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some powerful nations seemed powerless to prevent the bloodshed. this is inside story. ah, ah, ah. hello to welcome to the program. i'm adrian finnegan. i renewed offensive by m. 23 fighters in the eastern democratic republic of congo has forced hundreds of thousands of people from their homes. there are reports of extra judicial killings, torture and rape. the rebel group has ignored international appeals for a cease fire that is now marching on goma. the regional capital, the conflict is pitted the governments of the democratic republic of congo and neighboring lawanda against each other. you and investigators have found evidence that anyone does military is supporting m 23 fighters from gama. his malcolm web.

the more than 200000 people have run away from the 23 armed group as it's advanced in east, in democratic republic of congo. so the local just started removing their guns that were in front of our home and took them away. this is why we have to leave and 23 is widely understood to be backed by rwanda. gun is also being accused of providing support. those governments deny it. un peacekeepers filmed 500 fighters entering congo from rwanda earlier this year. when the soldiers have been photographed in areas held by him, 23. the helmets have distinct plastic mounds for equipment. the same as those worn by some m. 23 fighters, seen in this video released by the armed group. congress 4th is of loss ground to m 23 in recent weeks. east african leaders plan to hold talks on thursday has been fighting to the north of here,

further down the road in the area that along the border with rwanda, which is just a few kilometers over there. a lot of the population from the towns where there's been fighting, has fled this way into the city of go my way. tens of thousands of people staying in camps. people waiting to see if the heightened phlegmatic activity is actually going to change anything on the ground. people have demonstrated in cities across congo in recent months, against you can the president, every 71 than president polk academy. they blame for decades of military aggression in congress. campaigners say the international community needs to help marvel pop of young. i didn't, we don't have confidence in the east africa community to bring peace. we can never expect. keg, i mean to back down and withdraw. economic and military sanctions need to be posted under wonder because it depends on funding from other countries. earlier this year, the u. k pedro under about a $160000000.00 to receive deported. asylum seekers. after decades of

animosity front and rwanda restored relations last year and french president emanuel micron promised half a 1000000000 years of 8, tens of thousands of people have enforced into insanity camps. the u. s. is expressed concern over one, those involvement, the u. n. u k. in france, have condemned them 23, but they haven't said who's backing the group for you? can we know that the have this deal we've, we've veranda. there is also france. we've always involved we've, we've run more than the can be a barrier to take time for the right decision which should be to make sure that's all this is stop rwandan soldiers, a fighting insurgents in northern mozambique where french oil john tow, tao, has a $20000000000.00 gas project. they were the same helmets as some m. 23 fighters.

9 years ago, connelly's forces defeated m $23.00 and it's fighters fled to were wonder in uganda . that time, congo had international military support. and the u. s. and other countries blocked military 8 to rwanda. this time people here awaiting to see if politicians from this region and beyond who do what needed to bring peace and let them go home. malcolm web for inside story. well, as malcolm mentioned in that report, the u. s. embassy along with the invoice, belgium, france of the you. k have issued a statement calling on the m 232 immediately withdraw and end the acts that violate international law and to see so still it is, but that statement stopped short of accusing any countries of backing the rebels. but the humanitarian crisis in the democratic republic of congo is worsening and a spilling across its borders. the un estimates that at least 280000 people have been forced from their homes since march. at least 7000 of crossed into uganda

since october. children are disproportionately affected, more than a 100, have been separated from their families in areas where fighting is taking place. ah, that spring in our guests for today's discussion from kinshasa, which went by fred bama, he is the executive director of abu tele, a congolese institute for research on politics, governance and violence from local, marshy. we're joined by angel the congress at am gonna the you and refugee agency representative in the democratic republic of congo and from london, which owned by michaela, wrong. a journalist on the author of do not disturb the story of a political murder at an african regime. gone bad. fred, we'll start with you who is supporting the m 23 and that he r c. and why? thank you very much inviting me and so on this case

for most you know, i'm from especially the, when the last un both dentistry has been appointed by rwanda mentally since the beginning of the separation and lead back to end of 2021. we know also from many people in the region that at some point we're not uganda. and 33. now it's important to mention that the support of rwanda on into the new m to if we remind people how to defeat back in 2012. and 13 was also backed by rhonda. and then we saw many countries mobilize with special rhonda, which we don't really see. but for prep, i'm sorry to interrupt you. bought evidence. is there to suggest that when the is

backing m 23 at the moment when one day saying that it isn't so many evidence is from food ted from drawing on by the un mission in the middle school. there is also around in ministry where around to the to you can we go back in new to who testified to see me from from one thing to go that i think the reality of support run as opposed to entity fee is known by many people almost every people in, in the region, and i know for sure that many embassies with an embassies and other countries, african embassy, didn't know clearly that around and some extent uganda,

but putting into the free. and it's not out of yours that you're not calling out. rhonda angel will come to you in just a moment to talk about the humanitarian situation, but 1st, at mckellar in london. why won't rwanda admit that there? supporting the rebels in, in the d r. c. and, and what's of interest to rolanda in the democratic republic of congo? why would it want to destabilize the region? well, this is a game that ruined has been playing since 1996 when it supported a rebel group. the cost into into it was a democratic republic of congo. to break up the camps of refugees, of who to extreme refugees, members of the former army that were camping in the air. and that, of course, that rebel group ended up toppling a fake of the president of the day. so ever since then, really you've seen this history of rwanda in the southern parts in k through and

uganda for the to the north booth. regarding it really as i prerogative to go into democratic republic of congo, which is the country by the security forces. have a real problem, an existing control and using as i play grounds, doing as they wish, controlling the local politics. and also i bring up the mineral resources and a large scale smuggling of all the precious metals that we know are in, in there. so it's got a lot of interest in that it likes to be seen as a player. and i think what we're seeing behind this new push that really just materialize fairly recently, is a feeling a in rural run. this part that it was being beaten in this game by it's right. whole uganda, uganda, back last year signed a deal with contrast to builds roads infrastructure

in, in eastern d r c to help d r c to export its minerals. and so it would allow uganda to crack down on the adf, which is a local rebel group. so i think that there was a feeling in rwanda. oh goodness, uganda and dfcs getting very polly, all of a sudden that's our area that's, that's our playground. that's all backyard, and we, we don't have to be today by all right, and this is, this is, you know, we are the key player in the great lakes. and if anyone's going to in comes on that i think that's probably the meditation not very attractive because we were hearing a few a few moments ago. there has been some criticism of rwanda from the you in the u. k . frost of the us. perhaps it's been a little more explicit in his criticism, but nobody's doing anything. why? when you reported it to earlier,

there are also reasons why the same group of western donors to support rwanda. they think of it considerable amounts of aids every year. and they managed to pull back only 810 years ago and, and rwanda accordingly on uganda. ford and heard that signal and i'm scaled back by support for them. 23. when it was terrorizing easton, the congo. there's a reason why a lot of this house nowadays are just not interested. firstly, they're all distracted by ukraine, which is my main preoccupation, the one ukraine. but secondly, if you look at france, france has gone from being very hostile towards the, the regime in kigali to being a best friend. it's relying on rwandan troops to deal with the hardest rebels. and most i'm fee or it's got total, has these considerable gas interests. the british are completely compromised now by the attempt which is currently booked. but that project to export, as i am, see,

because who are unwanted here in britain, the whole idea was that they were going to be sent to wonder that's on hold, but hasn't been cancelled as a project. so those are 2 key countries. key donors, which normally would be quite vocal in criticizing your lender and they've effectively been science. they're holding their tongues, they know perfectly well. what's going on. i, i speak to someone that has put those players and those officials and they know perfectly well what's going on, but they don't want to say that leave the states and the states won't stay on good terms with kick. golly, because there is this a merging profile, that rwanda enjoyed being the policeman of africa. and there's a feeling that may be, you know, increasingly, rwandan peacekeepers may have to play a role in combating the hardest right in the hell. so why alienate rwanda? so everyone's playing it softly and the resulting scenario of course, is

a convoluted to play the pay the price and do angel. what impact is, is all of this having all the people who live yes, thank you. good afternoon. oh, the effects are disastrous. as you may know, the 522000 refugees who are seeking asylum or we're in a huge in congo, diaz. i assigned that we have 5600000 internally displaced colonies. talk less of the one and all as fine. not in the neck, but in counties on these things. march this year, we have more than $262000.00 persons who is pleased and new. and most of these are actually displays for many times in the territory model. where you are the one is located. we

have 128000 persons who ha displaced. this is a law yet and not as the service of displacement. and i am glad to hear from the previous speaker that this whole all my, if i should say so, has begun almost 3 decades ago. and i know that there has been no peace. and if i may say, regardless of who is behind this, i believe the most important thing is that the people here on need piece. okay, then need piece at last. in the meantime, i mean that there, but there is no, no peace or what's being done to care for these people, as you say, who've been displaced. some of them many, many times before. we indeed are many needs, but the pupils are again and again,

this is definitely in dire need of center. my agency is the lead agency for the center cluster you when n a n d o, we are trying to bring about that shelter, not to this as a piece where any 80 that we need these and now any people are sitting an old old site and in schools or are public or buildings. we need to take them to some shelter. we have been working with the local authority to get a seat belt. but these people, and yet we got one which i understand now the security might not be guaranteed on top of water, which is not found there. so really would be that humanitarian trying to bring out the basic needs, including shelter, water, clean water and, and on, of course be so many challenges to face natalie's among them is continued

insecurity. that meeting needs the star, fred, uganda said on monday that is going to send a 1000 troops into the d. r. c to join the regional force which is fighting the rebels are tory, got hundreds of soldiers are under a separate agreement for what you are saying about uganda is involved in the conflict in the 1st place. a is the presence of, of uganda and force is gonna help or hinder the situation. so you're going to, going to join the, the, it's not forgotten like the time it's part of the community. and i have to say from a going with respect to you there is i have a lot of doubt on with it. that 4th is all can be really effective in is all the content can be knowing that many are countries in

both its own interest in maintaining some sort of security. so you rhonda has already made it there is fighting me in results so far in the area we there is the evidence of breaking into their fees. i don't know how i can come and then to be fighting against and to defeat. go through like mid to like rhonda who would be in a, in part of the, of the 4th time back in 33. there is also they came on in the region so far. i think there is a couple of hundreds of community meetings and that it's very key. yeah. with

by adding more and more and more choose without the piano nation that will lead to market this industry. why, why do people have so little faith in east africa initiatives and, and peacekeepers, i mean get, has to do on it's not and as well as just keep on like models going and i think it has to do with the years of coughing because i mentioned that piece has been going on for 4 years for 3 most there is people who have been obliged to leave their how dying for 5 time, and then region by group with the same b, m, d, and i buy them and uses of, you know, group they have the models we're on for 20 years. you've got the mean better and

then now is the i think you can understand clearly hoping the person who is in the lab results of un forces in, in the sea. and also the confusion of seeing the 10 people who yesterday came using better come back coming back is it is a savior. last and by the same thing, can you read in the region? and i think the people wanted to find a solution not only for on the stage of, of m to didn't phase little bit and but try to question, why is it possible that a group like that if we would keep recycling itself is up and probably not a question, but just put that question to the calorie in just a moment as well as, as,

as what she thinks of attempts to, to mediate piece. but 1st mckellar the u. k. and, and france protecting rwanda. well, they're protecting it with a silence, and they're protecting it by becoming, you know, collaborated with rwanda and various other projects. for francis support, it's a, it's aide to no avail. this major a grant to run de, depends on rwanda. full is peacekeepers. work in mozambique. it's got a lot invested in that total installation. britain is desperately hoping that rwanda, which is the most populated country in africa, is going to take all of these. i want to design them. so it's, those countries are basically, you know, the complicit but they, they've been silent because they are relying on the one that they have this completely hypocritical and a normal situation in which

a country that is creating conflict. union conflict is part of the conflict in east and condo, that just goes on and on and on, festering on and on for decades is being seen as a, as a peacekeeping policeman, elsewhere in africa, which, you know, these are 2 completely contradictory roles. but finally, the western house have signed up for that this arrangement so, so i think it's a part of the internet community really wants to see and enter them 23. they would need to put the, their aide agreements with rewind on the table, make it clear that the aid was coming to an end. and what we saw 10 years ago when the m 23 was devastating condo is that when they did that, then 23 stop being a problem pretty much overnight and it withdrew. you know, it was disbanded we, we've seen repeatedly once. once the west uses it's weapons of leverage kind of factory, but it's not do without leverage. mikaela,

what are the prospects them for the phase talks mediated by a girl as president of the russia jewel for the 3. are they gonna achieve anything? it doesn't seem to me that the issue i. c mean, you know, who's talking to who i and, you know, we have all these sort of these discussions with who can. yes, i'm meeting wonder, but people are still pretending that one does not involve in rwanda. still pretending it's not involved. so, i mean, there's a sort of lack of honesty about the whole situation. i think i think some, the leverage is going to be required. that's what's happened in the past. and in the meantime, we see, you know, the m $23.00 gradually heading towards goma. good is going to be a big challenge for them to be because it's prices are going to be streaming on popular that we've seen this in the past is a huge amount of anti trixie sentiment. i'm mostly damn high street made it told that you paint a pretty big picture,

maybe color for the for the moment. you think that this does nothing to, to end this country? i need a pretty short answer from you here. yeah, i think the international community needs to wield a bit big stick on rwanda, and that it's being invited to attend, caught me, things, and gama is being continues to be faces around europe. and in the industrialized, know if you cannot send out these messages and same time, ok that we missed that it time is against us. many thanks indeed for being with us . fred bama, angel, the conga at, i'm gonna, and michaela wrong. thank you for watching. don't forget, you can see the program again at any time just by going to the website at al jazeera dot com for further discussion. join us on our facebook page. you'll find that at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story, and you can join the conversation on twitter handle at h a inside story from me, adrian finnegan and the team here. and oh,

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