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ah. an agreement between sedans, military and a coalition of political parties, is a step towards democracy. it's been welcomed internationally, but opposition remained at home. is this really the end of military rule? incidentally, how is this deal different from others that have failed? this is inside story. ah hello and a warm welcome to the program i'm thorough than yea. sedans,
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military leaders have signed a new agreement with a coalition of pro democracy parties. it aims to pave the way to civilian rule replacing the generals who seized power in october last year. several countries including the u. s. of welcome this deal, but there is significant opposition incident where there have been widespread protests over the past year in which a 120 people have been killed. the resistance committees leading these demonstrations reject the new deal, saying that it's simply restore the partnership between the military and the country's political elite will begin our discussion in a moment. first, still, hepburg morgan reports from cartoon a new deal between sedans, military and political parties. the framework agreement aims to and the political deadlock. it allows for a new transitional government, more than a year after the military deposed the previous one has well, the reality has made us all remove ourselves and all political interests and place
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the interests of the nation and the people above all. because of that, we have agreed to sit down and came up with what we're signing today. an agreement on the national issues that provides a correct and strong foundation for nation building. the transitional government will be led by civilians, not the military. a prime minister will be chosen to lead sudan for the 2 year transitional period. a sovereign council will manage at the office of the presidency, and ministers and lawmakers will be appointed. in addition, the agreement calls for review of the 2020 piece accord signed between but then transitional government and various triple groups. they the military. oh, prior to him, what is that vision? they failed and they came back to the daily. no. our, our guarantee is we don't want to the beat, they the same mistakes, and that day, the bus station, or in sudan misery, the political situation, dig economy, the security is our, is our,
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what is driving all of us was coming together. a constitution drafting process is also expected to be launched. signature received the agreement paved the way to resolving to dance political turmoil. however, not all political parties agree. several coalitions have rejected the deal, including those that supported the military taking power in the 1st place. just a few streets away from the finding ceremony. protesters gathered to voice their concerns. security forces use tear gas to disperse the crowds. opponents of the agreement say it won't bring stability, or she don't difficult the religion to love the political party. signing the deal have refused for a long time to negotiate with us and reach deals. we've asked them to postpone the deals so we can reach an agreement, an iron out our differences, but they've refused. this agreement comes against the will of the people and will be a divisive point. well, cause i little further discussions are expected between the military and signatories to the agreement. they say there is still time for those who have
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rejected the deal to reconsider him. morgan al jazeera horton. ah, let's bring in our guests now from khartoum. allah, deano wad. mom had no good. jo, is this, you are a surgeon. you are a member of the sudanese medical consultants and specialists committee. thank you for being with us, hulu. to hire joins us as well. you are a sedan analyst founding director of confluence advisory, a think tank based in khartoum. and from doha is alan boswell. you are a horn of africa, director of the international crisis group, a warm welcome to all of you. the 1st question to day to you l i d, you signed this draft agreement on behalf of this sydney's professional association with the military. do you trust the military to hand over power? okay, so 1st of all, thank you for the invitation or for the interview. all the piece on the mercy for the soul of the martinez sundown foss recovery for the in church and her day dakota
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for the last people. ah, no, actually what happened from the militant throughout the transitional period and in the 25th october military. cool. a it like being down all the living over the expectations of the miller for us with the militant and what's happening but his october and afterwards, all that process also bring down much of their trusts between us. so this, there is a very big mistrust. actually, you can see that the militant input of tobar, they pitied that evolution. but what we have right now is the only way, politically available to regain back the civilian power or the civilian authority. we are not a militant group, we are not a militant opposition. we have no weapon, and we as a committees or s p a and data will use of forces. we're not looking for
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a military cool pool again or the poet bad for us at all. we stated that there is no military coup afterwards, and this is the only way that we can get back their civilian or sanity under civilian police. so there is no other way to go over other than this is not i trust in the milton, but it's an agreement, a framework agreement. there will be our final agreements afterwards and accepted that they will shift no authority and their civilian or all government takeover and dominion over the picture to look at better people pressure, international pressure. and most important that the financial crisis or the financial pressure which the government and the military government and the military route that right right, are facing often with their tolbert. all these factors that put them under pressure to accept that civil or civilian role or civilians would come back to head the
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country hood. i think the central question here at least to start off the conversation is, can the military be trust in your opinion on that? and the short answer is, of course, no. it was the military itself that conducted the cool year ago. and in the year, 13 months since there has been very little evidence that the military has been changing its tune. in fact, what we've seen is consistent efforts by the military to buy time. and this agreement of this deal, which is very opaque and very, very sorts of loosely worded in some cases and very, and sort of unambiguous. also a very ambiguous could be seen as just another way of biling time. we've seen this in school successive ways from almost the same day as the qu took place when the minutes you realize that they had erred in sort of overestimating the level of which the level to which the transitional government of problem is to handle was unpopular. i think this time there over estimation is to what extent that the pro
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democracy leads are popular, which is not. and which doesn't seem to be the case, judging by the reaction to the steel al am, if i can bring you into this conversation, do you think from where you're standing? this could be the beginning of the end of military rule incident. well, i think what your to previous panel is that is interesting because on the one hand, you know, there isn't trust in the military. and i think in some ways this agreement doesn't really require trust in the military. that's obviously not what it's built off of or it wouldn't exist. but also in some ways it appeared to be the only political pathway for word that wasn't a continued impact. and so i think, i think it's worth keeping in mind just how deep in how deadlock this political impasse has been. it's been over years since we've seen a functional government in cartoon. and more than 3 years, basically, since the,
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since the revolution that toppled albus year and it's reaching a desperation point, this was a very hard agreement. even get to this age. it is too vague on many things that are more negotiations to be done on be a very hard deal to implement as well. but i think what we're looking at is basically politics being what's possible. and this is the political opening that was there right now. and it will take a lot of work to try to make this work. hollywood. this is the deal that is on the table. not everybody is signing it. my question would be to those who are not signing it? what's plan be? what's the alternative? if you don't sign this then, then what? well, 1st of all, i think it's a fallacy that this is the best deal that could be gotten. i think had the pro democracy included facets of the news pro democracy movement from an earlier point. and had this negotiation process been far more,
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okay. form far more transparent. i think we would have gotten a better deal on the table. but the reality is that even with, you know, the way that this deal has been brought about and euphoria that we're hearing is expressed by the international community in some, in some quarters. and also by the general the course because they have the most to, to gain after this deal. what we're seeing in the real work really starts now is going to be very hard to implement the flowery language in this deal. and more importantly translated to the much more sort of consequential, final agreement which is meant to be taking place in a months time, which of course is far too ambitious timeframe. and so really to get that to, to materialize. especially after looking at the 4 main sticky issues around this transition, which are transitional justice, security sector from financial accountability. and what to do about that you the
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piece agreement as well. of course, appointing a prime minister and appointing the civilians with consensus to populate the commissions and the overall civilian governmental structure. those are very difficult issues. the real world stops now and given that this, the ideal is not the best as we could have gotten, the pro democracy movement is going to be very crippled and the extent to which it can really remove the generals from power and most importantly from the economy you said there's something that intrigues me. you said the people this benefits the most. are the generals, why do you say that? well, for a start, they getting there are receiving a lot of international plaudits from signing this deal. and the 2nd thing is that there's a lot of pressure right now on the f, f c to show that this deal can deliver to show that they are able to address the concerns of both those who supported this deal. and more importantly than many
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that did not, there's very little pressure from this deal for the generals to concede any power or any assets. and so for them, they get both international and sort of a praise as well as, of course, a lifting of the burden of governing sedan which has become quite difficult given the economic situation and that political strife, particularly in the conflict zones. so this actually relieves them of the burden of governing and shifts that been squarely on, on the shoulders of the pro democracy actors that signed it. by the way you said f f c a just for everybody's benefits, that the forces of freedom and change. central council, that is the part of vfc that has actually signed this deal. one of the main pro democracy groups that is in favor of this sir, this agreement with the, with the generals. then we go back to ally dean. what's the next step? now, what are the conversations like with the military on next steps to actually implement this? because, you know, we have to, the, the, the short term horizon is pick
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a prime minister, pick a cabinet, get this show on the road and put sudan on a, on a transition in this 2 year path to elections. one of the conversations with the military, like at the moment about that. ok, 1st of all yes, before our like answer this question. one of the important thing that there are any knocking which what holds said, there is of a big picture on the militant that the qu, phil, this is, this is an important fact that we have to admit and all the word admit and all the today's people or even the could members or the could the medicine themselves, they admit, i think your heard what general mit yes or hon. they said that the qu filled the 20th doctor was the wrong decision. it was clearly said yesterday by one of the cool a head. so this is a main factor dad, the militant is no longer able to take over or to run this country from years as to
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poor to go. the next step is that as you said, that deficit. fc sign is not only differ. see by the week i was i not only there for c, f, c with all its members and with other members out of their 50. there is that he will use our powers. and. busy there is that transition power we can call them or we call them. so it's not the whole people is dead right now. and the next step is like doing this conversation is happening this meetings. where shall we the other, are revolutionary forces outside dead if, if see there is then call me t ah, planning order. i like that transition just this conference. oh, well, i do not want a job. i want to jump in. you say that the formation or you say the next step now is to have conversations with the other group. yes. so that we can so that you can bring everybody on board and then move ahead with a final agreement. so that was the question i was asking you,
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what are these conversations? laugh, how do you bring them on board? yeah, bye bye. like this. direct like interview dial conversations. and like this sir, does switch from that. we are deciding to do about security sector, the formation diarra, and does he justice, being the organizational of the family of the martinez to decide what type of does this just as they look for how they are going to be performed? what the past experience that was there for them, south africa, and they are yawning cheerly. how to do it. how about the criminal justice? what about it includes the booth of justice. all this should be taken aboard that what they want this to be dealt or to behind. and that is to say at the framework agreement is not closed, it's open, they're much plays for other forces to be there to sign, to have this dialogue about the icons, especially that's 5 items that are open for the detail to be in the final
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agreements. allen, i'd like your thought on this part of the process. now that's happening is these conversations that were described by allied in between the groups that have signed the agreement and the groups that for the moment have not signed this agreement. do not wanna agree to this. what choice, what alternative do they have? well, they don't feel very good options. obviously part of the pressure on the civilians to sign this deal was that, you know, resistance was becoming difficult. i also just want to flag that at the moment. this is large, the cartoon deal, you know, to dan has a lot of problems are for eastern sudan, blue nile, southern quarter fan, disagreement makes reference to those. but honestly, the people who are assigning these deals are not very representative of those outside groups and former members of the armed groups to represent some constituencies from that group. also are not party to,
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this is one of the main groups that needs to be included. so, so this agreement is not plug and play. there is still more work to be done and that does speak to your, to your question on the, the, since this is the agreement. now the hope would be that there could be a more inclusive, broader process. it is unfortunate that a lot of the of the negotiations took place behind closed doors. this should have been a bit more of an open process. and so hopefully there could be some improvement upon it. and, you know, a wider way of people, both in the capital, but also outside the capital. kennedy kennedy brought in and i think what, you know, the degree of success to this deal will depend, i think, what happens between now and if they're able to form a government form in the government and how many more of these other groups can actually be brought on board and their concerns and interest brought on board. also the group that are not currently agreeing to this, the forces of freedom and change democratic coalition. and i, by the way, i'm aware that this will be confusing to some of our viewers because you have f, f,
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c central council and f, f, c, democratic coalition. so, you know, i just want to flag that, that distinction. but for those groups that are not signatories to the agreement right now, what happens is if they cannot be brought on board, does the process continue towards picking a prime minister and choosing a government moving towards elections even without them? well, the agreement is vague on that in theory, one of the leverage points to try to get these groups be brought on board is that they will be excluded from the future government if they are not brought on board. obviously, there are risks so not to bring them on. the human peace agreement was signed with a number of groups in 2020 and these are groups that have not been brought on board . and so in theory though, if they're not brought on board they, there are fear that they could play a spoiler role as well. so there's, you know,
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there's a bit of a standoff and brinkmann ship going on here. there's also a question of, if the military will actually allow this to be implemented, if some of these other groups, some of whom are more aligned with them, are also not brought on board. the agreement does have a fair amount of ambiguity there and, and honestly, it's not clear and will be up to a lot of politicking. who, why do you think the military changed course? 14 months ago, they carried out a military coup, right. they were sharing power with civilians and they were already on this path towards transition to democracy. and now 14 months later, after having, by the way, killed a 120 protesters. they're saying, hey, let's get back on this path. why did they change their minds? well, they changed their minds about the potential of sharing power, again, with the civilians. they haven't changed their minds about the tactics they used to put down the pro democracy movement, which is still ongoing. in fact, as we speak,
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there are several sham trials. the protesters accused of killing members of security forces that are still ongoing. and yesterday, as the deal will be found just after there were protests which were met with heavy repression tactics, including tig and live bullets that hadn't changed. what does seem to have changed in the past few weeks? is that the back of the regional back as general per honish committee in egypt and the u. e. respect, effectively, they seem to have diversified their client base. so no longer are they just backing military active and sudan, they seem to be backing also civilian actors. we saw the return of the head of the original one of the older parties and sedan, democratic union as part of original block. and he's a rival incident signalled this shift away from merely supporting those in khaki to
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a broader client base including civilian. and this really paved the way for this deal to become a lot more concrete ties, which hadn't been very much the case until then. but as alan noted, there's still lots of ambiguous errors that need to be sort of worked on. and i think that ambiguity is by design. it allows the general, the lots of leeway as to the extent to which they will be conceding both economic and political power. by the way, there's something we've only tangentially mentioned so far and if the economy, part of the discontent on the streets is about the cost of living, inflation is a worldwide problem. the figures in sudan given indication of how hard it is for people to keep up with rising prices. according to sedan central bureau statistics . headline inflation, average. 359 percent in 2021. that's compared with 100. 63 percent in 20. 20 a. few more numbers cor inflation, that includes volatile items such as food stored to 443 percent in december last year. it has somewhat since then standing at around 103 percent in october,
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partly due to the currency stabilizing, but inflation levels still very high compared to many other countries. l. a. d, my question, following up on those numbers would be, how much does the economy feature into everybody's thinking around this that perhaps we need stability because the economy has just tank since the international community pulled subsidies. inflation has skyrocketed and we all need to put an end to this situation if only for the sake of the economy. yeah, as i said, i stated before that they're one of the major important pressure on their, on the cool authority is that this financial pressure or the financial failure, they actually, they failed to, to run the country financial. there's a very big q pressure, like on the government, the military government community who members on the people, they keep the price of the fuel for 4 times
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a day. is the taxes so much like more than 100 percent. so i, there is a lot of strikes or between their doctors, between the teachers. teachers are right on strike family doctors, right, or 1000 strikes. so the, this is big picture on their, on the military government after the pool. and after whole, the old deb there, they are the international aid and the donations for the country. they feel they are, they felt rather would budget that would financial budget as their the military finance minister. he said that he will depend our, our, on our own income, or even their own income is from the pocket of death, of the civilian, of the pocket of the people. they have no like their, nor any project to bring their money. there is no internationally debt, annoying to nice on the donations. all the investment that we're open in the transitional time and tonisha government, we're closed,
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or these doors cause an actual community door for sudan was cause update way was open to the extreme. are all this pressure they be they all the special this virus as fully it allows that definite failure of the cool. so they can, they will go, no, it even the country that supported them in the beginning. they stop supporting them actually because that they, they, the allies, that the school is a muslim brotherhood. school all the previous regional matters, but she didn't people, they came back to the show. so it was a difficult for these countries that supported the cool and the be a 20 year supporting them. that's one of the big factors that put this analytical to failure and the end of the coo and militant decide they did. they didn't agree to bring back the power of attorney that civilians they are under pressure to do this by. we have to give the right nomenclature for the r and the
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bishop there are in force to do this. all right, well the next chapter remains to be written in sudan. this is still very much a developing story, but i'd like to thank all of you. thank all our guests for helping us understand where sudan is at this particular moment in time. thank you. like the you know, what mom had no good. hello, hire an allen boswell and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, l 0 dot com. and for further discussion got our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter, the handle at ha, inside story from me several than you and the whole team here in doha, like ah
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