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ah. an agreement between sedans, military and a coalition of political parties, is a step towards democracy. it's been welcomed internationally, but opposition remains at home. is this really the end of military rule? incidentally, how is this deal different from others that have failed? this is inside story. ah hello and a warm welcome to the program i'm thorough than yea. sedans,

military leaders have signed a new agreement with the coalition of pro democracy parties. it aims to pave the way to civilian rule replacing the generals who seized power in october last year. several countries including the u. s, and welcome this deal. but there is significant opposition in sudan where there have been widespread protests over the past year in which a 120 people have been killed. the resistance committees leading these demonstrations reject the new deal, saying that it's simply restore the partnership between the military and the countries political elite will begin our discussion in a moment. first, still, hepburg morgan reports from cartoon a new deal between for dance, military and political parties. the framework agreement aims to and the political deadlock. it allows for a new transitional government, more than a year after the military deposed the previous one has a rocket. the reality has made us only remove ourselves and all political interests and place the interests of the nation and the people above all. because of that,

we have agreed to sit down and came up with what we're signing today. an agreement on the national issues that provides a correct and strong foundation for nation building. the transitional government will be led by civilians, not the military. a prime minister will be chosen to lead sudan for the 2 year transitional period. a sovereign council will manage at the office of the presidency, and ministers and lawmakers will be appointed. in addition, the agreement calls for review of the 2020 piece accord, signed between that then transitional government and various triple groups. they the military oh group tried to enforce that vision. they failed and they came back to the day. oh no. oh, what our guarantee is. we don't want to the beat. they the same mistakes and that they devastation ah, in sudan because of the political situation. dig economy, the security is our, is our, what is driving all of us?

what's coming to give them a constitution drafting process is also expected to be launched. signatories said the agreement paved the way to resolving to dance political turmoil. however, not all political parties agree. several coalitions have rejected the deal, including those that supported the military taking power in the 1st place. just a few streets away from the finding ceremony, protesters gathered to voice their concerns. security forces use tear gas to disperse the crowds. opponents of the agreement say it won't bring stability. 6 or will she and don't difficult the willing to de la, the political party signing the deal have refused for a long time to negotiate with us and reach deals. we've asked them to postpone the deals so we can reach an agreement and i an out our differences, but they've refused. this agreement comes against the will of the people and will be a device of point well cause i little further discussions are expected between the military and signatories to the agreement. they say there is still time for those

who have rejected the deal to reconsider. heber morgan al jazeera houghton. ah, let's bring in our guests now from khartoum. allah, do you know what mohammed? no good is this. you are a surgeon. you are a member of the sudanese medical consultants and specialist committee. thank you for being with us, hulu. the high year joins us as well. you are a sedan analyst founding director of confluence advisory, a think tank based in khartoum. and from doha is alan boswell, your horn of africa, director at the international crisis group, a warm welcome to all of you. the 1st question today to you l i d, you signed this draft agreement on behalf of this sydney's professional association with the military. do you trust the military to hand over power? okay, so 1st of all, thank you for the invitation or for the interview. all the piece on the mercy for the soul of the martinez sundown foss recovery for the in church and her day dakota

for the last people. ah, no, actually what happened from the militant or throughout the transitional period. and in the 20th shock for better military. cool, i eat like bring down all the living over the expectations of the miller for us would the militant and what happened to his october and afterwards, all that process also bring down much of dead trusts between us so that there is a very big mistrust. actually, you can see that the militant input tobar, they pitied that evolution. but what we have right now is the only way, politically available to regain back the civilian power or the civilian authority. we are not a militant group, we are not a militant opposition. we have no weapon, and we, as a committees are as p,

a and dairy will use and forces. we're not looking for a military coup, hulu again, and the poet back for us. i taught. we stated that there is no military coup afterwards, and this is the only way that we can get back their civilian or sanity on the civilian polar. so there is no other way to go over other than this is not a trust dominion, but it's an agreement, a framework agreement. there would be a final agreements afterwards and accepted that they would shift no authority and their civilian or all government takeover and dominion over the picture to look at picture people pressure, international pressure. and most important that the financial crisis or the financial pressure, which the government and the military government and the military look that right right, are facing after the 4th step, tolbert, all these factors that put them under pressure to accept that civil or civilian role or civilians would come back to head the country hollywood. i think the

central question here at least to start off the conversation is, can the military be trust in your opinion on that? and the short answer is, of course, no. it was the military itself that conducted the cool year ago. and in the year of 13 months since there has been very little evidence that the military has been changing its tune. in fact, what you've seen is consistent efforts by the military to buy time. and this agreement of this deal, which is very opaque and very, very sort of loosely worded in some cases and very, and sort of unambiguous and also a very ambiguous could be seen as just another way of biling. time. we've seen this ins cuz successive ways from almost the same day as the qu at took place when the minute you realize that they had erred in sort of overestimating the level of which the level to which the transitional government of problem is to handle was unpopular i think this time there over estimation is to what extent that the pro

democracy leads are popular, which is not. which doesn't seem to be the case judging by the reaction to the steel al am, if i can bring you into this conversation, do you think from where you're standing? this could be the beginning of the end of military rule incident. well, i think what your to previous panel is that is interesting because on the one hand, you know, there isn't trust in the military. and i think in some ways this agreement doesn't really require trust. and the really can, that's obviously not what it's built off of or it wouldn't exist. but also in some ways it appeared to be the only political pathway for word that wasn't a continued impact. and so i think, i think it's worth keeping in mind just how deep in how deadlock to this critical impasse has been. it's been over years since we've seen a functional government in cartoon. and more than 3 years, basically, since the,

since the revolution that toppled albus year and it's reaching a desperation point, this with a very hard agreement even get to this age. it is too vague on many things that are more negotiations to be done on a very hard deal to implement as well. but i think what we're looking at is basically politics being what's possible, and this is the political opening that was there right now. and it will take a lot of work to try to make this work. hollywood. this is the deal that is on the table. not everybody is signing it. my question would be to those who are not signing it? what's plan be? what's the alternative? if you don't sign this then, then what? well, 1st of all, i think it's a fallacy that this is the best deal that could be gotten. i think had the pro democracy included facets of the nice pro democracy movement from an earlier point. and had this negotiation process been far more,

okay. form far more transparent. i think we would have gotten a better deal on the table. but the reality is that even with, you know, the way that this deal has been brought about and euphoria that we're hearing is expressed by the international community in some, in some quarters. and also by the generals, of course, because they have the most to, to gain of the deal. what we're seeing in the real world really stops now. it's going to be very hard to implement the flowery language in this deal and more important to translated to the much more sort of consequential, final agreement which is meant to be taking place in a months time. which of course is far too ambitious of timeframe. and so really to get that to, to, to, to materialize. especially after looking at the 4 main sticky issues around this transition, which i'll transitional justice security sector from financial accountability. and

what to do about the job a piece agreement as well, of course, appointing a prime minister and appointing the civilians with consensus to populate the commissions and the overall civilian governmental structure. though the very difficult issue, the real world stops found. and given that this, the ideal is not the best as we could have gotten, the pro democracy movement is going to be very crippled and the extent to which it can really remove the generals from power. and most importantly from the economy. you said there's something that intrigues me. you said the people this benefits the most. are the generals, why do you say that? well, for a start, they getting there are receiving a lot of international plaudits from signing this deal. and the 2nd thing is that there's a lot of pressure right now on the f, f c to show that this deal can deliver to show that they are able to address the concerns of both those who supported this deal. and more importantly than many that

did not, there's very little pressure from this deal for the generals to concede any power or any assets. and so for them, they get both international and sort of a praise as well as, of course, a lifting of the burden of governing sedan which has become quite difficult given the economic situation. and that political strife, particularly in the conflict dunn's so this actually relieves them of the burden of governing and shifts that been squarely on, on the shoulders of the pro democracy actors that signed it. by the way you said f f. c, a just for everybody's benefits, that the forces of freedom and change. central council, that is the part of vfc that has actually signed this deal. one of the main pro democracy groups that is in favor of this service agreement with the, with the generals. then we go back to ally dean. what's the next step? now, what are the conversations like with the military on next steps to actually implement this? because, you know, we have to, the, the, the short term horizon is pick

a prime minister, pick a cabinet, get this show on the road and put sudan on a, on a transition in this 2 year path to elections. what are the conversations with the military like at the moment about that? okay, festival. yes. before are like answering this question. one of the important thing that there are any nagging with what hold said. there is of a big picture on the militant that the qu, phil, this is, this is an important fact that we have to admit and all the word admit and all the delays people, or even the could members or the coup de medicine themselves. they admit, i think you heard what general m a d. yes or hon. they said that the coo filled the 25th october. it was the wrong decision. it was clearly said yesterday, by one of the cool, a head. so this is a main factor. dad. the militant is no longer able to take all we're all to run

this country from years as tip toe to go. the next step is that as you said, that if this fc sign is not only devotee by the week i was i not only the of her see if see with all its members and with other members out of there for see there is that it will do some powers, and there is that transition color, we can call them or we call them. so it's not the whole people is dead right now. our next step is like doing this conversation is happening. this meetings will show up with the other are revolutionary forces outside. and if, if see there is don't call me t ah, planning order. i like her dad transition just this conference. oh, well i do not want a job. i want to jump in. you say that the lady that information or you say the next step now is to have conversations with the other group. yes. so that we can so that you can bring everybody on board and then move ahead with a final agreement. so that was the question i was asking you,

what are these conversations? laugh, how do you bring them on board? yeah, bye bye. like this. direct like interview dial conversations and like this, this switch from that we are deciding to do about security, security formation, diarra. and as, as he just as being the organization of the family of the martyrs who decide what type of does this just as they look for how they are going to be performed. what the pos experi that was there, for example, south africa. and they are yawning cheerly, how to do it, how. what about the criminal justice? what about did it reads the booth of justice? all this should be taken aboard that what they want this to be billed or to behind, and that is to say the frame with agreement is not closed. it's open. there much plays for other forces to be there to sign, to have this dialogue about the icons, especially that's for 5 items that are open for the detail to be in the final

agreements. allen, i'd like your thought on this part of the process. now that's happening is these conversations that were described by allied in between the groups that have signed the agreement and the groups that for the moment have not signed this agreement. do not want to agree to this. what choice, what alternative do they have? well, they don't feel very good options, obviously part of the pressure on the civilians to sign this deal was that, you know, resistance was becoming difficult. i also just want to flag that at the moment. this is largely a cartoon deal you know, to dana has a lot of problems are for eastern sudan, blue nile, southern quarter fan, disagreement makes reference to those. but honestly, the people who are assigning these deals are not very representative of those outside groups. and former members of the armed groups to represent some constituencies from that group also are not party to,

this is one of the main groups that needs to be included so. so this agreement is not plug and play. there is still more work to be done and that does speak to your, to your question on the, the, since this is the agreement now the hope would be that there could be a more inclusive, broader process. it is unfortunate that a lot of the of the negotiations took place behind closed doors. this should have been a bit more of an open process. and so hopefully there could be some improvement upon it. and, you know, a wider way of people, both in the capital, but also outside the capital. kennedy kennedy brought in and i think what you know, the degree of success of this deal will depend, i think what happens between now and if they're able to form a government form in the government and how many more of these other groups can actually be brought on board and their concerns and interest brought on board also is that the group that are not currently agreeing to this, the forces of freedom and change democratic coalition. and i, by the way, i am aware that this will be confusing to some of our viewers because you have f,

f, c central council and f, f, c, democratic coalition. so, you know, i just want to flag that, that distinction. but for those groups that are not signatories to the agreement right now, what happens is if they cannot be brought on board, does the process continue towards picking a prime minister and choosing a government moving towards elections even without them? well, the agreement is vague on that in theory, one of the leverage points to try to get these groups be brought on board is that they will be excluded from the future government if they are not brought on board. obviously, there are risks though not to bring them on. the job piece agreement was signed with a number of other groups in 2020 and these are groups that have not been brought on board. and so in theory though, if they're not brought on board they, there are fear that they could play a spoiler role as well. so there's, you know,

there's a bit of a standoff and brinkmann ship going on here. there's also a question of, if the military will actually allow this to be implemented, if some of these other groups, some of whom are more aligned with them, are also not brought on board. the agreement does have a fair amount of ambiguity there and, and honestly, it's not clear and will be up to a lot of politicking. who, why do you think the military changed course? 14 months ago, they carried out a military coup, right. they were sharing power with civilians and they were already on this path towards transition to democracy. and now 14 months later, after having, by the way, killed 120 protesters. they're saying, hey, let's get back on this path. why did they change their minds? well, they changed their minds about the potential of sharing power, again, with the civilians. they haven't changed their minds about the tactics. they used to put down the pro democracy movement which are still ongoing. in fact,

as we speak, there are several sham trial. the protestors accused of killing members of security forces that are still ongoing. and yesterday, as the deal was being final just stopped. there were protests which were met with heavy repression tactics, including tig and live bullets. that's hadn't changed. what does seem to have changed in the past few weeks? is that the back of the regional back as general honish committee in egypt and the u. e. respect, effectively, they seem to have diversified their client base. so no longer are they just backing military actors and sudan, they seem to be backing also civilian actors. we saw the return of the head of the original one of the older parties and sedan, democratic union, this party original block, and his arrival incidents signaled this shift away from merely supporting those in khaki to abroad. the client race,

including civilians. and this really paved the way for this deal to become a lot more concord ties which hadn't been very much the case until then. but as alan noted, there is still a loss of ambiguous areas that need to be sort of worked on. and i think that ambiguity is by design, it allows the general, the lots of the way as to the extent to which they will be conceding both economic and political power. by the way, there's something we've only tangentially mentioned so far. and if the economy, part of the discontent on the streets is about the cost of living, inflation is a worldwide problem. the figures in sudan given indication of how hard it is for people to keep up with rising prices. according to sudan central bureau statistics, headline inflation, average. 359 percent in 2021. that's compared with 100. 63 percent in 20. 20 a. few more numbers cor inflation, that includes volatile items such as food soared to 443 percent in december last year. it has ease somewhat since then, standing at around 103 percent in october,

partly due to the currency stabilizing, but inflation levels still very high compared to many other countries. l. a. d, my question, following up on those numbers would be, how much does the economy feature into everybody's thinking around this that perhaps we need stability because the economy has just tank since the international community pulled subsidies. inflation has skyrocketed and we all need to put an end to this situation if only for the sake of the economy. yeah, as i said, i said before that they're one of the major important fisher on their, on the cool authority is that this financial pressure does financial failure. they actually, they failed to, to run the country financially. there's a very big cued pressure, like on the government, the military government, the military who members on the people, they increase the price of the fuel for $4.00 times

a day cuz the tax is so much like more than 100 percent. so i, there is a lot of strikes in between the doctors between the teachers. teachers are right on strike family doctors right, right now in strikes. so the, this is big picture on there, on the military government after the coo and after whole, the old deb the international aid and the donations for the country. they feel they are, they felt robert would budget that i would financial budget as they're the military finance minister. he said that it will depend our, our, on our own income or even their own income is from the pocket of death, of the civilian, of the pocket. of the people, they have no like it there, nor any project to bring them money. there is no internationally didn't all international, the donations, all the investment that we're open in the transitional time on. don't say

government, we're closed or this door schools, an actual community door force, we're down what schools update way it was open to the extreme. are all this pressure they they all this pressure, these pharaohs as fully, it allows that definite failure of the cool. so they can, they would go, no, it even the country that supported them in the beginning. they stop supporting them actually because that they, they, the allies, that the school is a muslim brotherhood. school all the previous regional matters, but she didn't people, they came back to the show. so it was difficult for these countries that supported the cool and the be a 20 years supporting them. that's one of the big factors that this analytical to failure and the end of the cool and militant decide they didn't agree to bring back the power or the with the civilians. the are, and the patient to do this by we have to give the right moment religion for they

are and the patient there are enforced to do this. all right, well the next chapter remains to be written in sudan. this is still very much a developing story, but i'd like to thank all of you. thank all our guests for helping us understand where sudan is at this particular moment in time. thank you. like the you know, what mom and no good whole of hire an allen boswell and thank you to for washing. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, l 0 dot com. and for further discussion good. our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. the handle at ha, inside story from me, cyril, then. yeah. and the whole team here in doha, like ah,

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