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. i welcome to the stream i had sabot dean filling in for a family ok. today we're discussing a new documentary by our colleagues at a j plus one day in hebron. the film follows al jazeera as dina take query, as she travels back to the old city where her father grew up. let's take a quick look at the trailer. oh, this is what i experienced minutes after setting foot in my family's hometown, although i'm with a little boy. we literally just got here. we went through the 1st military tech points and a bunch of soldiers stopped. us started yelling at us and i'm in the old city of hebron in the occupied west bank a place that wants to puzzle life. but i'm about to see what israel's occupation and settlers have done to the heart of his city and to the people who with i'm

a palestinian american journalist and i've spent much of my career reporting on the occupied territories. but hebron, one of the west banks, largest cities is also my roots. my father was born and raised here. i've returned to learn how the occupation has decimated his beloved home town. a place he hasn't been back to in years. a history of over what you know, i know it's really hard for him to see those. and so it's emotional for me. tell us discuss how hebron and palestinians more broadly are impacted by israel's occupation. were joined by a few of the people who worked on the film. joining us from san francisco's dina tech brewery senior presenter at ha plus and co author of they called me a lioness, a palestinian girl's fight for freedom and unoccupied east jerusalem filmmaker and

cameramen. i'm an a boot, a moose and last but not least with us from tel aviv ori devotee advocacy director at breaking the silence. we want to of course, include your thoughts on this show. so be sure to share your questions and comments right here and are you to chat and be part of the conversation? i want to get straight to at dina. so many questions for you. i'm curious, 1st off. ah, how did the idea to work on this documentary come about it's, it's much more personal than your other work or your, you know, the work i'm familiar with and for me, it, it really hit differently because of that. yeah. as well, thanks. i had a good, severe and it's good to see already in a man in a less 10 environment. i was planning, you know, as you heard in the trailer, i have reported from the occupied west bank several times throughout my career. and it's also where most of my family lives. and so i knew i would be taking a trip here this summer and i was sort of brainstorming with my producer. mm hm. at staffing and he came up with the idea of you know,

you're from hebron. i'm actually from hebron on both sides, mother and father, but my dad grew up there and lived there the longest. and so the idea came about to go there to visit, have brought to retrace my father's footsteps and to tell the story of the occupation they are in a very sort of discovery. and personal way. we say later in the film that my dad can't really return, and i also wanted to, to honor him and to sort of give this as a sort of a contribution to my family lineage and to my ancestors. and you know, it's, it's interesting i'm and i've also worked with you in palestine. i'm curious working with dina on such a personal project for you reporting and working their day and day out. what was like for you to be part of that process actually was i asked mud. i every one. yeah. i was with us and i enjoy it. i was down when we started, this is like when we want to go to people and they know it's very emotional here.

so it makes me feel like i am about to study. i need to to as a spontaneous it should. yeah. like i feel more emotional because i'm a child a long time, which is a promotional for me this would be like a motional. and to be honest, i was shocked because i started being used whether, you know, we, we want to be like a coffee to be in, like actually the 1st year by. so with the i stick my mood that we and i feel like i can continue to just started stop a police. i ok guys. come down here, you're talking about the interactions with israeli soldiers. correct? yeah, exactly. yeah. and i was like, i want to talk more about it. i literally just started rolling and we got pounced

on and surrounded and swarmed. and it really set the tone for the rest of the day. and a man really bore the brunt of the harassment that day. and i like apologize to him so many times and thanked him but, and there's something to say about how targeted cameras are by that by there's really military. right. and i hope we can discuss that more because even at the top of the show, i mean of the trailer that we played for our audience. i mean that was a parent or he on that note, i mean you've served in the military there in israel, and i want to ask you now that you're giving these guided tours in hebron. i know this is part of your job with breaking the silence. tell us why you do that and what it was like for you to be part of this project. so very basically break the silence. busy reformer, soldiers like me and we. busy all serving the fight very storage unit in different places. and we all share in california is the lender. then we must expose the reality of the patient. why do you mean control the policy?

the way we do and what is true and the testimony of our own service. yeah, we already did it. we already are in it. and now the meaning that we can do is talk about this reality. and this is there. why don't we do the hebron? yeah. many of our fire service and inhibit you can see it very clearly different types of elements on the face. and i will say the project today we've been together. everyone was different. and then the usual towards the guy that they just came back and but it would be nice. it's different because it's very rare. i mean never happen until that to walk in the fruit of hebron. we in

dina with families from hebron. yeah. and who now live somewhere else on high land and where pushed away from it. and that was a very special moment or other during the building, so unique. and i'm glad you brought up her father. i've met your father and i have to say, you know, on a personal note, a real tender guy. he can be and you know, when i was watching the documentary, i was definitely struck by this part of the film. let's share it with our audience now. come back to you, take a look. oh hi baba. oh good morning. how are you? oh, i want to show you. i think this is where you grew up is this is lee with

him. so sad. i do not know how proud your dad is of your journalistic work and just all you've accomplished but, but that moment you walking there knowing he can't be there. what was the like for you? oh man, if you played another 30 seconds, you see me crying because a man asked how does this feel free? diana was very emotional. i mean there's, there's the guilt. there's sadness on his, you know, sadness for him. where i was standing right. there was a street where no palestinians are allowed to walk, even if they live on that street. they have to exit their homes and enter through a back entrance. and so technically, by virtue of me being palestinian american, i wasn't even supposed to be there. but i was literally standing 10 feet away or less. that's the cemetery where his parents are buried. you know where my grandparents are, my ancestors are and right above the cemetery is the house he grew up in. and just

to see, you know, to think of like the memories he told me about how vibrant it was, how he used to carry a basket down there and go to the vegetable store and buy for fruit and walk back home. his middle school was on that street. it used to be like, you know, a super busy center, a palestinian life and it's an absolute ghost town. and the only sounds you hear are the fluttering of his railey flags above. and the only people you see are some settlers and some armed soldiers. it just, it devastated, you know, and it, and i was really sad for him. so it was, it was quite an emotionally charged moment, which i am caught on to and asked me about on camera emmonds good at that. and i'm and i, you know, when you ask a dina about that, i'm curious your experience, particularly since israeli soldiers killed shaheen. black clay things seem from afar. i haven't been there for several years now, but it seems as though it's harder to work as a journalist, it seems as though the occupation is more entrenched. what can you share with us and about what it was like i'm trying to report this story

like a science. ready only one, it's something to really like you need to think twice with like, and the other the be in here and you know, it's hard to find the lead on the others on the list when you are in the country that they claim that the owner of the country in the middle east, actually the state for everyone to state the scene for me as someone would be living here with more than 30 years. i know this more closely. it's fake when it's come to about hi nicholas grant and was there do people and we just want to show what's the life of these people. so it's become like, lead you back to you and i, and i'm, and i want to actually in the civically, sorry, forgive me after surgery and as you were just about to say, i mean, has it gotten harder for you? is your perception of your ability to move to report or do you feel more targeted,

our soldiers harassing you more or more areas off limits? actually yes. especially in what i feel like whenever they want to go to the bank. sometimes i feel i will not go back to my house and he but if i with jackets and everything like this and i'm coming up there. so i feel that i might me not going back to my house because what's happening to city and, and i feel it's really hard, especially with so just like, i can't tell these people they don't see anyone like on the cell, but you know, for now what i do on the right on this kind of like these 2 countries as well. and by this time i see enough on anyone. if i see from my camera and i'm not trying to be a student, i'm just trying to see what i see is what i owe to the people that this is my job.

my 3rd most certainly i saw that dina, and also already were both nodding as you were, outlining the reality of what it's like to try to work on the ground. we have a small clip from actually the documentary that kind of illustrates this. let's play it for audience, then i'll come to you or take a look. i did so ms. wilson is a good lead tomorrow. i am in home with family a little. it can ever like a menu. a had someone in me i'm on or as i understand it, i've been following breaking the silence for many years now. but when we look at the politics and who the israeli people are electing netanyahu,

who has found to be a corrupt leader who was charged and he's somehow now made a comeback. i'm wondering. where is this sort of lack of consciousness of sort of the level of di, humanise ation that on the individual level, but also collectively they're, they're putting on this population. why in your opinion, to so many soldiers are not sort of wake up and break the silence earlier? yeah, i think it's one of the core, each of the problems here and for us is riley, were raised our entire life. i've re, our childhood are using high school media education. everything directs us to become a older military, everything direct us and we have the most well are in the world

love to say about the end and we are not being encouraged whatsoever. and more importantly than that, yeah. or maybe to get it there is also no incentive to day for an israeli to look critically the situation. yeah. relatively. yeah. while of course we all have family members, friends who are victims of this situation as well. and people who died as a result of this equation, relatively speaking, these rays are not affected by your patient. our day to day life is barely affected . mytrasia are holes, aren't being made in the night. and am i middle school and i appreciate this going for give me i don't mean to interject, but i appreciate this point at same time. let's take another look at a clip that kind of illustrates the way in which i,

you interacted with these soldiers while you were all working on this film. take a look. this is a follow up with lethal 9 until 9 with dylan and doug with his earned them a little above o w o joey mcclure them on a go 30 volva in ari. i see them pushing you there. and obviously anyone who's worked on the ground or, or tried to interact with soldiers, i mean the dehumanization is immediate an instant. and dino, while that was all happening, i mean, could you give us a little bit more context of, was that at the beginning of the trip? what was going through your mind? did you think that me maybe you wouldn't be able to report the story? i know that was literally when we had just arrived like a man had just started rolling like 30 seconds prior. we were filming me walking

down. that's the 2nd checkpoint and i was greeting oriend, his colleague, joel and right. as we were saying, hi, how are you? i'm dina. they came in and they swarmed us and for me like, you know, i had so much anticipation like i had studied the area. i had talked to my dad, he drew me maps. i'm visiting my home town and, and it just got so tainted and you brought up to dana wagner earlier and she was my friend and she was my colleague and this was just weeks after she was murdered and she was fresh in my mind. i cannot look at an israeli soldier and not uniform the same one. did you know what was it different for you? i mean, i know you've worked there before. you've always come across quite quite stoic in your, in your deliveries and, and in the way you interact with these soldiers. was it different this time because of her loss? i mean, she was perhaps, as we all know, i may be one of the most relentless and persistent reporters on this issue and depicting our daily life under occupation. so it was different for you, dina, this time it a 100 percent. i mean, even in 2018,

a man and i were reporting we weren't doing anything and they threw stun grenades on as i've never been under the delusion that being a journalist will somehow protect me. but when you see how shitty debacle was murdered in cold blood, despite wearing a helmet and press best marked press despite being a us citizen. and that moment you know, i'm thinking my us passports, not protecting me, the cameras not protecting me. and even in that same location where we were just a few weeks prior, another palestinian american journalist named highest me and was also detained by soldiers there. while she was building her show. she was taken, she was strip, searched in front of her mother, you know, for no reason. and they had one of the soldiers had the butt of his rifle and her mother stomach. while she was being stripped search. i told already, i don't know what would have happened if you guys weren't there. you know, if i didn't have to former israeli soldiers there to protect me in my home town. so there was a lot of feelings and there was a lot of thinking about shipping and i'm thinking about how these guys can do anything they want with impunity. yeah,

with the backing of the i think that the human is need to understand this together with the issue of the fact that it's the israel and the patient is great. everything can we you know, the height is the reality. yeah. the 0 there. then one of the decade, the policy not being billed by the by the railing. yeah. and it's not for series that is a lot of those terrible dealings he's doing and, and we're just seeing the situation grow more palestinians died more so their violence more whole devolution more home invasions. this equation is only becoming warrants and it's more scary buying more theory for a organization for the activists. it's becoming a more difficult well,

and i know that you feature soldiers who are anonymous most of the time. it's not all the time. and i understand because of the fear of retribution nomic lee and but i wonder without breaking the silence and going public and being visible. and, and i think so much of what i've heard is that there's, there's like sort of, there is no incentive because they don't see the occupation that doesn't affect their lives there in israel. so i wonder with all that said, i'm and you know, our colleagues should in when she was killed, we saw a complete lack of accountability, the same things you're discussing, impunity. now 6, very long months later we've seen the f, b i in the u. s. announcing that they're going to launch an investigation. i kinda want to ask you all this. i mean, we've since then heard the white house informing israeli counterparts that they weren't involved in the decision to open this investigation. you know, kind of back tracking away from it. you know, this lack of accountability, do you have any hope not just on the issue of city and, but i'm,

and do you have hope and where do you draw hope from that there will be accountability for each life loss, but also for the broader issues that you depict in this docu pendant documentary are happening? i actually, i feel that this country no one comes on. they just do a little. i always say that we follow, which is not true, but they all the same that with a lot of no action and they look all those as well when i need to know that i can and they can say like and done, it goes guess. so i don't feel like i, when i went to gene last time he like with, with a serious anyone with like,

anyone will have to interesting it together. you can tell that a g with when they claim that was right in the unsure on the addiction actually that is a school and a just like i can see anything like when she used to be a sitting, it's only a military team. and so thing on here, addiction and it's, it's like it's obvious and i don't think anyone was the geisha. and i think what i think what so maddening is despite the, as you say, obvious facts on the ground, we still see time and time again. the ability to act with impunity and it's, you know, in the documentary just to bring it back to your work. you know, i wanna, i want to share with our audience a clip of a conversation you had with cell a young girl there. take a look and then we'll contact you a

you know, on a personal note what's always so troubling for me and difficult to process when i see these sorts of videos either in your work or on social media is the way that the occupation and the israeli soldiers treat or dehumanized palestinian children, ah, whether abusing them interrogating them, torturing them,

whatever might be dina, watching this and being there and bearing witness if you will, seeing the father half to restrain himself. what was that like? i mean, just especially since the impetus of this trip was you kind of coming back to connect with your father's hometown. exactly. i mean, i haven't stopped thinking about selling since the day we met her. and i exactly had that same thought that this could have been my life as a little palestinian girl from hebron. and that could have been my father. i mean this poor child and her siblings are so traumatized. they were accused of playing with a knife right in front of their house, even though there's cameras surrounding them. improving the contrary about because a settler went and told a soldier, she had a nice, they believed him and they arrested her as we were standing there talking. you know, it's such a tense situation because their house is, you know, right above them isn't, is really settlement. they're surrounded by these illegal israeli settlers. there are nets above that alley way to catch the stones and the trash. and sometimes you're in that settlers throw down at them. so every little sound we hear,

she looks up and i ask her, are you afraid that they're going to throw something out? you? and she said yes, because it happened so much just a week prior. her 5 year old brother was hit by a rock right here and his face swelled up from a settler. and she told me, you know, we look at the settler kids, we can see them playing with their toys every single day. and we want to go out and play like that. yeah. and this just shows you the innocence of children. her brother said why, let's go, let's go join them. and she said, we can't join them this. i'm not unfortunately didn't. i appreciate you sharing those thoughts. we can't continue this conversation now live on air. we've run out of time, but it's an incredible documentary for those of you haven't seen it. check it out. thank you to our guests, dina, i, man and ori onn. certainly not the last time we'll be talking about this here at the stream. be sure to take a look at the documentary and let us know what you think. ah. the count down, glow condo host, pony marks, the final days, hours, minutes and seconds until cattle. 2022 kicks off. for the 1st time the competition

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