so in short, they couldn't really add an e r to the beginning of the association. so they worked with a middle part instead soccer. they found evidence. it was commonly used in the united kingdom up to around the 70s, and then it just stopped. it is such an interesting question, right? how a country or culture decides to orphan one of its own words. we could not find a single parallel case of this. there are words that fall out of fashion, right? or that used to be common and then we decide they're offensive when so there to blue. but we cannot think of a single case where a country says, not all we're here in dc. the word is proudly claimed i an american football. they're like 2 players that ever use their feet on this ball . so should a change with football make more sense. he has these kids, it's a unanimous, nope. not in the usa paddock line al jazeera washington. ah

ha, that is as al jazeera and these are the headlines. european interior ministers are gathering and brussels for an emergency meeting. to address the growing migration crisis, you in figures to show nearly 865000 asylum seekers of arrived in europe this year . and 13, that's 13 and a half 1000 more than in 2021. dominant cain is in brussels for that meeting. behind the a gender as it were of this particular meeting is clear concern from the newly elected sunni composed italian government under prime minister maloney who was elected on a program all toughening up immigration on a talking tough with you. well, that's the, it's at her instigation, governments instigation, as meetings being cold, but it is clear that all members states want some sort of resolution to the migration crisis. meanwhile,

the vigil has been held in france to honor the victims of the deadliest migrant accident in the english channel, south in one year since both carrying 27 asylum seekers from france to the u. k. sank. health authorities in china have reported the highest number of daily cove in 19 infections for a 2nd day. nearly 33000 were registered on friday. that's the most since the pandemic began near restrictions have been imposed imputing locked downs and mass testing. meanwhile, more than 20000 employees have left china's largest i phone factory angry curve in 1900 restrictions and working conditions. protests that lead to violence. the fox con fact change in joe earlier this week. fighting has resumed and eastern democratic republic of congo between government troops and m. 23 fighters. the congress government has rejected any direct talks with the armed group. rwanda as widely understood to back am 23 and allegation it denies. europe in union is

appealing to israel to end the solitary confinement of 21 year old palestinian prisoner on that manasseh. he was arrested in 2015 at the age of 13. on juris has declared a national emergency that steps up efforts to crack down on violent criminal gangs . president tomorrow capture has ordered the police and military to boost border control. well, those are the headlines. so be more news here. off the inside story. ah, anger and frustration and shyness repeated kobe 19 lockdown, hurts economic activity and to isolate millions of people so wide as beijing persist with strict policy, while the rest of the world is moving on. this is inside store.

ah and welcome to the program. it's great to have you with us, i'm 0 venue china 0 tolerance approach to code 19 involves widespread locked downs, travel restrictions and mass testing. but nearly 3 years after the pandemic was 1st identified, in one cases have surged to a new high. the outbreaks of forced shut downs, enlarge swats to the country, despite the strict policy being eased earlier this month. and the repeated lock downs have led to rare displays of public anger, including factory workers fighting with security forces. but we'll get our panel shortly. first hill, this report from michael. so sharif rest scenes of open descent in china

workers, the wolves, bigger siphoned, flattery, smash surveillance cameras, and fought with security forces already frustrated by co, 19 restrictions, isolating the plan from the outside world. if further angered by reports of payment delays, they employ a fox con has apologized. the protest come at a time when china's logging record number of infections that's been accompanied by lock downs and mos testing as part of preston. she, she pink 0 covered strategy. it was used earlier this month and now only affected areas are being locked down and not entire cities. people in beijing say the shut downs are taking a toll or not old on us all one your room going by the other. the other only by isn't covered nike curbs. can people live a normal life? otherwise everything is halted. how many people have savings to support them if things continue willing to hold it up. and even if you have money to stay at home every day,

that's not true. living that's lingering on the last breath of air. lo walks the nation rates among the elderly r a major hurdle. china's national health commission says 66 percent of those $880.00 and above a fully vaccinated and only 40 percent have got a booster. while in the us, the vaccination rate for seniors is more than 90 percent with berkeley and the other layers, slide, rental, strengthening health care system, measuring up 2 blocks in a day or low. then essentially, they're just kicking the car that wrote the international monetary fund is urging china to increase its vaccination rates. it's as persistent gaps in inoculations, a leading to frequent block downs and hurting economic activity. and financial analysts said no more estimate areas accounting, one, 5th of china. as cro domestic products are under locked down a share, bigger than the british economy. who may consume should eve for inside story.

ah, let's bring in our guess. i know a tang and a senior fellow at the ty, her institute a think tank based in beijing in taipei, alyssa garcia herrera, chief economist for asia pacific, at the french investment bank. net exists and in london, oksana pisec. you are at university college london where you leave the global citizenship program on outbreaks of infectious diseases. thank you all so much for being with us. first question to you are, the rest of the world is learning to live with cove. it is a time for china to do the same well, john has been fairly successful at what it's been doing. i mean it, it ranks like 80, it's number one in the world in terms of population ranks 89 in terms of the number of deaths. and you know, if you start looking at the, a. ringback you know, at the current situation, yes, they have $30000.00 cases, an absolute huge spike for china's standards. but right now,

many nations aren't even keeping track in japan, 3rd largest economy in the world. it had over 60000 cases and about a 130 decimal pair to ask for ian in china. so china has a lot in terms of it's passed. the question is, what is a do about future people keep saying, let's move on. that's like saying, let's move on from climate change. the viruses, the virus, you're seeing over $300.00 variance out there plus long cove. it is really hitting . a lot of people are about 3 percent still have symptoms one year afterwards. the chinese government is concerned about being overwhelmed with its medical system, having people dying in the streets. you know, this is a socialist country. they tend to put people 1st. i obviously, and i capitalist economy. they put the economy for. so it's, it's, it's a difference of opinion in terms of policy and culture. well,

you say they put people 1st, but a lot of people are fed up. that's something we're gonna have to explore. but i want to go to exxon of 1st exxon from a public health standpoint. what happens if china relax is it's anti cove measures? well, there are several things in 1st of all, the elderly population. there's a big vaccine gap there. and also just the types of vaccines that are being used. so we do see that the m r a name, pfizer, type vaccine is more efficacious. so there is a reduced, let's say, protective element. i think there's really important our next step is to to drive up that vaccination rate, particularly in the most vulnerable sections of society and switching which public health tools they are using. i'm to protect their people. so there will be, again, a bit of an immunity vulnerability gap in this area just because they have through a quite extreme measures been able to compare to other countries,

keep her cases relatively low. however, long term we do see that covert is endemic. so any, it does mean that there's going to be a situation in which, which there's, i've, unless there are other tools used. you can't go on locking down permanently. you have to balance public health measures. public health is not just about coded. public health is about other diseases to that people's health start to suffer because there's an obsession with just covered. that's not a healthy public health policy. okay. i think there's a key word and what you just said, which is balance. and that's what this entire conversation a on many levels is going to be about. let's bring in another aspect that needs to be balanced and factored into all of this is lisa, what is 0 covered? what are vision? 0 po cove, it policies doing the chinese economy well,

as of 2022, we have estimated the steel covey policies. i restrictions, immobility, basically any kind of lockdown of or, or other measures to have wiped out as much as 2.3 percentage points of growth. in other words, if china in the year which is likely around 3 percent, you would be in id. all girls boss, if he hadn't in much closer to the official packet, it would have been $5.00 other, you know, just if i went by the plus the target. so in a way one could even say that because of, you know, call me and jen has missed that goes back. but i can understand that that might be less important than saving lives and everything else. so, but i'm just saying it is costly that stay here. all right, so at the outset of this conversation, we see that there are competing factors that need to be balanced. there's economic growth, of course, there is how you do it. there's how people feel about it. all of these need to be factored in, and i know you said that in a socialist system,

people are prioritized over the economy. i want to read to you a quote. this is just something that we pulled off the chinese social media network, wible. it was written today was written on november 24th. it says this quote. it's been 3 years. i've never questioned our policy, but now looking at how everything is still the same as 3 years ago, endless locked downs, awful hospital food. and i turned around to see the cheerful crowd at the world cup . not a single person was wearing a mask. i can't help it. ask. is china the only place on earth with cove it outbreaks? now? i know how do you, how does beijing say to the 1400000000 chinese look. some of you, many of you millions amongst you are having to suffer lock downs that are decided overnight. that can be really drastic. and the rest of the world has somehow find a formula to avoid these. well, they haven't found a formula. i mean,

the u. s. has lost 3 years longevity since 2019. so there's been a cost, there's a $1000000.00 and so over 6 and a half 1000000 people dead, i think that's also a cost. or you can literally just say, well, you know what the heck, you know, everyone else is dying. who cares? and that's, that's rather callous. attitude in terms of the frustration, it's real, i can tell you, i'm in beijing right now. i'm under locked down. mean this is the reality of, of the different system. now you can say, oh, i don't like it, china should do this, but china's done pretty well through this entire period early country that's been consistently growing during this whole period. they manage the things fairly well. so saying that, oh, we don't like what you're doing because it's hurting us because we've been irresponsible and you know, our approach to this kind of nonsense. we know. yeah. there has to be some sort of question is about i hear your argument about how china has done so far and about

limiting the number of deaths. but i think the question now is ok, we're 3 years on from you know, the moment when issue initially the virus was detected in china. how do we move on to the next phase of virus containment? because this is not going away and that i think, i think everyone would agree that it's possible to move to the next phase. well, yeah and, and that's what china's trying to do. i mean, what a, the reason they had more cases because they haven't used these blunt instruments. the sledge hammer approach they had before, where they'd locked down an entire city until they had isolated every single case and stamped it out. right now. they're trying to be more surgical in their approach . in beijing, they resisted from having wholesale locked downs. they would go to communities and say, you locked down for 5 days instead of you know, the usual 3 weeks and they,

they've been trying to adjust, but it hasn't necessarily been producing the same results. but, you know, i'd like to ask you what, why is it that everyone's talking about china with 30000 cases. when japan has 60000 cases a day, and literally, you know, 50 times, nose, 30 times more. udette's a doesn't seem to bother anybody out there. and it's not an topic for conversation . so from beijing's point of view, they're struggling to do this. you think that they don't want economic growth. mean this has been the, the main hallmark of the entire chinese economy for the last 40 years. so, i mean, this idea that they're doing this to frustrate their, you know, their citizens is nonsense at the fact that, you know, we're discussing this now as if it's a major issue. when there are much larger ones out there is kind of kind of indicates a media bias such think, well, what i think is i think one reason we're discussing it is because we're seeing what

you might describe as unprecedented social unrest across the country. it's not just one city, it's not just 2 cities, it's several dozen cities where and you're in a country where, where people in a country where people are not lose to a big employer. oh, i respect you, but the specific you're talking about jen, joe, we're a taiwanese company, fox. yeah, all right. did not have the agent that had promised and you had a ride there. so what other social unrest, how are you talking about? i, ne, is it not just fox, we've seen pictures emerging out of china from multiple cities in a clear that doesn't normally allow air what cities and look what cities are you talking about? i, i my follow the news. i haven't seen it. well, i do have a v p n, so i follow everything. i follow the news to and i've seen it and i'm not going to be able to remember the cities not owing to the not owing to the fact that they don't exist owing to the fact that i don't remember. long lists of strategies, amounts of video media. i would agree with that. there's frustration across the

board and social media. ok, but being frustrated is not the same thing as denying it. it's like saying, i'm frustrated about global warming. i want to move on the global warming as a back just like the pandemic is a fact. so, and as you know, as are experts in, in medicine pointed out, this is going to continue. the question is, how do you continue? china does not have the medical resources that you have in the us or even in japan and south korea. ok, i see the question i want to response that you're having in japan. so let's get that point of view from exxon it from a public health point of view. how do you quote, unquote, move on. how do you start addressing this in a different way in 2022, then you were doing in 2021. 0, well there's a lot time pick here but and one of the things to also highlight is that no one on one hand we are just saying many countries, yes. have let's say dropped the ball and other ways that you can slow down

the spread of cov it. so i'm worry that the narrative of the conversation we're having right now is that either we're all cold hearted and we don't care and it's all live and we're happy for people to die because they're less off. there aren't the sake of quality inn walk downs, right? at that, but there's more, if you don't only have the option of draconian locked down, you can have air filtration. you can have ensuring that there are other types of treatments available. you can still encourage people to have support when they isolate you can still use things like a face mask, et cetera. those are all the tools that are available to us. so i think that's where the balance lies. it's not saying at cove, it's totally overdue, nothing. i think some countries have done a really good job of ensuring that in addition to now having this booster campaign over the winter with the bi vaillant booster, to add up that a boost in,

in unity, that's a really important and in vaccine plus. so again, we don't need to completely polarize it to say, if you're not locked on, you're not doing anything because that's not fair to a lot of other countries, but it's really a blended approach. so i think that in terms of, again, the, the unrest that we're seeing that's a result of that kind of more extreme ways to deal with health issues. but one thing that's interesting is that all over the world, even in countries where there's more, let's say state media, censorship, the issued anti vax has not gone away. so there is some distrust of the vaccines in china just as we have seen that distrust in every other country. so i think this is a moment to try and learn from each other in terms of how do we continue to build trust within relief experts and science medicine. so that's

a coming together point i around really using the tools that are available to us. and since, since you talk about the tools that are available, you mentioned the importance of vaccination. a currently 80 year olds, 66 percent, just under 70 percent of 80 year olds in china, fully vaccinated. compare that to and only 40 percent of how to booster compare that to about 90 percent, to the same age group for sorry, for seniors, for seniors, in se the us. how important is it to increase vaccination coverage in china? well, in that one, again, we have, i believe, 1400000000 people who, who are vaccinated. but there are 2 elements of this, the efficacy. the vaccines are used also, as you said, that most vulnerable age gap, where they're most likely to have the most severe consequences. the co that there is this lack an uptake or other vaccination delivery failure.

and that needs to be again, and that's a big vulnerability spot within the coven strategy. and it could be why the rationale for the types of responses that we have seen. however, i lack scenes this. i need to switch to m r n. a vaccines which you seem to be alluding to earlier that make a significant difference in your view. i think so. certainly, i mean there that, that is one a what you said when i don't understand. ok, where are you coming from with this idea that these vaccines, i mean lance, a new england journal medicine, they've all come out and said that if you've had 4 instances either had coverage or you've had any mix of vaccines and you've had 4 of them. they have the same advocacy, whether they are the chinese vaccine or other countries or m r and a. so were you getting this idea that somehow or superior?

yes, we do see that there is a number to a w h o and he's, he's assured me that this is corrected and i also read it up on the journal. so which journal are you referring to? which study are you referring to? when you say that m r n a is in total, after for more effective than a mixture of these well, certainly the by valan booster, that has become more available. there has been recent publications with the jan there, there's a publication in jama. well yeah that, that highlights the, i think is the gap. now, it is difficult, i will say, because there has been some transparency surrounding issues around this. i novak and sino farm. so she have more of the we would love to have more transparency on that aspect. but there are studies that indicate there's and is the superior vaccine. lisa, if you have a minute, i want to bring in

a lease. yeah. been denied access. sorry guys i, i'm going to jump in here and i'm going to cut this just a little bit short, respectfully, i want to bring in a lease here from the economic standpoint because this is the 3rd major pillar that you really got to factor in here to provide a countrywide response. most of the economic forecasts are forecasts that are basing their forecasts for chinese growth in 2023 on the assumption that china is going to open up and, and most forecasting houses believe that would happen in the 2nd half of 2023. now why? why do you make that assumption, or there are, there are factors there that you believe that's going to be the case where you just assume that that would be a, a reasonable response from the chinese government. well, i mean, most alleles are expecting the chinese government to, to engage in assist a vaccination campaign basically. and then because independently owned on the

efficacy of the vaccines, let's just think of increasing the, the, the, the vaccination ratio. yeah. especially for elderly. so it, it seems to me in no brain there that this is janet can do that. and i think when comparing the number of best to be frank, i think at an am an economy say, but the only thing i have to say them, they said before and then after. and that's when vaccinations were ready. and even if there's been additional at, gosh, it's after the vaccination rating there, of course, less so i guess china will have to cope with that as everybody else. but we have to be after the vaccination rate is as high as it has been elsewhere said, listed singapore or, or, or any, you know, many, many countries in the world. so i guess that was chosen underlying assumptions, vaccination a time or it's so alyssa,

you were saying vaccination rate is one aspect the economist looked at to see what measures vision might take that would impact the economy. what other measures or economists looking at basically the degree of mobility. so what we've learned very clearly in the european case, 2nd wave i dealt and much more. so we've only crone is that you could have much more targeted measures. i do use mobility much less and still have an efficient cobit policy. so i think that's the other thing. can china find ways in which still keeps cases at bay, but in a way develops immunity because that's another important issue. you need to get to that immunity level and, and, and therefore avoid that. but at the same time a harm the economy less. that's the question in order to expect. 3rd in 2023 to

expect that next year china and choosing ping might finesse their policy. mixed to deal with coven. i still think they're, we're dealing with it from a scientific perspective and, and they are not without false me why a year ago, last fall. and they took their foot off the gas in terms of getting people vaccinated. and the fact is that regardless of what vaccine you get, 6 months after you've had your last booster or your original 2 shots, the advocacy has gone down dramatically. and you can check that with the science side. and so you have to have basically every 6 months and not a booster, and china hasn't had that, the people did get it. it's in many cases, year, year and a half since they've had their original shots. they need to get boosted. so china's internal target, i believe, is 60 percent vaccinated within the last 6 months either whether booster or original ones. obviously they're going after the low hanging fruit in terms of the

elderly. there's about 24000000 ah, elderly, who have not ever been fascinated and absolutely what alicia has referenced this mobility issue very much on their mind. that's why they've been trying not to have these wholesale locked out. it's a tricky thing. and as i said, if they have the kind of medical facilities to do with it, they would do it. but, you know, the reason i was being difficult, cyril, is that right now you have 7 other countries that have many more deaths, including austria, with a fraction of the population. you have south korea, japan, taiwan. no one's talking about that. they have far more deaths. i case taiwan 30 times more debt, 20 times more deaths. i mean, it just seems odd that china is always the one that's being blamed as somehow the villain in this when they been in the past more successful. yes i right. they have to adjust. all right,

we'll look. thank you very much. absolutely. nobody here is calling or framing china as a villain. and you will have noticed that coven policies around the world in all countries, not just china, and not exactly something that we under report. it's something that we look at pretty forensically across the world, but i know we heard all your arguments and we always appreciate a robust conversation here on al jazeera. so i want to thank all our guests. i know tang and lisa garcia hero and exxon a pic and thank you for watching as well. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com to further discussion. good or facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha. inside story, you can also join the conversation on twitter or handle a j inside story, from me several venue in the entire team here in doha life. ah

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