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this is our desert. these you top stories, an explosion in west jerusalem has killed at least one person, an injured several others. police say an explosive device inside a bag went off at a bus station. police also conducted a 2nd controlled explosion, which injured 3 people. alan fish as more from west islip. so you can see the scene here at the remote in west jerusalem that there's behind me, there's a great deal of traffic tiers, huge number of police and there's really army on the scene. this was the scene of the 2nd explosion. we're being told it was a controlled explosion, but 3 people were slightly injured by shrapnel. just a few moments before there was a major explosion at the central bus station and the entrance to jerusalem. beer is really on the radio. are suggesting that there was explosives parked inside a bicycle that was left at the bus stop. poor weather is hampering rescue efforts,
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and indonesia often earthquakes struck west job a province. on monday, we shall say at least 268 people died in the magnitude 5.6 quake, many of them children at least 22 people have been injured in an earthquake in west in turkey. the magnitude $5.00 tremors struck the town of gal kaya induce gate province. it could be felt in istanbul and the capital on cara. how coats happened, reported officials in turkey, a say more rockets have been fired near its order and opposition held areas in northern syria. these 3 people were killed in cheese days attack in his eyes. and kara has blamed a kurdish armed group us retail chain. wal mart says it's shocked by fatal shooting at one if it still was in virginia. gunman open fire at the supermarket in chesapeake, killing 10 people. the motive is not yet known. and the u. s. supreme court has cleared the way for donald trump's is tax returns to be released,
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the democratic lead house committee. the court denied the former president's application to block the treasury from turning over the files. malaysia king will meet members of the governing coalition to help him decide who will be the next prime minister. the country's been in political limbo since it's elections on saturday. coming up next inside story, stay with us. watching the world cup in 1982 glories technicolor from survey. i've never seen anything like it plays a lot of come from a different planet. and after that, i was all in the world reporting from joe hall, which is now more at home on the very 1st welcome in the middle east. it is it is a hugely complex and often controversial events and cover. but once a bull is passion and the excitement of psycho hundreds of thousands of congolese are caught in
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a conflict between foreign bank fighters and the soldiers trying to stop them. lawanda is accused of supporting the m $23.00 group and allegation it denies. and some powerful nations seemed powerless to prevent the bloodshed. this is inside story. ah, hello to welcome to the program. i'm adrian finnegan. i renewed offensive by m. 23 fighters in the eastern democratic republic of congo has forced hundreds of thousands of people from their homes. there are reports of extra judicial killings, torture and rape. the rebel group has ignored international appeals for a cease fire that is now marching on goma. the regional capital, the conflict is pitted the governments of the democratic republic of congo and neighboring lawanda against each other. you and investigators have found evidence
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that anyone does military is supporting m 23 fighters from gama. his malcolm web. the more than 200000 people have run away from the 23 armed group as it's advanced in east, in democratic republic of congo. so the local, so just started removing their guns that were in front of our homes and took them away. this is why we have to leave m 23 widely understood to be backed by rwanda. you can also have been accused of providing support. those governments deny it. un peacekeepers filmed 500 fighters entering congo from rwanda. earlier this year, for london soldiers have been photographed in areas held by him $23.00. the helmets have distinct plastic mounds for equipment. the same as those worn by some m. 23 fighters, seen in this video released by the armed group. congress forces of last ground to m
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23 in recent weeks. east african leaders are holding talks, has been fighting to the north of here, further down the road in the area that along the border with rwanda, which is just a few kilometers over there. a lot of the population from the towns where there's been fighting is fled this way into the city of go my way. tens of thousands of people staying and camps, people waiting to see if the heightened phlegmatic activity is actually going to change anything on the ground. people have demonstrated in cities across congo in recent months, against the u. canden president, you are in the 71 than president polk, gummy, they blame for decades of military aggression in congo. campaigners say the international community needs to help whom of a couple of years. i didn't, we don't have confidence in the east africa community to bring peace. we can never expect government to back down and withdraw. economic and military sanctions need to be imposed on wonder because it depends on funding from other countries. earlier
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this year, the u. k. pedro under about a $160000000.00 to receive deported asylum seekers. after decades of animosity, france and rwanda restored relations last year and french president emanuel micron promised half a 1000000000 years of 8 tens of thousands of people of enforced into insanity camps . the u. s is expressed concern over one involvement. the u. n. u k in france, have condemned them 23, but they haven't said who's backing the grid for you care. we know that the have this deal. we've, we've veranda. there is also france, we've always been involved. we've, we've run day and the can be a barrier to take time for the right decision, which should be to make sure that's all this is that you stop rwandan soldiers fighting insurgents in northern mays. i'm big, where french oil john toe towel has
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a $20000000000.00 gas project. they were the same helmets as some m. 23 fighters. 9 years ago, connelly's force is defeated them 23 and it's fighters fled to wonder when you got into that time. congo had international military support, and the u. s. and other countries blocked military a to rhonda this time, people here awaiting to see if politicians from this region and beyond who do what needed to bring peace and let them get home. malcolm web for inside story. well, as malcolm mentioned in that report, the u. s. embassy, along with the invoice, belgium, france, and the u. k. have issued a statement calling on the m 23 to immediately withdraw and end the acts that violate an international law and to see so still it is. but that statement stopped short of accusing any countries of backing the rebels. but the humanitarian crisis
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in the democratic republic of congo is worsening and spilling across its borders. the un estimates that at least 280000 people have been forced from their home since march. at least 7000 of crossed into uganda. since october. children are disproportionately affected, more than a 100, have been separated from their families in areas where fighting is taking place. ah, that's bring in our guests for today's discussion from kinshasa, which joined by fred bomber. he is the executive director of abu tele, a congolese institute for research on politics, governance violence from liberal mercy. we're joined by angel the congress as am gonna the you and refugee agency representative in the democratic republic of congo and from london, which owned by michaela, wrong. a journalist on the author of do not disturb the story of a political murder at an african regime. gone bad. fred, we'll start with you. who is supporting the m 23 in that he r c. and why?
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thank you very much inviting me and so on this case from what you know, i'm from especially the, when the last group of experts in dentistry has been supported by rwanda. mentally since the beginning of the separation and the back to end of 2021. we know also from many people in the region that at some point we're not uganda. the answer to 3 now is important to mention that the support of rwanda on emphasis on this new em to if we remind people how to feed back in 2013 was also backed by rhonda. and then we saw many countries mobilize with special rhonda,
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which we don't really see, but frankly, i'm sorry to interrupt you. bought evidence. is there to suggest that when that is backing in 23 at the moment when randy is saying that it isn't? so there are many evidence is from, from, from drawing on by the un mission in the middle school. there is also a run in ministry where around it to the one of the best you can, we could go back in new to who 55 to see me. many, many from, from one thing to go that i think the reality of support run as opposed to entity free is known by many people, almost every people in, in the region. and i know for sure that many embassies with an embassies in other
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countries, with african embassy. they know clearly that around and some extent uganda in tennessee, and it's not out of europe that you're not calling out wonder. and so we'll come to you in just a moment to talk about the humanitarian situation, but 1st, at mckellar in london. why weren't ruined, admit that they're supporting the rebels in, in the d r. c. and, and what's of interest to rwanda? in the democratic republic of congo. why? but it want to destabilize the region. well, this is a game that ruined has been playing since 1996 when it's supported to rebel group b, d l, that time cost into into it was the democratic republic of congo. to break up the camps of refugees, of who to extreme refugees, members of the former army that were camping and the and that of course,
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that rebel group ended up toppling movies. i think the president of the day. so ever since then, really you've seen this history of rwanda in the southern parts in q and uganda for the to the north booth. regarding it really as i prerogative to go into democratic republic of congo, which is the country by the security forces. have a real problem of exerting control and using as i play grounds, doing as they wish, controlling the local politics and will so either bring up the mineral resources or labeling large scale smuggling of all the precious metals that we know are in, in science. so it's got a lot of interest in that it likes to be seen as a player. and i think what we're seeing behind this new push that really just materialize fairly recently, is a feeling a in rural. i'm run this part that it was being beaten in this game by it's rival
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vanda, so uganda back last year signed a deal with contrast to builds roads infrastructure in, in eastern d r c to help d r c to export it's minerals. and so it would allow uganda to crack down on the adf, which is a local rebel group. so i think that there was a feeling in rwanda. oh goodness, uganda and dfcs getting very polly, all of a sudden that's our area that's, that's our playground. that's all backyard, and we don't have to be today by all right, well, you gotta, this is, this is, you know, we are the key player in the great lakes. and if anyone is going to end up in east and come down off that i think that would be the medication not very attractive because we were hearing a few a few moments ago. there has been some criticism of rwanda from the you in the u. k
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. frost of the us, perhaps it's been a little more explicit in it's criticism, but nobody's doing anything. why? when you reported it to earlier, there are also the reasons why the same group of western donors who support rwanda . they think of it considerable amounts of aids every year, and they managed to pull back only 810 years ago and, and rwanda accordingly on uganda. ford and heard that signal and i'm scaled back by support for them. 23, when it was terrorizing eastern, the congo. so there's a reason why a lot of this has nowadays, i'm just not interested. firstly, they're all distracted by ukraine, which is their main preoccupation, the one ukraine. but secondly, if you look at france, france has gone from being very hostile towards the, the regime in kigali to being a best friend. it's relying on, we're one in troops to deal with the hardest rebels. and most i'm fee or it's got
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total, has these considerable gas interests. the british are completely compromised now by the attempt which is currently booked. but that project to export asylum seekers who are unwanted here in britain, the whole idea was that they were going to the center wonder that's on hold but hasn't been cancelled as a project. so those are 2 key countries. key donors, which normally would be quite vocal in criticizing your lender and they've effectively been science holding their tongues. they know perfectly well. what's going on. i, i speak to someone that has put those players and there's officials and they know perfectly well what's going on. but they, they don't want to say that leave the states and the states won't stay on good terms with kick. golly, because there is this a merging profile that rolanda enjoys have been the policeman of africa. and there's a feeling that may be, you know, increasingly, rwandan peacekeepers may have to play a role in combating the hardest right in the south. hell, so why a rwanda?
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so everyone's playing softly and the resulting scenario of course, is a convoluted to play the pay the price and do angel. what impact is, is all of this having all the people who live yes, thank you. good afternoon. ah, the effects are disastrous. as you may know, the 522000 refugees are seeking asylum all in huge, in cornwall, d asti, as a beside that we have 5600000 internally displaced colonies. talk less of the one media and all who have a sign on in the next. but in count pres on is since march this year, we have more than 262000 persons who is pleased and
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new. and most of these are actually displays for many times and in the territory. busy model where you are, the one is located, we have one on one and 28000 persons who are displaced. this is a law of yet and not as the service of displacement. and i am glad to hear from the previous speaker that this whole all my, if i should say so, has begun almost 3 decades ago. and there is no that there has been no peace. and if i may say, regardless of who is behind this, i believe the most important thing is that the people here on graham need teeth. ok then need peace at long last. in the meantime, i mean that there, but there is no, no peace or what's being done to care for these people, as you say, who've been displaced, some of them many,
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many times before. we indeed are many needs. the people are team. and again, this is definitely are in dire need of center. my agency is the lead agency for the center cluster that you when end or, and he or we are trying to bring about that shelter, not to this as a piece where me it is that we need these and now many people are sitting and all the old site and in schools or are public or buildings. we need to take them to some shantelle. we have been working with the local authority to get a seat belt. but these people and yet we got one which i understand. now the security might not be guaranteed on top of what we just not found there. so really
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would be that humanitarian trying to bring about the basic needs, including shelter, water, clean water and, and on, of course be so many challenges to face. natalie's among them is continued insecurity. that meeting needs the star, fred, uganda said on monday that it's going to send a 1000 troops into the d. r. c, to join the regional force, which is fighting the rebels at already got hundreds of soldiers are under a separate agreement for what you are saying about uganda is involved in the conflict in the 1st place. a is the presence of, of uganda and forces. gotta help or hinder the situation. so you're going to is going to join the, the not forgotten like in the it part of the stuff community. and i have to say from a company is perspective. there is, i have a lot of dollars on with it. that 4th is all can be really effective in is all the
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conflict in the knowing that many are countries in both is own interested in maintaining some sort of security. so you rhonda has already made it there is fighting me in results. so in the area we there is evidence breaking into the fees. i don't know how i can come and then to be fighting against defeat. so through like mid to like, rhonda would be in a, in part of the, of the 4th time back in. and so there is also they came on in the region so far. i
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think there is a couple of hundreds of community meetings and it's not with by adding more and more and more choose without the piano nation that will lead to market this industry for why. why do people have so little faith in east african initiatives and, and peacekeepers, i mean get, has to do on it's got and as well as keep on like models going and i think it has to do with the years of conflict because i mentioned that piece has been going on for 4 years for 3 days, almost there is people who have been obliged to leave their how the time for the 5 time. and then region by group with the same
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b, m, d, and i by the family of, you know, group, they have the model square on the 20 is the, you got the mean better. and then now is the i think you can understand clearly proofing the thrust of people in the lab results of you and and also the confusion of the, the 10 people who yesterday came using better come back coming back as it is a savior. last year, by the same thing that you knew to rebuild in the region. and i think the people wanted to find a solution not only for on this stage of, of, and didn't phase little bit and, but try to question, why is it possible but a group like and the free will keep recycling itself is up
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and that's probably not a question, but just to put that question to the keller in just a moment, as well as, as, as what she thinks of attempt to, to mediate piece. but 1st mckellar of the u. k. and france, protecting rwanda. well, they're protecting it with the silence, and they're protecting it by becoming, you know, collaborators with rwanda and various other projects. for francis support, it's a, it's $82.00, you know, it's unveiled, it's major a to run de, depends on rwanda, full is peacekeepers. work in mozambique it's got a lot invested in that total installation. britain is desperately hoping that rwanda, which is the most populated country in africa, is going to take all of these. i want to design them. so it's,
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those countries are basically, you know, the complicit they, they've been pilots because they are relying on their lender and say this completely hypocritical and a normal situation in which a country that is creating conflict. union conflict is part of the conflict in east and conduct that just goes on and on and on, festering on and on for decades is being seen as a, as a peacekeeping policeman, elsewhere in africa, which, you know, these are 2 completely contradictory roles. but currently the western house have signed up for that this arrangement. so i think if, if the internet community really wants to stay and enter them 23, they would need to put the pair aid agreements with rewind on the table, make it clear that the aid was coming to an end. and what we saw 10 years ago when 23 was devastating, isn't condo, is that when they did that, then 23 stop being a problem pretty much overnight and it withdrew. you know,
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it was disbanded that we've seen repeatedly once. once the west uses it's weapons of leverage kind of factory, but it's not do without leverage. mikaela, what are the prospects them for the phase talks mediated by our goal as president of the russia jewel for the 3. are they going to achieve anything? it doesn't seem to me that at the issue, i mean, you know, who's talking to who i and, you know, we have all these sort of these discussions with korea can. yes, i'm meeting rwanda. but people are still pretending that one does not involve in rwanda. still pretending it's not involved. so i mean, there's a sort of lack of honesty about the whole situation. i think i think some, the leverage is going to be required. that's what's happened in the past. and in the meantime, we see, you know, that i'm 23 gradually heading towards goma. good is going to be a big challenge for the i'm time free because it's a streaming on popular that we've seen this in the past is
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a huge amount of anti dirty sentiment. i'm mostly damn time st. made it so that you paint a pretty big picture, maybe color for the for the moment. do you think that this does nothing to, to end this country? i need a pretty short answer from you here. yeah, i think the international community needs to wield a bit big stick on rwanda, that it's being invited to attend, caught me, things as being continues to be faced around europe and in the industrialized. no, if you cannot send out these message is the same time. ok that we missed that it time is against us. many thanks indeed for being with us. fred bama, angel, the conga and gonna, and michaela wrong. thank you for watching. don't forget you can see the program again at any time just by going to the website. al jazeera dot com for further discussion. join us on our facebook page. you'll find that at facebook dot com
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