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arabia, in the opening game in one of the biggest shocks in football. well, come, history, saudi arabia, one of the lowest rank teams of the tune have declared to morrow a public holiday ropes late. those are the top stories here. when i was a 0, stay with us though. the stream is next. looking at what lies ahead for haitians. explore expelled from the united states. make sure we stay with us for that. ah ah. hi anthony. ok, welcome to the stream. you know, this is a show the often asked my quince asylum seekers. why would you leave your own home

and go in a perilous journey to come g m much about and you not to show what your future might be. they were going to all sat question of patients in the past year 25000 at least hoping to put it from the u. s. back to haiti, let me show you one of the most recent interdictions by the u. s. coast. got. it was just a few hours ago. the u. s. coast guard found a vessel full of haitians, and this is what happened when they pulled them aboard. this is known as an into diction. in the last few weeks, i've been reporting for out, as they was documentary say, was fort lines to find out why. so many haitians are not finding a welcome safety asylum in via nighted states. let's start with a trip i had with the u. s. coast. wondering when was the last time you remember me trying to be nice. it was probably

about a week ago, but i do have sales that are like not professionally made but are so together. and the patients are usually packed onto the boat. the 1st time you had some odd, i had to take a look at myself with the beer and say, this is really difficult, like these people are just trying to have a better lives. ah, we have to remind yourself that these are not always safe vessels and a lot of the times, but we find them it's because they're alive. so what lies ahead patient to port is from the us here to help us discuss this. we have gerlene and jake, and with law. welcome to all 3 of you. good to have you on board gerlene. many people who work with haitians, m u. s. and overseas know their work very well. please introduce yourself to our view as around the world. thank you so much for having me. my name is burley and joseph. i am the co founder executive director of the haitian. we are lions,

the black immigrants fund, and the come on advocacy network. what we work in focus with people of african descent in migration, specifically from haiti, get to have you. hello jake, welcome to the street. please introduce yourself. thanks for having me. for me. my name is jake johnson. i'm a senior research associate at the center for economic policy research in washington, and focus largely on 80 and u. s. policy. yet to have here and with law. nice to see on the screen, please say hello to have you as around the world. hello everybody. my name is william miller. cool. i'm a journalist based in for the prince and the editor, and she for able boast. i also right, so to washington post and to having all right, viewers, i know you've seen scenes of haitian deportees trying to get to the us being taken back to haiti. what are your thoughts about this? is this an intractable problem? or can the be some very easy solutions? we would love you to be part of our conversation. could be right with us right now

on youtube in the comment section. galion, i am thinking about the last time i think many of our audience would be thinking about haitians and haitians seeking safety and security. and that was just over a year ago, september 2021 on the border of the u. s. patti claim, who is one of our reporters, reported on scenes that were incredibly distressing to see. i just want to remind our audience the last time we really focused on haitians. let's have a lot. yes, this. oh, these are the al jazeera pictures causing outreach across united states. oh, desperate and hungry. he should migrants trying to make it back to a makeshift camp with food and water met by force. good. 6 0 so then he as a one is going to remember those pictures. they were so shocking. but after that,

there is an even bigger story about how many haitians were deported. very, very quickly, out of the us, tell us more what we saw in those videos and pictures are extremely disturbing. actually for the 1st time, last week i was able to speak with the gentleman you fall in the picture, the one that was being abused by the gentleman in uniform. and he went into the hell to explain what happened to him. and i couldn't stop crying because when he went into the tell to say what happens to him in how he felt that that moment he thought he was going to die. and he felt like he escaped and inter and his voice was disappeared. finally, and deported. he's still in hiding right now because i for matthew arrived in have

you the same people? he fled once again after him. so what we saw in that we'll in 2021 is september of 20. 21 is the we ali see of black people in the us, mexico border that we have been explaining for very long time in the way that the united they have been me treating them is, is our wages. and i can share with you that almost all of the people we saw wishing that we have been reported have been expelled, close to 26, how been haitian of people patients that have been sent to a see. and then by been alone and we, i will be sharing that because of the same time within 2 months, we're able to receive in a welcome over 26000 people from ukraine, willie and then being the mistreatment of black people at the us mexico border

within the immigration system, so i want, i want to be very clear on this. they might think, well, united states has a border at the bottom of having the security code of irregular migration. the white house causes irregular migration. so why shouldn't they be sent back to haiti? but there are us laws and actually international laws about people being able to seek asylum. and none of these haitians were given the opportunity regardless of what happened to them on their way or back at home. jake? yes, exactly, right. i mean the authority that the administration used to undertake these deportations, these explosions was under a public health law called title 42, which is implemented by the trump administration. and though it might be framed as a public health law is a back and way to enforce draconian and racist immigration policies by the chopped

administration. the reality is that the binding stations simply continue to do that . and the result of that is basically denying the right legal right to seek asylum on the behalf of these asian, of course, but also many other nationalities as well. jake, jake, thank you so much for that. i'm just going to bring in a story of a young man that i met when i was in haiti, he'd been deported from the u. s. he was running from violence. and i want you to hear and see a little bit of his story because with, you know, i know you have so many more stories to share with us. but let's have a listen to jack festival. but jack is 26 years old. he used to live in port a prince, but he's now in hiding outside of the city. i believe in one day shall. he's afraid to return home because he says a local gang accused him of writing them out to the police in this one and got the demo them i was he get a far one. if you are that you already know it

b. yep. i mean, as it is settled, fucking your package when, when, by what you either says to make up to revise the your, the up. there was some way for me with this game, se remembered the ave for me, with bob while mom, him because of your mean us rural. they've been very been with come deal with all. that's one reason for haitians wanting to leave haiti. what are the others? well, i hate, he is in the most difficult, much difficult situation today. i think the other panelists for the accounts when it comes to, you know, what happened to them when they cross the border of the us but inherited today, you have a very, extremely difficult situation of insecurity or, and, you know, thousands of people have been keep notes you know, funded from,

from the past year, but this year also me many, many years. again, sessions will tell you, for instance, that the level of violence that we are seeing more than 100000 people know this is keep balance situation and 83 percent of them actually were displaced by, you know, again violence. you have clara in the country that resurface in october. we're about, you know, 200 people were killed by the disease now. and you have more than a 1000 actually close to 2000 of infections. you have, you know, i said something about hunger situation, which is a silly concerning because you have a lot of people actually more than half of the country, close to half of the country in hunger situation. when you took all of these things, you took the insecurity to declare the question that people will try to leave and

they are fleeing a situation that is in part caused by u. s. policy. we can talk about the gun situation in 80, where you have, according to the justice department, the most guns that are retrieving crimes in haiti come from the u. s. and you also have a cute administration which is supported by the us and the said musician is increasingly being disputed by population. let me bring in some thoughts from our audience who are watching all 3 of you in that right now. guess i'm gonna give you out 3 points and you can just build off the back of them, but very briefly so that you can include our audience in the knowledge that you know. all right, so miss labelle, katie says, i am glad that the u. s. support ukrainians, but i wish this benevolent act was expend, extended to most or all people gillian, very briefly on this in that exactly. thank you so much for the commenting. that's

exactly what we are saying, though. well, coming up with dignity of your queen, requirements shall not be an exemption to the rule, but it shall be the war by which will welcome people regardless of their skin, color of country of origin. so that's where we really need to know to know. i was thinking, i was thinking, maybe the u. s. immigration system is a broken system, which is why so many haitians were picked up for didn't, weren't allowed to apply for asylum and they were, was sent to haiti, but it's not broken. it's may be how it is managed, that is broken because when you get an emergency like your crane, that was okay. absolutely. and i don't think it is book and them, it's working exactly the way they had to work and haitian for black black

people. but the patient please, this is not the 1st time. abuse has been applied upon our so we did this whole the way the system is working is not lost. and we always say you, why is it that when it comes to haitians, when it comes to black people, the violence instead of air, why do we always have to prove our money versus people if they happen to have the right path or director of us? yeah, if they been the far, the ally for them become with the right path for the right color, but when it comes to haitian insert you've all we, violet j. this research that you did that was, was very telling which was about how many flights left the u. s. and went to haiti in the past. you and you just track these flights, and these are the people taishan flight. can you tell us briefly what you found out because this is really,

this is the immigration policy or the deportation policy of the biting administration as it stands right now. yeah, exactly. and, and just to piggyback on the previous point to good. i think this is, this is really important, right? i mean, the example of the treatment of ukraine's it also shows what is possible, right? we often hear with haiti and the response as well. we don't have the capacity, we don't have the capabilities, the borders over run. we don't have a step. well here we can see what they want to do with will, right with political will. and so that does make the dream invasion to conscious decision, right? this isn't just passes and i think that's a really important distinction. so you know, these flights, i think this is a really important point because we don't know very much about how the system actually works. it's being, it's taking place behind closed doors and out of public site, right. and so the only way we're able to track these flights, we're able to get information about the numbers of flights that are actually going to have is by using flight databases and then trying to figure out which contractors have con, you know, have the contracts to fly deportees back under department of homeland security,

immigration and customs enforcement and doing this all sort of, you know, outside those official channels. right. and so it was really shocking to see these huge optics and flights. right. and that a time where the september 2021 that was just a month after the very devastating earthquake at the southern peninsula of haiti. and what we noticed also was that many of these people were being sent back were actually from that southern peninsula, were being sent right back into a disaster. so what i sounds very illuminating with law was, as i was talking to deportees from the us who were back in haiti, the treatment they received when they were in facilities in the united states not allowed to wash or bathe for 2 weeks. they were shackled on the way back to haiti. mothers with babies were shackled there any, any hygiene items, deodorant,

soap was taken away from them. so the whole process was dehumanizing. and then it looks like that process was deliberate. to scare the deportees into telling people back in haiti do not try to come to the united states. these terrible things will happen to you in the research and the, and the analysts and they are analyzation of what's been happening. it's been did cited that, that was torture, that migrants were being tortured with lot. does that jell with what you've been reporting on what you've been seeing? yes, i mean, when you talked to this magnets, i wasn't the ground for a boy in the washington was last year, especially for the 1st big ways. and one thing that strikes me and that kept repeating for migrants to d. o to my grants is how shots they were, how surprised they were to be mistreated and you know, by agents from,

from the u. s. and many of them actually were so surprised that such thing would happen while they were in facilities. and as you say, many of them are pointed not being able to take that many of them actually suffered physical abuses from, from asians. so some of them will, you know, put in chains in the planes coming back. many said to me, the last items, including ideas that they had on them, et cetera. and these treatments, as you say, are being considered maybe were infected because the try to make an example of these people. and when they are back to 80, maybe they can tell their story. so people know can be deterred to come to the us. but what, what is important for people to know is nobody choose to go on

a journey where they know they can die, where they know they are going to lose everything, including their lives for nothing. each. this situation in haiti that is difficult and it's the palace is actually that were implemented for the past 10 years, at least in this country. that brings us to the situation where we in right now. i spoke to the state department as i was doing this, reporting the 4 lines and about the situation and the treatment deportees killing, covered that color as fire fuel shortages. these are not situations where you would naturally want to send people back without hearing their asylum process. so when i say to the state department, i asked them about this situation with haitians. and i want you to hear a little bit of that discussion. have

a list never look 25000, at least haitian asylum seekers migrates, came to the us, looking for some where safe to live and they returned back to haiti. so my grandson and issues around repatriation are obviously extremely complex and difficult. this is something that the biden administration has taken on board and looking at a hemispheric wide solution to migration because the migration of course is not as coming from haiti when the haitian asylum seekers are being deported by to haiti. and they see a difference between how they're treated and how other asylum seekers have been treated. for instance, craniums family. as i said, these are extremely difficult questions that involve people's lives and people's wellbeing. and that is something that the state department and the broader us government is doing everything that we can to address those who spoke to the department of homeland security or we contacted them for this show and they decided

they weren't going to be on the show. but they said a couple of things via email i want to share with you guess, and you can tell me, are we heading towards a way of treating haitian to pull teas, humanely or haitian seeking asylum, or asia migrants more home, mainly with this, with this suggestions suggestions from the department of homeland security, the haitian family reunification, parole program. that means that certain haitians can move to united states if they have family members gerlene. i'm going to ask you to do this very briefly. 20 seconds is that helpful? not happening. they have said that you will do it, but today there is absolutely the will watson efforts actually to make this happen . so what i'm saying that we're all tired of excuses when it action ok. temporary protection status is now extended through to 2024 with nor is that

helpful. will that stop? i'm going to ask. yes. again. really wants to answer all of your questions. go ahead. no, no, no, i hope. all right. lisa, have not been extended. i hate see thank you. go ahead miss information and miss miss understanding what has happened even will continue with june. the 30th 2020 feel. d h u s. useful? hold us. yeah. that, that it's, or if we will, the ramos kids but it's still in the court in california. it's not for hate this specific. if you let me move on and just put in getting a little bit more gutting. i thank you for the correction. i appreciate that. all right, so on youtube, i'm just going to go to youtube whitlow so that we can answer some of these things . there is concerned that there's a different way of patients being treated from europeans being treated at. i think this person is take towing around the word racism. are you seeing racism in this

relationship between the u. s. and haiti? well, i don't know if i'm the best person to speak about this issue. what i do know is the folks that were sent back to haiti accounts for those, those people, the teen frankly, of racist act. i think no other bands can speak about that. but if anyone knows about residency, anyone who knows about the treatment of black people in the us can see similarities between you know, how haitian migrants being received their respects, the not being afforded. understanding of their situation that is not recognized. is the same with you know, history of respite. this is in mrs. smith's treatments of black people in the west,

and i'm not seeing any difference whatsoever. i'm going to bring in showing a sporting brown has on you to thank you, shawn for watching this. shawna says, i am so ashamed as an american they do not want black and brown people here that's . that's a big statement. i think you need to live in the u. s. to, to really appreciate what's actually means. earlier we spoke to robin, he wanted to share this with us, have a listen, have a look and enjoy peace. build the back of robin's thoughts. of a 40 years ago, u. s. congress passed the refugee protection act with overwhelming bipartisan support. protecting the right to seek silence for all persons, regardless of the color of their skin or the country in which they are born. yet we have a long history of denying this right to patience. for the past 2 years, they've been blocked and expelled from seeking asylum at our southern border and sent back to their country, which is in a worsening crisis. the u. s. government recognizes that to haiti is not a safe place and has rated at a level for security risk and granted temporary protected status. last year to

haitians are ready in the country. it's long past time for the u. s. government to abandon these to terrence based strategies that are harmful and do not work. and instead, embrace the policy of welcoming haitians with dignity and following our migration laws. like, is this like a yeah, yeah i, you know, i completely agree with that and i think, you know, there's 2 points that i'd want to make. i mean one is that the missed treatment of patients in our immigration system. not only is a historical reality, but has been sort of the tip of the spear of the korean modern carts, role immigration system. and so the detention centers and you see the prisons that we're holding migrants. and right, this started as a response to a wave of asian migration 40 some years ago. right. and then the other point we need to consider here, right? it's not just the missed treatment at border. right. there's a reason that haitians are playing and it's not just this, just the current situation on the ground, but the product of a history, right, and

a history that i would states and other foreign powers have been extremely involved . right. and so when we're talking about the root causes, we're talking about, i'm going to leave it. yeah, the root causes of the relationship between the haiti and the u. s. and y haitians are coming to the united states and then going to put it back. that is something that we will delve into even deeper on the next line. feel no country. the haitians as and premise. november the 23rd at $2230.00 g m t, darlene jake. little i'm the u. s. thank you for being part of today's program. i see next time ah

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