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celtic tribes and roman and saxon invaders. wales is often believe to be a province of the united kingdom. in fact, it's part of a political unit of 4 nations that form the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland. wales has its own language, traditions, heritage and culture, and its own national football team. for the 1st time in 64 years, they qualify for the world cup during $11.00 against the united states and their opening match. thousands of welsh crowns have travelled to cut off a cheer on their team in their most awaited return to the global tournament. one of those who made the journey is the 1st minister of wales. we caught up with him. indo hall. mark dreyfus talks to al jazeera ah, close minister coy so he bo ha coy, so it out of here. a welcome to though,
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how welcome to al jazeera, give us a. this is the 1st time that well to qualify for the woke up in 64 years. what took you so long? but it wasn't for lack of trying. i can tell you that we've come very close to qualifying a number of times over those years, but to be on the stage with only 32 countries around the world in football is a hugely competitive business. wales is the smallest country to qualify for this world. cup of am guitar who are here is the host. so it's a huge achievement because rugby and wales is a, is a much bigger game than football. he talk to people outside of the u. k. and everybody seems to know who can with bailey's. yeah. ok. so you could argue that garrath bale perhaps has done more for welsh football the than the, the government has, i mean, does your government invest in grass roots football is? is it bringing new players through his wales? going to be a permanent fixture. it will cups in the future using our city. we work hard with
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the football association where the f a w to invest in grassroots football. but you're right. a small number of global superstars does more to draw attention to the game and to infuse young people for the game. and probably a lot, grassroots day in day out endeavored us. but in the end, it is that at the grassroots investment, the buyer you the future that he's a successful one and the other proud walsman, i don't want to talk down my own country, but, but as a welsh kind of people ask you here when you're an ex pantry, where are you from? you say whales that oh england no, no, no whales. now. well, it does seem to have something of an image problem. scotland doesn't seem to have this problem. what, why is it so with wells do you think? well, i think it's a very long history of, as you know, the saying is england and wales ah, with a very big neighbor. immediately next door to
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a dominant language. all of those things. why has lived under the shadow of all of that and small countries have to shout louder to be heard. it's really only in the last 25 years over the parliament of our own. in cardiff, i'm a sense of separation so that it's not enough these days just to say england and wales you could attend to wales specifically as 25 years against 500 and more years where the opposite was true. right. so you're, you're the 1st minister of wales. you lead a devolved government, as, as you alluded to, the many people, of course, watching this of the cable know all about this. people around the world though, won't understand what this means. what does devolve government mean? what are your responsibilities? is the head of a divorce government? so it means that people in wales vote for their own parliament, which then makes decisions on goes things that only apply to people in wales. and in the way,
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it's all the things that matter to people day in and day out. so the welsh parliament is now responsible for health for education, for local government, for transport, for agriculture, for the wash language for sport, a long list of things, which are the domestic agenda. the u. k. government remains responsible for things like defense, for fine affairs, for macros can all make policy. but the things that you notice in your daily lives now, those decisions are made in whales by people who people in wales have voted for to make those decisions. but you don't set tax races, is that for your reliant upon the u. k. government, for the income that you have to spend on, on all of those things, you know, 80 percent of our total income comes via the u. k. government about 20 percent of it comes to taxation, decisions made in wales. the start of dilution quarter century ago, a 100 percent of our income came through the u. k. government and over time that
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has began to shift and that's probably a process that we will see continue. it's a 1st list of those. that's something that that but frustrates you to what extent do you have one hand tied behind your back? no, i'm not wholly frustrated. by it, when i li to devolve government, i'm a believer in the united kingdom. i think the united kingdom is better off having wales in it. and wales is better off of being in the united kingdom. and that does mean that some of those big macro economic decisions are better made at a u. k. u level. now, the formula that sends money to wales needs reform thousands, the very beginning, but the big picture in which those are shared responsibilities. some money raised to u. k. decisions some money raised to wash decisions. that's the right one for me. you're the leader of the labor party in wales, as well as as 1st mr. the labor party, of course, is the, is her majesty's opposition nationally at, throughout the u. k. and the government in westminster is
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a conservative lead government. is there any friction there between the fact that that the whales is led by the labor party and the rest of the country is being governed by the conservatives? when it does lead to tensions, the degree of tension tends to depend on the nature of a government at westminster. we've lived through 12 years now of conservative government at some points. that's been a relatively been in relationship. at other times, it's be more conflict. you all a great deal depends upon the degree to which a westminster government respects the div aleutian settlement, not just in relation to wales, but scotland and northern ireland as well. the reason i'm asking all of this is because recently there was a controversy where, where you lost your 10 in the center of the wealth welsh assembly. and we even heard about that in this part of the world that was over the health service, which like the health services right across the u. k. in wales is experiencing a problems it's to do with with,
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to do with funding. and this is why i ask you about the frustration and the opposition. we're blaming you for the health service problems in wales. but and you will say, well, i can only do what i can do given the funding that i'm that i'm given. yes. well, that discussion took place just after the united kingdom had gone through those very difficult and damaging weeks of the lives. truss premier ship 6 weeks that damage the reputation melvin united kingdom around the world. 6 weeks that damaged or economy and where people in wales will be paying to pick up the pieces. my anger was that the conservative opposition in wales had no ownership at all of that, not a single word of recognition of what they had done, seeking instead to blame somebody else for the predicament we find ourselves. and the reason that it made headlines is because it's very unusual for your europe, a very mild mannered politician. you'll, you'll not like the pot,
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the kind of politicians that we become used to seeing in westminster and in london . how did you get into, into politics? you spend a great deal of your career and academia. well, i'm a politician by accident. so i normally say i came to work in the office of my pre decisive of so it's municipal, the 1st 10 years of evolution, the founding father of lucian. i worked in his office, i helped to run things in the background, and then he retired and stood down and i had to decide at that point, did i want to stand for election in that constituency where i lived and to follow from hammond to the very difficult decision for me in beverly and decision and in the end. but i didn't want to do was to look back in another 5 years time and ask yourself, well, what if, what if, what if i tried? what if i had to go? so i decided when i would have a go and we would see how things worked out. and as it happened,
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i got elected and then became a minister. and then the moment came when ah, i just felt the experience i'd had those 10 years. i worked in the 1st minister's office, but that was experience that could be put to work, to help wash people and the large parliament to those very testing days of brett's it. then followed by covert, now followed by another economic crisis. so it's putting that experience to work. well, i want to ask you about about breaks it in a moment, but, but 1st, why, why the labor party? you're from a part of what we're both south williams, i'm se wales, which was the industrial hot class of wales. the labor is the traditional party of that part of the will. you'll much further west light. i could have imagined you being a nationalist part of the plight comrey while i had to make a decision very early on in life. by the time i was 14, i knew that i had to decide for myself. was i a nationalist or was i a socialist? and i knew then that i was
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a socialist being was really matters to me or history or language or culture. i'm profoundly welsh in that sense. but politically, i continue to believe that the interests of working people in wales are not dissimilar to the interest of working people in scotland all in england either. and we are better off forging alliances between people whose interests are similar. i'm making progress together rather than thinking that in the end, the accident of geography because that's where you're born, isn't it? yes, it's an accident. you could be born anywhere. we are lucky enough and happened to be bonnie wales. i don't think that's enough to define us. where do you stand on the issue of independence, where all internationally were aware of the scottish governments that the which is run by the, the nationalist party, their desire to have another referendum or on independence. what. what about wales? well, my view is,
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is that we have the best of both worlds. we are members of the united kingdom, with the advantages that, that brings to us in ways and those advantages are real. but we also have the huge advantages of being a devolved nation, where we make so many decisions for ourselves, but you're not fully in control. no, and i want to be fully control. my own view of the world is, is that the more we atomize things, the movie, separate ourselves off from other people, the harder the world becomes. i don't want to leave the union. that is the united kingdom. i didn't want to leave the union. that is the european union because on the think, but sharing things with others who have close interests with you while retaining that powerful set of decisions lie in your own hands. that's a combination that works for wales. how much damage has, has brakes done to the, to the welsh economy that the people of scotland voted a majority of people devoted to remain within the
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e u in wales. that wasn't the case more people wanted to leave that the stay in the u. k. and yet, and yet wales was receiving a lot of money from, from the you that's got to have heard. oh, leaving the european union is an act of economic self harm. but it's largely because of the way we've left a european union. once people in wales had voted to leave. my focus was never on the fact abraxas because that had been decided. but the form of rex it, we ended up with a hardest form or breaks it with a severing of economic relationships with damage done to the relationships between the united kingdom and our closest and most important knee bus. there was a different way of leaving the european union where we would have removed ourselves from the political mechanisms, but stayed in the single market. stayed in the customs union, protected the interests of working people and firms in wales. we chose not to do it
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that way or the u. k. government chose not to do it that way. and the hom, it causes the economy. whales is rio and continues every day. so you, your, you lead the largest party in the welsh assembly but, but only just that, but the rationalists on a fall behind if, if the nationalists take power in the wash assembly and campaigned for an independent whales could wail, survive, you think? because as an independent nation, especially without the money that that it was getting before breaks it up. just to make one point, we have a 60 seat parliament. we have 30 seats. expect a conservative party. that is the next large right, right. it has 16 and the master's part. he has fewer than half the number of seats that the labor party has. so it's a long distance from being in power. if however, any party were to win an election on a manifesto that says they would put the issue of independence to the welsh people
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and one. then of course wales could be independent. i've never believed the argument that says it's simply not possible. the price would be higher, the price would be high in terms of people standard of living in terms of the new responsibilities that you would have to discharge. but the argument for me is not whether independence is possible. it's just to be got a better deal on the table in what shape is the wash economy, right? when would you and i were growing up. of course it was an industrial power house we had. we had coal mines, we had steal, looks all of that. now has gone out, how does wales make a living these days? wheels is recovered from kobe very strongly, or unemployment level is lower than the u. k. as a whole. and when i was growing up, the number of people who are out of the workplace because of sickness economically inactive, was the highest in the u. k. and raising and over 20 years of devolution, it's come down and down. so we are not in bad shape despite the head doings we face
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and what are they doing is creating a new economy, foils, and renewable energy. means that after a period in which our geography was against us, far out on the western edge of europe, long supply chains, expensive ways of moving goods and jobs. now or geography is on our side. we have wind because we faced the atlantic. we have rain as you know, every now and then, but we have solar and we have wave power as well. 56 percent of all the electricity we use in wales this year will be generated from renewable sources. that will be 70 percent by the end of this decades. and in those new industries, those industries will secure energy that is safe. that is secure. that deals with climate change phase, the future of whale. but he still in, in wales, you have problems with, with infrastructure in that the,
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it's difficult to get from the north of the country to, to the south of the country without going into wales and taking hello and taking a rather circuitous route. that in the end is just the nature of our geography, where a mountainous country or a small country, i sometimes read it said that he who flattened dwells out. we be as big as france for kids just that all our land is, you know, kelly one up and down and easy route north and south have never been possible in wales. so you know, we manage, we have an effective train service. you can drive, it's not the most straightforward of routes, but you know, we're used to it. it's what we've dealt with for 2000. you said it is a land of amazing culture as was as, as well as a scenery. one of the jobs, as, as 1st minister, of course, is to promote whales and attract trade and investment. but it's, it's to promote wells culturally as well. what, what do you, what do you particularly proud of about? oh, i'm really proud of kosovo language. the oldest spoken language in europe,
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the longest continuous written language in europe. i cannot tell you stories, which i'll tell you something that shames me to this day. i grew up in a period where, where the welsh language you could argue was being suppressed, particularly in the part of south wales in which i grew up. either watchman, i don't speak well, i'm not fluent and welsh, like you, i bits and bulbs. i can hear it and that, that i'm ashamed to to say that, but now at least every kid in wales. am i right in saying, yeah, grows up every learning the language, language, and food over a food of young people know secondary schools receive the whole of our education through the medium of welsh and the growth in large medium education has been a real story of whales in the last 30 years, but that is a real see change need when i was in school, the thought was, was that while she was the language of the whole with the half and it wasn't the language of the official world, you didn't deal with a word to the medium of whilst i was english and to get on english was the language
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you would need. well, that has definitely changed by 2050. we have an ambition which i think we will reach of having a 1000000 well speakers in wales and in a global economy. if you're trying to attract investment, you have to have something special to offer. why go they rather than some of the spot on the globe? and people who come to wales investors who come to wales. they need to feel they are somewhere special and has an identity and a difference. and you can feel that, you know, somewhere that is special indifferent. and that's why our language and culture matters economically as well as in every other way. all of these people and learning the welsh language, as you say. and the culture having your own language might push towards people towards mashed some it, would that be a fair assessment in that then although we talked about about play that the, the nationalist in, in wells at the moment being in
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a minority that their support could grow politically, while of course study is possible, but the labor party, the 1st one and election in wales in 1922. and we've never not done it since that is a 100 unbroken years of a relationship between money party underwashed people. and my job is to, to make sure that that's the key relationship that to be welsh and to be labor or to relate to identities that sit right upon one another hand in glove. and we do that by looking hard at it all the time. whenever i am preaching to my troops, i'm always saying we never take a single vote for granted every time we are out there talking to people, it is another opportunity to resubmit the relationship that we have built up between people in wales. the things that matter to them and they're feeling that
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the labor party has been the best vehicle to achieve those. and that level of support for the labor party hasn't changed despite the fact that that, that whales, as, as a country has, has changed. it's not, as we said earlier, the industrial power house that it but it once was no will in the law to election for the wash parliament, which was in may of last year. we achieve the largest share of the vote that we have at any time in the dilution period. so you know, that relationship remains really strong and the language belongs to everybody belongs to everybody, whether you speak it fluently or you just know a few words of it. and i think one of the wonderful things about the language is that people who don't speak yet, i was proud of it and as committed to being part of welsh life as people who are brought up speaking it every day. there are rumors that the perhaps you're, you're, you're talking about slowing down perhaps. how long do you think you'll, you'll, you'll stay at this. i said in the very beginning,
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when i was 1st standing for the leadership of my party that i thought 5 years was the soto period. that's somebody doing this job in the modern era should think about doing it. i'm not quite there yet, but i'm well over halfway there and you know, i would never walk away from the job, but the time when the going was tough for they were difficult decisions that needed to be made. but the time will come during the senate to me. i've been part of the senate for the 1st quarter of a century. it's time we elected somebody who looks ahead to the next 25 years. you talked about the pandemic and, well, you've been, you've been praised for the way in which you handled the pandemic in well as opposed to how the national government in london handled the pandemic. i mean, when you look back when the time eventually come, when you look back of your career, what would you want your legacy to be think? i don't think much in terms of legacy to be honest. i think i'll be happy with an
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epa tough that said he came into work every day and he tried to do his best. rockets. ok, is there anything that you that you still want to do? i'm not. i mean in politics? yes, i mean, but is there anything else in the ambition you have in life still? oh, many things and i will be very keen to to when i don't have to spend as much time doing what i do now. as you said, i spend most of my working life in the university, and i hugely miss teaching. i miss being with young people. i miss the excitement you get with watching young people learn and sometimes being able to pass on some things to them that they may find useful. so i'd very much like to be able to go back and do a little bit of at my poll neglected allotment. we look forward to seeing a bit more of me than it normally does, than even the family members who might like to pay
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a bit more time in my company. the world at the moment is, is, is watching, gotta, because it's hosting the woke up more visitors here. something like a 1000000 people are coming to to, to counter many of them for the 1st time since you show us what, what, what are your impressions of the place? and i mean, you talk about wales being as a small nation and a nation that wants to keep it's, it's language and culture alive. i mean, they're very similarity a lot of similarities between whales and, and catalog. yes. oppose whether possible, whether it's a look. i think those things are very apparent when you are here. i spend the 1st part of the day on economic context, but the 2nd half of the day i spent on cultural contexts. i've been in the museum of islamic asked because it has a relationship with the national museum in cottage wales. were looking forward to welcoming some young women educators and curators from the museum here to spend
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time with us in wales in the summer. so those, some of those similarities are very apparent when you're here, the biggest impression you gattey's what an astonishing undertaking the world compass for any countries or takes it on ah, just the sheer investments you have to make to make a tournament like this possible. and if i, if i detect any emotion in the many meetings that i've had with government officials and ministers and so on, it's a slight sense of relief. the ball is actually here, there was an opening ceremony, there was a match and that the football which is taken all those years in the planning is now actually where the center of attention will be mark drake, the 1st minister zuwaka of l. thank you for being with us. thank you very much indeed. ah.
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