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this is inside story. ah. welcome to the program by by the heel robin, no concessions. that's the thrust of a lot, a defiant speech by rod supreme leader, ayatollah ali. how many rejected protests as demands the reforms, calling them riotous. he was addressing members of the passage a paramilitary group. hundreds of demonstrators have been killed since the death of mass armine in police custody. in september, the protests have turned into one of the biggest challenges to ron's clerical leadership. since the 1979 is lubbock revolution. but wrong by fees that he saw in this recent matters to persecute a people of pursuit, sacrificed themselves to prevent
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a nation from succumbing to the force of group of killers, rebels, illiterate, and enslaved people. they sacrificed himself to prevent the cruelty of another though that to our palo shall be the 1st our correspond the door said, you baris inter. ivan sums up the key details in ayatollah have you had a speech. the supreme leader, i told the common age at the age of 18, we remained very much in the similar tone that he has had over the past 33 years since he becomes the supreme leader over on he said that there are still western powers trying to bring down the islamic republic that had a revolution 1979. he said that it is the role of the bus, each members to make sure that the ideologies of the revolution continue. he also said that writers to call them will pay the price for their actions and will undoubtedly be dealt with just to let you know. there are now 6 people that i've
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been handed down death sentences in iran for their roles in their riot. the official charge is one that is waging war against the states. there are over 1100 people in iran that are now facing trialing. been indicted. 40 to human rights, who are over 17000 people who are being detained since a debt pro has began. and the supreme leader also took the time to talk about the united states and the ongoing negotiations without nuclear deal of 2015. you said that we cannot continue concession if we continue to get into their demands. they will continue making them at one point they want us to change our constitution and ultimately get rid of the guardian council, which is an assembly in iran that deals with electing reading candidates for various electro bodies in the country. ah, so let's bring in august for this edition of inside story from ron has and there
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might be on is an assistant professor of middle east studies at the university of ron from london, roxan, the farm and family. and she is a lecture on the middle east politics at cambridge university and from springfield virginia. doug under is a senior fellow at the cater institute. welcome to all our guests. has some kind of come to you 1st into iran defiant speech which talked outside forces for the problems that iran is facing within its borders. obviously, the speech was addressed to a very high profile militia group who maintained law and order in certain parts of the country. what did you make of it? i think the address was to the by siege force, which is way more than militia. it's a multi dimensional voluntary force that is believed to be the backbone of their stomach or public the supreme leader address of the siege.
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and, and i think the format was signaling the strength of the support base amaco public enjoys. i think that was directed at the west, particularly the united states, to the supreme leader accused of trying to destabilize the country if that message went also to the besieged forces. and iranians in general, that destabilizing iran and weakening, get through engagement or through propaganda is part of us on western policy. i think is one main point that he made. ok, i will dig into this a little bit deeper. rock sounds like come to you in london. what's your general impression of what you heard? it's not, it's good to get these youth from you might say across the global perspective. and yes, i agree. i clearly, he was addressing a group that has been out on the streets and has lost several of their members. and
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there is some 40 members of the bus each and apparently have lost their lives as part of the containment of the uprisings from their perspective. so i think it was a speech to, to give them hope and support. and us clearly indicate that he got they were doing a good job because he was dismissing the protesters, calling them rioters, and finding them very relevant to the overall purpose of the islamic republic. which is to step to stand up to his gemini, a much larger picture. and that had germany, of course, refers to the united states and western capitalism and secular modernization. so it was a, an opportunity for him to likewise show how small and how irrelevant. as i
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said, the, the concerns of the protesters were compared to what the overall driving force of the islamic republic is and the role of the passage. therefore, it was sort of a pep talk in some ways as well. you know, okay, we will dig into this, obviously, doug's opinion from springfield. of course, i bet the white house and state department were listing quite intently considering they've been following. what's been going on in iran, certainly over the last 2 months, very, very tacitly. well, this reinforces the message that the government has been presenting and which is not so much to address the grievances of the protesters, but rather to argue that outside forces are blame. and that the basic, you know, these demonstrations should be ignored or suppressed because they are a threat to a wrong. and it ties into a well established me where joe has a certain justification that is the united states in the over the past decade has
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intervene in iran. so this is gotta pulling that history forward, especially to a younger audience and is a way of trying to dismiss all the troubles now and to play upon nationalism to support the regime. okay, we'll talk about the relationship with the tenuous relationship with the united states. a little later hasn't just come back to you and we just focus on the recent upheaval that the death of massa, meaning in police custody of the issues of the head scarf and the way women dress in a general, a more wider approach. how much of what we've seen on the streets is about personal freedoms and civil liberties in iran. and what's your impression of the way that the authorities have been trying to deal with that shift over the years
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as we live in a more modern world. and you can't stop those influences even penetrating into iran . of course, there is much frustration and segments of iranian society about the policies that have been in place. but you see there is, there is also another portion that is supportive, very much supportive. that was addressed by the supreme leader. i think i would differ with the american guess that he didn't voice any support for crack down on a position or writers as he called them. he basically talked about the way to deal with them, as in the term he uses jihad, the type in that is a struggle to promote the truth, as opposed to western propaganda, igniting internal to him while, as a west and agenda. that's the way he framed it. and he tried to
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convey the message. now of course, there are frustrations within the wine in society about not only the dress code, but also about corruption, mismanagement. and i mean, he has repeatedly also spoke about them and talked about the need for formation in many ways and the need for the administration to deal with those grievances. but the same time he also distinguished those, you know, criticisms, and protesters and protests from the rioters, as he called them, saying that these are things that basically ignited are ignited by the west and are i think of the policy like in the country. i'll just jump in there how things are going to come to rocks and it's so easy, isn't it? to blame the west or infiltrate is at the end that these are a radians,
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although radian soil complaining about whatever they want to complain about to the, to the anger of the authorities works. next i just come here because for the supreme leader to talk publicly on television as well, even if it is to this besieged militia group, to actually take the air waves gives perhaps the impression that those at the top are nervous that the government and it's all forty's, lower down the chain, are unable to quell the anger of the public, and it's up to the supreme leader to basically, you might say, tight and tightened the rope beat them over the head. however, you want to describe it, but to tell the public, hang on a 2nd, we're still in charge, and this is how it's gonna happen. it's a message that then reverberates to various elements of the security services. yes, that's certainly one way of putting it, but i don't think my impression is that the, those at the top don't think they're in charge. and there is as much a purpose in this to send out a message to the country,
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which is clearly an upheaval to indicate that there is a problem. and these need to be addressed in their, in their view. and according to the way that he, he expressed the out the solutions. so i think that it, we misunderstand iran to think that the, those at the top are all concerned about their position. there have not been strikes. there have not been large labor groups joining the protest i, although they are widespread and have been quite continuous. the fact of the matter is that they are not as big as some of the previous protests. and the government itself does not feel as though they are responding incorrectly by exercising this level of repression because they feel as though there are other groups. there have
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been very large sets of mourners that have turned out to, in response to the death of a number of those in authority. so they feel that it's not being covered as much by the foreign media. certainly the western media. and so i think there's, there's, we misunderstand the situation if we feel that this is at the moment, giving a sense to the government that it's in the position of frailty. i don't get that impression. and that's what we wanted to clarify whether you know leaders or people in positions of power go on to the air waves because they feel that position is either being undermined by those within the regime or by the public at large. i mean, doug bad, i mean, what's the general american impression way and the supreme leader does take to the air waves and do they do the us? does the state department, you know, finally and a minute we analyze every word and every element of a conversation that is being had between the supreme lead and his people. or
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certainly the state department in us officials should play close attention. i have never been impressed with the u. s. policy towards iran, which i think at times has shown more wishful thinking than realism. i think that the supreme leader is speaking. it makes an awful lot of sense. he's doing 2 things . one is speaking to the security services and lauding them for, for their efforts. and this is obviously very important for the regime. and 2nd, what he wants to do is prevent the spread of these demonstrations. as mentioned, i don't think they have been broad enough to really threaten the survival of the ruling establishment. and what is critical then is to contain them and over time shrink them and hopefully from the standpoint of the government, extinguish them. so to present a narrative that these demonstrations reflect outsiders and not patriotic iranians
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is a very sensible message for the government to send. so what he's doing, i think any government under siege tries to do, which is buttress at support. and also calm down the critics. and, and his speech strikes me is doing both of those hassan can come to you and to her on, i mean, what lessons have been learnt by the iranian government over civil disturbances over the years. because a whole range of issues have been raised in the past. 2 decades of sudden even 2009 onwards. b, it disputed elections. price rises, petrol, availability, low wages, corruption within the government, water availability and protest by farmers, bus drivers, students. i mean, a whole range of issues have come to the full front, have been on the streets of teheran and other major cities. how did these demonstrations and these disturbances very from what we've already seen in the past
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. i think they have different causes and they have been dealt with differently over to over time. i think that what strikes me is the ability to reproduced legitimacy over time. i mean in 2009. there were millions of people literally in the streets, but 3 years later, people were dancing for, you know, electing a new president and giving back the legitimacy that was felt as last back to the political establishment here and to her on i think there are some public have learned over time, how to basically come to terms with the different challenging voices raised within through some, you know, reforms and through some new instruments and ways to deal with them. and this is part of the equation. but what's new,
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i think in the debate is and i think the supreme leader didn't make that many, that much new points on this. but what, what came new was that the message to the united states and the west that these will not lead to can sections. i think this message was very strong. he came with different examples of previous western influences, trying to extract more concessions from iran, saying that this will not happen. we did that back in 2015 with the j. c. p o a. and they basically we nagged on their commitments. now they want more and he put it very clearly that he is not willing to allow that to happen again. so i think that message is the main point in the speech. and he basically talked about the internal rioters slash, you know,
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for testers. and the way to deal with them is through the, you know, spreading the truth that is, are facing that this information misinformation that is poured in the scene from the west as it puts it. yeah. but i think of the policy or point of his speech was that no concessions don't bank on this. i will not yield any a new, no compromises to the west, particularly to the united states. that is back in this protesters again against a, according to the supreme leader. yeah, i mean, it looks like i bring you in here because mean any disturbances in iran are often blamed on outside forces. we hear that time and time again, coming out of iran. of course, let's talk about the j. c p. o way that nuclear agreement, that was the poster halt, iran's nuclear development of in lift and the of option was to lift sanctions and to help with the rating economy that all fall apart under the trump administration
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. for our viewers who are watching this. but the whole issue of concessions is something that of the iran is not willing to bargain on. and as hassan just said, you know, it's sort of like a bit of a red line. but from your understanding for the people you talk to inside and outside of iran, behind closed doors, are there any sort of mutterings or murmurings that some sort of negotiation has to happen at a political level and concessions and leeway given take half to occur in some shape or form, or even if it's not around the j. c p, away, but in the lead up to the j. c. p. o, a being you might say reformed in some fashion. well, of course they have been negotiating for over a year ever since biden care, 2 years after the bible came on to it, to the presidency. so i think there the, the negotiations had reached concessions on both sides. but i think
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in many ways for hominy, the supreme leader, the risk is of course much greater because there is no guarantee the u. s. can give him that they won't withdraw again. and the greatest setback he could encounter would be to renegotiate and sign on the dotted line, and then have the united states withdraw again. and in many ways in his view, betray him a 2nd time that would truly mark his tenure, a failure. so i think there is a great sense that they've tried. i think the west feels the same way, but that they have not succeeded. and so i, i agree i see this as a, as, as quite a typical screech by hominy. but i do see it in, in 3 tiers, if you will. he's making a foreign policy statement about the j c. u a which he called the j c p,
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a way to which was quite interesting. and that, that kind of challenge that, you know, united states represents, is the larger picture that the, that those in the street should understand is, is read the goal of, of iran, or they're not helping it. and they need to either stand or be put down, it sort of interrupted, i'm glad you finish your sentence. i don't like them to you of the very difficult position for the u. s. as roxan said, you know, you have different administrations coming into power, taking away all counseling agreements, you know, as we see between of the printer and i went to the by the administration because calls in these negotiations. we talk about influence. we talk about, you know, iran's position in the world and in the middle east, of course, iran has those influences in lebanon, yemen, iraq, and wildly america and its allies would like to cattail that the j. c. p. away was a way of perhaps bringing iran into line folk for want of
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a better word. these issues are very difficult to balance for the us right now. especially when administration's renee got an agreement and one can understand terrans position about why they would want to shake hands at any level with the west and with the u. s. when these sorts of things are happening. well, they're as frustrated with the j. c. p. o, a even under the obama administration, because many companies were reluctant to go to iran even after the j. c. p. away. so iran did not get as much of an economic boost that it was hoping for. and of course, the trump administration was simply a disaster when it came to relations with iran. apparently president trump really thought that he could effectively force the surrender of iran on its foreign policy . and of course that didn't happen. and the biden administration came in and
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appeared that it wanted to essentially use what it thought was leverage created by the sanctions from trump to force negotiation on other issues. and of course, other issues, yes certainly should be discussed, but the only way to win concessions from iran would have been for the united states to make corresponding concessions. and that didn't seem to be really part of the process of. so it's a great disappointment where we've ended up because the nuclear issue itself is very volatile. it dial brings on the worst of hawks within the u. s. foreign policy establishment. it also brings in the issue of israel and what it might, how it might respond. and then on top of that, of course, you know, what we see is trying to move forward on any other issues to be much more difficult without a resolution of the nuclear issue. ok, welcome to the end of all prior, not to the final thought to hassan into iran about where you think this will all.
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and can these protests come to an end? naturally will a doubt naturally will they continue? what's your general sense of what you see in here in iran right now? well, recently we've seen them, you know, basically, you know, decreasing in the streets and the inverse cities where i, where i teach, basically. so i think, you know, when, when the process is lengthy and there is no leadership leading protesters and they turn to be, you know, incorporate, try utters that the end is quite clear. taking into account previous experiences, they will die down eventually because the society will not back insecurity come in with the rioters in the streets. initially, they were not that violent, but over time they took
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a violent path that brenda them away and distant from the society. and i think this actually led to them shrink in over time. and i think the administrative protocol system does, doesn't need to do much about them to distinguish them or push them away from the major a society that is not there in the streets now. okay, well just see what does happen. certainly in the coming weeks for the moment we have to enter that i'm afraid about rectifying cason. m at the inter, ron rocks on the phone with me on in london and doug bando in springfield. thank you all for joining me on this edition of inside story and thank you for watching as well. you can see the program again anytime by visiting a web site with algebra dot com and for further discussion gets well facebook page . that's facebook dot com forward slash a j inside story. also join the conversation on twitter handle. there is as
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