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hello, i'm semi ok. welcome to the stream. some chinese citizens have had enough of the 0 covey policy that has been in place for the past 3 years now. oh wow. oh, oh, we the country and chanting, freezing john, we won't, the rule of law don't want to be locked up. we won't freedom. we want to vote in this episode of the stream, we will look at the strict covey policy. and what's next for the anti locked down protests in china. ah, joining us to have that conversation really good to see ya chose dolly and also on note thank you for joining us. helping us understand these and t co, vague, locked down protests and what might happen next, yoko,

please the highlights out audience around the world. welcome back. i am the i chill out my senior china, a researcher and human rights watch. good to have you. hello, dolly, welcome. please introduce yourself to our audience around the world. yeah, i'm dolly, i'm a fact that they, you know, it's to chicago and also helping walking our book manuscript on china as decision making regarding cope it. get to have you and i know welcome to the stream. please say hello to our audience. hello, i'm a new ivan. i work for the dodge financial daily, and i work as a correspondent engaging that. we've all experienced locked down around the well, to some degree. i know audience, you are going to have a take on what is happening in china right now. why are people protesting? the comment section is right here on youtube. be part of today's show on nook your based in beijing. what is it like to be locked up, locked down periodically,

give us an example of your life. well, it's very unpredictable. i would say i've had the last, especially the past year, several in moments where i would be uncertain if i would need to be leaving maybe my combat because they might lock it down. so a couple of weeks ago, for instance, i got to notice that my compound was going to be locked down. and so i grabbed some stuff. i gripped some stuff from a friend who was hiking the day. and she actually called me about this. and i just ran out and took my bike and then started to sex. friends, colleagues, if i could temporary to stay somewhere. i went 1st of the office because i woke up and went to the pool to swim and take a shower there. and from there on i went so yeah, that's the in practice in reality. sometimes how do you think, go, daddy, can you explain a 0 covey policy?

what that means in terms of managing a region or managing a town, what does that mean for the citizens and the authorities? ball suddenly after be locked down, a will hide, the chinese leadership decided china could keep the virus at bay. and we have actually forced local authorities to take decisive measures to prevent the resurgence of the virus. the return of the wires and china succeeded for the last 22 years, in particular for the 1st 2 years of the pandemic. and then of course, the as covert new tv. actually, the virus new dating into army, crown errands. it just became much harder because the virus has become so much more contagious. and of course this, the cities have struggled from shanghai and other places. and that band the actually because they were on the authority to lockdown to prevent the outbreaks on friday. they became even more excessive,

adopting measures to lock people at home for long stretches the time. students have been confined to campuses for the last few months in particular after they return to school and business and so shattered. especially contact based businesses tourism, for example, restaurants and so our airlines have been flying a very low capacity. so a lot of those affecting all walks of live but especially 2nd business is 2nd sectors. and so the areas of the country where for example, room, which he was on the lock downfall, what you like about $100.00 days. so you're, you're, i'm just thinking about the, the style of locked down that is happening in china is so strict that sometimes the door, the front door is locked and locked from the outside. so even if you wanted to go outside, you couldn't do that. and then some of those instances have had life had led to tragedy. can you tell me where the strict policy has then resulted in people dying,

but not dying from cove? it dime because the look down has been so severe. yeah. hi. so many stories of people, you know, post, you know about what happened to them. and, you know, in some instances people couldn't get to the hospital after they got a corner, you know, to be said, then some of them died. and then they are people who i but i go back, you need to access the hospital and like could any dyers this? and they couldn't go to the hospital then the people who had a flu, shorter issues, they couldn't get the food because over the delivery app was too busy. and then you know, after you're out of a job for several hours, then you don't have the money anymore. and those are the people who can get a food because they can pay for food. so they are massive, massive sufferings in a lot of people posting own chinese social media. and you have to know that there's a shipping chinese very severe. so there are people who, who are poacher,

social media, but you know, they got removed later and then people self center. so there are a lot of people who didn't even say anything align on the go ahead. well, we're going to check. yeah. oh, i think also you could see the lack of access to health care. actually several people need a treatment for instance, for because they were sick or to have cancer or needed medication. and they were just not allowed to go outside, especially shanghaied or many, many cases. they were very, very tragic. i remember there was a nurse even who have asthma and she needs to go to the hospital. she went to her own hospital where she worked, but she just wasn't allowed to get in and she passed away that, that, that night. and so there were many more cases of people. desperately. you go to the hospital or with the kids. and 1st of all, you could maybe take hours and then was too late. and yeah that's,

that's also people. yeah. you very, you see the people don't die actually of the virus, but indirectly just died because of the measures to can sit valley. this is a, this is a problem you, you look to how to be managing cove it and use it. they just really well for the 1st couple of years. but this sounds like it's so extreme that people are suffering from the locked down, maybe not suffering from cove. it are absolutely. so why initially threw out, for example, is why or another city that big came on the lock down even for long stretches the time. national lay, it was considered a small cost to pay for national house. but of course, as more and more cities, especially this have come on, they're not locked down. and of course small people got affected bang, clear l. a. actually public support for the lockdown has actually i trophy

burke very often. what do you find actually is the sort of in china is that is fine to lockdown. others many people prefer the lockdown why it's about other people. but when they themselves come under the lockdown, actually began to complain. i want to bring in some voice of protest as we had them at the beginning of the show in the chance that they were chanting. not necessarily about the lockdown about freedom and being out to vote, which is really interesting. it's like you start with kobe, and then where do you, when, when people are brave and bold enough to go out onto the streets, it's just him to, to protest as it is from november, the 28th women. i think we just need to identify the close contacts or semi close contacts, the people who might be infected. this is enough. we don't need a huge screening of the whole building. it's not necessary to be so meticulous. somehow, you know, even shanghai, a lot of protesters have already been detained. they did it for everyone, for all of the people, for the delivery guys not to be lost in their apartment,

for everyone to be able to receive medicines and food. we need to help these people breathe, those people in shanghai. yeah. janet you live in beijing . so you out of all of, i guess a living that experience when protesters say maybe we don't have to be so strict. maybe your whole building doesn't need to be locked down. so you have the drive yourself on run out and work out. where am i going to stay for the next few weeks? is there a better way now that you've lived through 3 years of a pandemic on look from your perspective on so is there a better way? yeah. to, to, to manage laverna yet to, to have in life that, that isn't so unpredictable. yeah. well, i think the problem is that china, as a professor pointed out like in the beginning, has worked very well to stamp out the virus. right. and to keep people safe and healthy. but what china didn't do and is finding another

strategy, vaccinating people, defax major rate is still very low. so about 85 percent of people are vaccinated. but if you go to the older age group above $60.80 techniques rate is even lower. and then they also didn't get a booster sort of wooster aided, even like $66.00 the chinese fractions are also way less effective them, for instance, pfizer. so the problem is there has not been working towards an exit strategy. so if you would open up, you see that the number of cases are rising. and it doesn't and predictability because if you're extra play the numbers for ends of the amount of death that's happened in hong kong when they opened up in the, loosened up then for china, you could talk about not only like $100000.00, but millions, though, of course that is a very perspective, very scary but perspective. so that's the problem that china should really

think about vaccinating people more better. but they never really advocate for that . i'm wondering, dallas dudley? you go so i have a thought that i'm, i'm wondering is, is cove it from china's perspective so much more dangerous than anywhere else in the world? is there a greater fear of cove it than anywhere else? did the chinese authorities know something that we don't know in the rest of the world? well, the chinese authorities clearly what the play scared of the virus initially and be reacted very vigorously. and of course the also, while the most powerful emotions among humans is actually also pollution. in fact, presidency gmc emphasize in september 2020 never to surrender the achievements we have made and of course lockdown so useful when there were no vaccinations. when in fact there was still a prospect of actually containing the virus, of course,

not only in china about globally when both goes changed, both conditions change the of course china needed to change as well. and of course, the basic situation today is that the chinese population is highly vaccinated. i'm can be improved further, but overall though you're more than 90 percent of the population are activated already. and of course we have new new of accent vaccines available today as well. we have so many comments on youtube yard show. can you help me with some of these comments? instant reaction back. very swiftly. so we can address as many concerns as we can. so realize are they locked down is a issue, an issue. the negative part of it is that the poll will suffer the most judge ho, your thoughts on that? absolutely, absolutely. i think the protest, a large amount, a large portion of people who protested was because they didn't have money. they

couldn't go to work because they could not go to work so they couldn't pay for the food they couldn't pay for their rent. they couldn't pay for their children's education. so obviously, you know, you know, the lock balance across the world affects the poor worst. then affects the people who are privileged and in china, it's manifested in, you know, in many aspects of your daily life and especially, you know, trying to access social protections and, you know, to keep social security access to health care. it's not, you know, i'm so glad you said that because robinson is asking this. how is this locked down, impacting people with disabilities? for example, people who rely on grocery delivery. i am in the states, i'm blind and it's very difficult. it would be very difficult for me to adjust. that is a really good point because if you don't have that social network, that's the social stuff that how people managing. i look for, i mean yeah,

the community usually is is and needs to be responsible for that. so every community has a korean, the committee that will be in charge of delivering the food. but i've been several instances where elderly people who don't have family, who don't have the social network over found because they died because of lack of food. but that is very hard. i cannot even think how difficult it must be for disabled people to live in this stage in the country. i think that it is, it is very, very difficult. and one more. yeah, yeah, go ahead, please check the clay. the local governments are supposed to be a good job of supplying helping people who are locked downs, but of course lock downs including shock imposed summer away. and in fact a cause we shortage is it made it much more difficult for people and is not just actually the poor, but also human high income people made it difficult for them to gain access to

fluid and so on. so as a result, there was style a shy and of course a lot of other shortages as well that affected the lives of the people. i mean, this is horrifying that a policy that is now 3 years old is not, is not working in a way that is smooth, that is humanitarian. now that the knowledge is known about what happens when we separate from each other, all locked down, daddy you seeing that the policy is changing slightly, or is it just locked out? that's it. well, china is beginning to pay to mitigation strategy. there is widespread, a shared science that locked downs is say, you know, way china used to move beyond it. and part of the reason is because there are very various rested, interests that have develop the profit from the lockdown to profit from the testing . the profit from the fact that parenting the beauty of quarantine waters as well.

so as a result, actually the chinese leadership over the last few days and partly in response to the process as well. but we have be actually studying and developing strategies. so the, i actually reducing the requirements on testing and the, making it easy for some people to stay at home. they are inquiring team as well. so this is actually the beginning of the transition away from that. there are covert region in china and new us. i really hope that yeah. click on it please. yeah, yeah, i mean, that is true. we seen, you know, release me and some relief. the problem of course, is that, that the national government lease is up to the local government and the problem is that the local governments and all have a different kind of policy. so. busy and it causes a lot of confusion, so this narrowed will do that. and that neighbor who does that and this city does this. and then that problem has other rules. again, that makes it, although really,

really confusing and very unpredictable. again, for instance, if you want to travel or if you want to go somewhere, you don't know if, oh, what is the rule? am i grunting or not like today? you were quarantine yesterday not today. you have to treat us tomorrow or not. so, i mean, yeah, it's great that there are listening bouts, and i'm really, you know, i'm trying to get a little bit more hopeful at the same time. we've seen this in a couple of weeks ago when they east up some stuff. and the number of cases skyrocketed and then they made a u turn back. so it's not really, i'm still waiting for, you know, a very, very better and clear policy wrote a national government will say, look, this is going to be the strategy. this is the pause. we're going to do it like this . these are 2 phases we're going through. this is the result, this the fact. but that's not happening. i'm going to bring in our a shanghai vincent. it's d, excuse me, danny. at shanghai resident,

she's 83. and she seeing maybe the, the beginning of the loosening of the lockdown policy, the 0 covey policy and she is concerned. let's have a listen. it have a look. good luck with that. there are locked out that i am old now and afraid to be vaccinated. i look like i'm in good health, but i have a pretty serious illness. i have a disease in my lungs, but if the doctor thinks i can get vaccinated, i will do it well. hold on. while he was that, that isn't on your my will be pretty worried if pandemic restrictions are eased, especially for the elderly who haven't been vaccinated. and if it opens up, it will be more troublesome for old people to get this disease right now. the state is still providing vaccines, so protect yourself. the state cares about you and it will get better. yeah, you're meant to have a thought come up. like i said that dally at one of avi was wondering about the effectiveness of the vaccine that the chinese population have access to it. a piece

the be a lower efficacy than some of the vaccines that are available outside of china. your thoughts about that? is that going to be a problem? it is part of the problem, but in fact, we do know there is good clinical data from, from hong kong in particular, showing that be activated virus vaccines produced and widely applied in china and also across the world. they are effective against the diseases, but the law of 3 those back saying to those is do not do the job very well. and also be have very little effect on cardio transmission income in comparison to the max things which have also become less effective. but nonetheless, have some effects the overall, but china is introducing additional vaccines at this moment. so there are possibilities mixing and matching vaccines. there is a big problem when china began to introduce vaccines. they didn't test the axioms

on the outlay. and also because of the successes of the 0 cove it reach him at that point, the outlet did not take up the back scenes at that point and it's totally understandable . but of course now it has become a serious fact. and the chinese government has introduced policy is to push for outweigh vaccination. at this moment, i'm going to share something on the didn't promote it. yeah. yeah. so it's not our problems, but it didn't promoted and they didn't say and make it say to the elderly people of a massive public campaign like go vaccinate and it's safe and you can do it. i won't be sick of it. so it's very, very clear. and understandable that these people are worried and afraid about it. i remember in my own country in the beginning, everybody was always a very suspicious of the facts is like what's going to do to me to my body and i need to show, oh, it's going to do to me. so yeah. and if you've been kind of really causative away from covey to the moment anybody has a, a case, a cover, everything looks down. the idea of the case is going up. it's going to be

terrifying. the people i want to mention, yes. yeah. go ahead. in the, the, the bad in the i, c u per person in china is much smaller than the, the bad any i see you in western countries. so if they just open up a lot of people got sick, then those don't get adequate access to medical care. so that would be a huge problem if they just open up and it's got to be so gradual and so careful, your child, i want to bring you back to how i saw that, which was with protest is i want to show you this on my laptop which is, protest is up and chanting. so i have a look here on my laptop. everybody very good. down with the party down when she came paying reaching jang, people taking photographs and video in themselves. and then this comment here, for those who haven't spent much time in china recently, the density of cameras in this part of shanghai is incredible. easily dozens per block police will be going through to find the main instigators and arrest them

away from the protests. real bravery to show a face here. these protestors seem to have changed 0 covey policy. seems to be the stop a little bit. y'all show what do you think will happen to the people that we're looking at right here? i mean, they're already being reports of people being detained, harassed by police for going to the protesting. and i have people in china told me that they thought they went to the protective seems, i'm anonymous. i then later got harassed by the police. so how do you to please know that they went to the co testing? of course, i mean it's possible because of the that the trucking component of china by phone. so there are other or a facial recognition. so the police has the capability to find out when to, to protest, and then take action. second, that i'm wondering if you're looking at how china is handling covey. whether you've noticed with these protests that the way authorities are looking at coverage has

changed. the way politics is being done in china. can you say that covert has changed the way politics is being played all? absolutely, and of course, be not always in the most welcome ways as well. and of course, so far, 0 cole, that has really elicited a lot of repressed repression. very repressive practices. i'm on the locality is. it asks you to re clause some century innovation to seize ob, locality, so to speak, actually, but at the same time, clearly, the central authorities themselves have also interesting managing this process. so they're all cove it and be kind of party stayed, stay bulletin, went in and actually really go together and you know, way that's unprecedented the other countries. so that's why most of the countries have have had to open up early barriers. china was the party stayed, and the stability maintenance can carry on their coven for such

a long time. dolly and our nurse and also your cho, thank you so much for bringing your perspective, your experience to our show to day we're looking at the antique 0 co read protests happening in china, where they are right now. what the impact may will be. and how does china move on from a locked down situation to opening up the country? we will keep watching the news keep watching the protesters. thank you so much. been part of the day show, appreciate you taking. ah ah.

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