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with messy and the way he's been playing in this tournament, he just needs a couple of moments of magic to really make things turn around against. it does say that maybe aren't the best as a as individual names, but collectively they show that they are motivated to be able to make their, their coach very proud, but also very motivate to get really deep into this tournament. now brazil are the favorites of so many people that live here in katara by do you think croatia can cause an upset? me crazy can cause an upset against any team. but this is probably one of the biggest challenges are going to have if you date back to the world cup final in 2018. as a matter of fact, against france, they haven't seen a team as deep as talented as motivated, but also in think with what they look to do and what they need to do on the picture to me when you start seeing brazil. yeah, they are going to have a hard time against croatia, so that's very competitive. that's always looking to get the results necessary and also do whatever it takes to do so. ok, and what's your prediction for the 1st semi final line up? oh, you got me for the 1st one, it would be brazil, croatia,
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i think brazil will get through. now as far as the, as far as the netherlands and argentina. epic, argentina. ok hurry. thanks so much. one. well, after 2 rest phase, that this is how friday's action look. agitation city is the venue for the opening quarter, final between croatia and brazil, that's at 1500 gmc added, followed at 900100 g m t by the netherlands. an argentine from li sales stadium, so plenty to look forward to hearing tar and our team will have it all covered right here on al jazeera. the me talk a quick check at the top stories here on out to 0. russia has fried the basketball player, brittany griner, in a high level prison, a swap with the united states. she was exchanged for notorious armed dealer, victor boot, dina, blah,
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t's been sworn in as peruse in dream. lead off to congress impeach president, pedal castillo. he was arrested just hours after saying he would dissolve congress by presidential decree and move the country's constitutional court called a coo follow up. is the 1st female president of peru. more arrested raids are expected in germany in connection with the far right plot to overthrow its government. police raided a 130 sites across the country. on wednesday, the nigerian army has been accused of running a secret illegal abortion program among the victims of arm groups. reuters reports at least 10000 pregnancies have been terminated in the countries northeast since 2013. the report says many of the women and girls had been kidnapped and raped by members of our groups and later, forced to have an abortion by the army. the nigerian military denies the program existed. so those are the headlines. the news continues. he on al jazeera, after inside story station events watching bye for now.
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ah, german police have disrupted a fall right plots to seize power. they arrest the dozens of people on wednesday, that as whiteman county is when will vote and even how it and some you states, are we seeing a border shift to the rice in european politics? this is inside story. ah. are there and welcome to the program. i'm just off the okay. now police unintelligence services in germany say they've disrupted a right wing plot to to overthrow the government. they conducted raids across
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a $130.00 sides nationwide arresting what they said were ringleaders, including a 71 year old prince. a retired senior military officer and a judge and former far right m p. prosecutors believed that that group was planning an attack on parliament that will bring in our guests in just a moment. but 1st this report from dominant came in berlin. thursday has been very much about reaction to the events of wednesday. the arrests of those 25 people, the searchers in so many different states in germany. and the very clear sense that something serious had been plans which the authorities say they've thwarted and that is reflected in the news media. certainly in the newspapers here. this is the suit dodged at sites and newspapers saying, security forces for a strike against this. the state of couldn't tie, in other words where the picture of the alleged ringleader only toys being led away by heavily on police officers. same sort of imagery in the thankful to argument at
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sight on. and this time it says a strike against the rights boerger movement or group. all that's important because that's where the attention is focused. this far right grouping that wants to see a return to the imperial germany that govern this country. prior to the end of the 1st world war, the interesting thing being other questions. how could some of these people in this alleged plot reach such positions in society as a former member of that parliament? someone who was in that parliament representing constituents until last year and is now accused or suspected of having plotted to overthrow it. so many questions being asked doner kane for inside story in berlin. i want to take a quick look now at where far i parties have made gains across europe. italy's liter georgia, maloney became prime minister there after september's election, leading the most right to win government since mussolini. the german far right party, the a if did badly in elections in may,
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but still has about 20 percent support in the east frances far rice increased its number of m. p. 's nearly tenfold after jane's legislative elections becoming the main opposition that poland nationalist law and justice party has been in government since 2015 with some of its writing policies leading to disputes with the you and sanctions. and hungary is a right wing, prime minister, victor, or then won his 4th election in april. while the far right sweden, democrats hold the balance of power there with a minority coalition government dependent on their support. ah, oh, let's not bringing our guests in berlin. we have been aris use the founder and editor in chief of benny and tele news and rome. we have eleanor a police, she's the head of analysis of the centers for european policy network and, and north hampton. you came pull jackson, a professor in the history of radicalism and extremism at the university of north hampton, and also the author of pride in prejudice. understanding britain's extreme rights.
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welcome, teach me. thank you for joining us on the inside story. then i'm going to start with you and berlin, the rest of a former member of the buddhist dog and a member of the a if d. and that must be sending shock waves through germany. just how fringe is the group that we're talking about. it's pretty french and of course everyone's talking about this. it came out of left field. that was the last thing you expected somewhere is organized democratic. germany is a, could a tar by a former prince, or indeed a rupert, however, it's a pretty french group and the police, when they're counting on looking at it, saying that they were actually extremely disorganized. that the plans they had with not realistic. and that this really wasn't going to go anywhere when the chances of success were nearly 0. nevertheless, it sort of represents the on the turn here, i'm in the groups of people in the iceberg. it's an organization which has been
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loving for a long time and it says that germany should have sovereignty back. that is, go back to a monarchy. and the leader of this group says that he was intending to come back as some sort of ruler in a moment. can monarchy says and take gemini back to its former glory, went in pre pre war when it was about japan, spanish season, a senior and powerful country in europe. and there's some sympathy with that. but really, at the end of the day, i think most people are considering the students to be a bunch of fringed extreme mattress. so, well, the group i believe was also influenced by what's been happening in the u. s. the rise of q and on the attack on the capital. eleanor let me ask you how have events across the atlantic affected or influenced groups for rice and extremist groups in europe? have they been emboldened perhaps? well, i think you know, radically in europe, especially right when bra,
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because europe is, is on the street. it is, well, it is related somehow to, you know, what, what happened in the us. that reasons and history. i will say that you is not related to it sort of my content of this content within, you know, the economic governance. and i think, you know, he's also a method of sovereignty. you know, many european member countries people are asking the sovereignty back against you or against, you know, they, to political parties. so it has, you know, some connections on the path. well this in particular was a known group. and i know many of the members have been quite open about their beliefs and also how they themselves, radicalized many on social media portals. i believe the pandemic has created plenty of time for that. so poor, let me ask you, you work on radicalization. would this have not been possible with the technological shifts that we've seen?
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well, i think that's an interesting question. i mean, certainly, technology is pretty open to think about the way all right. space operates today. but also this is a group that's got to bring in a kind of a longer sense of tradition and also other factors of technology. i think, to think about not least of the ways in which that's changed. our space is like a driven by conspiracy theories as wow, i think as a kind of a cluster, things are important to think about. yeah, you mentioned me is there is that there is a lot of the around some kind of shadow power structure. secretly controlling government and then how come in conspiracy theories when it comes to radicalize in people across europe? very common. but a lot of these theories, i think justifications for you know, groups have predisposed a position to, to the status quo. the way things are and symptomatic of like there are some
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serious problems and some very large changes that have been going on. and i think a lot of these extreme groups are reactions to things like migrants we have. i mean, here in germany we had in the ninety's about 8000000 russians arrive and then maurice and these are the syria. we had a 1000000 syrians arrive and of course is allows turkish population has been here for a long time. and very recently, another 300000 training and civil rights. and so that all creates a background whereby the, the germans, at some point, some of them are asking like, what are these foreigners doing here and are very comfortable and, and we're spending money on them giving housing to them where we're giving them support. and it's that the populace by on and the conspiracy theories. i mean, if you, if you look at the agenda of 113, talking about the 70, the german of germany has been destroyed. and that's what they want to go back to. it's a sort of return to germany for the germans and the conspiracy series then is to
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just get into the details of how do we get here. and so in hundreds of those cases, talking about states and that, so you know, international forces that are imposing foreign companies on here to make profit. or it may be the focus on things like the migration. and you've also got economic inequality here, which is so eating away and people feel like they're being done down and the other people taking advantage of them. and they come up with theories in order to explain how that works. so, well, this is like a good time to take a bit of a step back from radical groups per, per se, and, and look at political parties because we have seen a broad shift towards the far right across a number of countries in europe. and i'm curious because you mentioned the white populace, there been a lot of these are described as far right? popular scripts and, and i want to spend a moment on the idea of populism. so it derives from this belief that there is a rift between the people and then some kind of elite who are processing against it . and, and then the populist leaders themselves are the defenders of the masses. pull for
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me that sounds like it's built on fair. yeah, i mean i think that kind of description of population that is really interesting. i mean, one thing to think about is that that part of the pocket as can be found in all forms of fascism as well. which proposed similar ideas that the, the mainstream political systems prompt, and that they need to be replaced by something different are the main differences with today's populists is that they operate within the rules of the game, but in order radicalized why they don't try to return democracy but they do push against many aspects of liberalism, so that can be really problematic. and the other thing to think about is the way in which this kind of politics is shifted and become much more normal over the past 20 years or so. when job or even had went presidential campaign, the early 2 thousands, this was internationally reported as something very strange,
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very unusual. and it was a very, very significant story and event. when maria had much more successful campaigns that off coupled offense, presidential elections, this is become quite normalized situation. so there isn't really talk about being very old or our usual populism. of this type become much more accepted. it was in new york in politics. i was the last 20 years and had a variety from things like breakfast and the u. k. through helping to normalize cultures of islamic phobia and so on. and it's also helps bring in languages that used to be much more the view of the very extreme such as the topic, right, replacement theory, idea that your p and some sort of conspiracy. so this is become much more stop. this is part of the, the mainstream space or politics than it used to be 20 years ago. we'll look at
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some of the drivers that you've. you've mentioned that paul, and just a moment that i feel like it might be worth taking a moment to look at the graphics of the people who are, who are driving the shift. because that gives us a bit of a clue. i was looking at a study that suggests it isn't necessarily deprivation. we've talked a little bit here about the economic situation being a driver, but that it's not necessarily deprivation. that's driving people to vote for far right parties, but more the fear of deprivation, which suggests that they have something to lose. right. elanora, it isn't those who are living in poverty who are voting to these parties. yes, i think if that one of the element that we have to consider is discussed on your by, you know, the working class and the me, the web for and that you know why the reason why it will these are the migrations rhetoric has been raising because people are afraid to know, you know, the website and pray to lose their cultural identity and decide exactly the point where you know those far right parties or movements or things of that using,
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you know, populate satari in the sense that they provide, you know, use the answers to we know much bigger problem is one of the yeah, the reason is also that, is it true that traditional part is unfortunately are unable to provide, you know, active answered in the sense that you should look at many countries. right? wing parties like the sen, sense of right or center. last part is their policies are most of the time, not really different. so, you know, voters, they don't find, you know, they don't see any difference walking, you know, for the party or the other. you know, when he comes to it and do you know some options, you know, in order to change the situation or to provide solution. on the other hand, you know, the emerging got this movement which are much, much walker, which you know, and put them as close to the people who are suffering because, you know, there you go. so yeah, the element that is off of the news is the big,
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big thing is they should say, no, no, my people are the victim of the system. they are then outside from the benefits of, you know, it's not me globalization or, you know, the issue that i don't know. so i mean, just said the, you, you mentioned you touched on a point that i'd like to dig into a little bit because you suggested that this is a new movement. but a number of these parties like frances national rally, for instance, now called the national rally. they've been around for a long time. it said what 50th of us for i believe this here, but they were tiny to begin with and they've gradually gained support. they've notoriously been very vocal about immigration issues. we've talked a little bit about that, but it feels like it goes beyond that to more of a values question, then let me throw this to you. i'm curious because you alluded to something that when you talk about germany and the idea of sovereignty and an old germany, how much has a generational shift contributed to this? i think quite a lot. so, i mean germany, berlin, i mean,
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since i've been living in 2003 has changed when i came, you had speak german or, and it spoke english. and over the last 20 years, it's transformed into an international city and everybody speaks english. and moreover, even if you speak germans, they are you in english because there's so many foreigners here, people are starting to invest into it. and the younger generation is sort of brought into that to some extent. but at the same time, this thing of separate sovereignty is still very strong and there's this tension there. i mean, anyway, we cover eastern and central europe and there is even more noticeable that the, the reaction against it, there's a phone line of values, folk line and to the left of it in traditional you in the west. it's much more liberal. and the idea is a democracy in multi cultural tolerance is prevalent everywhere. however, soon as you go past australia in central europe,
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countries like poland and check the public and hungry. they are based much more on orthodox, traditional set of values. we're hungry for the hungarians, but it's also about family values that they're almost, you know, university and i'm kind of phobic. and so people doing a price of in central europe been done in the balkans even stronger. and this is sort of clash and bass definitely amongst the young people to because they're looking for a new identity. now that you know, there's been these 2 changes and the countries, particularly in central europe, have now grown. they've come out of the transformation. that was the end of the socialist blog, another quite strong. and i think you're saying people are on the kitchen sky in poland, pushing for these, you know, new polar in this new identity within europe as a european, but they're pushing back against the rest of europe. as well, and resisting the values because part of the european union project is about 5
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years and they've taken the money, but they've rejected the values to some extent. and they're selling that to the young people. and the young people buy it because the previous history you socialist history is meaningless. then i just want to follow up on that cultural fault line. and because i know a number of people have defined this whole clash to be against, woke a culture, so to speak, this kind of backlash against that. if we want to turn that, that i know that it feels like there's a, a constituency of people that perhaps feels that they don't really understand the while they're living anymore. so our people now no longer voting on the economy all day. now. voting on cultural divines, i seems to be very much, i mean, as you know, we cover everything up to and including most going beyond. and the further east you go, the stronger the reaction is against the word culture. if you listen to a person said, you know, he ridicules it actually is a rallying point for the russian, a young russians as well behind him. and he says,
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look at the berlin and it's christopher street, gay parade. this is ridiculous. and as there's a lot of sympathy for that view in central eastern europe and then it's about the same thing if not stronger. and i the, the world culture versus the traditional also works. but then again, when the lead is in check or hungry or poems or serbia are sending these ideas to the people that the traditional family orthodox values are very easy. so where is the sort of more work? liberal, multi cultural, multi, gender, denominational cultures. that's much hard to sell, rather, it doesn't make much sense to people there. so it's easy. this is one of the reasons i think is driving people. i or bon, who came in by in hungry, came in as a liberal reformer and is now increasing the further rights in order to solidify his control. i worked very well. well, we saw
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a shift from well center left to the right around brack sets in the u. k. that really became a flash point. that the right and i'm curious pull. we had rhetoric then from bias john from about essentially making britain grace again. if we want to use that phrase, is this about trying to distance itself from the values of the european project as we've been talking about? i think the really interesting question. i mean, you know, some are somebody who kind of use aspects and elements of a populist style of politics with it as well noted on and something that was borrowing. i think it's just about the kind of the previous disappoint as well, around one as well. i think we kind of, as i'm really we need to be careful about kind of taking on those kind of binders between what culture, both of the anti will show to be honest. i think most people don't live in that
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kind of reality. i think doug identified with either kind of a category most people moderated. i have those rise division the fall right on the other hand, really likes to play on that sense. but there's often that that's trying to need simplicity either is for understanding the world. so to relate to break said that will to kind of the binary, around free from a dominating european project. but as i said, those the kind of messages but my tails people, especially in kind of a start pity from social media context and language. but if not just to kind of talk about and describe the far right but also analyze it, challenge it. and i think we need to say that those categories themselves, that simple binders themselves are really actually super problematic. moreover, when you kind of look at why the works of a science is cultured,
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most people don't operate in that kind of sphere. anyway, that is media commentators, if we don't have a problem that in itself is a problem. so moving away from binary is let me ask you eleanor. i'm curious how georgia maloney is now viewed, not only in italy, but also by the e u because her party had its roots in fascism but now it's being described as a post fashion policy. she professed to support for the e. u has the port name there is a normalization of the fall, riots happening within european politics then. well, i don't know if there is a normalization of that. you know, the, you need to lead to be working to be on the side of the west. and in this specific moment, of course, the government has been elected. and at the moment that government is not there between any politics which is against, you know, you or you know, nato or the west not ends thought somehow, you know, you're working with me on the other hand, maloney is playing, you know,
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and it's sort of normal like no map, no my a the sense that she's adopting politics with the train, what she's not making, you know, really dangerous situation. when comes to foreign policy, i think you know, the main aspect of the government, as you know, we didn't eat in the sense that ships raise, you know, the migration rhetorics, and then you know that we need to protect them. and we need to provide for them to do this, but it's mainly of authority in the sense that when he comes to real options, nothing really changed much for the moment. so while i wanted to take a moment to look at what might happen in the future, because we've talked about this being driven by the economy and economic crises, and we know that income inequality is rising. that's been a panoramic, there's a war in ukraine. there's an economic crisis, no end inside the migrant crisis is continuing and that's also been a real flashpoint. presumably then elanora. these parties are going to continue
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making gains. well, yes, it depends on how to dish boxes will be able to reform themselves and you know, provide, you know, more complete answers to the people. i think it was one of the problem is that europe is the north continent and your generation has been seeing, you know, so many, you know, shit in the way of living. you're not konami, cods or whatever. so this is making them those room of people and they matching up any change or losing, you know, their wives for and those are the ones supporting mostly, you know, on to stablish and on his movement. but this doesn't mean that in the future of those pocket with the main power, you know, for the moment since you are living at the moment of shit at national, my kid, the national level. i think, you know, those parking would be put at test. but you know, the shop for them to survive be limited, especially because in the case
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a little bit between the st. additional politics. that biggest part of the a very interesting to see how this whole pays out and also where the european project goes from here. well, thank you to all of our guests been our us elanora polly and paul jackson and thank you to for watching. you can see this program again anytime by visiting our website that's out there a dot com and further discussion do go to our facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash 8 inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter. handle is at a jayden type story for me and so as you pay on the whole team here in the ah
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