue to go worse until we see coordinator and pressure from the international community and effective measures limit and to debt to, to,
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to change. i appreciate you making those points. of course, it's worth remembering and reminding our audience that egypt i believe, is the 3rd largest jailer of german journalists. so there really is very little space for freedom of expression, whether locals on the ground are foreigners. and of course your sister senate was there at cobb, i'm when i so i want to play for our audience what she had to say to the world to listen wherever we are that is needed. i don't care whether as mission or is that british walked way out. we want to walk out of despite of been trying to walk out of this fight for 9 years. he is either dead or has put life. so is he hospitalized in that facility in another facility? we don't know, we need the government to get conser axis. when on all honesty, i wonder, you know, for each of you having been jailed yourself yourself, your sister, your mother. i mean, i wonder how you maintain the stamina,
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the hope when alison said that your brother symbolizes hope. earlier, i saw your face sort of a facial expression shift and i wonder where, where you find hope. and also in egypt, sprawling detention system which we heard santa talking about, we know there's at least $60000.00 political prisoners there. is it true that families end up having to provide sort of food and other basic items to sustain these prisoners prisoners? is there any more transparency around? what's happening inside? ok, so source is more correction. i was me and my mother were never sent you receive before. forgive me. no. i i the thing is you don't operate on hope. i don't think, i don't think who has a lot of faith in egypt right now. the reality is, this is, this is charlotte was supervisor, or for me for my time and for everyone to be and, and, and the only way we can do that is by continuing to hold on living onto our voices
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and telling story and or not. because this is exactly what you want this question. i was also thinking about when you were talking now about why why is being targeted in such a manner. and just wanted to point out that it's not just sign it. there are a lot of political prisoners who are the, who james adam and keeping them in. and i think the main reason behind this is they are obsessed with breaking them and they are, they can all hustle. how can, how do they st in pain parts of their store in taxes by prison? and i think this is really one of the, one of the, what the, what the vision behind how the regime and how the are in pence on breaking people. and they want understand people who are the onto right, so they're not there. so again, all of the fine and i want to thank you for speaking so bravely so candidly and for
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all of you joining us today. i do want to leave our audience with this tweet that i found quite inspired. mm hm. and so fun posted this to twitter thing. there's a picture of him and his father, thing for prisoners. birthdays are painful reminders of the years. the depression has robbed them of and he's turning 35 today wishing of course that for his dad and i lot to be released. this is a story that we're gonna continue to cover here. of course, at the stream. i want to thank you, alice sent, saying, and went out for being with us. follow us and streamed on al jazeera dot com online . ah ah, a korea reporting to the well rosa heron, one journalist, documents life beyond the headlines. ah. but certain stories can change us in the next. we easiest, please. history. well, i mean,
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