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i welcome to the stream. i had 17. can it's human rights campaign during cop $27.00 . help release. salah ogden, photography, on today's show, will look at the plight of egypt most well known dissident and the solidarity movement. for the country's political prisoners. as always, we welcome you to be part of this conversation by adding your comments and questions and our live you tube chat. the british egyptian pro democracy activists allah that fatigue has spent most of the past decade behind bars. he was a major figure in egypt, january 25th revolution, back in 2011. he has since been charged with violating protest laws and spreading false information and to protest his imprisonment. he has been on hunger strike for over 200 days. now allah is one of more than 60000 political prisoners in egypt, a figure denied by president ob,

that fatigue cc with us to talk about all of this in london. when a safe and human rights activists and sister of al, up in brussels, sane by you, me, egypt, and libby a researcher with amnesty international. and in washington dc, allison mcmanus research director with the freedom initiative. thank you all for being with us. i'm gonna, i want to start by asking you this friday. the 18th is the last day of cop 27. it's also, i lots 41st birthday. this will be his 9th birthday in prison. i'm wondering how you're feeling today in this week after the culmination of all the events in char michelle you know, or other course to really the past 2 weeks in particular where they hardly in the, in the, in the few months before i can eat the 2 weeks where we had no news of him, he was confusing to me because i was just trying nightmare. but at least we

got the note from him yesterday, confirming that he has entity hunger strike, looking forward to our mother's institution visit actually for the 1st time in 2 years, asking them to come with the invention the ready on is getting. like you bet you're feeling about at least being a part of me is really even though we don't know what's happening during the week, so we don't know what the final decisions and the strike and we are. we think the patients me for the visit to understand how the house is really and what kind of medicaid he isn't in prison. so it's been quite that and we're chipped but we're now at least and i'm a lot more released that you know, these are live longer stripe and my mother just to know more and and

hopefully that news comes sooner rather than later. i know it's been very difficult for many people trying to follow this case, which is why we're talking about it today. i want to ask you other than looking at what was happening on the ground and said, michelle, if you look at just this photo, for example, this is one of several protests in a certain area that was sort of made to allow for protests to happen. there they said, you know, there can be no climate justice without human rights. we've seen a lot of solidarity pouring in from, from around the world. do you think enough is being done? are you optimistic and do you think there's been enough international pressure specifically from governments that are close to egypt like the u. k. u k, in the us? yeah, thanks so much. and it's a great question. i mean, as, as mama said, it's been a roller coaster. i mean, obviously for, for lots family. but for all of us to work in the human rights movement. on the one hand, we've seen absolutely unprecedented mobilization,

unprecedented solidarity that's come from climate justice advocates from activists like credit owenberg from influencers, celebrities, literally all over the world, folks have been showing up wearing white, posting messages of solidarity, literally all eyes on egypt. except when it comes to the world, leaders to we really hope are hearing the message. i mean, not just the message when it comes to centering human rights and foreign policy, but a message from their own constituents. i mean, i was in portsmouth, new hampshire, wearing light, you know, calling on joe biden to say the names of ella to see the names of many masha and so many others. and unfortunately, we are quite disappointed and i dare say even betrayed that those messages weren't delivered more forcefully when they had the platform to do so. i appreciate you making a point and when i saw you were nodding as alison was talking, saying, i'll come, come to in a moment, but when i, why were you nodding?

and also i want to ask you specifically on the point of the new prime minister richie soon, i could days before arriving to egypt for cop. he told your sister in a letter that he would do everything to release allah. and then we saw him dodging the questions and as we heard from allison, a lot of people saying not enough is being done. do you think enough being done? why were you nodding their? i was nodding because honestly, i feel like a few overwhelmed with regard to getting to all over the world. and i feel like everyone is doing more than and not accept the government's humanise, to support this angie, even leverage unit, try to as we want to do the amazing job of making the world. no, i hear more about about the 10s of thousands of political business issues, but the government are failing miserably. so far, what we have seen, even though more than one of the world, read the pool of germany and buys and she's not communicate. all of the mentioned

by name on we have the weather about or about other is not the government talk, but they do not copy their talk was serious action to, to support their team and to make sure he would like a priority. it's not just a point in a check to check out as to neck. i was particularly disappointed because why he promised to do everything to secure that it actually went to tom. she 120 k was up at a point where we didn't even know if it was alive and he didn't even manage to secure her life or secure computer access to him. so not only does he deliver on his comment is ms. lee to provide the minimum right and you know, the way you phrase that they're very critical. a lot of people echoing those criticism, saying, i want to share with you someone who's objection origin from,

from australia who sent us this comment. take a listen to what nadine med could had to say. i think that the campaign has exposed to many of us that we can no longer depend on leaders from the west to be the arbiters and the upholders of human rights in the international community. you know, we have the united states providing $1300000000.00 and military a to egypt every single year. and yet some of you say on the other side we have. but as it in c, c, boasting about building the largest prison complex in egypt, more than history referring you to whether not ruin, which was modeled on american style prisons and where and potentially other 60000 and political prisoners are being held. you know, of course the focus now isn't that interesting that his family are able to visit him to communicate with him and that he's no longer being tortured by the author,

warranties. but i think broadly we need to start asking for funding all this then last year egypt launched, i believe it was called the national human rights strategy. amnesty of course, called this a shiny, cover up to obfuscate, to distract, to deceive the international community. is it working? i mean, you heard mana, kind of take the prime minister to task for not doing anything. why would that be happening in your opinion? well, i mean, it's happening for very simple reasons at politics. our dollars agree about like you're not interested. in addition, so from what you have seen so far, so that when we so coordinated public a last year when we saw a joint statement. so united nations human rights council from 33 countries we saw as, as asian sources were very quick to react to that they have taken a number of limited measures including the number of political prisoners that

emergency. however, these measures have not been meaningful measures, actually diverse even stopped or the human race crisis in the country. what we have then seen after that is that all the peters were quite happy with the limited measures presented by se so it is while refusing to take any measures as it should be taken in context and also on, on the comment that you shared earlier. i mean, when we raise or when we are calling on a community to raise concerns about human rights or to ensure that human rights are it's a corner store or bilateral multi lateral relations with egypt, we asked me to establish a monitoring and reporting mechanism on the human rights situation. we are not asking them just because of because you should be all set for human rights. but because this government in egypt is also to a large degree, it doesn't exist and vacuum exists is also

a supporter receives from the interest of the community through loans to funding to arms a solution. and i believe i mentioned a strategy theory, right. and so it's been a year now since it was issued and the reality is the strategy for human rights and made a government issued to provide another cosmetic change that was done nearly for the benefit of the western see and western governments. and if you ask any egyptians, nothing has change in the kind of violations the fees they on the basis. what do you know what state are detention on the street? is it after this strategy was released? but on i or a lot of wanted to well addition, foreign politicians keep on referring to it as if it's, it's an improvement in jewish, what's written in it is it is the same that is written in the egyptian constitution and the fact they are all income paper they are not being up had by the 1st the so

it doesn't much of the produce 5 more documents as long as they are breaking it in practice and in action. right. and that's an important had allison go ahead. yeah, i was gonna add, i mean to both of those excellent comments. i think, you know, we've seen sort of both, both things are true. one as the same said. then very many school improvements. the few releases that we have seen, which we celebrate each and every one have only happened because of this sustained international pressure. the tragedy is that rather than world leaders saying ok, we need to step that up. we need to demand more. we need to ask for more, this is what our citizens are asking and yeah, that's what i'm asking of my government. what mom is asking of her government. they're actually saying ok, that's good enough. that's good enough. let's back off of the day that biden was in sharm on november 11th, or people being arrested in the stroke. one of them on that day. i'm glad you brought that up. i'm glad you brought that up and forgive me for interjecting but

because you did, i mean, hundreds, i believe 400 since the beginning of cop have been arrested. i think if i'm not mistaken, one or 2 have in fact or 3 people have died in prison, you know, due to a lack of medicare medical care. it's impossible to know the details. but i do want to ask you and forgive me for putting it on the spot. i don't mean this to be in any way. so cindy mona, but when you look at this image, if you look on my computer, this image of president biden and presidency exchanging alive, you know, walking hand in hand arm in arm. meanwhile, we've heard from president biden himself, as well as other, you know, former us officials, people like john kerry that the u. s. is doing everything they can do. you believe that the u. s. is doing everything they can or that the u. k. is doing everything they can when you hear the statements went out and specifically, i know it was strategic to get out. the british citizenship has, has that, in your mind, proved to be effective at trying to bring more attention to his case and,

and all the political prisoners. okay, so for the flow tool it's, it's just i like the hypocrisy we have to deal with on a daily basis. honestly, neither by then nor of the fit, the se, represent me or present human rights. nor are they are just, you know, presidents who are liable to pressure by the international community and by their own people. and we try and pressure them to afford the low end to make sure he matches urgency for each and everyone understand it. but, but at the end of the day, they are additions, the serve their own agendas, and they serve on their own business, these and in their own vision that definitely definitely does not include human rights nor equality and justice one, regardless of what the c s right it was, it was, i'm not sure if it's strategic. well, going through the citizenship paper where it was, i'm not sure if it was a strategic and rather than our final desperate attempt right or not. we've been

through the hoop for 9 years. every time on it finishes presence, they come up with a new case and charged for him. and the worst of it is that since 2019 we've been dealing with a level of violence and, and we have never as time experienced before. i torture our b think often is abduction from gender prosecutor's office like a holistic horrific violations that i would have never thought can be exposed to let to know the most to with that intensity. and i know you are, you're talking about in, you know, popular discourse and public discourse and, and social media and egypt is that the kind of harassment i know there's been an up uptake, sort of on, on targeting you specifically in your family or what are you referring to specifically so the, the, the sounds and campaigns on the, and the, and the ongoing campaigns on us on cushion, easy, i don't speak needs are kind of a norm and you get used to been out there why they become a noise in the background. but what we have been dealing with actually since 201919

is actually by an actual college environment in june 2020. when we were in front of sort of prison trying to get information about it. there we, there was my communication with any prisoners because a lot lockdown open. can you just we were up in the light in front of the guard. and now what's to be the next day when we went to the general prosecutor to file a complaint and to be off with mr. section instead of was actually opening up a full investigation into our us who he actually allows security to abducted it from in front of his office as you were thinking prosecution ended up a year and a half in business. so we are just dealing with. ringback with you know, pressure and changing their getting online, but you are actually dealing with with continue with and i,

and we just shared that treat, referring to that incident where you were bruised and where people, you know, the physical violence. allison, we share that with our audience. the reason i share that is because, you know, it's easy to pay attention to the story when the world to this pay attention because of cop but compas ending soon. and i wonder, not just for why do you think, as we heard from one of that he specifically has been made a target. each time he finishes the sentence, there are more trumped up charges. why are they going after a lot specifically? what is it about his character and his reputation and what he symbolizes? in the context of freedom of expression and, and democracy in egypt? i think it's quite clear a lot symbolizes hope. hope that people could have a say in their governance, hope that people could have a say and how the economies around hope and that people could have a say. and how the government deals with climate change for the revolution of 2011 was about hope. and that was something that was clearly felt by millions of

egyptians who came to the streets and millions of people all over the world, including myself, that hope i think is the biggest threat that see faces. that's why we see crackdowns when there is any kind of calls for protest. and if, if a law is free, i think that everybody knows that's a, that's a symbolic sign that hope can win. and i do think that, you know, we still all whole lot and there are hundreds and you will be free. but yeah, i maybe hope springs eternal. and it's an important message to remember in the context of those are revolutions that came and left. so very quick, real soon, i saw that you were nodding, i wanna play a video comment that we received before coming to from my said danny, at his eyes, he sort of doing some of what you're just online there. allison to listen, trying to add it has come to represent so much of what was special about egypt, january 25 revolution. he means something to egyptians who continue to fight for justice to activists from across the mino,

region learning from his example to technologists who've taken queues from his visionary writing. he has succeeded to rally, rally international attention, not only around him, but around the human rights abuses in egypt. so that symbol of hope, that powerful voice deserves to be free. i'm sick, death needs to go home, son, and hold him in his arms that pre his in. when you hear that and knowing things like still valid alley his, his lawyer i last lawyer and making 3 unsuccessful attempts recently to try to visit his client in prison. and you know, he had gained permission to do so from egypt. public prosecutor, which is what's so strange, you know, this complete lack of adherence to any sort of rule of law, no accountability. do you expect that once copies over, once the world stops focusing on this? for as much as they are, then it will be, you know, more,

more of the same in egypt. are there any indications that there might be pressure whether externally or, or from whom, whomever. so i mean, just to take a step back to i also want to comment on why, why i think and it's for being targeted. does that matter? and yet i'm speaking more of a mix of is it also an international researcher? i mean, i think a july and fear it's lies and making everyone in the country afraid of voicing any sort of opinion july's on silencing anyone's at their stand up. it relies on making everyone that there is to stand up to them as an example. so that you can always be an example to anyone there is to raise their voice. there is to dream for the future. there is to have hopes for a life where you can live really and safely was out depression. i think what i mean, and it says, well, i mean it's

a others degree so far is that i don't particularly mean despite all the government security, asians are sure. prisons are, you know, like all of these tools and all of this message. they have not managed to break a spirit and i think to a large degree, this is also what is very scary to a government like because at present of the i see, i mean, if you cannot force this field, everyone in the knows that kind of continue in that manner, i think really alice bravery and his like he has managed to recreate this global movement from inside is, was in a sense in his israel has become, is a prisoner or that. so i think after we, i mean, actually not, i mean as good as going, i mean listen, seeing if seen hundreds of already over 600 sites continue to be censored. so the situation of human rights are human rights. christ in egypt is bigger than,

i mean it will continue to go worse until we see coordinated pressure from the international community and effective measures limit. and should i like, did to, to, to change a bunch. i appreciate you making those points. of course, it's worth remembering and reminding our audience that egypt i believe, is the 3rd largest jailer of german journalists. so there really is very little space for freedom of expression, whether locals on the ground are foreigners. and of course, your sister senate was there at cobb, i'm when i so i want to play for our audience what she had to say to the world to listen. but as we are, that is needed. i don't care whether as mission or is a british walked way out. we want to walk out of despite been trying to walk out of this fight for 9 years. he is either dead or hospitalized. so is you hospitalized in that facility? is he in another facility? we don't know, we need the government to get conser access. when i in all honesty, i wonder,

you know, for each of you having been jailed yourself yourself, your sister, your mother. i mean, i wonder how you maintain the stamina, the hope. but when alison said that your brother symbolizes hope earlier, i saw your face sort of a facial expression shift. and i wonder where, where you find hope. and also in egypt, sprawling detention system which we heard santa talking about. we know there's at least $60000.00 political prisoners there. is it true that families end up having to provide sort of food and other basic items to sustain these prisoners prisoners? is there any more transparency around? what's happening inside ok, so sources more correction. i was me and my mother were never sent you a receipt saying before forget me not i. the thing is you don't operate on who i don't think. i don't think who has a lot of faith in egypt like now. the reality is, this is, this is,

charlotte was surviving, work for me, for my family, for everyone to be and, and, and the only way we can do that is by continuing to hold onto our voices and selling gold and are nice. it's nice because this is exactly what you're seeing, what i was also thinking about when you were talking now about why why is being targeted in such a manner. and i just wanted to point out that it's not just there are a lot of political prisoners who are the james, adamant of keeping them in prison. and i think the main reason behind this is they are obsessed with breaking them and they are, they can all have how can, how do they still pain parts of the story in taxes by prison? and i think this is really one of the, one of the what the, what the vision behind how the regime and the are intent on breaking

people. and they want understand people who are the, on to the end of their story. again, all of the repetitive and i want to thank you for speaking so bravely so candidly and for all of you joining us today. i do want to leave our audience with this tweet that i found quite inspired and how much so fun. posted this to twitter thing, there's a picture of him in his father, thing for prisoners. birthdays are painful reminders of the years. the depression has robbed them of and he's turning 35 today. wishing of course that for his dad. and i like to be released this is a story that we're going to continue to cover here, of course, at the st. i want to thank you alice sent saying, and one for being with us. follow us at the stream dot l. desert. i. com online. ah, what's going on in vladimir put his mind right now? could this war go new player is being on that front team,

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