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also things we see what some cold bleaching corners stars our crown of thorns starfish like they are the devastations of their ethan is the beauty of it. like all these beautiful fish or the sharks, the sea slogs even just like everything is beautiful. it takes a long time to analyze all the images out there. so if we're helping them by analyzing the mass, so this year there was a bleaching event. in fact, had been all over the last 6 years. and climate modeling suggests that from 2040 the could be a big event every year on the great barrier reef based on the current trajectory, the census is helping scientists identify which co riggs most need protection, what climate change is doing. it is making that the time frame in between these like impacts shola, such putting more pressure on the rate. just 5 percent of the great barrier reef is surveyed regularly. the scientists hope an annual re census will keep threats to
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this world heritage site in chick, sir. clock out a 0 cans. ah, i, let's take you through some of the headlines here now to sierra now the war and ukraine set to dominate talks when nato foreign ministers, meeting romania and the coming out alliance members will discuss how to help defend ukraine against russian air and ground attacks got the natal, it's here ne, through it's vigilant on need to spread the to the front, every inch of allied territory in response to russia's full fledged shirt invasion of ukraine. we are raising the redness over troops, and we have doubled the number of natal button groups from 4 to 8, including volunteer in romania lead, bought france cover has struck
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a deal with germany to supply 2000000 tons of liquefied natural gas from 2026. the supplies will last for 15 years, like much of europe, germany is looking for alternative energy sources after imports from russia was severely reduced after it invaded ukraine. at least 3 palestinians are forced to have been killed by israeli forces in 2 separate incidents in the occupied y. thank . the palestinian health ministry says dozens of all this roll so wounded during the raids in beta mod north of hebron, as well as in bay 3 men northwest of ramallah. the un says this year is on cost to be the deadliest in the occupied west bank. in 16 years. chinese authorities say they're working to minimize inconvenience caused by strict panoramic policies. off the days of mass protest infections are spreading, despite tens of millions of people being under some form of restriction. so the key is president says he's determined to create a 30 kilometer deep security car,
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though, along the se, in border with syria. but just thought about the one is threatening to launch a ground offensive against kurdish fighters in the region. turkish forces resumed their strikes in north and syria, the weekend killing at least 5 people. this comes weeks officer, a bomb attack in a stumble, which anchor blames on kurdish fighters. those the headlines, the news continues after inside story. ah, how could culture be best preserved? the united nations is holding meetings to discuss how to preserve and promote ancient cultures from around the world, from falconry to zambian dance,
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and truffle hunting, the singapore hawker cops, traditions of being considered for inclusion on the intangible cultural heritage list. so how could it ensure such practices survive for generations to come? this is inside story. ah hello, welcome to the program. i'm adrian finnegan. unesco is meeting and morocco to consider $56.00 nominations for inclusion on a list of what it calls intangible, cultural heritage. the you and agency aims to both protect and promote cultural practices to prevent them being lost to history. the list includes entries like falconry, the 4000 year old art of training and flying falcons practised in 2000 countries
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around the world. or malawi is collection of traditional dances this year. it's looking for financial support to help to preserve them. food is also on the list, whole cook astronomy in singapore. that's a major collection of community dining and color re activities in multi cultural urban areas or dance. ecuador paseo song of poetry is being considered. it's an op the fuses in digit music, complex geography. like a woman and family maintains a tradition that's typical of what unesco wants to highlight. its traditional khalilah dance team is among many nobodies that have been short distance. me. my number is my son coach and i'm the director of the dance team. that is there. we see a new role. well, we do our cultural activities from,
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with their significance of their color. le dance is celebratory, done every trip. don't calla duncan and we have 5 ship them amongst the people. all these 2 are from the same plan over a month, and that is verizon, right? it's only common amongst these people. now what happens is that when we a happy i tend of the week or the color team gather to deliberate and have fun with the color guns depicts our social set up. for instance, we have fishermen, you will see one dance or depict people bringing the fish and getting the fish cooking the fish. now the guns would depict, since we, our civil depicts,
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the people have to think about pounding. you know, i'm attending into something new. we are very happy that you never go out, come on board to try and promote their present vision of our culture. i think in this way, none of our cultural activities. i'm not tradition. will you know, just ah, so let's bring it our guests for today's discussion from paris, were joined by julia hopkins associates program specialist with eunice goes living heritage. cultural sector from lagos, slower would, a writer, onset it, and cultural activist. and also in paris, kevin archer, deputy director of the french heritage society. welcome to you all juliet. let's start with you. what exactly constitutes a tangible, cultural heritage. why is it so important to protect them and how do you go about
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doing so? i everyone and thank you. question. thank you for having me say, it's a pleasure to be here. so intangible to her issue is different to tangible heritage in a number of important ways of call us. on the one hand, we're getting with physical sites and objects. and on the other hand, we're referring to cultural practices, an expression that communities puzzled and from generation to generation and form part about cultural traditions. but the 2nd important difference i would say is in the approach to safeguarding itself and how we got it. so in handful cultural heritage is very much a live community. it's not fixed in the past. but what's important, easiest idea of intergenerational transmission. so it has a continued social function and cultural me, meaningful community. and it's something we like to say. everyone has is relevant to everyday life. and it shapes identity, how we understand though,
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how we understand each other and how we understand the world around us more generally. and it's nice and dynamic nature of intangible cultural heritage, which is really important to remember. it's extremely important terms of how each generation does their own cultural heritage to respond to the evolving needs a reality that they have. so how do we go about safeguarding it? which is the 2nd part of the question. and part of the 2003 can mentioned to safeguarding intangible cultural heritage is an international instrument which is aiming at safeguarding. and her teacher came in to force him to the extent of celebrating 20th anniversary and its purpose at the front of the convention called this heritage. raise awareness about it, ensure respect for it and provide for international cooperation between states towards that safeguarding. and i want to underline aspect about promoting respect
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to the diversity of intangible heritage, which is what the convention sets out to do and also about in that way, learning respect, other people live for each other in all of the minorities differences. well, or what is it lagos? tell us about your work concerning the protection of intangible, cultural heritage and in nigeria. and what you see is the main threats to this heritage that oh yes, i am very happy to be here. thank you to everyone and yes, i've worked as a journalist editor, i've done curatorial work in places like the it will show will show gross liquid grove which is a unesco world heritage site. and i've also visited other places. and the threats especially increasingly has to do with that to call our leadership and
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a lot of our policy gaps which don't take these places. so they are sure. so both separate grove in, in the south west part of nigeria for instance, is so crucial to the community, to the history of the people to the found in the town. and is the center for it was the most festival, the osho festival, which takes place annually almost every year. but now that place is actually threatened in terms of the environment by indie gov, mining. that is rampant in towns along the route of the river because you're sociable, a separate group has as it some heart, the secret a river or shown which is also tied to the beliefs of the people to the history and, and, and all of that. and all, not just one idea,
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but all the way the diaspora are people in brazil, cuba, part of the united states for instance, come to this place as a commemoration of identity and belong again and ancestral ties. and because of the illegal mind me, the water is being polluted at. this is water, for instance, the people that the adherents of the goddess believe has healing powers. they call it, have it a hubble a mixed up with them. but when it's polluted with, all of these are metals and the hollow, the characterization, everything changes. so that is a real threat. and so there is the need definitely to continue to safeguard places like that. i mean, last year for instance, i visited historical sites in a bank. oh your state here in nigeria are which it it,
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it's like same like parts of rome been endangered by decides, indication, and artifacts being destroyed. i mean from these artifacts that you actually understand the tradition of the people, the songs, the, the stories are the beliefs of the people and how. d that ties from the previous generations. so even challenges that we're facing today. we're definitely fascinating. karen archer and parents, you're the deputy director of the french heritage society. tell us about the work of your society than in protecting the cultural heritage. the intangible cultural heritage of france. yes, well thank you. i'm very pleased to be with you today as well. we deal both in tangible and intangible. we, we raised funds to protect a historic monument. so for the restoration the preservation, i thought parkson gardens as well. but touching back on what the previous speakers
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said, there's also an intangible quality because there's the transmission. you can consider perhaps the, the, the bricks and stones as the, as the framework. it's the testimony of past civilization of crowd, of artisans was come before us. but there's also kind of a living heritage to transmit this today, not only to restore it, but to give a vocation to these monuments so that they're living so that they're open to the public. and also the question of parks and gardens is very important now as well, which also has a role to play in sustainable development in. but biodiversity. and of course, with the restoration in carrying non traditional crafts, which are in france. what we call also gets him when people so living heritage, which are the skills that are transmitted from generation to generation slow. a
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juliet a one quick question. i just want to come back to pinning down what constituted, tangible, cultural heritage. what about dying languages and religion? so they eligible for protection of what happens in the case of controversial cultural practices? are they still considered for inclusion? the question, thank you for the questions and the question on languages and religions. now this is discussed a lot in the beginning of the convention in the drafting of the text itself. and with regard to languages and we, it is not the language itself that is defined in tangible, cocoa heritage in the convention on the article too. but it's how it was related to these are all expressions of these practices. so we see language as a vehicle of the intangible cultural heritage. so it's a way that it can be transmitted to generation to generation. in terms of religions,
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of course, are a very many different aspects of intangible, cultural heritage that are related to organized religion. they might be particular social practices or ritual which come from, you know, religious traditions and origins, but religion in an organized religion itself does not fall under the convention definition of intangible cultural heritage. now in terms when it comes to kind of more controversial elements or inscription. and again, if we go back to the article to it, states that all in tangible court who heritage falling under this convention must be in line with international human rights instruments. so any practice or tradition which might not be aligned or might conflict with such international instruments does not fall under the definition of being tangible,
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cocoa heritage in the 2000 trick mentioned juliet, what does it mean then for a community when a practice is given, unesco intangible cultural heritage status and, and does that status have a role to play in, in bringing desperate communities together? and that's a very good question. just to go back to the, the lives of the convention. how it recognizes intangible cultural heritage. so we have to list the representative lists of intangible cultural heritage. and this is made up of elements in tangible, cultural heritage that demonstrate the diversity of the territory that help raise awareness of it's important. and then the 2nd one is in the urgent safeguarding list. and this is a list which is about in tangible, cultural heritage that has a dentist particularly at risk. and the purpose of bitterly is to mobilize
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international awareness around the elements in danger of gives, appearing, and encouraged to introduce specific actions and plans to address the threat. so this might be in designing promotion programs or education programs around the adamant in creating particular policy environment which would help their survive. so to the community themselves, inscription one of these and this can bring a lot of awareness to their intangible cultural heritage. brains greater recognition, it can help kind of burst international recognition around this element and provide the frameworks for introducing the safeguarding plans and action. okay. yeah. melora, we should remember that basically not an end. and so, so it's really the start of the launch pad full. so that they've got an action between the states and communities for each generation menorah. one of the things that interests me about about the list that we're talking about here is,
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is that the shift that has been towards more environmental concerns. recently you talked about about the pollution coming from these are legal minds. how much of your work and directly concerns the environment and have you noticed this, this shift towards protecting the environment in when considering intangible, cultural heritage? indeed, indeed, i loved the phrase used by the speaker in paris, a living heritage. and they are sociable that i mentioned, for instance, is a place where a living heritage is in practice and we get through the songs through the practices and are all the people that and so many communities come in to this place and just keeping it alive every day and it is threatened by the environment and by the, the i nonchalance of persons authority who don't
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basically take seriously these threats to these places. so for that there are mental pollution and also not just a threat to the site immediately, but also to the water which they, the people pay in and drink and all of that the holy water, so to speak. and then this river, i actually flows through. so many, often 2030 different pals and community. so it's a threat to a lot of people and to their relationship to history as represented by this site. so increasingly, environment is a concern and they need internationally to, to have basically a cohesive, a message about what national governments should be doing to complement the
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efforts of an organization such as units before instance. and also for activists on the ground. and like, had measured also the other side. desertification are illegal, whole industry ah, heritage trees being failed in both places where people and songs and beliefs and all of that have thrive and where are not those artists and to this. but also archaeologists are trying to piece together the history of the people and of the buttress of o in time to build a heritage is. last year i was a kid who in the republic of been with a neighboring country to nigeria. here to observe the collect debt performance, which it's a masked play killer that play and it didn't come in. it's a, it's you not be recognized as an incentive all heritage by unesco. and it includes
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the article performance, which when you sit in action, you realize that this is a yeah called tradition, which does not stem from the western tradition. it is of the people and you see community cohesion and most of the special on the people that when other people see themselves. and i have had, i had to go from nigeria to go and see it and been a public company wet big. and gil, exactly the title of the you about it when most you will, i in anterior. but because we do not have that kind of products that are protection for gala dare say in nigeria, for instance, it is preserved in a, in a more potent form in k to. and i have to go there to go and see. but if we have more protection, then we can have these in tangible heritage be really impractical in, in lives and communities. karen archer in paris. yes, it's wonderful to,
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to be able to, to protect this cultural heritage. and it's the right thing to do. but how much does it cost an ann on who pays? i mean, they're, they're in france in the country. things particularly passionate about surf aspects of it. it's cultural house is too heavy. and the problem finding donors that they're in front of you purse more fortunate in france than elsewhere in the world. well, it's a, it's a mixed system. because traditionally, france has been a very centralized country in terms of culture, in terms of historic monuments in that. but that is changing and they're following more along the anglo saxon model. now typically, typically with incentives like in the united states for private domes. so there is still state aid, quite an important amount of stating that there's a mixture of private donors, of foundations, of companies that are interested in heritage as well. and as far as french heritage
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society is concerned, we have, we were actually found into, to help incite american donors g. i give to france to maintain its cultural heritage. and in the united states is model of giving and tax deductibility and favorable laws. um is, is very much the norm and i think that's the practice much more in france as well, in a way because it's so expensive. so the government has to find other ways they're trying it to incentivize private donors and even individuals as well, with things like crowd funding on where everyone can feel that they have a stake in preserving their heritage. they can, they can be invested in the monuments, they choose to support, and it's not just for an elite, and it's not removed from their everyday lives. juliette, one of the main threats to intangible cultural heritage and to what extent does it
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rely? does the protection of it rely upon international cooperation? thanks for the question. so in something the main threat to enjoy changeable quarter tweak a lot of issues around younger generation, perhaps losing interest in parenting show issues around rural migration. as i mentioned before, that might be threats relating to issues around changing the environment by diversity loss. for instance, there might be a particular material from the environment that may be needed in a practice and you know, that might not be available anymore. but that's not to say that the heritage will necessarily do the peer because we also have to recognize adaptive capacity. so the ability of community to adapt their practices to the changing environment,
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they might replace that material with another material. we could still have significance to those communities. and international cooperation can play very important role in raising awareness of those strips and kind of gathering international support around them to take action in terms of developing specific safeguarding plans to address those tricks. juliana and i can understand the need to protect inherited cultural traditions. but why do esco consider it important to protect contemporary practices as well? so contemporary practices there is when i, when i mentioned that it's, you know, living heritage has significant. the community being practices are passed down from generation to generation, but that's not to say to stuck in the past so that they're bruce and in the past. and communities can to adapt to the changing needs of deterioration that it
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continues to have relevance in the line. so that's a very important kind of notion in the convention. and it's different to these discourses around protection and preservation of heritage because we understand that heritage is not frozen in time, but continues to evolve with generations. and that's how we can say that it can contribute to some of these contemporary issues. and it can also be innovative in nature, in providing us solution to some of these challenges around climate change adoption, disastrous reduction, and things like that. that has been a fascinating discussion. the, i'm afraid we must end. thank you all for being with a student, hopkins in paris, miller wood in lagos and karen archer, also in paris. i'm thank you for watching. don't forget, you can see the program again any time just by visiting the website where it i'll
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