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but it's leader now says majors democracy is under threat just 2 weeks before parliamentary elections as spokesman for turkish present trisha divert o on her soul down to 0. the government will not relent in its efforts to go after armed groups. it comes as anchor prepared for a grand operation in northern syria targeting the syrian democratic forces. he won states security council says more than 200 people of diets. his nationwide protest broke out in september is slower than the figure announced by a commander of the revolutionary guards who put that number at 300, both or less in the figure of up to 470 reported by schools. yvonne has seen months of unrest falling the death of my family while in police custody. those are the headlines inside story is max amount is here. ah.
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most of the world appears to have moved on from the coven 19 pandemic. while the w h o says dangerous variance could still emerge, but is anyone listening and what are the consequences? if we let our guard down, this is inside story. ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm getting you navigate. it's been nearly 3 years since covered 19 emerged and triggered a global pandemic. more than 6600000 people have died from the disease, disrupted economies around the world, but also led to an unprecedented effort to develop safe and effective vaccines in
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record time. while the number of new infections is now dropped significantly from its peak earlier in the year, the world health organization believes 90 percent of the global population now has some form of immunity, either from infections or vaccines, but its director, general warrens. we should not be complacent. we are much closer to being able to say that the emergency phase of the pandemic is over. but we're not there yet. gaps in surveillance testing, sequencing and vaccination are continuing to create the perfect conditions for a new variant of consent to emerge that could cause significant mortality. so the w h o says it's pleased to see china relaxing. it's so called 0 covert policy. it's the last major economy to maintain strict locked downs and mandatory quarantines. and this is triggered unprecedented protests,
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even calls for president changing pick to step down cities including beijing, shanghai in grounds who have now ease some of their restrictions. and the w h o wants to increase vaccinations in developing nations. it's believe 2 thirds of the world people have received at least one dose. but that's concentrated in wealthier countries. less than 10 percent of populations and nations like molly malawi, yemen, and haiti have received a single shot. ah, now lets bring in our guest. joining us from geneva, dr. margaret harris is a spokesman for the world health organization in bristol, in the u. k. dr. gabriel scally, a visiting professor of public health at the university of bristol and in new delhi, we have with us dr. rob malik, who's the chairman and founder of the radix hospital in new delhi. thanks for your time with us. on inside story, dr. margaret harrison geneva. so let's look at what the w h o was saying. the chief has said that we are much closer to being able to say that the emergency phase of
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the pandemic is over. but we're not there yet. i just wonder if you can elaborate a little bit on that statement and tell us what this practically means. i'm very glad you had that. they were not there yet, because people really sort of focus on it's nearly over and it's not sadly, we are now going into the 4th year of this pandemic at and, but we're in a much, much better shape. we've got good, thanks. aids we're going. ringback we understand how to treat the illness. we understand how to increasingly live with the virus. but the biggest mistake we could make is to just dismantle what we've achieved and pretended toll over. we've got to keep doing the work doing the testing and really supporting our hospitals right now. that are under threat from other things like the many other spiritual viruses that are also circulating. right. i wonder if you can just clarify
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something for us as well. dr. margaret because the w h o is saying that it estimates that 90 percent of the world population now has some resistance to cobra . but i know that you have said that that's not the case that all countries have 90 percent immunity. so which countries are continents remain still very much valuable? oh, every country, every continent actually i was just looking at the numbers, the vaccination, and we still have countries in every region of the world that have not yet vaccinated. 40 percent of their population. and we have very few countries that ever reached the level of vaccination that we'd want to see. so we still got a lot of work to do to vaccinate populations. the other thing that's very important to understand is yes, many, many people have not been infected by this virus, have got some immunity created by insight. and then ellen gate and dave, many people have been vaccinated, but it, this is
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a particular virus doesn't stimulated long lasting immunity. so you still have to work to ensure that you got the strong immunity in the most vulnerable groups. and that's an area that you just cannot let to take your pedal off the gas on you got to keep on being very vigilant to protect most vulnerable groups. all right, dr. gabriel and the u. k. what do you make of the message that's been sent out by the w h o? i think it's a confusing message talking about 90 percent immunity and the way it's been interpreted to that confusion. as indeed is the phrase that we are learning to live with the virus. i think we should be learning to live without the virus. what we do have are some good vaccines which give some immunity for some time. but it's not the immunity phase. so her time, even with the latest vaccine, which is the best we've got so far, really good messenger on
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a virus vaccine. it said significantly, which is why countries are having to give regular boosters. so it's a dangerous message to say that we're nearly through some imaginary phase. there aren't as many ambulance sirens at the moment, but there are still large numbers of deaths. i sit in the u. k, where there are hundreds of deaths every week attributed to colbert 19 peers on the death certificate in the us 300 deaths a week, even even in countries of good immunization records, we still have a problem. i, my big point is that what we're not concentrating on is doing what we need to do to live without the virus. we need to be improving ventilation in all our places in schools, in offices, in social settings, etc. so that we treat this like the respiratory disease, it is and we avoid all right, dr. margaret, i'll come back to you in a moment and allow you a chance to respond to dr. gabriel,
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who says the message is confusing, but let me just bring in doctor robin from new delhi to get his take on what the w . busy has been saying, and what do you think of the message? a look at w a chill, our last the 90 percent of the word population has got some kind of humidity. now that, that just some kind of community does not that 90 percent of them are new. so they did some kind of community might this is that maybe to be 90 percent of people of some kind of community. but if we see long term, because the immunity after vaccination also means off after some period of time. so how many will be immune after 6 months from now, or 9 months from now? that is also a question. now having said that, you have come all of this kind of an extraordinary and then good got those topic situation, but we need to be extremely ridgeland. now, under the backdrop of fact that us, they have witnessed,
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almost. busy $73.00 total cases in last 24 hours then you get witness almost $26000.00 cases. so we are not off the hook and the past also we have the forecasting. ready that seems for my d. s h is that we need to be extremely cautious about this monster. let's tell dr. lynch. right. tell us what you've seen in india because back in march to w. h o also said this to help and the emergency, the w h o calls on countries to continue or increased virus surveillance capabilities. would you say that an india and from what you've seen, the surveillance capabilities have, have increased or waned recently. loop in india, we are doing several activities to keep what things have happened. we have vaccinated almost 2200000000. those is vac. seems have been given because incredible. in last, before us also we have tested some better on to let cars and people. although we
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have only $243.00 cases, but in india also, we need to be extremely eligible. the situation seemed to be interest structure of over him. so we need to be extra the land in, in the old. so because in past also we have learned that we have followed the footsteps of the western countries. so the cases can increase and we need to be extremely cautious and give full specially. but if we can guess the moment we detect the case, we should, you know, isolate the anti go stop the spread of the white us because it can come in and be also maybe right, know position, but the model it can, it can, you know, straight. ok, dr. margaret, i bring you in here because dr. gabriel moments ago was saying that we're not doing enough work to learn to live without the virus and pointing out that the message from w h o, as you heard is confusing. how do you respond to that? well, i'm very glad we're having this discussion because if the message is confusing,
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it certainly is important that we clarify. in fact, i agree with everything he said, especially about i like this learning til with out it to do everything we can not just to prevent could be causing problems. but the other respiratory infections that we have been far too willing to accept each winter. and indeed, really paying attention to ventilation, really paying attention to how we can protect ourselves and conditions when we're crowded together when there are a lot of research viruses circulating, this is absolutely critical of this. this has not been taken up with the energy and the commitment that it must be taken up with. so i'm really glad that the doctor gabriel is, is emphasizing that. and i would also like to say again as, as speaker robbie mentioned, we really need to take step up the surveillance testing sequencing in vaccination. they're a big, big gaps and we are very concerned. and this was very much part of the director
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general message yesterday was very concerned that these things will create because it conditions for a new variant of concern. so when you need to take it, i just think of clarity. dr. margaret, are you talking about the w h o or are you saying it is up to the individual countries to do so? it's up to the world all countries. so we have seen many countries dismantle their surveillance, not doing the testing, and i'm not talking about making everybody do tests all the time. but when somebody ill comes in doing the p. c and sending it to the sequencing so that we as collaboratively the world. and of course we w h o coordinate. a lot of this work can track what's happening with the variance. we now have 500 sons and daughters of own require circulating and any one of them could cause major major problems. but we'll only know that if the testing and seek thing has been done. right, dr. gabriel. so what does this mean?
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the w h on dr. margaret is saying that this diminishing vigilance could, could leave the door open to new variance. what do you think this means in terms of countries like the u. k, where you are in terms of adjusting their strategies going forward? well, i think surveillance is absolutely crucial. we need to know about new variance emerging variance as quickly as we can so that they can the properly studied. and we've been very fortunate, i think, in recent months that we haven't seen any of the virus take any big leaps forward, either in terms of transmitter ability or indeed and in terms of the effects it produces. but that doesn't mean it can't happen at any time. of course, the only way of really reducing the risk is to reduce the amount of cova that is being transmitted in countries. and that means continuing to support vaccination programs across the world. but also doing the prevention. we do it, we need to, we need a mixed policy. pvc policy,
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we need prevention and not in things like better ventilation. and it is things like dr. harris mentioned about perhaps wearing masks and very crowded situation. it is about boxing issue getting those levels up. and one of the characteristics of i rushed vaccination program, which is what we've done. the world is rushed to the box and it is that often people get left aside. and i know from looking at the figures in several countries that there is big, socio demographic differences either in terms of the, the uptake between population groups between age groups, stream social status of people being back to live. so we've got to really produce more rhonda, more complete vaccination programs across the world. and then finally we do have to have the controls. so we do need that surveillance and we do need action if there are really, really dangerous variance emerge as they could. of course to at any time, right,
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this is a bit challenging though, isn't a dr. gabriel because we see that, for example, in many, many countries now testing and sequencing are declining. they aren't testing is expensive. there's no doubt about it, and many countries are feeding the economic after effects of the pandemic and seeking to make savings to reduce testing. and what we need in brown is a more sophisticated approach to doing community surveillance, so that not everyone has to be tested all the time. but we do need to do it. there are systems in place for, for example, the testing of sewage is to see what barriers circulating in local areas that can be done on a mass scale. but we do need that control mechanism in place, and it is a good period for countries around the world to be strengthening their public health systems. there are countries interesting,
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i'm in the u. k. on the you may really dramatic changes to the detriment of its public health system in the last year or so. and that's unfortunate and we're going in the wrong direction. but we should be strengthening, actively strengthening our public health systems across the world in every country where the pick particular emphasis on looking after the. ready people who are most vulnerable, dr. robert, you said that indians are heavily vaccinated or perhaps we're at the height of the co would pandemic where things stand now in india, in terms of in terms of vaccines. oh, i've seen her son. we have done good. we have given 20 to begin is off the back seat even like children, not protected and all the prediction rate is good. but i do agree that we need to address this problem globally because we are all globally connected by one gene. so if i'm willing to do with these, and vaccination is low in certain countries,
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you know, the is not going to respect the national boundaries because people are doing the intermingling with the other country people and is going on. so we need to get wrinkled in order to get that. so speaking to us, to learn every day and one thing which is that you're not going to respect any kind of international martyrs. so we need to vaccinate the ag activity should be there in every country. right country to do that. now dr. robbie. because because at the time and at the height of covert, if anything, the vaccination drive really expose be inequality is an inequities. as dr. gabriel was just saying out of the u. k. yeah, actually, the whole international community should incorporate and help again, see should look forward to this. the countries which are little underprivileged and be under the recognition breed is low, this is low,
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they should send some of the commissioners and supplemental, but they are about as what as it gets done on the going on. but definitely been not that kind of a z, as in the previous months and years. but by and large, we need to be cautious. as a professional, i can tell you that the band makes nobody has to come back. so we need to be a little more cautious and we need to keep a situation. we need to keep an eye on the situation. and before avalanche of patients again come and do their job of the human kind. dr. margaret, the w h o chief earlier this year, i believe it was back in february. he had warned that quote, nero nationalism and vaccine hoarding by some countries have undermined equity and created the ideal conditions for the emergence of the army. kron variance at the time is the situation any different today. the situations improved
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a great deal. by the end of last year, we started to get access to so much supply. we all had more supply than it. the supply outstripped the demand. at one point, we have been able to accelerate enormous se, i think, $12500000000.00 is it's not just us w h, this is codecs, has been able to do this and the 12500000000 until about countries around the world . so an enormous amount of vaccination has gone on that as dr. ivy mention inequitable, we still have to do a great deal of work with some countries that it's not now about supply. it may well be that they simply like the, the funding, the style thing, the infrastructure to get the vaccines to all the people that need them. so we have a specific program working with the countries that have the greatest difficulties to do that. but we do need the international community to keep on supporting that.
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and dr. gabriel, what are the risks or what's at stake of these inequalities? in vaccine access? continue? will mutant strains then continue to emerge? well, we will see there is more rapid spread of anything that may emerge if you have communities where the vaccination rates are low on your preventive measures aren't being taken . and that is a problem in any infectious disease. but with cove it, it spread so quickly and so rapidly, and then that will work its way through into the death tool and, and also we haven't mentioned long cobit and long code. it is such a huge problem, the accumulating numbers of people suffering from long cobra. and inequality in vaccination distribution results in inequality in not in long colbert distribution. and that means more people and more vulnerable communities
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will suffer those from what you've been from, what you've seen when it comes to long cobra. what impact is it having on society? is it you can it's very serious impact and the number of people who are not able to seek employment has increased very substantially since the pandemic. and that is largely due to a long covert under a long waiting times to be seen, a long covert clinics up the government that the health services have set up across the country. but we're still in the early days of learning how to cope with long covert cold with the really dangerous virus and effects all sorts of systems, bodily systems and creates all sorts of problems for people in their futures. and it is affects all ages. even people who haven't suffered badly in the acute phase of the illness can get very serious law ongoing symptoms. so we shouldn't neglect long covered dr. margaret, what is the w h o doing in terms of looking at long cove,
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it in any strategies that are being put forward. but we have a unit that's actually dedicated and working with the experts, including many experts from the u. k. around the world on a exactly this on looking at what it is, what areas of health are affected, and of course, what can be done. but it adds up to gabriel, said people who have not been protected by vaccination are even more at risk. this seems to be quite a lot of work suggesting that that's not being vaccinated could make you more likely to have it. and one of the other things is, again, is just gabriel said it's not the how to be of the acute illness with cozy was that does not determine whether or not you get long covey. so sadly, we've still got people who think it's fine to get coded, it's not find a good covey, because you don't know what the consequences our own record is. so transmissible, it certainly has changed the game, and many people have been infected. but ideally,
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if you're vaccinated where it does seem that this may be giving you some protection from la cove it dr. robbie. and over over in india, i wonder if you can weigh in on this topic of long covert and tell us whether you've seen the impact that a tied on the society in india at this point long. well, they should impact on the human morbidity it is. it is not only in gilbert internationally, because the munition i can tell you people are in even in the are suffering from long. some of them are having headaches, backaches psychiatric problems. then they have what we call it, but in forgetting insomnia, sleep disturbances. and moreover, that they have problems with respect to systems with due to being function systems and long functions so long it is definitely
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a big problem. and i think every country should have all the linux, not because it acts through the model d and ups and be from the, from the official one so long. but it is a big problem and is the big challenge and it is did in yield. so we are even in my hospital, the patients who are coming up for the, for the big, big problems. they got good problems and hard bench traditions and some of them got conduction disorders in the heart so long it is definitely a big challenge. and that is likely to continue because you did the gone. now, what a job over didn't look in less than 2 weeks. but as far as the long board is concerned, it is a connie busy, it's my last for now for that matter, months together. so it is a big public health problem and that needs to be addressed to little. but right now let us come. so we need to put a better all or selves that begin the dish to complete research. we should do
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research on other end the whatever drugs we should do, research on the backseat, that we should also keep at the beginning because this white us can change its genome and then the vaccines can be appealed. ready to these axioms also, so we need to be extremely careful in general. all right, we'll leave it there. thank you so much for joining us. dr. margaret harris. dr. gabriel scally and dr. robbie malik, we thank you for joining us. thanks for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. you can go to our facebook page dot, facebook dot com, forward slash ha, inside story, join the conversation on twitter or handle as adrian. so i story from myself and the whole team here and thanks for watching and bye bye for now. the
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