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markets to economies and small businesses to understand how it affects our daily lives, economic damage in counting the cost on al jazeera i i found the okay, the story of sarah and your strap martini is a story that takes them on a journey. flynn war in syria looking for safety in germany, and he's both unique and also universal. millions of refugees have gone through desperate janice. but sar unusual experience is now dramatized in a movie on netflix caught the swim. s as take a look. ah

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the sooners. are you sir? i ezra sarah. hi sarah and director sally sally. so wonderful to have you here. thank you so much for joining us. being here on the stream, i am just thinking about the story telling a new, telling your own story user. and sarah, how did that story get out in the 1st place? how did people get to hear what happened to you and your journey? cuz that's often what people ask is, why would you get on a boat that was so dangerous? when people asked that when you hear that being asked, will you tell them? yes or you start? yeah, honestly we left our country when we were, i was 17 and 20 at that point. those war for 5 years already the war started when i was 13. and that was our only choice to

us. it wasn't a different story. there are 1000000 of the refugees that went through the same roots, the how to take those dangerous journeys to get an idea and risk their lives. but as i mentioned before, it was the only way out and we chose to leave because we wanted to escape. war and violence and yeah, after a year only of getting to germany, i got selected to be to go to the olympics of the 1st of a refugee olympic team. and that on that day we got like $300.00 emails for media. and then the story got little bit famous and then we got a request for a book and then we got a request for a movie. and at the time we did refuse that because i wanted to focus on the lympics. and so i wanted to go back and volunteer and help refugees on the island

in greece. and after the lympics we had the conversation again with work in title, and they grabbed our attention. and then when i visited london, and i talked to the producers, i really felt that they wanted to do a great job. they wanted to not just tell a story, but make an impact. and that's exactly why we said yes. do. tell the story and make it a movie. i say me is a film direct to tell you what stood out the why did you have to make that film? so working title contacted me with a screen play that jack thorn had written and i've heard of use for in the news around the time that she was at the olympics. but it wasn't until i read the screen play that i discovered, sarah, i think it was the sister relationship. and the fact that this wasn't just about one hero, but about 2 heroes in my mind. that i really wanted to tell the story. and i found you sir, and sorry,

so inspirational. also they reminded me of me when i was growing up with me and my friends growing up in egypt. and i liked also that they were teenage girls like any young man. busy arab liberal teenage girls, and i thought that was really powerful in terms of sharing this kind of story to remind an audience that refugees can just be ordinary people like you and me. i'm sorry, there's a moment in your journey way. you did something extraordinary where your thinking that you were in crossing from turkey to less force. it started taking water and you made a decision, which is why we're now talking to you. because it was that decision. what you and your sister did that made you very well known around the world? can you tell us, can you take us back if you don't mind to what you decided to do before before we actually need to jump to the decision we we are professional summer and

train live guards somehow, before we left with our plan was never know tweedy hope anyone know or to do anything, but then when we were in the water without, but you couldn't just 3 people behind and, and to be honest, addition decision just given the 2nd there was like 5 in flight decision that it's in the 2nd you have to do it and yeah, if you want to survive, you just have to jump in the water and just do it. and then you know anything, because somehow it was a night, there was not another way that we can make it. and when it comes to the serious situation, you can just, if you go behind and swim by yourself. so i think maybe you don't talk about your sister jumped out the boat and then you swam a long find the boat, the thing you which was taking water. you lighten the load. everybody managed to

get to the coastline of last balls. everybody's manage on that thinking that's not everyone's story, but he managed to do that so. so jumping out the boat said life definitely and it's also very important to highlight that other people's jumped well, we were all helping with each other and yeah, that's, that's the story that we really didn't want to just leave ourself guy in that night. i think no one and i've always believed that they life were over yet. and i think that's that would. that is the story that no one really wanted to give up yet . and just to let go of their lives. and we all get together find a way to say i like and i'm going to play a clip from the film as the so much about swinging the film because your friends are, is that it was a former really gets for. and he had thought is, and he really wanted, he still has to be really great. so as to say, your dad was

a coach and he was determined that you should be not only just national summers but, and impacts them as well as a loaner swimming in this film. i'm gonna show a scene which really is so terrifying and it makes you realize why sarah and yesterday left home, they left home because of things like this that have a look. ah mm

hm. bye valley. so on, you choose yourself watching right now. here's the comment, all has the power to change the perceptions and world views. keep the spirit up folks, the idea of art changing people's minds. tell me more about what you want to do with this film. yeah, i agree. thank you for that comment. i think that what film does so wonderfully that allows moody and to walk in someone else's shoes and to really emphasize with others. and it's to be on a journey with others. and it's, that's what i was really hoping was to humanize the characters in the story of the refugees in the story so that you no longer saw them with other but yesterday,

sorry, could be your sister, your daughter, your cousin, your niece. and i think that makes the story very powerful, is the universality and the ability for people to relate to them and to the of the characters in the film. i think we spoke to marion. marion has a message for you yesterday. and sarah. so he, she is, have a listening and, and tell me what you think. although we're struggles, may look and feel very different. your story makes it clear the result needed to face these challenges is the same. i can't think of any metal or honor that could truly repay you for what you both did to take so many lives. and thank you for inspiring us to continue to choose correct. just jumping, jumping back on on the scene that we saw that you played. that

actually did happen, it is obviously art and it was made in a different way. but it did happen while i had training. and unfortunately, this thing did not happen once or twice when we were in syria, it happened so often, and it became, unfortunately no more. so i did sank sally for so many things as specially this scene and the other scene where one of my favorite scenes was when the girls are dancing and you see the bombing happening in the background. you don't see that anywhere in the news. you see like and around the world like pictures or portrayed a sally mention that always in this great. and those gray are based colors. you don't see the normal life of like syrian teenagers or erotic teenagers. and i think those teens are very, very important that they were in the movie and we are very lucky that directed the

movie in such an authentic way where me inside, i can say, hey, it is 90 percent true. everything that happened. and yeah, i want to say thank you for, for the lovely message and say, you know, in general we're, we're very happy with, with alco, just think about parts the film. but i really enjoyed and it was i have sisters and we have all the time we poke each up, we say things that make you upset and then we how can we love each other? i think the family dynamics and how you stay together and the tensions between you, between how your dad relates to one daughter and how wait. so another daughter that's really important. i think that is why the film resonates so much because it's family trauma. we'll have family drama. i want to bring in natasha. of who's a ph. d candidate at york university. she talked about a scene that stayed with her. let's have

a listen to natasha. i think the scene that really made me hold my breath was when the asylum seekers were in the middle of the mediterranean sea, and they call the coast guard to ask for assistance. but they're told that they cannot intervene because it is not in their policy that was extremely disturbing and gut wrenching to hear, but also witness. despite this, i think the film can promote greater conversations around safe passage for asylum seekers. what i noticed was because 20152016 was a time, went out as an all news networks were covering the refugee crisis a lot. and we would see scenes like this. but when you follow it in a drama, in a, in a movie, it hits differently. why is that sally? well, i think, you know, creatively the entire team was came to make this movie is far away from the images

you normally see on the needs as possible. because you can become a little bit desensitized when you see those images on the news over and over again . and so in a movie, you're able to inhabit a space of memory, of trauma, of hopes and dreams, and nightmares. and everything above water was reality. everything under water with this subjective space where time would slow down low speed up and you would have flashbacks. or you could explore these. busy motional sites and so i think that that was something we really were called up in the movie to johnson, which lenses we chose to film with, for example, you know, choosing the ones that were as far away from the news, cumberland and as possible. the time maitland, i had lots of imperfection to give you a. busy motive feeling and you know, relationship to the images that you see. and also like allowing the camera to be

a character on the journey with everybody. you know, the choice of where to place the camera so that you really feel you are in danger with people you feel you seeing exactly what the thing you're feeling, the intimacy of the system together. and i'll never forget. i mean, i'm so happy to have, sorry on this, because i think that she should tell what it was like the 1st time we shared the movie with you guys in berlin and we came, we were so scared to move us. i think it's highest mostly to what we're talking about with this to way go ahead. no, definitely. i was nervous. yeah. so much to see stories coming together around. i think it's have to do with i get really, i don't thing ever. i was imagining that my story or our story and everything that we grew up on and that's going to be on tv today. and that it could be actually

like, you can not really believe that someone who like me i, i know sally one now, but when we 1st met like if it's not a family member, you don't believe that someone would capture this intimacy between you or this. we authentic relationship, but then what i saw them will be the 1st time i was i was blown away with that i was the to change all the time when i was in my seat and maternity we were trying to hold moving. oh right. so, so that a comment. yeah, i think is what made, you know, i would like to the because well, we're trying to minutes or the movie. i remember that we actually have grown with us that day and i was like, you have like this with i don't think i couldn't even breathe like i was just trying to hold. i couldn't and even the 3rd time i watched,

i was still very emotional. i would, i would like to comment on that. i think my name's maja, the comment you said i find it very, very refreshing that you actually highlighted that point in particular. and unfortunately for morgan green since 2016 to way worse than bad, it's not just this phone call. there's push bags. people are being detained for years because they are crossing and people are being pushed back to greet turkey for example. and being came there and it's kind of frustrating to hear that it's not even there's no health anymore. people are being abused in the water for trying to to cross even if it's on the military. and if it's from cherokee degrees or from leave yet. so it's heavy and that's a lot of stuff that right now. no. really talking about no one really,

sharon and i know we're not going to talk about thousands and thousands of people are stuck by the borders and living on the borders since years because they were not allowed to enter or leave. so yeah, i'm happy that highlighted and, but unfortunately it's the, the normal way of how i refuse, i'm interested in europe and it shows me that way as we all know, so many, so many mis stays in the film, stereotypes about what are women alike and, and what they do, their types about syrians and families and refugees and who they are and what they do, so that there's so much it so rich and it's activism, but also drama, and a beautiful film at the same time. some feedback here on twitter, we have an inspirational movie, got to see the dangers, the asylum seekers face to get out of war,

toll countries truly looking forward to the end of the syria war. going to me that the whole new discussion right there. one more piece of feedback from twitter loved it, amazing perspective on the parent face by side am. see, because every day, wonderful story and ending amazing acting as well. i'm just going to mention ladies, because we've got or age is watching. you have to be very careful about curse words . it's a little bit that we have to see for the replay. but if you remember that we've got children watching as well as we discussed things with each other. and i do apologize if you got little ones and you had a code word earlier talking about the amazing acting. i want to go to the 2 actresses who portrayed sour unused era. and in germany at berlin, at the premier. this is what they said about the, excuse me, the toronto, this is what they said about what they hoped the film could do. let's have a listen. let's have a look. we really hope that it would change the mind of

a lot of people because a lot of people have a wrong image of refugees. so we're really hoping that they would reach an audience and they would like change their mind because i know how badly they are. see that are for disease, i know how arms are c, and i know how they portray them in films. i'm really interested to know after this film. really, this is what you were thinking now with. this is the truth. so i'm, i don't want to give too much away because isn't so much in the film. so there's somebody to do the olympics. watch the film on netflix, there's or say something to sar decides to do which i am going to tell you about. and she mentioned earlier, which is that you and all the way to germany on a desperate, perilous journey. and then he decided to do what sarah, to go back to re enroll into. there were few hours during session rescue her and the water and on the shore and every translation for 2 and a half years. when you were doing that walk up something happened. and we

talked about this on algebra, which is the criminalization of humanitarian work. so at the moment you are facing a trial which could end up in you serving 20 years in prison because you were helping refugees. can you tell us where you all right now and then mentally where you. all right, now thinking about that. so basically we are waiting for trial arrest and basically i was arrested back in 2018 together with 2 other of my colleagues and we spend the 3 and a half month and tension we were released on bail. and now we, since then till now we waiting for trial, we supposed to have trial left in from november, but then it was the phone. and then again, now we're waiting for our trial on the 10th of january. hopefully for the

misdemeanors and and we're just waiting to be honest. we create a campaign called him and terry and where we created a petition that people can sign for us. so to help us collect number signatures. so we can, as for the charges to be dropped down, we have a donation main people to support and we're complaining and, and general every time it comes to the court just to explain to the people and provide information that we would be prosecuted for having people by giving water and blankets on the chart. mentally, i would honestly say that since the trial started and since my arrest, i am a pose, my life is on pose. and i was not able to do anything because every time you're trying to get into stuff in your life and that's something you and your child, they comes and new information shows up and new updates and the case. and then it

takes it back to 0 point and values are staying and i will be very happy of this nightmares over basin. i'm going to leave you with one more license and this is interest why she's a syrian american activist. she had a question for you both, which i'm gonna ask you to answer very briefly. but he sweeney patented to the conversation that we've been having to guy he chance to use it and thought out. thank you so much for allowing the world to witness your incredible journey of resilience and courage and hope. it is a true example of when you humanize this narrative of the refugee crisis and refugee journeys, you allow people to really understand the reality. and you break down misconceptions and stereotypes that people have. my question to both of you is given the incredible portrayal in this film and given the people that are watching the film in responding so positively to a what would you tell them to do to take action to continue to support refugees who

are still currently fleeing conflict, and those who have re settled in countries. thank you so much. placing moments of the show thar, what would you say? i would say for people to really come out of their comfort zone and look up more where people are coming from, where what are the reasons why they're feeling and what they're really looking for when the places that they are trying to reach instead of spending more time on judging, believing, and information that has been flying around. people try another without no base or checked into it and contribute with a small amount of time as a volunteering or ask more on young. thank you so much. is your sala nandini? thank you so much, sally. is the film director of the swim is currently showing on netflix. and you

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